Road vs Custom

[Jon L. Obscene]

I'm curently riding a dark blue Yamaha XJ600
http://www.mcsport.dk/YamahaXJ60094h.jpg

I own a silver Yamaha XV1100 Virago
http://www.yamaha-custom-club.com/Mcmodell/model97_98/1088.jpg

My mate has taken my bike to weld up the collector box on the exhaust system, he's very kindly lent me his XJ600 while he does it :)

OMFG what a difference!! :ph34r:
First thing I noticed when I got on the XJ was how light it is, then the height (my seat height is lower than a c70 moped).
When I pulled away I spent about 20 seconds trying to find the foot pegs :lol: my pegs are forward (being a cruiser) so that was quite a laugh.
The whole feel of the XJ is plasticky and cheap, not solid, it's far too high to throw round corners at high speed, by comparison it's gutless, you wind it open and nothing seems to happen much, when you wind mine open it goes.....

Like I said, I'm very greatful for the lone of his bike, very kind of him, but his bike is a piece of shit :lol:

It maybe cos I'm used to an 1100, but a cbr600 has nearly as much torque as mine, people have told me XJ's go like shit off a shovel.......I say.....yeah..sticky shit :rolleyes:

So if there's any bikers about, have you ridden an XJ and what did you think........or ridden an XV for that matter.

Jonno :cool:

[GepperRankins]

customs are stupid

[Santa]

it's soooo beautiful :cry:

http://www.yamaha-custom-club.com/Mcmodell/model97_98/1088.jpg

[Guillaume]

then the height (my seat height is lower than a c70 moped).
Yeah, but that's only cause you've squished the suspension under your enormous weight. :dry:

Is it a recent model? Cause the xj600s I've seen do not seem as "plasticky" as you say.
They still look like shit, mind you.

[GepperRankins]

everybody in the bike world laughs at you jonno.


that's cos you have bad taste. i feel bads for saying this after you spent so much dosh, but i'd rather have a C90. seriously. customs are for bitches and americans, stupid americans, stupid a,merican vitches

[DarthInsinuate]

lol, this should be in the, lol, review section, lol

[Jon L. Obscene]

@Gep....... Yes they are very stupid, that would be why stupid people buy them, cos they are stupid too :)
Altho........I will never get stopped by the old bill on my bike (thats a quote from a traffic cop) where as on a blade you'll get pulled twice weekly ..........besides, everyone has a sports bike round here, their uncomfortable and boring.

@z...... Yeah she is :wub: it's the bike I've always wanted, the only bike I would like more is an Indian 1400 soft tail :)

@Guil... It's a 97 model, it's not plastic, just does'nt feel solid, you know what I mean?
And yeah, XJ's always did look sorta half way between a commutor and racer, 900 diversions with that stupid cobra faring are ugly mofo's.

Jonno :cool:

[GepperRankins]

i';ll fight you, you shit!

[Jon L. Obscene]

everybody in the bike world laughs at you jonno.


that's cos you have bad taste. i feel bads for saying this after you spent so much dosh, but i'd rather have a C90. seriously. customs are for bitches and americans, stupid americans, stupid a,merican vitches

And you have a.....what? 3 speed racer? :lol:
And yes, customs are for posers, you all know I'm a poser so what exactly is your point?
And I'm sorry but "The Bike world" as you put it consists of men on machines, not boys on toys :P

@Darth...... :ohmy: there's a............section?

Jonno :cool:

[DarthInsinuate]

you lol probably lol weren't lol around lol when lol it lol was lol trialed lol

or you might have been, it was while ago, oh lol

[Jon L. Obscene]

Why do you keep typing lol? :huh:
And yes I remember :rolleyes: , you only signed up a couple of months before me :)

Jonno :cool:

[DarthInsinuate]

but you took a holiday, i was thinking it might have been during that time, i don't really pay attention to you. i miss baz :(

[Jon L. Obscene]

You don't pay attention to me? :huh:

But you replied..............so you're a liar :P

Jonno :cool:

[DarthInsinuate]

i don't really pay attention to you. i only read your posts to make sure you're taking the bait

[Jon L. Obscene]

Ah I see, cool :)

At least you read my posts :D

Jonno :cool:

[JPaul]

I think your bike looks cool mate, I'm not a biker meself but I think it looks ace. More individuality than the blah, blah, blah another Japanese racer.

However Cars > Bikes.

[Guillaume]

I think your bike looks cool mate, I'm not a biker meself but I think it looks ace. More individuality than the blah, blah, blah another Japanese racer.

However Cars > Bikes.

Yet lorries > cars.

[Jon L. Obscene]

Thats exactly my thoughts too JP :)

However cars > Bikes..........what? :huh:

Jonno :cool:

[JPaul]

Thats exactly my thoughts too JP :)

However cars > Bikes..........what? :huh:

Jonno :cool:
Oh yes, in every way Cars > Bikes.

[GepperRankins]

Thats exactly my thoughts too JP :)

However cars > Bikes..........what? :huh:

Jonno :cool:
Oh yes, in every way Cars > Bikes.
apart from legal fun :snooty:

[JPaul]

Oh yes, in every way Cars > Bikes.
apart from legal fun :snooty:
Discuss.

[GepperRankins]

you can go fast enough to poo your pants within the speed limit and corners rawk.


in terms of fun... bikes>cars

[Jon L. Obscene]

you can go fast enough to poo your pants within the speed limit and corners rawk.


:huh: You can? :lol:

But yeah, corners are furrrrrrn, especially when you put your pegs down and leave a trail of sparks :01:

Jonno :cool:

[JPaul]

you can go fast enough to poo your pants within the speed limit and corners rawk.


in terms of fun... bikes>cars
So they are more fun because they aren't as safe and they don't corner as well.

To each their own I suppose.

[Jon L. Obscene]

Don't corner as well? that's not correct, a blade will handle better than a mondeo, a ferrari will handle better than a vmax , same as for safety, it's down to the person in control.
Reguardless of what happens, depends on what vehicle you're on, the condition of it and the driver/rider.
I hate that "Bikes are dangerous" crap, cars are dangerous, granted you have more protection in a car, but on the flip side I've never heard of anyone spending 6 hours being cut out of a bike.
Swings and roundabouts mate :)

Jonno :cool:

[GepperRankins]

bikes are more dangerous and i reckon they probably don't corner as well, but it's more fun.


i'm guessing the fact that a car has more tyre area on the ground at all times makes it technically better in corners

[Santa]

cars are space hogs - if everybody dove bikes there would be alot less traffic strawberry jams.
if everybody learnt to fly (without falling) enviromental issues would also be improved

http://www.guydowman.com/travel/vietnam/moped_saigon2.jpg

[JPaul]

Don't corner as well? that's not correct, a blade will handle better than a mondeo, a ferrari will handle better than a vmax , same as for safety, it's down to the person in control.
Reguardless of what happens, depends on what vehicle you're on, the condition of it and the driver/rider.
I hate that "Bikes are dangerous" crap, cars are dangerous, granted you have more protection in a car, but on the flip side I've never heard of anyone spending 6 hours being cut out of a bike.
Swings and roundabouts mate :)

Jonno :cool:
Cars corner better than bikes, for the simple reason they have about 8 times as much traction and a better balance.

A decent car will handle better in corners than a top whack bike, this is a fact.

Bikes have better straight line acceleration because of the power to weight ratio, however there are exceptions.

[JPaul]

i'm guessing the fact that a car has more tyre area on the ground at all times makes it technically better in corners
Not just technically, actually.

They hold the road better and can corner faster.

[GepperRankins]

depends how you define better, actually



cornering on a bike is more fun IMO so i would say bikes are better at cornering.

so technically by numbers cars are better, but bikes are better fun :wacko:

[Santa]

so does your learning curve increase if you are standing on two feet or down on all fours?

[JPaul]

depends how you define better, actually



cornering on a bike is more fun IMO so i would say bikes are better at cornering.

so technically by numbers cars are better, but bikes are better fun :wacko:
If there is a particular reason you object to me agreeing with you I would be interested to hear it.

Or are you just obstreperous with everyone you deal with.

[GepperRankins]

i don't know what you're saying :cry1:

[Jon L. Obscene]

No, Jp you're missing my point, yes top whack cars corner better than top whack bikes generally, but a top whack bike will corner better than an every day car.
Therefor the statement "Cars corner better" is incorrect through generalisation.
Some cars corner better than some bikes, some bikes corner better than some cars.

And to back up geps argument, .......bikes are a hell of a lot more fun :D

Jonno :cool:

@Gep.... :lol: Yeah he does that to me :lol:

[DarthInsinuate]

...I've never heard of anyone spending 6 hours being cut out of a bike...

Jonno :cool:
isn't that because they're being scrapped off the road?

also, i would have thought bkes would handle better than cars, because they're far lighter

[Santa]

remember boys and girls
when going around a corner - slow down as there might be something coming faster the other way

http://www.ethanwiner.com/corner-trap.gif

[JPaul]

No, Jp you're missing my point, yes top whack cars corner better than top whack bikes generally, but a top whack bike will corner better than an every day car.


You're wrong, a decent car will out-corner a top whack bike.

Bikes just aren't very good at cornering, it's inherent in their design. They just feel and look better at it, apparently.

It's one of those things which people take to be true, because it "makes sense" but it isn't.

If your position is that a top of the range bike corners better than a bag of shite car, then I can't really argue with that, but it proves feck all.

[JPaul]

...I've never heard of anyone spending 6 hours being cut out of a bike...

Jonno :cool:

also, i would have thought bkes would handle better than cars, because they're far lighter
That gives them a better power to weight ratio. Handling has to do with traction (rubber on the road) and balance.

Four tyres, flat on the road, are much better than two tyres at a 45 degree angle.

[GepperRankins]

i'm beginning to wonder if the theory that cars corner better is right. bikes can accelerate out quicker and can use a larger turning radius

[JPaul]

i'm beginning to wonder if the theory that cars corner better is right. bikes can accelerate out quicker and can use a larger turning radius
:lol:

[GepperRankins]

yeah hilarious :rolleyes:

[Jon L. Obscene]

You know what bugs me?...........I think I agree :frusty:

I know what I mean but I can't think of how to put it so I'll conceed this one, logically a car will out corner a bike of the same standard.

Dammit.

Still more fun tho :P

Jonno :cool:

[GepperRankins]

seriously though. a bike doesn't have to corner as tight

[Jon L. Obscene]

No thats true, a bike has more room to play with, but I think realistically speaking you have more chance of making a corner in a car if you hit it too fast than on a bike.
Also when wet bikes are a nightmare.

Hate to admit that but it's logically correct, I would like to see a test tho, of a car and bike of equal standings and respect in their respective catagory.

Push the limit with a driver and rider of same skill, hit a 45 degree corner as fast as you can.

Cool :01:

Jonno :cool:

[GepperRankins]

too many variables :snooty:


saying a car handles better on corners is like saying you know what christians believe in, or something

[Santa]

the only thing which stops me from getting a bike is the need to transport stuff
how come they never made an attachment with wheels behind the bike to put stuff in?
(ive only seen the side wagon, or motorcycle-taxis in pakistan)

[JPaul]

Hate to admit that but it's logically correct, I would like to see a test tho, of a car and bike of equal standings and respect in their respective catagory.

Push the limit with a driver and rider of same skill, hit a 45 degree corner as fast as you can.

Cool :01:

Jonno :cool:

It's been done, often. With a decent car and a top quality bike.

The car wins.

[Jon L. Obscene]

You can have a trailer on a bike.
In the uk your trailer has to be to legal standard and your fixtures to the bike are included in your mot.
Your insurance would be slightly higher too, but you can do it :)

Jonno :cool:

[Jon L. Obscene]

It's been done, often. With a decent car and a top quality bike.

The car wins.

I don't deny that, but I have to take your word for it, I meant I would like to see a test.
Not dissagreeing, I would just like to see one.

Jonno :cool:

[JPaul]

It's been done, often. With a decent car and a top quality bike.

The car wins.

I don't deny that, but I have to take your word for it, I meant I would like to see a test.
Not dissagreeing, I would just like to see one.

Jonno :cool:
You don't have to take my word for it mate, argue away.

It just means that I will be right and you will be wrong.

It's not an opinion thing, it's physics.

[Jon L. Obscene]

lmfao So even tho we agree we are going to argue anyway........cool, I always did like you JP :lol:

Jonno :cool:

[GepperRankins]

i think there's more to it than just traction though http://moderation.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/dabs.gif


well obviously it's all about traction, but weight and the fact that a bike doesn't need to turn as tight are major factors


anyone see fifth gear when they put bike against car? i don't think i ever saw how it turned out

[JPaul]

lmfao So even tho we agree we are going to argue anyway........cool, I always did like you JP :lol:

Jonno :cool:
No argument mate, I'm right. :naughty:

[JPaul]

i think there's more to it than just traction though http://moderation.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/dabs.gif


well obviously it's all about traction, but weight and the fact that a bike doesn't need to turn as tight are major factors


anyone see fifth gear when they put bike against car? i don't think i ever saw how it turned out
:lol:

[DarthInsinuate]

You can have a trailer on a bike.
In the uk your trailer has to be to legal standard and your fixtures to the bike are included in your mot.
Your insurance would be slightly higher too, but you can do it :)

Jonno :cool:
a trailer, you mean like a caravan :ermm:

http://eager.back2roots.org/SSHOT/S/superskidmarksd.png

[GepperRankins]

shootout results:

Mosler MT900S 48.82 secs
Ducati 999 (bike) 49.25 secs
Noble M400 49.54 secs
Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 secs
BMW M3 CSL 50.08 secs
Lotus Elise 111R 51.89 secs
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo 51.96 secs
Mitsubishi EVO MR FQ-400 52.03 secs
BMW M3 52.08 secs
BMW Z4 3.0i SE 53.03 secs
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 53.87 secs
Vauxhall Monaro V8 54.06 secs
Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG 54.23 secs
Honda Civic Type-R (facelift) 54.29 secs
Renault Clio 182 54.56 secs
Porsche Boxster 2.7 (986) 54.60 secs
Ford Focus RS 54.60 secs
Honda Civic Type-R (pre-facelift) 54.90 secs
MG ZT 4.6 V8 55.60 secs
BMW X5 4.8iS 55.67 secs
Seat Leon Cupra R (210 bhp) 56.00 secs
Mini Cooper S Convertible 56.37 secs
Citroen C2 GT 56.50 secs
Porsche Cayenne S 56.67 secs
Ford SportKa 57.00 secs
Skoda Fabia TDi vRS 57.03 secs
Mini Cooper 58.03 secs
Smart Brabus Roadster Coupe 58.15 secs
Ford Transit (van) 61.90 secs

only one car has ever beaten a bike, it says nothing about cornering though.

BTW- the ducati has a top speed of 170 mph, the mosler "200+"

[JPaul]

shootout results:

Mosler MT900S 48.82 secs
Ducati 999 (bike) 49.25 secs
Noble M400 49.54 secs
Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 secs
BMW M3 CSL 50.08 secs
Lotus Elise 111R 51.89 secs
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo 51.96 secs
Mitsubishi EVO MR FQ-400 52.03 secs
BMW M3 52.08 secs
BMW Z4 3.0i SE 53.03 secs
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 53.87 secs
Vauxhall Monaro V8 54.06 secs
Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG 54.23 secs
Honda Civic Type-R (facelift) 54.29 secs
Renault Clio 182 54.56 secs
Porsche Boxster 2.7 (986) 54.60 secs
Ford Focus RS 54.60 secs
Honda Civic Type-R (pre-facelift) 54.90 secs
MG ZT 4.6 V8 55.60 secs
BMW X5 4.8iS 55.67 secs
Seat Leon Cupra R (210 bhp) 56.00 secs
Mini Cooper S Convertible 56.37 secs
Citroen C2 GT 56.50 secs
Porsche Cayenne S 56.67 secs
Ford SportKa 57.00 secs
Skoda Fabia TDi vRS 57.03 secs
Mini Cooper 58.03 secs
Smart Brabus Roadster Coupe 58.15 secs
Ford Transit (van) 61.90 secs

only one car has ever beaten a bike, it says nothing about cornering though.

BTW- the ducati has a top speed of 170 mph, the mosler "200+"


What in the name of feck are you talking about.

[benxuk]

Cars are worse to corner than bikes -

One reason behind traction control is because cars can't handle corners properly.

And as for road contact... bs it doesn't matter how much road "contact" you have, in fact in a car its negative to control.

Google newtons law, the GSCE level should just about explain it.

[JPaul]

Cars are worse to corner than bikes -

One reason behind traction control is because cars can't handle corners properly.

And as for road contact... bs it doesn't matter how much road "contact" you have, in fact in a car its negative to control.

Google newtons law, the GSCE level should just about explain it.
:lol:

Stupidest post in the World, ever.

Which of Newton's Laws are you referring to.

[benxuk]

Did you google?

You do know how forces interact with forces, and how energy can only be transferred right?

[GepperRankins]

i checked the fifth gear website for stuff about when they pitted a car against a bike. i couldn't find a report on it, but they do have a list of results of every test they've done.


the list shows only one of many cars has ever beaten the ducati (bike)

a car that's 30mph faster than the bike but only beat it by 0.43 seconds

[JPaul]

Did you google?

You do know how forces interact with forces, and how energy can only be transferred right?
No I didn't "google", why would I.

Which of Newton's laws is relevant to this discussion.

[GepperRankins]

dick, you changed the subject :dry:

[JPaul]

i checked the fifth gear website for stuff about when they pitted a car against a bike. i couldn't find a report on it, but they do have a list of results of every test they've done.


the list shows only one of many cars has ever beaten the ducati (bike)

a car that's 30mph faster than the bike but only beat it by 0.43 seconds
What was the test.

[benxuk]

I'm not doing your research for you, I have a friend at Coventry who designs cars; do you want his number?

[JPaul]

I'm not doing your research for you, I have a friend at Coventry who designs cars; do you want his number?
:lol:

I don't have to reseach Newton's Laws.

[JPaul]

dick, you changed the subject :dry:
If you are talking to me, please just quote this post with the word "yes".

[GepperRankins]

i checked the fifth gear website for stuff about when they pitted a car against a bike. i couldn't find a report on it, but they do have a list of results of every test they've done.


the list shows only one of many cars has ever beaten the ducati (bike)

a car that's 30mph faster than the bike but only beat it by 0.43 seconds
What was the test.
a lap of anglesey circuit


http://www.angleseycircuit.com/image-files/circuitplan.gif

[JPaul]

What was the test.
a lap of anglesey circuit


http://www.angleseycircuit.com/image-files/circuitplan.gif
Can you show me the source please.

[benxuk]

Well thats ok, I'd like to say I won't post again - but its quite clear i've already bitten.

If it isn't your intention to purely annoy everyone with your improvised bullshit then I'm very sorry for you, and your...

Well, lets just leave it there shall we?!

[GepperRankins]

a lap of anglesey circuit


http://www.angleseycircuit.com/image-files/circuitplan.gif
Can you show me the source please.
actually i can't :rolleyes:



j/k

http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=2278491

you have to click on "this week"

http://www.angleseycircuit.com/circuit.htm

[JPaul]

Yes I can see the link and the "this week" but I can't actually see what the test was.

If it was, how fast can you get round that circuit, then I have to agree. Car > Bike.

[GepperRankins]

well i think that's all it is. unfortunately there's nothing to say how they handle differently through the corners :unsure:

[JPaul]

well i think that's all it is. unfortunately there's nothing to say how they handle differently through the corners :unsure:
Well let's be honest, there really aren't that many to speak of on that circuit.

The vast majority of it is straight, or as near it as makes no difference.

It's a time trial track, not a driving track.

[GepperRankins]

i could google time trials of other circuits but i don't think i care anymore.



at least we can agree that bikes are more fun
fear my rod

[Barbarossa]

Cars are worse to corner than bikes -

One reason behind traction control is because cars can't handle corners properly.

And as for road contact... bs it doesn't matter how much road "contact" you have, in fact in a car its negative to control.

Google newtons law, the GSCE level should just about explain it.

You can't corner without grip, you muppet, and a car clearly has more grip than a bike, because it has more wheels...

It's bleeding obvious. Newton's laws of motion don't come into it, unless you are trying to corner a hovercraft... :lol:

[NikkiD]

Perhaps it's that you can slow down/speed up faster on a bike than you can in the average car that gives the illusion that you can corner better. Dunno, never really thought about it. Having ridden a bike for a while in my younger years, I can say that they are fun though.

When I was younger, I much preferred sport bikes - sheer speed - if I were ever to get another one now, I'd probably be more inclined to look at a Harley or Indian (if I could ever afford either) for comfort's sake and style. Although my friend Irene just got a YZF 750 and I was drooling over it when she popped in the other day.

[JPaul]

Perhaps it's that you can slow down/speed up faster on a bike than you can in the average car that gives the illusion that you can corner better.

Exactly, bikes make up the ground when it calls for quick acceleration, cars make up ground when cornering. Bikes look more dramatic going thro' corners and look as if they are going faster. They must feel as tho' they are going a hell of a lot faster as well.

[Jon L. Obscene]

Bikes feel faster than cars anyway, whether cornering, or straight lines.

I want a blade now........or an exup, oh man they were cool :D

Jonno :cool: