bittorrent Vs. newsgroup

[kayvanblue]

should i use bittorrent or the newsgroups? help plz

[Nickthestick91]

Both. If you can't find something on BitTorrent, use Newsgroups, and vice versa.

You can also use them in conjunction with each other. When you download something from Newsgroups, you can seed it on a BT site. I often do this when my ratio is low, and if I download it from the torrent site, it'll get worse, so I d/l it on Newsgroups and then seed it to up my ratio.

[tyler0630]

what would be the best program to d/l off the newsgroups for a noob?

[peat moss]

what would be the best program to d/l off the newsgroups for a noob?


Make that two NoObs , I'm just trying Grabit now at the moment , but off to read a little more . :(

[Nickthestick91]

GrabIt is just fine. I used it when I first started out. I'm currently using Newsleecher though.

[adyf]

Doesn't success with newsgroups depend on what newsgroups you can access through your ISP?

[irascible]

Doesn't success with newsgroups depend on what newsgroups you can access through your ISP?

I'm also curious on the best client and this question. I've never dived into the whole newsgroup scene and have heard it's a very good resource. What's a good site on where to read up on this that includes a small howto?

[{I}{K}{E}]

I prefer usenet/newsgroups because I can always download with full speed (8mbit). Almost all bittorrent trackers only have new releases.

Newsleecher is the best usenet/newsgroup download program. I don't like Grabit because it uses much more memory.
Most IPS's have a free newsserver, but those free servers don't have all groups and have a low retention. Using a payserver will give you 38+ days retention and have all groups.(i use Eweka [Dutch only] and I pay 7,50 a month).

[Chewie]

I use NewsBin Pro for newsgroups.

The best way to see how good your ISP's usenet service is, is to install something like Newsleecher, Grabit or NBP and download the headers of some alt.binaries.* groups. You'll see which groups are carried and be able to see what sort of retention and completion they offer.

[RealitY]

Doesn't success with newsgroups depend on what newsgroups you can access through your ISP?

I'm also curious on the best client and this question. I've never dived into the whole newsgroup scene and have heard it's a very good resource. What's a good site on where to read up on this that includes a small howto?
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=69159

[Broken]

Doesn't success with newsgroups depend on what newsgroups you can access through your ISP?



Some people refuse to pay for newsgroups.
You get what you pay for.

+'s
full speed downloads
no need to rely on others to seed for you
no seeding
newest content the fastest
safty against "the powers that be"

[reiden]

I love bittorrent better.. coz i dunno how to use usenet :P
But iam gonna try one soon :D

[kayvanblue]

correct me please if i'm wrong!!,,,(the usenet/ newsgroup guide is is so sophisticated)
ok so far i know that everybody can use newsgroup with out paying and it works somehow like bittorrent, you just need to be invited to one of those private trackers like "www.nzbsrus.com" and have a decent client to download from them!! what i dont understand is the concept of those paying sites!

[{I}{K}{E}]

ok so far i know that everybody can use newsgroup with out paying and it works somehow like bittorrent, you just need to be invited to one of those private trackers like "www.nzbsrus.com" and have a decent client to download from them!! what i dont understand is the concept of those paying sites!


* it does NOT work like bittorrent. there are websites that host .nzb files but those files are not like .torrent files.
* there are no good free servers. the once that are ok, always have a low retentions.
* you never need an invite. there are many free sites and programs you can use to find posts on usenet.
* you pay for a payserver because that company needs to pay the bandwidth and hardware

[Broken]

I think most people don't understand Usenet at all.

Usenet exist on the internet, but is not part of the internet. You can have internet without Usenet, but not Usenet without internet. It is an additional service, some do but not all ISPs run news servers. Those ISPs that do run news servers often do not carry alt.binaries newsgroups because of thier relationship to piracy (which we want in this case) and thier size, about 99% of all articles on Usenet.

If your ISP does not provide Usenet access for free, filtered access, or has poorly maintained servers (very common) you will need a premium Usenet provider.

Usenet providers run server farms hooked up to T-lines. The basic protocal behind Usenet is simple. It's basically a message board system, similar to all the post in this forum in a more primative state, without a fancy graphical interface as we have here.
The files (movies, warz, ect) on Usenet are posted in binary form. Any digital information can be expressed in binary form which is a collection of ones and zeros in text form.

Now I would post this on my provider's servers. All Usenet servers talk to one another. So eventually what I posted should make it to everyone's provider's servers and everyone will see what I've posted.

Depending on the quality of your provider these messeges get picked up at rate of 99.9% of the time. And stored for up to 3 months before they are deleted to make room for new messeges.
If your provider sucks, you may only get 50% of the messges I post and those are kept for only a few days. Not very good it you want to pick up some files.


The real plus' of Usenet is that you connect to no person, just a server. Providers don't keep records on what it is your downloading, just how much. So there is no way for 'the bad guys' to catch you downloading.
You download at full speed all the time. The only thing limiting how fast you can download is the speed of your own connetion.
You get the newest content the fastest. Unless you have access to a releaser's group dumpsite this is the next best thing. People upload to Usenet first because you only have to do it once by the inital provider and then it can spread.

For the cash involved, it's well worth it for the speed and security.

[tnemeth]

Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.

[Damnatory]

Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.
Same here, I use Usenet for pretty much everything. The only reason I use BT is because Usenet works on a retention period of a certain amount of days, and it's almost impossible to find OLD tv shows and rare apps, without requesting someone upload them to a newsgroup.

And that is the ONLY superiority BT has over Usenet.

[fishfriend]

A good usenet option for people who don't want to deal with newsreaders is easynews.com. I've been a very happy member for almost .. jeez, 5 years now? (before that I was a GigaNews fan). They've got a simple web interface for downloading and searching. The tradeoff is that you'll be paying more per gig than you will with other providers, but IMHO, the saved hassle is worth it.

[duynghia]

Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.
Same here, I use Usenet for pretty much everything. The only reason I use BT is because Usenet works on a retention period of a certain amount of days, and it's almost impossible to find OLD tv shows and rare apps, without requesting someone upload them to a newsgroup.

And that is the ONLY superiority BT has over Usenet.

Yes, you're right, but the best appropriate P2P program which can find rare and old stuff is NOT BT, it's eMule. Sharing files in eMule is much easier than others, therefore, many old sources still available on eDonkey2000 Network.

[ilw]

I wasn't impressed by newsgroups personally. The download speed is great, but thats it, for the stuff i download it loses to bt in: time to release, amount/choice of content available, ease of finding stuff and the fact that you have to pay!

(My downloads are typically new tv shows, music, anime, some new movies, porn and non-new comedy)

[{I}{K}{E}]

I wasn't impressed by newsgroups personally. The download speed is great, but thats it, for the stuff i download it loses to bt in: time to release, amount/choice of content available, ease of finding stuff and the fact that you have to pay!



Then you don't know how to find stuff on usenet. :lol:

New tv episodes are posted in a.b.multimedia or a.b.tv before almost all bittorrent trackers have it online. (same with new movie releases) Check the a.b.sounds.*** groups they host billions of mp3's.

[duynghia]

I wasn't impressed by newsgroups personally. The download speed is great, but thats it, for the stuff i download it loses to bt in: time to release, amount/choice of content available, ease of finding stuff and the fact that you have to pay!

(My downloads are typically new tv shows, music, anime, some new movies, porn and non-new comedy)

As for me, I download everyday, everytime, everywhere. I mean 24 hours a day, at my university, at my office where I work there, and at my home.
Now I have 1000+ retail DVD9 Dual-layer titles since I have been using Usenet 2 months ago, some HD 1080i sources and 200+GB Japanese Anime, full DVD retail softwares like Adobe Bundle,...
On BT Network I don't think DVD9s are published as much as Usenet.
Usenet is simply the best, I kick of both eMule and BT since I know Usernet ^_^

[{I}{K}{E}]

I wasn't impressed by newsgroups personally. The download speed is great, but thats it, for the stuff i download it loses to bt in: time to release, amount/choice of content available, ease of finding stuff and the fact that you have to pay!

(My downloads are typically new tv shows, music, anime, some new movies, porn and non-new comedy)

As for me, I download everyday, everytime, everywhere. I mean 24 hours a day, at my university, at my office where I work there, and at my home.
Now I have 1000+ retail DVD9 Dual-layer titles since I have been using Usenet 2 months ago, some HD 1080i sources and 200+GB Japanese Anime, full DVD retail softwares like Adobe Bundle,...
On BT Network I don't think DVD9s are published as much as Usenet.

so you download ~4 TB a month? :wacko:

[duynghia]

so you download ~4 TB a month? :wacko:

My download speed:
at univesity about 30Mbps+, up to 50+Mbps depends on how many users at that time.
at my company, about 20Mbps constantly
at home, about 2Mbps constantly

so at least my download speed is 30+20+2=52Mbps=6.5MB/s
it means I can download at least 6.5*24hours*60minutes*60seconds=561,600MB=548GB+ a day
DVD9 is about 6GB-8GB
Speed is also depends on how fast is your Usenet premium services, Newshosting provides speed at 200KB/s for each one of 8 streams
I should inform you that there's not enough DVD9 for me to download everyday T___T
At my home, actually speed is 300x8=2400Kbps:
[img=http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7186/usenet2pz2.th.png] (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usenet2pz2.png)

[yahoo12]

really take everything out of the newshoting service don't you?

[duynghia]

really take everything out of the newshoting service don't you?

The role of Newshosting is similar to ISPs (Internet Service Providers) for Usenet, just like Giganews, and many others. It means when you connected to one of Usenet ISPs, you could access to entire Usenet groups if they are not restricted.
BTW, one of the most advantage of Premium Usenet Providers is that they provide 8 concurrent connections(for Newshosting) or even higher with GigaNews (10 concurrent connections), therefore we can use some connections at home, at an office at the same time. As for me, 4 connections at home and 6 connections at an office.

[yahoo12]

i know alot also, i've used newsgroups all my life, i was just making a friendly joke calm down.

[duynghia]

I edited my answer in order to make it more friendly.Sorry.
Peace.

[FreeDoom]

Yes, you're right, but the best appropriate P2P program which can find rare and old stuff is NOT BT, it's eMule. Sharing files in eMule is much easier than others, therefore, many old sources still available on eDonkey2000 Network.


Yes i fully agree on that. If you want to find something very old and rare, be it music, apps or others, emule is the best. Sometimes, things stay around for years :huh:

The ideal is having both: UN+Emule+BT :naughty:

[T0TAL-RECALL]

Never had problems finding anything on Newsgroups... Be it new old or very rare.

Also being able to request helps and 75% of the time my requests get filled within a matter of days.

I use BT also since Im with some major private sites but still much prefer Newsgroups.

[kuban177]

I prefer BT i don't know why but i do. Maybe cuz its so simple and fast

[stixx]

do you guys no some good soft for news group tell me about it please:happy:

[TheLyon32]

Alright I'm gone stop being lazy and and get into this newsgroups thing

[DKre8ive1]

Alright I'm gone stop being lazy and and get into this newsgroups thing

Same here since I been wanting to learn how it works and now I know that my ISP offers some am going to give Reality's guide a try. :)

[Broken]

I would venture to say anyone that says they prefer BT over Usenet
a) has never tried Usenet.
b) tired Usenet, but had no idea what the hell they where doing.
c) was too cheap to pay for a good service and didn't get a good impression of what Usenet really is like.

[gohugo]

i use the both giganews just rocks
90 days of retention

[gohugo]

for news group i use powergrab

[Damnatory]

Alright I'm gone stop being lazy and and get into this newsgroups thing

Same here since I been wanting to learn how it works and now I know that my ISP offers some am going to give Reality's guide a try. :)

Just keep in mind that most ISP usenet access offers very low retention rates, so don't let that sway your opinion on Usenet. (Retention = How long the files are on the servers).

Retention is the reason we all pay for usenet access, when you find something you want, and the NZB is still available, it sucks to not be able to grab it just because your retention is to low and its not on your server anymore.

[digitrifecta]

Once you try it, you will see...Usenet is the only way to grab the good stuff...Check it:

http://mantup.com/

BT is for Bitc*es!

[scrambler]

Once you try it, you will see...Usenet is the only way to grab the good stuff...Check it:

http://mantup.com/

BT is for Bitc*es!

thats a great site. thanks :)

i'm not a newbie to usenet but i'm no expert either. my current isp allows 10gb per month and i make good use of that. i can opt to purchase more gb's on my isp but chose not to. i do like newsgroups but i like the community feeling of bittorrent. Maybe when i get paid more i'll venture more into newsgroups.

[XceLi]

Newsgroups. Hands down. Faster and more stable speeds. And just more of everything. Make sure to get a good premium provider though with good retention and completion.

[Hairbautt]

BT, I just don't wanna pay anything, not to mention to learn something new. :-P

[a2thedeep]

Ive tried using newsgroups before with little or no success. Guess i'll just stick to bittorrent. its easy and there are no costs involvled..

[jetje]

I use both, just because i like some of the bittorrent communities (like OINK)
and the stuff that is on there, i use Usenet for the fast grab of new and popular stuff. With a 20MB connection maxed out is that the fastest filesharing product on the Planet if you ask me.

for the Dutchies on the forum.

In the netherlands there are a few very good ISP's wich have USEnet servers with 30 to 50 days retention that you can use with a regular subscription.
XS4All.nl (8Mb) - (server newszilla, experimenteel) or tweakdsl.nl (20Mb).
Maybe there are more but from these 2 i know they are very good.

[omd]

:O:blink:

:cry:




so you download ~4 TB a month? :wacko:

My download speed:
at univesity about 30Mbps+, up to 50+Mbps depends on how many users at that time.
at my company, about 20Mbps constantly
at home, about 2Mbps constantly

so at least my download speed is 30+20+2=52Mbps=6.5MB/s
it means I can download at least 6.5*24hours*60minutes*60seconds=561,600MB=548GB+ a day
DVD9 is about 6GB-8GB
Speed is also depends on how fast is your Usenet premium services, Newshosting provides speed at 200KB/s for each one of 8 streams
I should inform you that there's not enough DVD9 for me to download everyday T___T
At my home, actually speed is 300x8=2400Kbps:
[img=http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7186/usenet2pz2.th.png] (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usenet2pz2.png)

[Tmaster]

Torrent is the best

[0ctane]

Once you try it, you will see...Usenet is the only way to grab the good stuff...Check it:

http://mantup.com/

BT is for Bitc*es!

Gr8 site for newbies mate :)

[xmykro]

I use grabit for newsgroup.

[omgwirjo]

I think newsgroup is the better of the two.

[kayvanblue]

Posted this 6 months ago
to this day i still can not understand newsgroups completely

[berberine]

Never had problems finding anything on Newsgroups... Be it new old or very rare.

Also being able to request helps and 75% of the time my requests get filled within a matter of days.

I use BT also since Im with some major private sites but still much prefer Newsgroups.


Same here. As a matter of fact the other day I looked for about two hours for a particular file on BT (at least 20 different sites private and public) and eMule. It wasn't on the newsgroups either. I made a request on the newsgroups and, the next morning, there it was.

While I use BT a lot, I find that the newsgroups has what I want at faster speeds. I'm not worried about who gets the file first because the new stuff usually appears when I'm sleeping. When I get up, there they are on the newsgroups at my full speed.

The newsgroups did have a little bit of a learning curve to them but, I've been using them for so long, it's just become intuitive for me.

[albertadj]

I used to use newsgroups but mainly for pics... havent tried it for files of a larger size. My ISP no longer hosts any newsgroups. Tried a free one with little success. Find the learning curve on this format allot harder. I think I will stick with torrents.

[invivo]

I use both but prefer newsgroups because I can max out my download rate and don't need to tie up my connection for any significant amount of time. The primary drawbacks I see with NG are the initial learning curve and the cost (ISPs typically give poor NG access).

[nonstopsa]

I used to use newsgroups but mainly for pics... havent tried it for files of a larger size. My ISP no longer hosts any newsgroups. Tried a free one with little success. Find the learning curve on this format allot harder. I think I will stick with torrents.

same here :(

[Broken]

I used to use newsgroups but mainly for pics... havent tried it for files of a larger size. My ISP no longer hosts any newsgroups. Tried a free one with little success. Find the learning curve on this format allot harder. I think I will stick with torrents.

same here :(

It's not the learning curve. It's that fact that you have to put down money for a decent provider to have any success.

[darrenjdoc]

What are the best news groups for advance music ???

Thanks

[andreqm]

what are the nice groups that I should look for to know if my isp news server is good enough or not?

[invivo]

Andreqm - You could check for the large binary groups (e.g. alt.binaries.xxx). Typically, in a newsreader, you can download a list of all the groups your ISP carries and then add them if they exist. However, even if they do exist, another problem with newsgroups is retention. What this means is that some of the very large newsgroups have their contents purged (or unavailable) after a few days. That's another advantage of having a pay server.

[hyca]

newsgroup is old fashion Torrent is future

[Broken]

newsgroup is old fashion Torrent is future

lol
you're funny.

[kingace]

i'm funnier....:whistling

[popopot]

What is the best pay service for usenet? I am really after a good MP3 one that has the same quality of downloads as Oink. I am not a member of Oink and if I can't get an invite - hint, hint - then I might try newsgroups if they are any good for music.

[tupac]

Filesharing should be free. But the access to newsgroups is not free. So bittorrent is the winner :D

Pay for filesharing? Now that's stupid :sick:

[Ratzy Rox]

I use it occasionally when there are free trial periods but id rather use bittorrent than pay someone £15 a month to give me stuff which they dont own or have any right to sell.

[djozma]

bittorrent... unless you have money then use newsgroups. No need to worry too much about ratio there.

[Wyld-Tyme]

Well I agree, Newsbin pro is the best reader. I really like their auto-nzb feature where you can just upload an NZB file to a specific directory on your server and it queue's it up and begins to download. I use www.giganews.com (http://www.giganews.com) for my News Group service. Unlimited is a good thing when you have 24MB of bandwidth at your house ;)

Sometimes if I turn off all the stuff in my office I can actually hear the sucking sound from the internet! :dabs:

WT

[thewizeard]

I edited my answer in order to make it more friendly.Sorry.
Peace.

erm I use kazaa and its verily fast

[WHRST]

i like uneset because i always get max speed, but torrents most sites are max speed and there free

[d4l]

torrents are easier and free. Unless you want something thats a rare or a specialty use torrents.

[WannaPlay]

Never pay for File Sharing! I thought this was the sites motto... or does this need to be updated... ;)

[andra]

is it scene releases at usenet. And are the god pre times? Im looking for xvid and tv-ripps scene with nice pretimes.

[SnipeR19]

Bittorrent

[OmaRin0]

i prefer bittorrent

[ptp5352]

bittorrent, you have to pay for newsgroups which sucks

[nadeem111as]

i will say torrent sites (private one)

[haydeno]

nntp if its free(limited for me) otherwise bittorrent

[Skiz]

This is simple:

If you've used both, your vote was for newsgroups. If you've used torrents exclusively, your vote went to bittorrent.

There is absolutely no possible way an avid newsgroup user would return to the torrent-world.

[UsenetGuy]

This is simple:

If you've used both, your vote was for newsgroups. If you've used torrents exclusively, your vote went to bittorrent.

There is absolutely no possible way an avid newsgroup user would return to the torrent-world.

I could not agree more :D My name is TorrentGuy but ever since I started using newsgroups I have never used torrents, infact I think they are crap now. Newsgroups are just so much better, you get scene releases, good pre-times, max out your download speed all the time and you can download as much as you want without uploading anything :P You also get people that post dvds and stuff that you wont find on a bittorrent tracker :yup: Its also much more secure than bittorrent :ph34r:

[Wizard Scuff]

bittorrent, you have to pay for newsgroups which sucks

Not if your isp provides them.

[Ratzy Rox]

This is simple:

If you've used both, your vote was for newsgroups. If you've used torrents exclusively, your vote went to bittorrent.

There is absolutely no possible way an avid newsgroup user would return to the torrent-world.

So my vote proves you wrong :P Scathing generalisations on the internet generally don't pay off since its such a big place.

I found I could get more music at a better quality than that found on newsgroups from bittorrent while maxing out my connection when downloading scene releases. Oh, and it wouldn't cost me £15 a month.

[Wizard Scuff]

Some people have upload speeds substantially lower than their download speeds. Making it difficult to keep a decent ratio. That is not a factor with usenet as uploads are irrelevant.

Also BT is the next big target for the authorities. The people here "trading" invites are doing a good job of helping them.

[Hairbautt]

I've been thinking about making the switch because RR provides'em...but I just hardly ever d/l anything... :-\ Seemed too difficult last time I tried.

[tintin123]

i use both newsgroups and torrents

torrents as the best torrent sites get the tv+divx etc more or less within mins of it being released

i dont browse ng but use index sites and most of them are fast but not as fast as the private torrent sites

also i more or less get max speed suing torrents from scenetorrents and ftn etc so speed is the same but in general u get max spoeed 24/7

only problem with usenet for me with giganews is if my connection cuts out in the house and then i cant reconnect to newsgroups as has login issues for say an hour then its fine

so it can cause problems

also $25-30 for unlimited doewnloads from giganews is HARDLY paying for filesharing where one 360 game covers the expenses more or less

overall i would say:
speed same
requests ng
releases pretimes torrents
quantity: torrents
cheapness torrents

i use both ng+torrents as to dat e i havnet found an index site of ngs that is fast enough as say SCT+FTN

also foir say tv shows etc sct and ftn more or less have the full series for avaiability including bitmetv which does

with newsgroups you will only fing the last 120 days although they can be requested etc

if anyone knows any fast indexing ng site then pm me if you can

[Rebelatheart]

I couldnt do without both. If all you want is scene stuff, then private torrents gets stuff faster, and on a good site, you get fast speeds (max speed depending if your connection isnt super super fast). I need NG for older stuff no longer seeded, and tv series not found on torrents. Also for the Full Hd caps. Couldnt imagine download a 20gb movie from torrents, then having to seed it lol. $15 a month is a small price to pay for leech access to scene stuff and non scene stuff.

[delimare]

Filesharing should be free. But the access to newsgroups is not free. So bittorrent is the winner :D

Pay for filesharing? Now that's stupid :sick:


Never pay for File Sharing! I thought this was the sites motto... or does this need to be updated... ;)

Keep in mind that when you're paying for newsgroup access you're paying your host for the bandwidth, and that's it. This doesn't mean that torrents are better, it means the download speed is slower overall.

When everyone in the world has fiber connections then I can see torrents being equal to newsgroups as there will be unlimited amounts of bandwidth.

Another thing to keep in mind... I pay $13 dollars a month for my newsgroup access and this eliminates the need for me to leave my computer on to seed 24/7 or until certain torrents reached an acceptable ratio. For you who need to leave your PCs on to seed torrents, think for a minute what that is in electrical cost per month? I haven't done the math but it would seem to me that using newsgroups and having the ability to shut your PC down every night will save you MORE money in the long run...

I will admit though, using both tools is the ultimate in file sharing. Newsgroups for scene release and torrents for the really old, odd shit that I can't find on a newsgroup, which is quite rare.

[haydeno]

bitorrent is cheaper but if i am considering newsgroups cause $10 month aint too bad and these slow ass speeds on torrents r getting on my nerves

[cnack]

I prefer newsgroups, as the download speed for me is much faster. However, my ISP only has an 8 day retention on binaries, whereas I can find practically anything anytime via torrent. For me though, from a security standpoint, newsgroups are the way to go.

[yohanas26]

Bittorent actually works quite well... Depending on what you download and where you download from. If you use solely private trackers, you should get blazing fast speeds. Thats what I prefer.

[sp0ngeb0b]

All the old timers use usenet while all the young fresh kids use bittorrent, especially with the big deal about private bittorrent trackers and their exclusiveness.

That's my very short, crude, and stereotypical thought process on the topic. :D

[Skiz]

I've been thinking about making the switch because RR provides'em...but I just hardly ever d/l anything... :-\ Seemed too difficult last time I tried.

Hit me up on MSN. I'll have you rolling within 5 minutes. :)

[yohanas26]

Also, I think newsgroups arent used as much nowadays is because most people dont really know how to use them... Too much work for to do the same thin in bittorent with the click of a button.

[thegman24]

newsgroups are good if you like select content, but expect to PAY for what you GET: You don't have to worry about that with bit torrents. :) Personally, I like both.

[Skiz]

newsgroups are good if you like select content, but expect to PAY for what you GET: You don't have to worry about that with bit torrents. :) Personally, I like both.

I don't pay a nickel for newsgroups. :P

[yohanas26]

yea, cos some newsgroups are actually free from the ISP that provides your service. So check with them first, and if a no go, then u gotta pay....

[Pzero]

I've got a question, as coming to these forums were the first time I've heard of newsgroups for music. Is high quality easy to find, or is the amount of stuff like a mixed bag...I'm not sure if this is a relevant question or not, but is most of the available music 'quality'? Cause what sparked my interest is d'ling at full speed, since private trackers, though they have a lot of the music I look for..it can get slow if they're not popular.

[Skiz]

I've got a question, as coming to these forums were the first time I've heard of newsgroups for music. Is high quality easy to find, or is the amount of stuff like a mixed bag...I'm not sure if this is a relevant question or not, but is most of the available music 'quality'? Cause what sparked my interest is d'ling at full speed, since private trackers, though they have a lot of the music I look for..it can get slow if they're not popular.

You can find quality of all kinds.

You'll find a lot of flac as well, as users are not worried about having to seed back a large file.

[brotherdoobie]

It's really simple. Let me explain:



























































Newsgroups > Bittorrent

True story.

Fact.




Who gives a feck. I use both. I do prefer newsgroups.
(For obvious reasons)

[Skiz]

It's really simple. Let me explain:



























































Newsgroups > Bittorrent

True story.

Fact.




Who gives a feck. I use both. I do prefer newsgroups.
(For obvious reasons)

We did have nominal success in your other thread. I believe we successfully converted at least one bittorrent user. :01:

[yohanas26]

I agree. use both if u can. But if u cant, then go Bittorrent all the way.

[djkemp1]

but as i think someone stated bittorrent forces users to upload, if that user is downloading copyright material then they are more likely to get prosecuted, where as if i am correct there is near enough no way of getting to usenet users?

am i right?

[Chewie]

It's not that there's no way of getting to them but it's not easy.

Your newsgroup provider can see exactly what you're downloading since they're providing the service and your ISP can read your packets and check which posts you're downloading against the post ID from the server you're using.

Your newsgroup provider could get a subpoena to provide logs showing which IPs have downloaded certain posts and they could comply with that meaning you are at risk of being caught.

Your ISP could also get a subpoena to provide details of your port 119 packets and they could comply meaning you're at risk of being caught. If your ISP keeps logs of packet content they might contain enough detail for the authorities to tell which posts have been downloaded.

Scenario 2 is only going to happen if you come to the attention of the authorities. That is to say they would need to be investigating you already.

I wouldn't worry for a long while yet though since you're only downloading and anti piracy organisation aren't interested in you. They're after people uploading or sharing.
At the moment they are, anyway.

[djkemp1]

has it ever happened in the past that a newsgroup provider has been given a subpoena for just downloading?

[itS0v3r]

Bitorrent Rocks

[cyanidexxx]

Nothing against Bit-torrent but it's newsgroups for me. Pay 10 bucks a month for a good news-server not much money,I can afford it. I can afford a computer and the internet after all. Not to mention everything I downloaded in a full week is WELL worth 10 bucks a month. Got full 10 meg connection speeds, 45 days binary retention, always find what i want with 67,000 different newsgroups out there, or maybe more now i dont know. Thats the great thing about it really. There's entire dedicated groups to one particular thing on usenet. You really can find anything on there. If you have a decent ISP server check it out, everyone says its hard to learn it isn't. As far as security of usenet let's just say this. There's a risk with everything. I've never heard of anyone getting caught downloading off of usenet before. I'm not gonna say it can't happen, but it's sure as hell more likely to happen to people who use bit-torrent considering your Ip is freely availible to see at the click of a button.

[Wilton331]

I set up my free newsgroup access from comcast using the mac program unison, but when i browsed all the stuff they seemed random as f*ck and terrible selection. Like really bad stuff. I would like to know what i did wrong.

[Anithira]

Well, ISP Newsgroup service isn't very good. The retention isn't as long, and likely isn't getting all the posts to the newsgroup.

Your much better off joining a premium provider and try looking through again. Also, use NZB files to get files if you can.

[Wilton331]

So i just downloaded an NZB movie file. What do I do now? How do I put all the files together? I'm using Mac OSX

[Anithira]

Unison should be able to handle it, but be careful, even with NZB files won't get what you want unless the service you're using still has the files. It should start downloading once you open the file in unison, but I don't use NZB files, so I'm not sure how they work.

[brotherdoobie]

Well, ISP Newsgroup service isn't very good. The retention isn't as long, and likely isn't getting all the posts to the newsgroup.

Your much better off joining a premium provider and try looking through again. Also, use NZB files to get files if you can.


Unison should be able to handle it, but be careful, even with NZB files won't get what you want unless the service you're using still has the files. It should start downloading once you open the file in unison, but I don't use NZB files, so I'm not sure how they work.


Lucky guess? :dabs:



-bd

[kayvanblue]

we had this conversation before!!