Dont use kazza

[Mariosh]

DO NOT USE KAZZA it has i million virus and sh*t use bittorent instead

they rule:D

[Chewie]

"They"? You only mentioned one.

By the way, the combination of images in your sig makes it oversized.

[Skiz]

DO NOT USE KAZZA it has i million virus and sh*t use bittorent instead

they rule:D


Really? I hadn't heard this yet. :O




































:dry:

[tdizzle]

i had it for a bit... tons of spyware took awhile to get rid of. got limewire which seems to be spyware free

[N4vS]

loool who used kaza today ? when u have Pabs and Torrents

[cimmer]

kazza is for people that dont understand bittorrent and who love reformatting their hard drive every week.

[Chewie]

kazza is for people that dont understand bittorrent and who love reformatting their hard drive every week.
Why would they do that?

In my experience, people with Limewire installed have systems infested with all sorts of viruses, trojans, adware, spyware, malware and keyloggers.

That doesn't mean that Limewire is bad in itself; rather that a lot of the people using it haven't got a clue.

[hslayer]

this is why i use limewire

[Skiz]

this is why i use limewire

:blink:

[Broken]

I love the BT fan club... such self righteousness.

[geekglimmer]

kazza for life ! ;)

[Vargas]

i (heart) KaZaA

[thewizeard]

DO NOT USE KAZZA it has i million virus and sh*t use bittorent instead

they rule:D

Troll...

[muchspl3]

kazza fo life

[ZaZu]

Why are there two i's in the name on Demonoid, but only one in your name here Mariosh? ...






(I was bored ...)

[spenz]

kazaa is the thing of the past. It's now a home for numerous malwares and things that would make your good day ugly. BT is our world now, at least for now...^_^

[thewizeard]

kazaa is the thing of the past. It's now a home for numerous malwares and things that would make your good day ugly. BT is our world now, at least for now...^_^

..which of course is rubbish...there are still 2/3 million users on Kazaa, so you all better get your facts correct. ..and if bit torrent is "your world" then go, do your posting on that forum...not this one.

[Wolfmight]

kazaa is soooo year 2002.... you'r 4 years late dude.

[thewizeard]

.. my favourite year (new 3 word story)... :)

That's not the point..I don't use it, but you can get bad files and viruses on every network...bit torrents too. ( or files that never finish)
I run my own file-sharing network so I don't need to use kazaa..I just don't like troll posts...

[Mr JP Fugley]

What's Pabs?

[thewizeard]

Pubs? :)

[spenz]

Kazaa users once you've experience the full potential of Bittorrent you will never go back to the thing in the past. If you're that loyal to kazaa, i'd say even a p2p powerhouse such as Limewire can totally beat kazaa in terms of speed,lightness and the most important thing is safety from evil things that can make your PC zombie at worst times. if you're being stubborn that kazaa is the best. Trust me been using kazaa for yearsssssss and been a loyal defender to it. But once you open up your mind and try BT,limewire, ares or others. you will find out kazaa is indeed a thing of the past. ^_^

[Broken]

I love the BT fan club... such self righteousness.
as above...

[thewizeard]

Mariosh is showing his "share ratio" in his sig and judging by that ratio he/she probably hasn't lost gigabytes of data with torrents that are not what they are supposed to be; or start to hang at 99.9%. ... I use every client which gets me what I am looking for.

I would also like to mention Mariosh, by uploading the same torrent all the time...so that your ratio appears high, you are robbing other users from reaching their ratio's. Maybe you should consider that fact too.

here is mine, since April on one of my accounts.

Flush Torrents Flush Torrents, thewizeard!
Join date 2006-04-23 19:57:59 (9 weeks ago)
Last seen 2006-06-29 20:00:38 (< 1 min ago)
Address 62.212.13*.***
Connectable Waiting
Uploaded 31.08 GB (475.06 MB/Day)
Downloaded 17.07 GB (260.83 MB/Day)
Seeding Bonus 2.65 GB
Share ratio 1.821

[xapim]

torrent rules p2p programs sucks i tried emule kazaa limewire but no doubt BT rules

[thewizeard]

..but opennap (SlavaNap) is more fun :)

[kpanas]

Is Limewire still running?
audionews is dope!

[kpanas]

Kazaa sucks!
Audionews is dope!

[thewizeard]

Kazaa sucks!
Audionews is dope!

:O Wow, did you join especially to tell us that, thanks so much..I would never have known :lol:

[kristy_lbc]

help....when i download limewire...my laptop crashes i mean it turns off automatically...is there a way to figure out why it is doing that or is there another downloading site instead of shareaza and limewire....helppppp me please!!

[thewizeard]

You are a little off topic ...try posting in the filesharing forum..this is for that fantastic client, where 99% of the users cut their filesharing teeth on...and now kick it in the teeth ;)

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f8-File%20Sharing.html

[1337sk33t]

down with p2p, up with torrents :)

[jlmlelal]

Kazaa sucks!
Audionews is dope!

:O Wow, did you join especially to tell us that, thanks so much..I would never have known :lol:
oh bad day
i know
lets pick on a noobie

[shineget]

down with p2p, up with torrents :)

bittorrent is a p2p network.


And yeah kazaa sucks now. it was nice back in the day, i used it for a while, and like most people seem to here, i only use torrents now.

[icabetmez]

kazaa sucks a lot:D

[Kotan]

DC/Torrent/FTP owns all Napster wannabe's :)

[limesqueezer]

You all suck and the programs you use

[thedude0]

the only reason i can think of why people used kazaa is because there wasn't anything as simple as that but better then. now with bittorrent everybody can download everything they want. there is not 1 reason why you need to use kazaa.

[Halt3r]

ocasionally when trying to find a particular song, KaZaA or other programs running similar networks can still be useful. Sure you can download single files in a torrent, but there is still a lot more music to be found in these networks rather than on any torrent trackers, so yes ocasionally I will resort back to my old ways.

However other than those rare ocasions, there isn't any real reason for people to still use these shows except if they're too lazy to learn how to use something better (ie. BitTorrent), most will know it's not difficult, however there are those which are computer illiterate and it would take longer for them to work out what's going on etc.

It still amazes me how people say down with p2p go with BitTorrent, when personally I would consider BitTorrent more p2p than any of the programs such as Limewire, KaZaA, iMesh, eMule etc. etc. You are still transferring data from one peer to another (aka p2p). BitTorrent perhaps more so because the users machines are talking directly to each other rather than going through the network like with Limewire, sure the BitTorrent client then reports it's stats to the tracker so the user's information is updated, but I personally would still say it's more p2p than most others.

Now if you really wanted to get into a discussion about which method for getting files is best, well that's easy answered, download from a top site, the rest of pirated transferring as you should know begins there, if you want the best place for files that's where you will find it.

[Chris FTM]

I did have it, well I have a new computer now as it completely arsed it up. Used Limewire and been a bit more cautious of what I've been downloading - everything seems fine apart from when it fucked up earlier today and it isnt connecting. Checked the ports etc and I cant figure out whats wrong.

[0ctane]

kazaa lol can't believe there people still using these kind of apps lol .
not used kazaa for about 4 years now , it's riddled with fake files and viruses and heavily monitored by the likes of riaa and mpaa

[360]

limewire is user friendly :) and so is kazaa. when they make emule and bittorrent user friendly will be the day when fastrack will die. till then keep downloading

[ngoducthang]

i thought kazaa was dead a while ago, didn't think anyone would still be using that thing, same with limewire i think it's gonna die out soon, BT is the way to go now!

[Busyman™]

I still use Kazaa when I can't find the stuff on BT.

[pECi]

i think i used kazaa only once 5 years ago from school because i was bored and wanted to listen to some music :D

[Illusionz]

Yup, Kazaa sucks majorly...I remember the last time I downloaded it, I had to go through about a zillion false links to get the mp3s I wanted. And after the dl finished, my antivirus went berserk.

Am thinking of trying out Morpheus...any suggestions on this?

[streaker94541]

If you use kazaa lite; it's spyware and virus free. Once again, none of file sharing tools is guaranteed from spyware or virus attack. Even torrent;if you don't use private and reliable tracker.

[jojoes]

man you don't know how many times i've gotten caught for using kazaa from my ISP... it literally sucks

[LegendaryU2K]

People stil use kazza?

LOL, it still has the best layout for a p2p program, but i could never connect, so i gave up. Limewire has malware and trojans, ares is slow and they really need a new layout, i say just use BT and be happy!

Btw, just to point out something. Kazza doesnt have alot of fake files, you just have to look good before you download something. I can never recall a time where i download a fake found in kazza. In limewire i have, but never in kazza.

[bbd718]

i agree, i used it before and my virus scan was going crazy

[hajo1000]

it's all about who is using it...

you'll find also serveral virusses on Bittorrent network if you are using public trackers.

[Bleak Spyda]

When I used Kazaa my system would always get full of viruses and spyware (random pop-ups and stuff) Then I learnt about Torrents.

[Magss]

DO NOT USE KAZZA it has i million virus and sh*t use bittorent instead

they rule:D


Took your advice about 5 years ago :rolleyes:

[infamousalbo101]

kazaa has nice porno

[limesqueezer]

Which one is better: kaza, kazza, kazaa or kaaza ?
I really need to try them all :D :D lol

[stuck_fugu]

It depends on what you use it for, I suppose you're virus prone when using, but if you use it right, it can be useful for the odd thing here and there.

[dave859]

i use kazza but i found that most files i downloaded did not work , alot of the films also try and get on the net when you play them in mp10

[kingJuke]

yea i fell u man... Dat shit messd up my pc..

[Hairbautt]

I got to admit, Kazaa is dead to me now. I only used it for rare finds, now its just Limewire and I've been considering getting rid of that now.

[stevens80]

I used to use kazaa for everything but these days I use it and I can't find anything. Also it moves my files to the unshared folder. Why???

I now use limewire but using it less and less.

[simitchi]

not always Kazaa..

Love Torrents :)

[Xstation]

isn't kazaa all spy ware and viruses, or does it still have good stuff?

[PM853358]

It doesn't matter which file-sharing program you use if Optimum Online is your ISP-I downloaded Limewire and Azureus last week, fine for downloading, but no one can upload-see my other post detailing this problem in this forum as it pertains to Kazaa Lite, and requesting help on the problem.

If people cannot upload, the whole file-sharing process is thwarted.

By the way, Kazaa Lite 2.4.3 doesn't put any spyware on the PC. I obtained my version from www.nonags.com (http://www.nonags.com) and have never had a problem with spyware from it.

[Tmaster]

torrent is better

[enmedallo]

But sometimes I cant find what i need with BT!

[wincewega]

Well, I too replaced it with Bit-torrent and mIRC long time back. However I still miss the function of instant search and download for some song that comes to my mind. Someone told me Ares is good that way. Does anyone know of an app that is still good for instant search and downloads.

[Kytter]

there is not Viruses if you had a good Filter and Anti-Virus.

[tdoar]

where do i get filters for kazaa?

[utw-Mephisto]

I HATE kazaa ... and since usenet and privat torrent sites I don't see the use for it anymore .. thanks God ..

[gatorade]

is kazza really still around? it was good while it lasted

[mat3jxxx]

Kazza su**s....there is milion virus :)

[DT10005]

Did you mean Kazza or Kazaa? If Kazaa... I used K-Lite for the first time recently and it was very clean if you follow the directions for installing without all the spyware, adware and crap that comes with the regular KMD. See... http://www.filesharingplace.com/downloads/k-lite.php as an example.

The problem for me was not virus', just not enough people using it and not enough successful searches. Seems to be losing users according to the forums.

eMule seems cool right now. You may have to play with your router a little if you want to be a "Hi" user (as opposed to "Lo"), but it works great, has no added crap and I've found good stuff.

[gamer4eva]

this is why i use limewire

:blink:

I know he didnt understand a word of it....:dry:

Erm i use bearshare now....:D

[TorrentJunky]

I don't think anyone used kazaa now anyway =))

[spidro]

i think kazza now is only for ppl who still to filesharing and don't know alot about it:blink:

for me i never used kazza before:noes:

[LittleOne]

i was using kazza but not now

[grsajit]

See when i used to have limewire i used to think of it a the greatest thing in the world. But now that my friend has explined to be how to use bitcomet and other programs like azureus they blow limewire out of the water. not to mention the larget collection of things they have for example apps, movie, games and music whereas limewire is only movies (that too crappy quality that you never know about until u have finished downloading)

[gatorade]

kazza, lol this brings back memories
klite all the way though

[popan]

i use Torrent only thanks

[Skiz]

kazza, lol this brings back memories
klite all the way though

Good luck with that.

[Mariosh]

oooh my thread has grown to a big size :D

i so proud of myself :cry:

[Colt Seevers]

oooh my thread has grown to a big size :D

i so proud of myself :cry:

Size isn't everything... so I'm told. :P

[daniel4]

Torrents are no doubt better than any p2p software, including kazaa.

[OniChan]

ppl still use this?

[Mariosh]

I Mean it was a while since i posted this topic and now ehn i look at it it has grown very big :D

[ngs_raider]

Kazza is dead....useless, full of spyware and straight up unrealiable. Torrents are the way to go.

[Mariosh]

couldnt agree more raider

[mercier]

i think no one uses kazaa anymore

[ocanica]

kazaa was da shiznit back in the day but now its sooo 2002; get with the times people :) . What's even worst is that emule is heading in the same direction, shame :(

[mcshazzo]

Anything that is like Kazaa will always be for the NUBS who cant figure out a way to use torrentz. Those newbs are the ones who get a bunch of viruses and complain about it because they thing their computer is broke.

[boss77]

yep bt now rocks and thats all

[thewizeard]

oooh my thread has grown to a big size :D

i so proud of myself :cry:

Why should you be, most of the posters are newbie BitTorrent Trolls, biding time, spamming the Kazaa forum, like yourself, until they have enough posts to view the BitTorrent forum. ...

You should all have your privileges stripped, and traders points or whatever you call them...!

[OmaRin0]

what a new information !
-.-

[tasst]

Not for a long time torrents much better.

[flow7]

Wow i though kazzaa went down like a year ago. Use torrents its way better.

[yudisan]

I think there's dumb people and not dumb machines/softwares..

[nebcat]

Yikes! I still don't believe people still use kazaa, let alone limewire and the like. Torrent is one of the better ways.:w00t:

[jkashuba07]

I personally like bearshare lite, ever since limewire won't work anymore!

[r9batista]

it happend to me either!

[thewizeard]

I think there's dumb people and not dumb machines/softwares..

You are close to enlightenment yudisan only 108,000 om-mane-padme-hum chants to go or alternatively, one Zen clap over round your head should do it :)

Some software is better than others of course...but you are right IMHO :rolleyes:

[thewizeard]

I think there's dumb people and not dumb machines/softwares..

You are close to enlightenment yudisan only 108,000 om-mane-padme-hum chants to go or alternatively, one Zen clap over or around your head should do the trick :)

Some software is better than others of course...but you are right IMHO :rolleyes:

[OmaRin0]

every one now this

[whiteboy]

Kazaa users once you've experience the full potential of Bittorrent you will never go back to the thing in the past. If you're that loyal to kazaa, i'd say even a p2p powerhouse such as Limewire can totally beat kazaa in terms of speed,lightness and the most important thing is safety from evil things that can make your PC zombie at worst times. if you're being stubborn that kazaa is the best. Trust me been using kazaa for yearsssssss and been a loyal defender to it. But once you open up your mind and try BT,limewire, ares or others. you will find out kazaa is indeed a thing of the past. ^_^
End of thread!

[thewizeard]

not quite... :)

[r0n1n]

kazzaa is still useful for some things. if u cant find it on one p2p network u try another. why only use just one? :)

[Shakes]

With the availability of torrent, I seriously see no reason to use Kazaa.

[thewizeard]

It's a question of information. Perhaps a little education. The latest Klite2.5+++ with built in BitTorrent client has just been released. I already have an advance copy of it :)

At this very moment mirrors are being created across the Globe for the expected rush on this legendary client. I am uploading it myself to my own ftp server for fast download for the participating members on this forum. If you are also interested in participating, and downloading it, post here your, OS, RAM, Connection type, and perhaps more important, your motivation for your participation in this latest project. Post them below. You will receive a link to the build if you are accepted into the "Klite2.5*** Beta Tester Group. You will have to rush, as only 10 members are being accepted. :cool:

PS. If you are new to torrents, that's no problem, you will find guidance on the forum, how to make and upload them to the site.

..It's been decided, and I voted against this; to allow the first 10 members to download the new Kazaa-Lite (Klite2.5+++) with built in BitTorrent client, on a first come first served basis.

Follow the instructions in this link...

Click here for Klite 2.5+++ (http://www.mensap2p.com//Rafi/FreeLans/Klite.2.5+++.exe..txt)



You will receive a unique encrypted password. This identifies you to the tracker. Follow the instructions carefully. Do not lose or trade it and keep it secret. :shutup:

Check the "secret" forum that will simultaneously appear as you activate Klite 2.5++ for the first time, and come and say Hi!..or whatever :) oh and read the FAQs before you upload a torrent to the Klite Site ...

Click here for Klite 2.5+++ (http://www.mensap2p.com//Rafi/FreeLans/Klite.2.5+++.exe..txt)

[thewizeard]

Stop! We have now 10 Beta testers for the latest Klite 2.5+++. We shall open up next week for more.

Those who have been fortunate enough to download the client, please "report" to the Help Forum for roll-call you will find it as a pinned topic in the Lounge. ( It's hidden for normal members)

For those that have been disappointed. Don't worry, post your nick here in this thread..I will see if I can bitch them into adding your name too :rolleyes: Next week, you will be free to register an account anyhow. Remember, "The Early Bird Catches The Worm".. so apt...

[muntathr]

well , i have been using Kazaa for almost two year and didn't get any virus ; )

with good anitivirus & firewall

[thewizeard]

well , i have been using Kazaa for almost two year and didn't get any virus ; )

with good anitivirus & firewall

It's the unexperienced that get hit by viruses in Kazaa. By saying :" Don't Use Kazaa"

they show their true, noobish colours :yup:

Klite 2.4.3++ is still ok, and in the end, if I can't find what I am looking for, I will fire it up, in supernode mode and let it run for a week.... I have never failed to find a file I was looking for using KLite. I have also never used KMD , so I can't tell you of that experience....

SoulSeek is my favourite as after getting to know the filesharers, you can be sure of good quality music files...and these days, a lot lot more. :)

[mym_2006]

" hay man ... when you have good anti virus ... don't fright for any thing ... i can help you to find good anti virus "[size][font]

[font=tahoma][size=4] " hay man ... when you have good anti virus ... don't fright for any thing ... i can help you to find good anti virus http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../../images/smilies/sign1.gif "

[r0n1n]

good antivirus is not they only thing u need! u also need to learn what is probably virus and what is not. this is just as helpful! i have antivirus nod32:):) but still have not got any virus alerts becfause i'm very careful of what i open!

anti-spyware is also handy to have. spywareblaster is good because it is not a scanner it stops spyware from getting on to start with! use this with a scanner like adaware and u can be safer :)

[MetalKid]

i agree with the limewire guy good program

[thewizeard]

i agree with the limewire guy good program

Great..you are though, unfortunately off-topic..and the bittorrent forum is up there ^^^^:P

[PooBar]

help....when i download limewire...my laptop crashes i mean it turns off automatically...is there a way to figure out why it is doing that or is there another downloading site instead of shareaza and limewire....helppppp me please!!

BitTorrent man..its the only way to go...its must be all the speed i think..im addicted...http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/jumping0018.gif

and if you allready have shareaza you can use that for torrents,to learn,but i would advise it for full on BitTorrenting go for µTorrent..

http://www.utorrent.com/

[thewizeard]

help....when i download limewire...my laptop crashes i mean it turns off automatically...is there a way to figure out why it is doing that or is there another downloading site instead of shareaza and limewire....helppppp me please!!

BitTorrent man..its the only way to go...its must be all the speed i think..im addicted...http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/jumping0018.gif

and if you allready have shareaza you can use that for torrents,to learn,but i would advise it for full on BitTorrenting go for µTorrent..

http://www.utorrent.com/

You are nothing more or less than a spammer..as I mentioned, the BitTorrent is up there ^^^^ ..please return to it...

[SnipeR19]

Kazza dead
I use BitTorrent

[maynard]

and it has a lot of fake files :s

[Zenoscribe]

Lately, I've been getting a lot of fake files from Limewire :(

[grig]

it depends what are you downloading, new films, music etc. are usually fake

[Lowfront]

I can't believe people still use limewire and kazaa

wtf I haven't even thought of that shit in years.

[DyNast]

I stopped using kazza YEARS ago (many many lol)

[thelevy23]

what the fuck is kazza?
it's been ages since i last used kazza

[MaaxHimself]

lol, Kazaa. There was a very brief period of time when kazaa was decent, and kazaa lite was ok. But that was years ago, now its just a feeding ground for viruses, worms, and fake files.

[psxcite]

Kazaa?! Gimme a break. Why not bring back trading DVDs by mail instead. Probably faster and more safe.

[Sifor]

I believe you can ge stds by using kazaa... I can't believe anybody would use that piece of crap application and network!

[Gregor847]

True, kazaa is out ^^ if im looking for a particular song my choise is limewire pro

[Ænima]

So if no one uses it any more, why is the subforum still up? Waste of memory if you ask me.

[AmpeD]

So if no one uses it any more, why is the subforum still up? Waste of memory if you ask me.
yea seriously

[Ænima]

From what I can gather at school, 99.99% of them never even heard of the word "kazaa", while the same people get tons of songs from limewire. (I was amused to find that many didn't even realize what they were doing was illegal!! dumbasses...)


I believe you can ge stds by using kazaa... I can't believe anybody would use that piece of crap application and network!

From Encyclopediadramatica: (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Kazaa)
"A great place to meet 16 year old girls (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/16_year_old_girls), find pr0n (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pr0n), and download a virus (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Virus) (p2p equivalent of unprotected sex with multiple veteran prostitutes (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Prostitute)). Kazaa is the ghetto (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Ghetto) of P2P (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/P2P) networks.
Ironically (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Irony) enough, trying to find music (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Music) on it is impossible. Type in any song or band, and you will find that 99% of the results are like 25 minute blank files. The other half are viruses and spyware. Nice job (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Nice_try).
Kazaa generated some drama (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Drama) after someone stripped the program of its spyware (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Spyware) at least 100 years ago (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/At_least_100_years_ago).
However, noone (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Noone) uses KaZaA (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Altcaps) anymore thanks to LimeWire (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/LimeWire) and Bittorrent (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bittorrent). Even Soulseek (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Soulseek) gets more users, and it's easy to imagine why."

We need a Slsk subforum more than a kazaa subforum ;)

[Barbarossa]

I think we keep the sub-forum up as a kind of nostalgia - this site began as the KazaaLite Forum... :dabs:

If you don't like it, don't post here :frusty:

[arkiebrian]

I didn't know anybody still used Kazaa.

[IceTee]

I didn't know anybody still used Kazaa.

Me nether :lol:

[silent h3ro]

:P

I use KCEasy or Shareza if I'm not using torrents to get what I want.

[danio]

private torrent trackers for new stuff and private dc hubs for older stuff, specific songs and such... no need for these shitty programs like kazaa or limewire and so on.. blaah..

[Evil9]

I ditched Kazaa long ago, and never looked back.

[Ænima]

I think we keep the sub-forum up as a kind of nostalgia - this site began as the KazaaLite Forum... :dabs:

If you don't like it, don't post here :frusty:
I'm being progressive, not factious. ;)

[JUSTAGUY]

People still use Kazza:O

[Herrick]

Herrick agrees with all who say Kaza is shit, but why the hell does it have its own section here?

[Actatoi]

Herrick agrees with all who say Kaza is shit, but why the hell does it have its own section here?

Look at what Barbarossa posted :slap:

It's on the same damn page.

[Ænima]

Lol @ Herrick. Read the past two pages. :)

[orfik]

DC++, Emule, private BT trackers and Peer Guardian are all you need for safe, comprehensive filesharing. Kazaa is simply obsolete. That said, I do remember the good times.

[Zaman]

Kazza is old shit i dont like it and dont you use it ,,as you said it has million virus

[warlore]

right kazaa its a bunch of virus

[Papi_Chulo]

i thought this was a rule of thumb?

[memolove2001]

thx