5 Reasons Not To Be Afraid Of The Riaa

[VB]

1) RIAA is an American organisation. They have absolutely no juristiction outside the USA.

2) Potential targets of the RIAA are only people who download and upload several GB per DAY.

3) Even if you are one of the few who download so much music, then Kazaa Lite has an option to hide your list of shared files. It will then look like you share nothing at all.

4) There are millions of people in the USA alone that participate in file-sharing. Everytime the RIAA is in the news, they have 'caught' only a handfull of people (only 0 to 5 people per month!). So your changes of getting 'caught' are less than 1 to a million. Or virtually 0 when one of the reasons above applies.

5) Those few people that got 'caught' usually only received a warning letter. There are only a few cases known of people who actually got a fine. The highest one was $7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.


Conclusion: happy filesharing to everybody :lol:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 14:38
Conclusion: happy filesharing to everybody :lol:
:beerchug:

[Ad]

yep well sadi Paul

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 13:38
1) RIAA is an American organisation. They have absolutely no juristiction outside the USA.
But what everyone seems to forget is that the ones that the RIAA represent sell albums in all these countries. RIAA is part of the package. This gives them a mighty big foot in the door.

Unfortunatly, these countries governments aren't going to say "but our people want their free music, so they will have it" when it comes down to certain "contributions" whether monetary or otherwise. Hence anti-p2p laws can begin appearing.

[ilw]

but our people want their free music, so they will have it" when it comes down to certain "contributions
They don't have to say anything like that, many countries have different copyright laws which will impact what u can and can't do with copyrighted material. America's DMCA doesn't impact other countries in the slightest.

[Switeck]

The 'long arm' of the US laws can and HAS reached into foreign countries.
Australian students have been 'busted' and fined for sharing MP3s on a university campus. RIAA was one of the 'backers' for the sting operation.

However, the risk is reasonably low anywhere per person and very low outside of the US, UK, Canada, and Australia.

Blocking others from listing your shared files may work fine versis RIAA but will do little or nothing versis MPAA who is looking for movie titles by names and hashes. Only by blocking their search servers (by ip) can you hope to prevent their prying eyes. (Peer Guardian anyone?)

However, almost all of their searches are concentrated on NEW movies and even recently-aired tv shows. Sharing a pre-release copy of a movie is just ASKING for trouble...

[Paul_NFFC]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 14:38
The highest one was $7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.



:o 1million 1mp3s!!

[loz]

Originally posted by Switeck@20 June 2003 - 15:54
However, almost all of their searches are concentrated on NEW movies and even recently-aired tv shows. Sharing a pre-release copy of a movie is just ASKING for trouble...
recently aired tv shows... how sad can these people get :huh:

[ToraBoraDweller]

Like to add : don't read all those stories on Zeropaid.com. :D

[toddiscool]

Originally posted by Switeck@20 June 2003 - 16:54
The 'long arm' of the US laws can and HAS reached into foreign countries.
Australian students have been 'busted' and fined for sharing MP3s on a university campus. RIAA was one of the 'backers' for the sting operation.

However, the risk is reasonably low anywhere per person and very low outside of the US, UK, Canada, and Australia.

Blocking others from listing your shared files may work fine versis RIAA but will do little or nothing versis MPAA who is looking for movie titles by names and hashes. Only by blocking their search servers (by ip) can you hope to prevent their prying eyes. (Peer Guardian anyone?)

However, almost all of their searches are concentrated on NEW movies and even recently-aired tv shows. Sharing a pre-release copy of a movie is just ASKING for trouble...
I would count canada out of that list, and probably the rest. American laws are american laws. Our ISp's are still not aloud to give out our identities, our privacy is actually protected still (for how long who knows but right now it is). (canada that is)

[MagicNakor]

I thought it was the Netherlands and the USA that had the highest percentage of these cease-and-desist letters?

:ninja:

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

ask mp3wmaland.com in australia about the riaa, then try to tell them they are beyond the riaa's jurisdiction

[Keikan]

I'm glad i'm 13 and i dun have to go to university and besides, the university i will go to is the same city so no dorms for me :D

[echidna]

Originally posted by HeavyMetalParkingLot@25 June 2003 - 12:20
ask mp3wmaland.com in australia about the riaa, then try to tell them they are beyond the riaa's jurisdiction
the people who ran that site had direct http download links from web-pages, there was no P2P involved.
the riaa had not and still does not have any jurisdiction in australia, they acted as informants on behalf of their members, notifying the AFP of infringements of australian law
the makers of mp3wmaland.com were busted by australian federal police using evidence they had gathered under australian laws from ISPs and line taps inside and outside of australia

the makers of that site had no conception of how to be secure
they acted very foolishly and should have expected to be caught

[J'Pol]

Paul your points are well made.

However may I remind everyone that they are suing people, not prosecuting them. There is nothing stopping the RIAA suing people in the UK if they want to.

Take sensible precautions like the man suggests, use the privacy option, use a proxy if you feel so inclined. Don't be one of the lucky handful who are selected for interest.

Nice arse btw.

[DarkBlizzard]

a few weeks ago the riaa or something launched a new thing to get rid of p2p users and it said on fox news that on kazaa the number of people went down by 17% that first day because they were scared they would get caught. DAMN! 17% less files. Get your guns ....this is WAR!

[VDDZ]

1 million? Are you sure? At an average size of 5 mb per file that would be 5 million mb of music or 5,000 Gigs. I don't mean to come off as a dick, but DAMN! he'd have al hell of a lot of shit.

[AZnLiquidBoy]

For the people who think the RIAA are going 2 hack the users, you are wrong. RIAA dosent have the ability, But that dosent mean they cant get you in trouble. Since most people dont use Proxies the RIAA can get you ip and locate where you live. Its very simple to get your ip. They can just start to download form you and they got your ip! The Your IP gives them the ability to go to your house and arest you :( ....so go out rhere and use proxies...Astalavista (http://www.google.com) look under privacy and go get your self a proxie if you downlaod alot or have alot of mp3s :)

[3RA1N1AC]

stop that nonsense. they are not going to come to your house and arrest you. if they have your IP and proof that you are sharing illegal music files, they may get hold of your info from your ISP and sue you.

the RIAA are not the police. they are a private company.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@3 July 2003 - 12:47
a few weeks ago the riaa or something launched a new thing to get rid of p2p users and it said on fox news that on kazaa the number of people went down by 17% that first day because they were scared they would get caught. DAMN! 17% less files. Get your guns ....this is WAR!
in the lounge you want u.s. war against the arabs or the terrorists or whoever, over here you want war against american corporations and the u.s. gov't. make up your mind, 'cause you can't have it both ways.

p.s. get melodramatic much?

[iwalrus]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@4 July 2003 - 16:36
they may get hold of your info from your ISP and sue you.


I'm really not worried about getting sued/arrested for these reasons:


1. I don't download a whole hell of a lot of files to begin with.
2. I live in a little nothing town in Southern Indiana... I doubt the RIAA/MPAA would bother-- from what I understand it's mainly college campuses
3. As of this post, there are 3,404,207 people on Kazaa. They can't take us all, and what are the chances they'll target me? I don't have a thousand movies, songs, or any porn. I'm just a simple boy downloading his Anime and Beatles tunes.

So relax and download what you want; I highly doubt you'll get into any trouble.


Just don't leech or I will cancel you ass.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by iwalrus@4 July 2003 - 19:50
Just don't leech or I will cancel you ass.
with over 3 million people on kazaa, your threat sounds pretty empty. like any of us are going to run into you anyway. :lol:

[djflypson]

somebody knows a place where all lawsues (?) from over the entire small planet, concerning sharing, are listed ?
grtx

[vaughn_le]

You guys are scaring me... I don't know all these bs about suing and arresting me but all i have to say is.... "I HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY" I do what I do. But seeing how it is on the news and all these bs companies coming after users... It kinda gets to my head. I mean if you look at it, 1 or a million will be sued right? So whatever they sue 1 million? wouldn't i be part of that 1 million? Jeez... I don't download a lot, but when I do its usually a couple of gigs and I do leave my computer on for sharing, Is that an easy way for them to get me? I don't think so. I like the odds of 200,000,000 users sharing, but it wouldn't surprise me that all the 200 mill gets sued leaving all of us handicap from ever sharing again. I think all of us should take a stand! and let the base of one of the amendment be our cause... lol Its our right to do what we wish in our homes and our property. All all you guys/gals out of the USA... all i can say is... DAMN YOU SO LUCKY! lol later!

[2nd gen noob]

Originally posted by vaughn_le@6 July 2003 - 08:26
You guys are scaring me... I don't know all these bs about suing and arresting me but all i have to say is.... "I HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY" I do what I do. But seeing how it is on the news and all these bs companies coming after users... It kinda gets to my head. I mean if you look at it, 1 or a million will be sued right? So whatever they sue 1 million? wouldn't i be part of that 1 million? Jeez... I don't download a lot, but when I do its usually a couple of gigs and I do leave my computer on for sharing, Is that an easy way for them to get me? I don't think so. I like the odds of 200,000,000 users sharing, but it wouldn't surprise me that all the 200 mill gets sued leaving all of us handicap from ever sharing again. I think all of us should take a stand! and let the base of one of the amendment be our cause... lol Its our right to do what we wish in our homes and our property. All all you guys/gals out of the USA... all i can say is... DAMN YOU SO LUCKY! lol later!
200 million??

no chance

the number of users on kazaa is approx 4 million
there will not be a lot more on other p2p apps

also, the riaa can't afford to sue 1000000 people, it would simply cost too much

[aoyv73]

UK courts uk law and the eu so far they have no power here But nothing to stop them contacting you or your ISP uk has has there own bunch of clowns so far no one has been in court or banned a few have had there ISP tell them to stop downloading or uploading copy right stuff seems thats it so far.

[KEL]

So what now? We in the U.S. can now disable our file sharing without fear of being denied downloads?

Besides that, I hear the RIAA lost its suit against morpheus, see the link here:

http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml;$ses...articleid=10000 (http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml;$sessionid$TFPCPHDT2X345TN241HBCYY?articleid=10000)

If thats true then I foresee some problems in going after those that use programs like that. I mean its hard for me to see them successfully suing someone for using a program the court has already said is ok to use.

[Lazlow]

I apologise if this has been said before because I haven't read the beginning of this topic but according to some people, they have got messages from the RIAA saying "you are not anonymous and can easily be identified" is actually breaking privacy laws and therefore, they are breaking the law

[[B][O][T]]

Originally posted by KEL@6 July 2003 - 14:47
So what now? We in the U.S. can now disable our file sharing without fear of being denied downloads?
Options > More Options... > Prevent other users from getting a list of all your shared files.

BOT

[Lazlow]

Originally posted by KEL@6 July 2003 - 12:47
So what now? We in the U.S. can now disable our file sharing without fear of being denied downloads?

Besides that, I hear the RIAA lost its suit against morpheus, see the link here:

http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml;$ses...articleid=10000 (http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml;$sessionid$TFPCPHDT2X345TN241HBCYY?articleid=10000)

If thats true then I foresee some problems in going after those that use programs like that. I mean its hard for me to see them successfully suing someone for using a program the court has already said is ok to use.
Ok, so if they have stopped the court case againt Grokster, why doesnt everyone just move to Grokster?

[VB]

the number of users on kazaa is approx 4 million
there will not be a lot more on other p2p apps

4,5 million ACTIVE users at a given point of time.

A lot of filesharers only have their software turned on for a small period of time.

So the total number of users from All networks together (including IRC and usenet) is a multiple of lets say 8 million.

[vaughn_le]

200 million??
no chance
the number of users on kazaa is approx 4 million
there will not be a lot more on other p2p apps
also, the riaa can't afford to sue 1000000 people, it would simply cost too much

I don't mean 200 million kazaa users, i was refering to the statistics of 200 million filesharers hehe sorry.
My beliefs is that if the damn (pardon my lang.) industries didn't want us sharing, they should've not cheated us out of our money in the first place. I mean come on, a CD for 15 bucks? I can sing the damn song for free! They should've just sell each title for like 50 cent or something other than rippin the consumers off.
Then again, it's my beliefe hehe.

[spengler]

As some of people have mentioned, the RIAA can't press charges for criminal offences. The can sue, since they're a civil legal entity, and they can "tip off" the authorities. The RIAA is an organisation set up to help protect the rights of artists of many areas, not only in music. They do use some "over-aggressive" tactics and fight fire with fire (we blast their machines, they blast ours) but they don't break the law and they don't illegally invade anyones privacy.

It seems like "privacy" is a word that is nowadays used as an excuse for breaking the law and hiding the fact to cover their sorry ass. Privacy is the right to keep your existence secret and details of your existence secret providing you stay within the realms of the law. With rights come responsibility.

I am one of the few members of the P2P networks that shares material to which I have full copyright permissions. I am a music promoter and I aid in the distribution of audio for many local bands. I'm also real interested in Open Source software development and I therefore share software written by myself and the source for software such as Apache and parts of the Linux kernel. I don't share any illegal materials and I don't approve of doing such. It's not your right to steal and redistribute the works of other parties, even if you o say you're "fighting for the freedom of speech". I'd never consider tipping off anyone but neither would I fight on the side of a thief.

If you need "privacy" then you can get it. I'd like to think that you wish to conceal your identity for legitimate reasons, but I understand this is unlikely to be the case. Anonymity is not difficult to achieve... Admins, trace my IP. Read through your logs. I'm I logging on from some ISP account in the UK? Well, that's the IP I normally use. Or is it one from Uganda? It's not hard to "hide your PC". Use an anonymous distributed proxy service or chain some unsecured Wingate proxies. There's loads out there. The loss in bandwidth is worth the gain in security.

[fearofthedark]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 13:38
The highest one was $7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.
:o 1 million????? That would take him something like 6 years to listen to his collection!

[sgiggy02]

[FONT=Optima] I hate to burst your bubble "toddiscool", but the Canadian government has already stated that they will persue anyone who is caught downloading copyrighted material in accordance with the RIAA. Granted, it will be the huge downloaders that are targeted, but do you want to take the chance? All they have to do is ask your Isp to have access to all logs and they are granted that pretty well without hesitation. And, all new phone and cable installations have access installed to aid the government in listening in on any communications! Big Brother really is watching. :ph34r:

[ilovepiano]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 13:38
The highest one was $7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.
1 million mp3's? How big was this guys hard drive? Take it that on average that each one was say 3.5-4Mb, then do the maths. That'd be about 4000Gb. Is it me or does that seem a little unlikely?

[VB]

It was probably divided among a couple of servers. It was on a college network.

[Ivesfreak007]

1. Am I safe in the UK? I don't download a lot of music

2. Just the music industry? Lets not forget CD-ROM games for £40, which must be about $50 in the states!

3. Who's ass is that in yo avatar paul, that is one nice ass!

[VB]

1. You are safe from the RIAA.
2. RIAA is music only. And only just popular mainstream artists.
3. Froukje de Both

[infamousalbo101]

I bet you half of the riaa workers use kazaa lite LoL and other p2p progs :P :P :P

[Aznmask]

after i read this article
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto...o/06252003k.php (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/06252003k.php)
i uninstalled Kazaalite...

i know my chance getting caught is low like Paul [Admin] described. BUt will my ISP provider [Comcast] will give them my privacy out? like waht file i have d/l.. that even more scary..

[Messican]

Damn RIAA...

[Moyo-SD]

:( im afraid RIAA doesnt find who you are just because how much u dnld or upload, they use IP detection and information sent by the user's ISP.

So hiding files in Klite is nothing. Just take care and use the PeerGuardian along KLite for higer security

[jamvan01]

I like the simple idea of blocking the list so that users cant see the files i am sharing. It gives me the privacy i need. If the list is blocked how can anyone see what i am sharing. :D :lol:

[brendandonhue]

Originally posted by vaughn_le@6 July 2003 - 16:42

they should've not cheated us out of our money in the first place.  I mean come on, a CD for 15 bucks?
Its comments like this that aggravate me. They did not cheat you out of your money. They did not force you to pay $15 for a CD. I doubt that most people on this board pay for CDs ever.
The artists and record labels created the music and CDs. They can charge whatever amount they want for it. If you think its too much, don't buy it. That doesn't give you the right to steal it. If you think a CD costs too much, and you buy it anyway, that is not them cheating you. You paid for the CD out of your own free will.

[Nightshadow76]

Unfortunately if you live in the UK, the RIAA can go through the BPI, the British branch of the company if they want to get hold of an "individual filesharer". I checked this out for myself by enquiring with the BPI and although they dont share the same drop in CD sales as the RIAA claim in America, they can act for them on that basis. The RIAA can get you nearly anywhere... sorry, but it doesnt look like even us Brits are immune.

[Dalegas]

Luckily, for us in South America, goverment has many other thing to do, than chasing filesharers.

[superblaat]

About the hiding shared files stuff. I don't think that's how they operetae. it's the downlaoding that counts.
And besides; if i were the RIAA I would make a couple of supernodes and index the files that way...

[romanticguy50]

:rolleyes: I have no use for the riaa and mpaa. I will Not stop filesharing. We are a powerful voice Screw the MPAA & RIAA

[Sparkle1984]

I have no use for the riaa and mpaa. I will Not stop filesharing. We are a powerful voice Screw the MPAA & RIAA

NICE ONE!!!! :lol:

[ThunderKnight]

I haven't heard anything yet about Imesh. I hadn't even heard of it till a few weeks ago. Are the RIAA going after that, too? Cuz, if they aren't, we can all just switch to that.

And there's something up with my K-Lite. It was working fine, but now it won't connect to anyone! It just say connecting, then more sources needed, then searching, and it repeats, never downloading a thing! :angry:

[Digital Jammer]

Recently my friends and I have been talking much about this subject of the RIAA taking down file sharer's ip addresses etc... and nobody really can agree on how not to be traced...

I love Kazaa lite, and I have installed the latest version that claims to hide one's ip address. But for me and many other concerned (parnoid?) people like me, we are starting to look at other p2p browsers for the most SECURED one.

The latest p2p software to peak my interest is Earthstation 5. http://www.earthstationv.com/

It seems to go further to protect one's identity than Kazaa Lite has dared too.

[opivy]

Why do you people keep saying there invading your privacy? thats like saying that if you robbed a bank and stashed all the money in your house the police couldnt search your house. You steal music and I steal music the secound you do it you give up your right to privace because you broke the law.

[VB]

Originally posted by opivy@21 July 2003 - 05:16
Why do you people keep saying there invading your privacy? thats like saying that if you robbed a bank and stashed all the money in your house the police couldnt search your house. You steal music and I steal music the secound you do it you give up your right to privace because you broke the law.
The police does need a search warrant...

[asianmarine1]

Replying to your reasons for not be afraid of the copywriters.
check out this information first then decide if you should still use kazaa (http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/062503_b.asp)

what do you think paul? :blink:

[evildon]

I live in the us. Over 900 federal supenas went out this week. Including one to a grandfather and a 14yr old girl. Comcast(my provider) didn't even put up a fight in court. Rolled over and just gave them their subscriber list that matched the ip's that the riaa offered. According to what I saw...100 songs and above are what they are looking for. I am so new at this..I have heard of proxy's but don't know how to get one or if they cost...? or if they would even work? i was looking at other P2P stuff...might try that ES5 thingie..but I have always like K....hate to hafta leave....is anything being done? or is K just gonna write off the us?

[evildon]

I don't evn d/l music files...but I want to share the legal cd's that I have purchased with others!..Especially some of the more ecceltic or rare songs/artists that I have. I know of some songs that i have not been able to buy anywhere else that at least i have a chance to get on here.

I feel like i would give others a chance to listen to some group or song that they might not even have heard of...

and whats next? movies?...and yes the RIAA does want to regulate cd burners and dvd burners..either hardware or software....so that u have permission to copy stuff...

[contour69]

Originally posted by Paul_NFFC@20 June 2003 - 15:54
1million mp3s!!
:lol: I've got close to that!!

[xlokix]

how can they target people who download tv shows and movies? i thought they're objective was mp3's...i dont know much but i dont think they will target people for movies and tv shows, for 1, theres no way you can get a tv show, and u dont pay for the tv show so i dont know why its illegal to download something thats free in the first place

movies are another story :rolleyes:

[Sondan]

OK all,
After reading all of this, what is the best way to protect yourself against this?? I have seen a few posts but put this in "Protection for Dumbies" terms please.
Signed,
Sondan

[[email protected]]

Originally posted by xlokix@27 July 2003 - 02:37
how can they target people who download tv shows and movies? i thought they're objective was mp3's...i dont know much but i dont think they will target people for movies and tv shows, for 1, theres no way you can get a tv show, and u dont pay for the tv show so i dont know why its illegal to download something thats free in the first place

movies are another story :rolleyes:
watch a tv show til the very end and you will see a little copyright sign. This means that only whoever copyrighted it and only them can decide when it is copied and shown. where the riaa fits in, no clue, I think they are just pissed at the blaten disregard of copyright law all around.

[dryice]

just wondering, can you get used for owning classical music? my provider is comcast, and i've been hearing that if you have over 100 mp3's you can get... busted? I have 26 classical songs and 99 other songs, just might be my luck :D

[4play]

i dont think classical music is copyrighted.

i know in europe the copyright only lasts 50 years so :D

[Decoy Octopus]

Ok quick question about IP addresses:

If the RIAA gets an IP that is false, I'm under the impression that they can't do anything correct? Anyway, what I'm getting at is this: America Online gives its users fake IPs, and a different fake IP each time they sign on. So does this mean that AOL users are safe in the first place? I was just curious.

[evildon]

I would assume that the AOl servers hafta talk to your real IP sooner or later so they(AOL) would hafta have a list somewhere that tells there servers that this fake IP is really the other one..I think the fake ip is just to help on spam. RIAA would just suppena AOL for that list....and match your fake one to yours...unless the fake ip changes day to day...

I know that these two providers have been hit..Comcast and XO communications...(whoever in the hell that is).....I guess we could do an informal polland see if anyone can list any more

[angel14]

Originally posted by vaughn_le@6 July 2003 - 15:42

I mean come on, a CD for 15 bucks? I can sing the damn song for free! They should've just sell each title for like 50 cent or something other than rippin the consumers off.

I'm not standing up for the record companies or anything but only like 8% of the cd's they release each year make enough profit for the company to run. The reason to this is because that lots of people don't bother paying for music. So i guess its pretty hard to sell cds for 50cents each.

***I think that everyone should just shut up. For people who argue that cds are too expensive, thats because not enough people buy cds so that they could be sold for 50cents each and make a profit. Maybe you could go out and buy a cd for the first time in your life.
And for people who are selling the cds at a rip off price, well you can shut up too because you're selling cds at a rip off price.***

[mj5444]

[FONT=Arial] anybody hear about epix giving out there subscribers ips yet? cuz uh.. if they have there's one more person off the kazaa network

[dryice]

Is SBC/AOL giving out their user's IPs yet

Also, i have a question about peer guardian, how come every second i keep on getting attacked by frikin' adelphia ( arent they some cable company?)

[mj5444]

oh yea and read this forgot about it



Do you download MP3’s? If so the R.I.A.A. may have a nasty surprise up it’s sleeve for you. They have hired several software companies to come up with ways to effect swappers computers. Tactics could include attacks that slow or even halt a computers internet connection, and drastically increasing the flood of fake files on P2P networks. Also in the works maybe MP3’s that when played open a users internet browser and send them to a web page selling digital media, or a page that informs them of the laws they are breaking. The most alarming of the new assaults on P2P is the “lock up” plan. This would somehow embed code into digital media that would lock up a users P.C. for a period of time. This could be a few minutes, a few days or even weeks. Restarting the machine could cause loss of data. The R.I.A.A. could really cause damage to an already tarnished image, if they go ahead with this plan. Biting the hand that feeds you has long been considered a risky business move at best. Many of these plans on the drawing board would require changes in the law that allow organizations like the R.I.A.A. and M.P.A.A. to attack file swappers computers without risk of breaking the law. Many feel that the next move in this online copyright cyber war will be these firms going after users. Since last month a California judge ruled that file-sharing services Grokster and Morpheus were not guilty of copyright infringement



quite scary about the fakes on kazaa but how would they attach these programs to songs? i think there just bluffing i got it from http://www.kazaalinkz.com/modules.php?name...=article&sid=37 (http://www.kazaalinkz.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=37)

[cosmic doobie]

they disable my machines and i'll disable their life supply :lol:

[ratcomp1974]

Originally posted by 4play@27 July 2003 - 21:15
i dont think classical music is copyrighted.

i know in europe the copyright only lasts 50 years so :D
It's not the publishing/writing credit rights that are at issue here; it's the rights to the recording. It makes no difference whatsoever when the music was written. Otherwise, why would anyone buy it? If it was recorded more than 50/70/whatever years ago, all well and good.

Cheers,
Rat.

[ratcomp1974]

Originally posted by mj5444@29 July 2003 - 19:19
oh yea and read this forgot about it



Do you download MP3’s? If so the R.I.A.A. may have a nasty surprise up it’s sleeve for you. They have hired several software companies to come up with ways to effect swappers computers. Tactics could include attacks that slow or even halt a computers internet connection, and drastically increasing the flood of fake files on P2P networks. Also in the works maybe MP3’s that when played open a users internet browser and send them to a web page selling digital media, or a page that informs them of the laws they are breaking. The most alarming of the new assaults on P2P is the “lock up” plan. This would somehow embed code into digital media that would lock up a users P.C. for a period of time. This could be a few minutes, a few days or even weeks. Restarting the machine could cause loss of data. The R.I.A.A. could really cause damage to an already tarnished image, if they go ahead with this plan. Biting the hand that feeds you has long been considered a risky business move at best. Many of these plans on the drawing board would require changes in the law that allow organizations like the R.I.A.A. and M.P.A.A. to attack file swappers computers without risk of breaking the law. Many feel that the next move in this online copyright cyber war will be these firms going after users. Since last month a California judge ruled that file-sharing services Grokster and Morpheus were not guilty of copyright infringement

quite scary about the fakes on kazaa but how would they attach these programs to songs? i think there just bluffing i got it from http://www.kazaalinkz.com/modules.php?name...=article&sid=37 (http://www.kazaalinkz.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=37)
As far as I'm aware, they couldn't possibly 'effect' (sic) my computer with mp3s. Possibly they could fool some people with double file extensions, but it's a bit of a stretch.

Cheers,
Rat.

[elnomad]

Originally posted by VDDZ@4 July 2003 - 00:49
1 million? Are you sure? At an average size of 5 mb per file that would be 5 million mb of music or 5,000 Gigs. I don't mean to come off as a dick, but DAMN! he'd have al hell of a lot of shit.
5,000 gigs is 5 TERAbytes. Now, I wonder how that student managed to have money to get kind of harddisk. Come on, that's 5, 1 is already bad enough! (usually only large companies would have the *need* to use that much space).

Don't come telling me he's got multiple Harddisks, cos now 'normal' HDDs are mostly around 200gb only, that means he would have ... too many HDDs!

As for CDs/DVDs, well, don't even think of it.

~as for my own 2 cents, the 'music' industry (or as what they claim to be) better start producing nicer stuff to hear (and to buy) if they want anything from this. imho when some ppl become too much of a star, they see stars and they start losing stardom (and still think they're on top of the billboards...)

[mj5444]

5,000 gigs is 5 TERAbytes. Now, I wonder how that student managed to have money to get kind of harddisk. Come on, that's 5, 1 is already bad enough! (usually only large companies would have the *need* to use that much space).

Don't come telling me he's got multiple Harddisks, cos now 'normal' HDDs are mostly around 200gb only, that means he would have ... too many HDDs!

As for CDs/DVDs, well, don't even think of it.

~as for my own 2 cents, the 'music' industry (or as what they claim to be) better start producing nicer stuff to hear (and to buy) if they want anything from this. imho when some ppl become too much of a star, they see stars and they start losing stardom (and still think they're on top of the billboards...)

He'd have to have a mainframe in his little teeny tiny dorm... dont you think that might have caused a bit of suspicision?? :P

[Messican]

RIAA :angry: ...

[rick4ang]

Originally posted by dryice@29 July 2003 - 17:55
Is SBC/AOL giving out their user's IPs yet

Also, i have a question about peer guardian, how come every second i keep on getting attacked by frikin' adelphia ( arent they some cable company?)
I just heard that SBC Communications Inc. said Thursday it had filed suit to stop a flood of recording-industry court orders that seek to track down Internet users who might be illegally copying music.

Check out this link:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/31/technology...subpoenas.reut/ (http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/31/technology/music_subpoenas.reut/)

[evildon]

the MPAA announced today it will also try to target movie files that are being shared...the busted someone sharing the Hulk...? and now are moving into P2P..although they seemed to say that they weren't gonna be as tough or as sue happy as the RIAA....they are gonna start some new ad campaign to fight it as well...

[Adster]

I wish them good luck their gonna need it ;)

[podgey]

1 million :blink:

[staubber]

The RIAA is a private org as opposed to a Gov org. They can only sue. The courts are full and backlogged. In prison we took advantage of that fact. RIAA will only take afew cases to trail ever.

[Maphael]

The matter with the student wasn't that he possessed 1 million mp3's but that he created a search engine that allowed the various students that were on the campus to locate any shared files including mp3's.
That pretty much sucked as Grokster and Morpheus were not held liable for the uses of their software and this student was.
THe RIAA wants to stop file sharing of music and as is is not illegal to possess a copy of a song that u do not own the only way that they can curtail this trend is to stop the "illegal" distribution of copyright material via law suit which unfortunately they are allowed to because digital media is not considered in the same context as analog media.
Analog media may be copied as per fair use and as long as it is not sold...ie competition with the RIAA, may be traded ro given away. This is why a radio station may transmit a signal and have it copied by the listener and not invoke the RIAA's wrath.
Digital media is relatively new to the consumer and hasn't the growth period for the political landscape to understand what it truely is. The RIAA has taken advantage of this and basically snowballed the government into believing that a mp3 at 128kbits is an identical copy(perfect replica) of the analog song and can be replicated indefinately with out quality loss.
As anyone with a good ear can tell u a 128kb mp3 is NOT identical to the CD quality song and is much closer to the quality u would recieve from the radio.
In essense the same rules that applied to cassettes should apply to mp3's but since the RIAA have gotten there first we poor humble music lovers will have to wait and hope the polliticians finally get it right.

[chalkmongoose]

You do, of course, realize, that with Bush the Thief in office, all the RIAA has to do is offer to back his re-election campaign, and he'll be glad to accuse France of terrorism, and attack them, subsequently imposing martial law and removing France of all file-sharers, delegating them to live in slavery on an Alaskan fur-trading outpost.

This may seem excessive, but hey, I&#39;m going with the flow. The way people react to the RIAA, I feel that such actions are what people expect these days. <_<

[wwwtopdjcom]

there is one way to stop it , start donating money to the actual musicians
bypassing the riaa same with the movie companys if the movie is good they get direct donations for that movie if it sucks the get almost nothing, same with songs
you pay the musician directly even pay pal would work , If I downloaded a really good song I would not have have a problem sending a buck to the artists
but Im not gonna give them 14.99 for a full album the I only want 1 song on
the artist only gets a buck for each album anyways
then the riaa will go out of business when the artist realize they dont need them

[cpt.mars]

watch a tv show til the very end and you will see a little copyright sign. This means that only whoever copyrighted it and only them can decide when it is copied and shown. where the riaa fits in, no clue, I think they are just pissed at the blaten disregard of copyright law all around.

you can record a TV show off of your VCR legally can&#39;t you? what&#39;s the difference between recording a TV show, and downloading one??

[Amplifier_SFH]

Technically it&#39;s illegal to record off TV <_< Still doesn&#39;t matter they can&#39;t stop it.

[sk8erfox805]

i got caught by the MPAA :( i have more than 200 movies and last month i recieved an email from my isp sayin that if i dont stop using bittorent they were gonna cancel my account, and after that email they showed me the proof that i download 2fast 2furious from bittorent .. showed my IP and everything, so i dont wanna d/l movies from bittorent&#33;

it kinda sucks

[Grimlock]

Originally posted by Paul+21 July 2003 - 09:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul &#064; 21 July 2003 - 09:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-opivy@21 July 2003 - 05:16
Why do you people keep saying there invading your privacy? thats like saying that if you robbed a bank and stashed all the money in your house the police couldnt search your house. You steal music and I steal music the secound you do it you give up your right to privace because you broke the law.
The police does need a search warrant... [/b][/quote]
The police only need a reasonable suspicion to do just about anything. If they see you go into your house with a big garbage bag full of marijuana. You are not safe just because you are in your house. Search warrants are for times when the police have no proof or are not sure what you are doing. Which is not the case if they get a copy from your ISP saying that you are downloading copyrighted files. People are so deluded about this subject. Yes reproduction of copyrighted materials is a crime. No you will probably not get caught, but if you do you will pay for it. I doubt anyone was sharing 1 million mp3s this is just a rumour and it makes small time sharers feel more comfortable so it has spread. I seriously doubt that if "they" catch you pirating copyrighted materials either to someone or from someone that they are going to say "oh well he/she is only sharing a few files. Better let them get away with it." The bottom line is this the ship is sinking and if we want to keep our grubby hands on free media we will have to either revolt (which is highly unlikely from most of the spineless posts I have read on this site) or we will have to evolve and I think we already may be (earthstation 5 seems like it may be a better bet than most of the stuff out there so far). Anyways don&#39;t get me wrong I like free media as much as the next guy but i think the idea of paying the artists directly is a good one. Now we have to get it out there.(who will go to the bargaining table for the thieves?) Probably through the media (the other biggest criminal force in history) call your local newspaper and tell them that there are alternatives out there to piracy but no one is looking into them. If you want the politicians to do something they work a lot faster with a few newspapers (covering a popular story) breathing down their necks. Anyways I don&#39;t leave a lot of posts on here and I do apologize for the length of this one (I&#39;m sure someone will pick some minor detail from it and get everyone off topic anyway). But in closing I would just like to say "ME AM GRIMLOCK LEADER OF DINOBOTS&#33;&#33;&#33;"

[puk:))]

living in the uk its much more likely that i&#39;ll hear from my isp first before i start getting letters from people like the riaa & mpaa.

simple answer.......... change your isp.

& anyway... until the new copyright laws are passed by the european parilment in october the british copyright people (i forget there name) arnt doing anything. :D

[k-liteuserintheworld]

Originally posted by puk:))@11 August 2003 - 15:55
living in the uk its much more likely that i&#39;ll hear from my isp first before i start getting letters from people like the riaa & mpaa.

simple answer.......... change your isp.

& anyway... until the new copyright laws are passed by the european parilment in october the british copyright people (i forget there name) arnt doing anything. :D

i&#39;ll drink to that god bless the UK :beerchug:

[p2p_rulez_4eva]

i dont know how possible this is but my idea would be to start a group (think of how many p2p members there are) of the p2p users who are competent hackers to threaten that any attempt at hacking into their systems would result in a more devastating attack (and if you attack their chipsets the hardware would need replacing just change the settings of the power levels and de-activate the fans in the bios and fry the cpu) i wonder what the riaa would say to that

a good letter would be,

Dear sir/madam

a recently passed bill (assuming it is passed) has given you permission to hack into our systems and delete/corrupt files,

The people here at (whatver you call the group) are giving prior warning that any attempt to do so will result in retaliatory attacks upon your own systems from each member of the group.

yours sincerely

(whatever the group name is)

[opivykid]

I&#39;d learn how to hack just to be a part of that. Go for it man.

[Tweakish]

I read about hacking websites once. It sounded really hard :unsure: And all the hacker websites I went to wanted me to sign up. Ya right like i&#39;m gonna sing up for a hacker website :lol:

[internet.news]

hello,

although the possibility of getting caught is less high, if someone
will get caught I will continue offering these persons to share my thoughts
and CONCERNS openly with them.

MEANS: If you get caught you can trust me and share your thoughts openly
with you, OFFLINE, cause it is more important - and if you have any
concerns OR ISSUES I will try to help you as far as I can also if I could only
to your problems :) but to have nice talk or walk together is much more wonderful
than being alone. It is a better feeling also if you get caught not to be alone -
so IF YOU GET CAUGHT YOU CAN COME TO ME NOT TO BE ALONE :) And you are not alone :) AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS OPENLY WITH ME :)

I am living in Nuremberg - Germany - Europe - Earth ...

thanks anyway, david.

[tubeamp]

All you RIAA lush a@@@ can kiss my Bu@@

They have been ripping off innocent victims for years &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; When I was 14 years old I joined the RCA Record Club thru the mail. This had to be like in 1962 when this promo hit my fav magazine.

"5 LP&#39;s for 99 cents"or some sh@t like that ... hell I was 14 I had 99 cents ... so I ordered ... got my 5 LP&#39;s and was happy&#33;

Then, like a week later a get a letter saying "If you DO want the Album of the Month", .. Don&#39;t bother mailing this card back. (the secret)

I remebered a couple , but they came so often .... so being 14 .. I forgot some&#33; I receievied some South American Jazz album with a bill for 8 or 9 dollars back then (shipping included)

3 weeks later I get another letter .. same deal .. different crummy album.

Before long, I had a Sh@t load of crummy albums and my bill to RCA was &#036;78 and they were threating to sue me&#33;

Being 14, in those times I was very stressed out; That I was actually going to be sued &#33;&#33;

My Mother walked up on me one of those days I was reading one of those threating letters I had just got out of the mail box from RCA.

She said "What are you reading ?" .. she saw the stress on my face and jerked the letter out of my hand and read it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; She was furious &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Some dumb company is going to sue her Son &#33;&#33;

She wrote a nasty letter to RCA, informing them that they could not SUE a minor&#33;&#33;&#33;
Never heard a another word from them.
How many many people did they fraud funds from ????

You think the artist got any any of that money ?? HA

The RIAA have been ripping off artist and buyers for years &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Some of you dumb butts call us thieves ... you do not NO what a thief is&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

I DL 60&#39;s and 70,s Sh@t that can&#39;t be bought in my local store ....

RIAA bite my as@

I will fight to the END &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[jimmyjimjames]

I think i know how they are getting our IP

(IP: internet protocal number, its like a phone number, but its for computer and with an IP they can find out who and where we are)

Ok, if you want to download something on p2p or wait for an upload.

When you start downloading / uploading do this experiment:

Instructions: (type in words without ")

Click Start, go to Run
and type "command" and now when the command window comes up
type "netstat"

now a list of IP&#39;s or something similar will popup

This is scary isnt it?? :(

Make sure you have a FIREWALL and/or have NORTON INTERNET SECURITY

( a firewall makes your REAL IP hide, while showing a fake IP)

(I hope what i just posted above is not illegal etc, This information is for personal experiements and evidence how RIAA get your IP. An Admin can take this off if you think its not suitable for sharing :unsure: )

Thanks B)

[Xanex]

A fire wall will not hide yor IP, you need a proxy for this. A firewall will just block access in/out of ur PC unless u allow the program/service.

A fire wall examines the data being sent and recieved to and from your PC. if someone trys to send you data (port scan/probe etc) and the firewall doesnt expect this then it just ignores the data. This stops people from finding out what programs/services/OS/etc from you machine and thus checking for open ports to which they can try to hack you from. It effectively is a big bouncer on the door of a nite club or to that effect. It protects your PC from unorthorised connections in and out. Or its like accessing the internet behind a smoked window, you are hidden when viewed from afar but get in close enough and you can see in.

Your IP is broadcasted when you do almost anything on the net, if it didnt and you had a fake IP like you suggested then you would not be able to do much since you would be sending data with a diff IP addy attatched to it, and some poor sap out there will be getting your data instead.

I do agree IMO norton Internet security is one of the best home firewalls + AV around for useablitity , cost and features.

PLZ read the FAQ for info on proxys Im sure there is a topic there, since i&#39;ve never needed to read it i cant tell for sure


Instructions: (type in words without ")

Click Start, go to Run
and type "command" and now when the command window comes up
type "netstat"

now a list of IP&#39;s or something similar will popup

This is scary isnt it??

This is only relevent to the most recent versions of windows only, it shows the list of current connections , but it doesnt show the program accessing that connection. Most firewalls provide this data for you to see,norton does, and some connections are legit anyway , plz dont try to scare people. :D

Anyone has any questions plz feel free to PM me

Xanex

[skbrown]

[SIZE=14]Notwithstanding the earlier post; it appears that they are targeting file sharers with 1,000+ files and/or downloads. Does the fact that KaZaA lite shows a participation level of 10,+++ put such KaZaA lite file sharer at significant risk of RIAA attention? Thanks for all responses&#33;

[jimmyjimjames]

Originally posted by Xanex@9 September 2003 - 20:45
plz dont try to scare people. :D

Anyone has any questions plz feel free to PM me

Xanex
Well...im not always right about my information

" I stand Corrected " :D

Thanks anyway, you have also taught me something new.

Jim

[Grimlock]

I would have to say that the thousand plus files thing is a myth to keep small time sharers comfortable. Personally I think it is bull. I mean do you really think they set a number on how many copyright enfringements are"OK". I&#39;m pretty sure if they find anything that is copyrighted on your computer they are not going to let it slide. That just makes no sense to me. Does it make any to anyone else?

[j4y3m]

Not Really....Thats Like Saying Oh He Has Only 100 Songs We&#39;ll Sue This Guy With 200 :blink:

[jeeves]

hi. i&#39;m new to this whole thing...and there also seems to be a lot of misinformation out there (like the RIAA only targets ppl who download tons of files each day)...who exactly are the RIAA suing? are they just targeting ppl who "illegally" share files? or people who download? or ppl who possess mp3s? (what if i own the cd and ripped the songs myself?) also, if i move my music to a different folder, can they still find out if i have "illegal" songs? and for that kazaalite option thingy that doesn&#39;t allow ppl to get my entire shared folder- how much protection does it give? sorry if these questions have already been answered somewhere else..

[casfina]

I think it&#39;s time to be careful&#33;

But I have followed your advice&#33;&#33;&#33;

BTW -

Wouldn&#39;t it be a good idea if a paypal fund was set up for the RIAA victims?

Good PR and good for our "community" Ill start it with a £5

The whole issue for me is that stealing and sharing are fundametally wrong, but the music industry has been exploiting people for too long, if they developed new revenue models they would still make the cash, as long as they focus on delivering quality new product rather than pop-idol regurgatated shite.

The industry should change and it could recover from it&#39;s pathetic luddite decision to fight napster rather than embrace the opportunity, a graduate business studies student would probably have done a better job&#33;&#33;&#33;

I for one would have paid proposed Napster subscription based service that Bertelsmann (BMG) invested money in through the deal with Napster. I wonder how many people would have paid £25 pcm to have unlimited access to Music downloads of 128kbts? loads I imagine.

The industry would have had a ongoing revenue base, reduced costs, superb customer knowledge, consequent direct marketing opportunities to sell ringtones, concert tickets and merchandise, it could have been incredible but they decided to make it into a war...

In war there are casualties in this case profits and now consumers like you and me... just like prohibition in the 20&#39;s all this did was force the culture underground, once the culture of changing your file sharing program every few months was bedded in (as they shut it down, napster, morpheus/limewire, audiogalaxy, kazaa etc) there wasn&#39;t a way back...

What a giant missed business opportunity, &#036;0 distribution costs, 0&#036; marketing inventory costs, perfect consumer knowledge and relationship marketing...

Make the music, shoot the video, organise the tour and upsell&#33;

However If they want a war lets man the defences, lets start this fund for the RIAA victims and somebody come up with an IP address hiding P2P what about you boys here at K+++?

[stevedude]

ok, I don&#39;t get this at all&#33; Why is the riaa attacking the customers&#33; Plus, part of the reason this whole thing is happening is because people dan&#39;t want cds with one artist, no one wants that&#33; People want a cd with their favorite atists&#33; So who&#39;s to blame? The record companies&#33; They had no marketing plans&#33; Couldn&#39;t they see this coming? I mean, they could have launched a system where you make your own cd right at the store&#33; Plus, They make the cds for about a dollar each. (maybe lower.) So they are making about 15x or more profit off these cds when you don&#39;t even want some of the songs&#33; So.. Lets do the math here... if they were to sue me for how much THEY actually lost.. I have 250 songs... about 15 songs on a cd.... A dollar a cd.... OH MY GOD&#33;&#33;&#33; Their going to sue me for &#036;16.66&#33; But no&#33; They add on all thesebut no the actual amount is about &#036;3,000&#33; For god sakes, their making more profit off this lawsuit stuff than the cds themselves ever were making. well I don&#39;t live in America so I guess it doesn&#39;t really matter to me.... Yet.

[rahhh]

There is a problem with paying the artists. i believe that when a record company offers a artist a contract part of the contract requires that the artist turns his copyrights over to the record company, therefore paying the artist would not help the problem.

[Grimlock]

I think people need to start finding artists who put their music on line for free right now and spreading the word about the good ones. Why are we still eating the shit the recording industry shovels down our throats. So man posts on here are complaining about the quality of the music being released by recording industry artists. It&#39;s time to find some alternatives. I think it would make a great addition to this forum to have a verified free artists section endorsing sites and artists that are releasing good quality stuff on klite and all over the net. I mean the only reason most people like "hits" are cause they hear them on the radio so much. It&#39;s time to stop being brainwashed.

This way we can make them lose a huge chunk of their profits, still listen to great new music that has heart , and win back the people who don&#39;t share out of fear(since they would be only sharing free music anyway and not too mention new people who were afraid thus far).just means more sources on kazaa for me and you.


I&#39;m not saying JUST do this(we could all still stick it to them by getting some of our old favorites for free too) but fuck them we could probably find and endorse some pretty damn good alternatives to their Christina Have-no-hair-a&#39;s and Creed clones.

[nikita69]

hopfully enough new member read this post.
REMBER THIS, ONE TACTIC THE RIAA IS TRYING IS TO SCARE YOU BY STOPPING TO SHARE. THEN ONE BY ONE STOP SHARING AND EVENTUALLY WE WON&#39;T FIND ANY SOURCES TO DL. KEEP DEFAULT SETTINGS AS IS. AND FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL TIPS POSTED BY PAUL.

[cosmic doobie]

Their bully boy tactics and mass media attention is having an opposite affect as has been said before.
The more people are told not to do something the more people will rebel :P

It&#39;s what&#39;s called Human Nature &#33;

P2P will only get bigger with all the attention it&#39;s getting &#33;
So fill up those hard drives and SHARE B)

[downloader2008]

Um wasn&#39;t there 10 reasons before...? :huh:

[qaz_rich_qaz]

all i can say is fu** the RIAA and all thier fake files on our kazaa lite&#33; all these decent new songs are all chopped up and blank and fuzzed out... thier plan is stupid, its not making me stop downloading and sharing decent files, its just making me waste time... i always play the file in another mp3 player when it is half downloaded just to see if its right, last year i downloaded many Mp3&#39;s without a hassle.. in the last month i keep getting all these fake bullsh** songs, just makes thier music sound stupid and cheap.. why should i go and buy an entire album at &#036;15 - &#036;20 bux when all i want is one or two songs off it? you may be sick of reading this kinda message but its just true.. i ay we just keep sharing as usual, they cant do much, looking at my kazaa now there are 2,988,325 users online so i doubt that the RIAA will be able to do anything has anyone actually been caught by the RIAA coz im willing to bet most of the stories of people being caught are false, they are just tranna scare all you people..

[1Bullet]

I agree the risks are low, but the RIAA has installed their terror into many P2P sharers. The RIAA is suing 250 people that is less .0025% of all users. The users are all Kazaa only.(not Kazza Lite). Still damage has been down thru fear tactics.
If you want to get back at the RIAA, spread the word, don&#39;t buy a CD or go to movie in November 2003. Lets shift the fear back to the RIAA.

[vader]

Originally posted by HeavyMetalParkingLot+20 June 2003 - 15:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HeavyMetalParkingLot &#064; 20 June 2003 - 15:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Paul@20 June 2003 - 13:38
1) RIAA is an American organisation. They have absolutely no juristiction outside the USA.
But what everyone seems to forget is that the ones that the RIAA represent sell albums in all these countries. RIAA is part of the package. This gives them a mighty big foot in the door.

Unfortunatly, these countries governments aren&#39;t going to say "but our people want their free music, so they will have it" when it comes down to certain "contributions" whether monetary or otherwise. Hence anti-p2p laws can begin appearing.[/b][/quote]
Not in my Country . There would have to be a reforendom on the issue of the write to back up or copy owned material. It also incroaches on a similiar law in Canada that says as long as all equipment was purchased in Canada then any and all signals can be trapped because here we the people own the air waves unlike the U.S. where the sender of the signal owns the signal. And so, it&#39;s legal to download. Nobody hear is gonna spend 10-13 million on the question of "Should Canadians give up their exsisting write of ownership of the air waves." They wouldn&#39;t have a job the next term and the vote would be no anyway. Sorry but the rights of Canadians don&#39;t get shopped around like yours do in and out of legal changes every 24 hrs when a buisness with money snaps it&#39;s fingers. Our writes are ours and if you understood Canadian law better you would see why your comparisons to the norm in the U.S. can not apply here....Also the CRIA has no power accept to send me a letter saying please do not download copywrited material as it hurts the artists and everyone involved and that would be a canvassed letter to all because nobody hear has the write to spy, and our providers can not give out our names and info due to privacey restictions from my contract with them and even bigger restrictions from the Federal Privacey act that all buisnesses must adhere to . there said and done don&#39;t believe , do some reading then B)

[voodoohippie]

I&#39;d like to be able to use the proxy list that is posted in the ES5 forums but they are http proxies and the Socs2http program is not only sharware but you have to install some socsifier or some other damn thing. I don&#39;t understand how to make the Kazaa capture thing work either.

Voodoohippie

[Schklopp]

Originally posted by spengler@6 July 2003 - 16:15
The RIAA is an organisation set up to help protect the rights of artists of many areas, not only in music.
:x

Ahem... Are they protecting the rights of the artists (who get on average maybe 1-2% of the purchase price of a CD), or those who OWN the RIGHTS of said artists (who get an obtuse piece of the green pie)??? If artists were getting the share they truly deserve, you know... I would buy a lot more music. If I had a way of sending a dollar to every ARTIST whose music I download, I guarantee you that I&#39;d send at least a few bucks out there, into the hands of those who create the music.

Ok get this picture... think of the millions of dollars the Rolling Stones, for example, have raked in over the years. Now, if those millions are even a 5% cut of total record sales, you start to see how truly monstrous the :devil:s at the tops of the record companies have become. You sell your soul to make a deal with the devil for a 5% cut off of what he makes from you? Screw that, man. Keep your soul, go indy&#33; It&#39;s the only way. I&#39;ll bet you not a single independent artist feels as though their rights are being protected by the RIAA. You ask your favorite artists... do they believe that the RIAA should be pursuing this course of action?

I&#39;m not ripping off the artist. I&#39;m ripping off the record companies who are ripping off the artist.:zorro: This has nothing to do with the artist, who I support by paying to go see bands I enjoy play live. If you support the scene, you support the artist. The rights of artists have very little to do with what&#39;s really going on here. It&#39;s a bid for money and power. And I have ranted enough for one evening Thank you.

:beerchug:

[Grimlock]

I really enjoyed your post it was well thought out and intelligent. I just wanted to say that before someone made it lose all meaning by posting something like "wasn&#39;t there 10 reasons before?" *

cheers*

[Schklopp]

Originally posted by 4play@27 July 2003 - 21:15
i dont think classical music is copyrighted.

i know in europe the copyright only lasts 50 years so :D
Ok... classical music itself is not copyrighted. However, certain music publishers own copyrights on &#39;Editions&#39; of the sheet music, just as record publishers own copyrights on recordings of professional performances. Thus, if you download Beethoven&#39;s 9th symphony by the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra (published by Deutsche Grammaphon), you are in violation of copyright law, whereas if you download a recording of your cousin&#39;s violin recital you are probably not.

[McLaren]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 13:38
1) RIAA is an American organisation. They have absolutely no juristiction outside the USA.

2) Potential targets of the RIAA are only people who download and upload several GB per DAY.

3) Even if you are one of the few who download so much music, then Kazaa Lite has an option to hide your list of shared files. It will then look like you share nothing at all.

4) There are millions of people in the USA alone that participate in file-sharing. Everytime the RIAA is in the news, they have &#39;caught&#39; only a handfull of people (only 0 to 5 people per month&#33;). So your changes of getting &#39;caught&#39; are less than 1 to a million. Or virtually 0 when one of the reasons above applies.

5) Those few people that got &#39;caught&#39; usually only received a warning letter. There are only a few cases known of people who actually got a fine. The highest one was &#036;7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.


Conclusion: happy filesharing to everybody :lol:
Paul that avatar is making some of these member&#39;s *ping*&#33; you know what i mean. Not tryin to be perverted or anything like that.

[tracydani]

Originally posted by Grimlock@11 September 2003 - 21:31
I think people need to start finding artists who put their music on line for free right now and spreading the word about the good ones. It&#39;s time to find some alternatives. I think it would make a great addition to this forum to have a verified free artists section endorsing sites and artists that are releasing good quality stuff on klite and all over the net. I mean the only reason most people like "hits" are cause they hear them on the radio so much. It&#39;s time to stop being brainwashed.


That&#39;s a very good idea :) Has anyone started working on this?

Time to look in the music section.

TD

[djtranz]

Originally posted by Paul_NFFC+20 June 2003 - 15:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul_NFFC &#064; 20 June 2003 - 15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Paul@20 June 2003 - 14:38
The highest one was &#036;7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.



:o 1million 1mp3s&#33;&#33; [/b][/quote]
Holy f**ken shit 1 mil. I thought i had a lot of files. Cough 50 gigs of trance cough

[Gre1]

DJ I was just about to tell u to come here and read but I see u found your way.

[Auburn_Tygaz]

I’ve been reading over these posts for months and now finally have the some free time to add my 2cents to this issue. It humors me a little to read how some of these K++ users who post to this forum and some appear so overly paranoid sometimes.

Anyway, I’ve seen lots of queries in some of these posts where a lot of filesharers are inquiring about PC security. While it is useful to utilize software progs such as firewalls, proxies, etc., the true wild card through all of this WILL be the ISPs. I check out that list of court orders issued to some of these providers and there are still a LOT that are unlisted, in particular, the ones that are also telephone providers (such as mine).

ISPs will have to do more in the upcoming years to help ‘privatize’ their customers from Big Brother RIAA. I work for Verizon Online DSL tech support and I’m finding a disturbing pattern when I troubleshoot some of their customers. Quick Internet for dummies lesson: most of you out there probably already know that residential broadband users receive their IPs dynamically (or automatically & randomly) from what is known as the DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) server. Theoretically, dynamic IP shuffling is supposed to be like drawing a number from a hat, meaning that practically you’re getting a different one each time. So basically any one computer should receive a different IP address @ least every 24hrs IF NOT every time you log back on to the web. How this relates to filesharing is that this makes it a little more difficult for our ass-sniffing nemesis to try and pin any one computer to a specific IP address.

All Verizon IPs start with the octet of 4.x.x.x, I’m noticing that customer’s IP’s are not changing like true dynamic configurations and their IP’s appear to be almost static (non-changing, leased IP), which Verizon reserves for their business consumers’ accounts. I was viewing an escalated issue one customer had sometime approx 4 days ago, and we checked his IP to see if a connection was established, the customer had the same IP as was left on the account notes 4 days ago. Some brainiac called in Tuesday wanting to know why his IP hasn’t changed in almost 3 weeks. Needless to say it left me with hunched shoulders. With my ISP, they have us setup behind a true router at the central office which always broadcasts 192.168.1.1 in my network stack whether I’m behind my router at HOME or not; unless I’m browsing the web, which then a real network IP is broadcasted. (For the benefit of the novice a 192.168.x.x IP address indicates a small private network that is connected by a router or a switch.) This is something they’ve been doing for about the past two & a half years now, so it’s not something new they’ve just started because of the mp3 crackdown. Only, however, when I’m actively using the Internet is my IP displayed. Our IPs rotate every 24 hrs if not every other Internet session after rebooting the PC. Currently I’m trying to locate more anonymous proxies so that I can only broadcast a dummy IP always. :ph34r:

So from what I understood when I talked to them, it’s a little harder to pinpoint someone specifically on their network unless a person is downloading files as if the Internet will be gone tomorrow; and that kinda helped put my mind at ease a bit.

I notice now that K++ updates their prog quite regularly now, which is even more helpful for us. Unified as the filesharing community, I think it is in all our best interest to spread the word about this program since it is more likely to be the ‘last man standing’ prog after they prosecute whatever number of KMD users, thus instilling enough paranoia & fear in remaining users to make them abandon it. You’d be surprised how many don’t know about K++. A girl I work with was talking about the situation like she was going to make one last roundup of music with KMD at the O.K. Corral & then call it quits. Turns out I had to educate her about K++. Don’t know if she will heed my advice or not but that just goes to show that if more people knew about it, then it would definitely help our cause somewhat.

From what I’ve been reading and hearing, most peoples’ reasons for turning to file sharing is because of the outrageous CD prices. That wasn’t too much of an issue for me as I was able to shop around at various places in my area and purchase CDs for about &#036;4-6 less than what most normally pay. I DO agree that prices are kinda outrageous considering the REAL manufacturers cost to make a CD, but hey, let’s face it, we live in a capitalistic society that’s ruled by Dollar Almighty, Government and Big Corporations; that’s just the old fashioned American way.

My ordeal with filesharing goes like this; a little over 3 years ago someone broke into my car and stole my entire collection of 200+ CDs, some which I had since 1994.That marked the second time that my CD collection was stolen from me, and I said to myself & I, from that day forward, as long as I was able to do something about it, I refused to buy another CD again. Three years and counting and I’m still living up to my word.

I’m gonna end on this note, f%&#33;# the RIAA, MPAA, NCAA, NAACP, or whoever has a problem with filesharing becauz it don’t stop here. Filesharing is here to stay in the present, filesharing will be in our futures, so all they can do is like it, love it, and LIVE WITH IT….2 fingaz yall.

[internet.news]

it is nothing personal against these people at RIAA who do not share their thoughts openly - ok but it ijust my feelings - don&#39;t take it to serious: they can just kiss my...
I share 1015 Files at the moment, and if they want they should sue me - yes, come on and sue me if you want, but be sure I will tell you my opinion: there is more behind sharing, we have to share our thoughts openly to udnerstand each other better.

ok, thanks anyway, david.

* just my thoughts *

[internet.news]

"... we live in a capitalistic society that’s ruled by Dollar Almighty ..."

Yes, but if everyone would not share hisorher thoughts openly to udnerstand each
other better, this would not be good. And there is more behind sharing: "We have
to share our thoughts openly to understand each other better." (sha&#39;re@KaZaA)

On the other side you are right, if the artist of the CD is good I would support
him with money or any other help I can offer so he can contniue making good music :) But the problem for some people maybe: if you buy a cd in a shop the artist get less perentages per sold cd than the music company :(

But some artist who are not so well known yet also are selling their Cds on streets in my City Nuremberg (Europe) - means: directly. And when I support the artist he
get all the money :) all my help :)

thanks anyway, david.

[fastrider28]

OK OK... firtst of all... EVERYBODY should read the definition of Copyright -

cop·y·right ( P ) Pronunciation Key (Cop-p-rite)
n. Abbr. c. or cop.
The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work.

By definition, if you are not doing any of the following, there is nothing to worry about. Download all you want, make CD&#39;s for yourselves and friends, Hide your files being shared by use of K-lite&#39;s features. They are going after people who are sharing over 1000 files and after all they really don&#39;t have the jurisdiction to do so. According to the DMCAct of 1998:

Registration as a Prerequisite to Suit
The remaining technical amendment relates to the prohibition in both treaties
against conditioning the exercise or enjoyment of rights on the fulfillment of
formalities. Section 411(a) of the Copyright Act requires claims to copyright to be
registered with the Copyright Office before a lawsuit can be initiated by the copyright
owner, but exempts many foreign works in order to comply with existing treaty
obligations under the Berne Convention. Section 102(d) of the DMCA amends section
411(a) by broadening the exemption to cover all foreign works.

This means that in order for these Lawsuits to have been filed.... The copyright holders have to have filed a formal claim of Copyright and that the Artist or Copyright owner or his/her subsidaries and affiliates can file lawsuit against an individual. So if any lawsuit is to be filed, it has to be done by EACH and EVERY Copyright owner or his/her subsidaries and/or affiliates. The RIAA is not any of the above... They are not a Copyright owner, subsidary or affiliate. They are an organization with invested interests. They legally don&#39;t have the right to sue.... otherwise I can or you can sue any individual for the copyright of any materials...

Another point of interest is the following:

Any person injured by a violation of section 1201 or 1202 may bring a civil
action in Federal court. Section 1203 gives courts the power to grant a range of
equitable and monetary remedies similar to those available under the Copyright Act,
including statutory damages. The court has discretion to reduce or remit damages in
cases of innocent violations, where the violator proves that it was not aware and had
no reason to believe its acts constituted a violation. (Section 1203&copy;(5)(A)). Special
protection is given to nonprofit libraries, archives and educational institutions, which
are entitled to a complete remission of damages in these circumstances. (Section
1203&copy;(5)(B)).
In addition, it is a criminal offense to violate section 1201 or 1202 wilfully and
for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain. Under section 1204
penalties range up to a &#036;500,000 fine or up to five years imprisonment for a [/U], and up to a &#036;1,000,000 fine or up to 10 years imprisonment for subsequent
offenses. Nonprofit libraries, archives and educational institutions are entirely
exempted from criminal liability. (Section 1204(B)).

If you are one of the individuals involved in this lawsuit circus... Please take this advise and offer it to your lawyers. If your lawyers do not accept this information then they are not there fighting for you. Fire them and get a real attorney.

The DMCA can be downloaded in PDF version from the following Internet Web Site: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf

Please everyone, read this document and understand it, it can keep you from being sued and losing&#33;

[DenDen2004]

Originally posted by vaughn_le@6 July 2003 - 07:26
You guys are scaring me... I don&#39;t know all these bs about suing and arresting me but all i have to say is.... "I HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY" I do what I do. But seeing how it is on the news and all these bs companies coming after users... It kinda gets to my head. I mean if you look at it, 1 or a million will be sued right? So whatever they sue 1 million? wouldn&#39;t i be part of that 1 million? Jeez... I don&#39;t download a lot, but when I do its usually a couple of gigs and I do leave my computer on for sharing, Is that an easy way for them to get me? I don&#39;t think so. I like the odds of 200,000,000 users sharing, but it wouldn&#39;t surprise me that all the 200 mill gets sued leaving all of us handicap from ever sharing again. I think all of us should take a stand&#33; and let the base of one of the amendment be our cause... lol Its our right to do what we wish in our homes and our property. All all you guys/gals out of the USA... all i can say is... DAMN YOU SO LUCKY&#33; lol later&#33;
200mil? lol thats like suing almost every person in the US... (ok ok us has about 270mill people but you know what i mean) im afraid thats just not feasable.

[ilovepiano]

Just been reading through this thread and noticed someone was on about copyright with classical music. The copyright on a piece of music ie. the order of the notes, expires 50 years after the composers death. What does not expire is the copyright of the recording. Yeah, Mozart has been dead a while, you won&#39;t get in trouble making a remix of one of his concertos if you play the piano yourself, but if you sampled a recording then you would. The orchestra would not need permission to give a public performance, but if you share classical CDs you are breaking the law as much as anyone else. It is the recording that is copyrighted, not the music.

[CoolMac]

I&#39;ve got a question..... I live far outside U.S. RIIA whatever it is has no power on my country right? even if it does there&#39;s little possibilities of doing somethin?

[Cotton]

This sort of crap can soon become a universal throughout many countries just look at movie copyright laws they span over 85% of the world.

But all this bs is realy pissin me off im not scared of gettin caught cause i am 100% possitive im not going to get caught and if i do there is no way in hell im pay anything, first of all i dont know the price of Cds anywhere else but in Australia they want on average about &#036;30 for a dam CD now this is bs these greedie ass record companys can kiss my grits i refuse to pay this, &#036;10 is a reasonable price for a full cd but then i only want a few songs most of the time not full cd&#39;s, anyway i HATE u RIAA and im going to download more songs cause of all this shit and im going to start burning and selling cds u basteds.

Why arnt they going after Kazaa owners like they did with napster?

Man i hate these greedie PHUCKS

[Cotton]

Originally posted by CoolMac@8 October 2003 - 03:17
I&#39;ve got a question..... I live far outside U.S. RIIA whatever it is has no power on my country right? even if it does there&#39;s little possibilities of doing somethin?
Even if they do have power in your countrie there would be record companys in ur countrie they could fund to sue you(but they wont). Dont take shit from these fucks, But if you have alote of files your sharing or even worse a website letin dling of song files, just rig up your computer with some handy tools so they have nothing if they arrest u, eg. Registry Shreader (if its not runed of 15seconds after you comp starts BOM your Hd is erased, Encrpty you HD. The previous tips r only for peopl sharing massive amounts and r a legitamate target of the RIAA.

Send those Basteds to hell, DONT PURCHASE CD&#39;S, LET THESE BASTEDS STARVE.

[Sparkle1984]

Why arnt they going after Kazaa owners like they did with napster?


I thought they already were. If you search for news about it, you will find out.

But of course they&#39;ll never be able to shut down this network, because it&#39;s decentralised. :lol:

[Hobo King]

About the earlier thing on how the riaa isnt a copyright holder arnt they or employed by the people who distribute the music for sale Recording Industry Association of America mmmm sounds like someone who would have a copyright on music... Oh and where in the constitution does it say anything about the right to privacy, while i do think there should be one I read it and the only thing that you could even misconstrue as the right to privacy (14th amendment) is a pretty far fetch <_<

[Hobo King]

14th amendment is:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
-this is what i think they are trying to say is the right to privacy
:ph34r:

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.


Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

[faeryofpurejoy]

I have a (prob-y stupid) question. I was told that 56-K ppl wouldn&#39;t have to worry about the RIAA much because our IP&#39;s are not static. Is this true?

[Lord Anubis]

Yes 56k is generally none static and changes every time you dial in.

As for earlier when I read about some plan by them to produce fake music software files to crash youre computer, Well thats fkin out of order and not only that its highly illigal more so than filesharing.

They have allready made a total screw up of one of thier operations.

Read This Article (http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2003/09/24/recording_industry_withdraws_suit/)

and This (http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/24/1442246.shtml?tid=123&tid=126&tid=95&tid=99)


Cildar writes "In the &#39;oops&#39; category, the RIAA was forced to withdraw its suit against a 66 year old computer neophyte (read Apple User for god&#39;s sake) when they discovered she thought &#39;Kazaa&#39; was a magician playing at local kids&#39; birthday parties. The story is as reported in the Boston Globe." Update: 09/24

She owned a MAC for god sake, Kazaa doesnt work on a mac yet look what they accused her of.

W*****s man, Can somebody not dos the fkrs or hack em.

At the end of the day I dont see anything wrong with downloading songs for use on youre home pc, If you download loads of them then sell them and make profit from it then that is stealing and I have no problem with people getting in to trouble for it, If you download it and listen to it only on youre pc then I don&#39;t see a problem.

[MichaelEdwards]

"Yes 56k is generally none static and changes every time you dial in."

Yes, but there are time stamps for each different IP you use with dial-up, so it is still traceable, just with more information required.

[Auburn_Tygaz]

Originally posted by Lord Anubis@18 October 2003 - 14:24

She owned a MAC for god sake, Kazaa doesnt work on a mac yet look what they accused her of.

W*****s man, Can somebody not dos the fkrs or hack em.
I read that article & I had the feeling it was only a matter of time before a mishap like that one occurred. After all, their really isn&#39;t a "perfect system" for ANYTHING. For those who haven&#39;t read that article might wanna peep it. What really got to me was the arrogant half-azz apology they offered: "Please note, however, that we will continue our review of the issues you raised and we reserve the right to refile the complaint against Mrs. Ward if and when circumstances warrant" - Colin J. Zick, the Foley Hoag lawyer. In other words, &#39;We know we f&#036;%@ed up but we will continue to probe her as a just-in-case tactic so the error won&#39;t make us look bad.&#39; What a bunch of pompous jackazzes. Also when they discovered that she didn&#39;t have 2 cents of a clue of what filesharing was, they tried to use the kids possibly downloading music as an alternate suggestion. Her kids don&#39;t live with her. Besides, hmm let&#39;s see a 66-yr old woman make her &#39;kids&#39; about 30-40 something. I mean they claimed this 66-yr old SCULPTOR was downloading Trick Daddy&#39;s "I&#39;m a Thug." This little old lady lives in suburban Massachussetts and I doubt if she even knows who 2Pac, Snoop or even LL Cool J is less only Trick.

I guess this also reveals the credibility & the PC intelligence of the people the RIAA have employed to do their dirty work. If they would have done their homework, they would have known that Kazaa never has supported MAC systems. <_<

The RIAA is going to continue their random acts of stupidity and attempt to press charges against someone who has more legal smarts than the people they have currently caught and will end up countersuing them. The DMCA does not give the RIAA the right pursue people the way they are doing. For a little more research on that you can view the PDF on the previous post on the previous page.

To answer your question can the RIAA be hacked or DOS&#39;ed, it&#39;s possible but would be extremely difficult seeing as the RIAA scanners come from systems using false IPs, plus they also use the services of 3rd party companies that place spyware on your computer to monitor PC activities. So in essence it would help to know the companies the RIAA are tag-teaming with.

[handsup]

Whats about classical music. I mean real classical music like wagner, berlioz etc.
These guys died long time ago. Copyrights?

cu hands

[Auburn_Tygaz]

Originally posted by handsup@21 October 2003 - 21:40
Whats about classical music. I mean real classical music like wagner, berlioz etc.
These guys died long time ago. Copyrights?
Currently there are no legal copyrights to classical music. However that doesn&#39;t mean the RIAA won&#39;t cut any corners because of the genre

[logan_scott_05]

The highest one was &#036;7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.

Just had to say this:

It would take 5.7 years to listen to 1 MILLION mp3s with an average length of 3 minutes&#33;

[dogma]

hmmm. if it would take 5.7 years to listen to them wonder how long it took to DL them ;p

[Auburn_Tygaz]

Originally posted by logan_scott_05@22 October 2003 - 01:31
It would take 5.7 years to listen to 1 MILLION mp3s with an average length of 3 minutes&#33;
5.7 yrs??&#33; Why listen to all that music when you can just burn the ones you need to a CD & be about your business? Besides who has the time (or the lack of a life) to listen to that many songs?

[totallymadd]

:w00t: Haven&#39;t even thought 4 once, that RIAA or anybody would pursue me for my "ILLEGAL" mp3&#39;s here in Poland.
Antipiracy storm raised few yrs ago by media, passed through, and everybody has forgot about it.
Fuck&#39;em.... :ph34r:

[Money Fist]

RIAA dont scare me
its that damn BSA connection that my peer guardian keeps rejecting

(who knows maybe they are keeping logs on all rejected connections
and one day will change to a whole new IP then retry all rejected)

I HOPE THERE IS NOT P2P JUDGMENT DAY
BEING PLANNED

[bozbontins]

In europe only twats who mass download to make a profit with bootlegs(in other words abusing the ideals of P2P sharing) need fear the RIAA.
u may call me a whiner but im not chicken to show my excellent films to share and any twat who doesnt show their files will get F off from me&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :ph34r:

[Sid Hartha]

Originally posted by handsup@21 October 2003 - 21:40
Whats about classical music. I mean real classical music like wagner, berlioz etc.
These guys died long time ago. Copyrights?

cu hands
Not the music, but the recorded performance is copyright.

All those musicians in the orchestra - they eat, pay bills, etc.

[packman]

Originally posted by toddiscool@21 June 2003 - 06:09
I would count canada out of that list, and probably the rest. American laws are american laws. Our ISp&#39;s are still not aloud to give out our identities, our privacy is actually protected still (for how long who knows but right now it is). (canada that is)
Correct :)

That may be true but they still have the three stooges&#33;

http://www.liberal.ca/lpc/photos/QC/c24067.jpghttp://www.liberal.ca/lpc/photos/ON/c35029.jpghttp://www.liberal.ca/lpc/photos/ON/c35060.jpg

Jean Chrétien, Shawinigan, scary stuff. :lol: ;)

[internet.news]

Originally posted by Paul@20 June 2003 - 14:38
1) RIAA is an American organisation. They have absolutely no juristiction outside the USA.

2) Potential targets of the RIAA are only people who download and upload several GB per DAY.

3) Even if you are one of the few who download so much music, then Kazaa Lite has an option to hide your list of shared files. It will then look like you share nothing at all.

4) There are millions of people in the USA alone that participate in file-sharing. Everytime the RIAA is in the news, they have &#39;caught&#39; only a handfull of people (only 0 to 5 people per month&#33;). So your changes of getting &#39;caught&#39; are less than 1 to a million. Or virtually 0 when one of the reasons above applies.

5) Those few people that got &#39;caught&#39; usually only received a warning letter. There are only a few cases known of people who actually got a fine. The highest one was &#036;7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files.


Conclusion: happy filesharing to everybody :lol:
one million wow, how many gb and how many cds that would be ;)?

[snez]

I picked up an upload for a software file.. The user was [[DONT]][[[F..K]]][AROUND].. The upload was aborted. Scared the pants off of me. This is with the privacy option. Is there really any safety.

[Rosepetal]

What I find interesting, is that it may not be all the sharing of music that has caused a decrease in sales of CD&#39;s (as reported on my radio station&#39;s news as to why they are suing everyone). It had already been studied and the fact that the U.S. and Cdn economies went down, spending in general went down. In addition, people have been sharing music since tapes were created. I made many tapes from friends and vice versa. Did that stop me from buying tapes. NO. I download some songs and have made some CD&#39;s but I have also bought CD&#39;s of those same artists b/c I knew I really liked the songs from previously listening to the downloaded versions. Why then was it not made illegal to share the music back then? Only now that we are connected to more people. It&#39;s rediculous, if you ask me.

And yes, in response to a previous comment about CD prices not be a scam, you would be correct b/c the majority of the public is obviously willing to pay for them at that price. But how about the fact that it is a scam in the sense that the artist barely makes a profit off of the sale of a CD, the producing company makes most of it and really does not pay the artist the amount they deserve. Artists make most of their money from royalties, so I guess the record company CEO&#39;s are more angry that they did not get a larger increase in their pay and bonuses which are grossly large.

[orcutt989]

thank you to whomever posted this.. i am terribly reassurred now.. i used to always shit my pants when i read about something. thank you so much. i dont leave peerguardian on all the time.


Originally posted by logan_scott_05@22 October 2003 - 01:31
It would take 5.7 years to listen to 1 MILLION mp3s with an average length of 3 minutes&#33;
5.7 yrs??&#33;&nbsp; Why listen to all that music when you can just burn the ones you need to a CD & be about your business?&nbsp; Besides who has the time (or the lack of a life) to listen to that many songs?

they dont do it to listen to the songs. they do it to share. so leechers like you can download that Nsync song you wanted.

[Phyltre]

Since the start of this topic, I&#39;m really starting to wonder where this all ends. Obviously, the scare tactics will scare off the less courageous of us; I suspect that this group may be the majority. The Fasttrack system, as we all know, REQUIRES a large number of sharing users to fileshare correctly. The system will not perpetuate itself if the majority of users are scared off, then the reduced factions actually acted against.

P2P is serving a valid capitalist function here; the RIAA is stigmatizing music, not endorsing it by punishing consumers for finding other outlets than itself for a product. From a capitalist (not necessarily legal) standpoint, the consumer almost always goes for the best or most attractive deal. CD&#39;s are not that deal anymore. On the hard lines of cash flow, we digital consumers are merely acting predictably.

What the RIAA is 1.trying to gain reprofits and 2.being shortsighted. This is a wonderful way to boost music sales, if it were used properly--a more powerful "pay a monthly fee and download what you want" service has incredible potential here. But, instead, they&#39;re breaking all the rules of business; one does not ENTER INTO BATTLE with its target audience (the music lovers).

Anti-RIAA feelings will inevitably (and surely already have) begin to cause changes in the current music industry. The mechanism that has always protected the consumer, that of overriding supply & demand, has already begun to oust an outdated and overinflated marketing system. The will of the consumer can and definitely will assert itself in some fashion.

For the current flux, however, we must somehow stand our ground long enough to force changes. It is the only way the RIAA can be truly defeated. After all, simply because we have a law does not mean it is right. One of the things worse than breaking the law is making (or funding) a law in your own self interest that you know you cannot truly enforce. When a significant portion, a visible percentage of a population (some would say as high as 5-7%) does not see fit to follow a certain law, obviously there is a problem that needs to be addressed. But, of course, the RIAA is only concerned with the simplest, most Gestapo way of making money. Too bad they&#39;re turning into a legal Mafia to keep themselves around. And let me assure you--not everything they&#39;re doing is legal. They aren&#39;t the police, and they&#39;re out to make money. Obviously at any cost.

Music will always recover, but the RIAA hopefully won&#39;t.

Trust Capitalism&#33; :tank:

[0nyX]

i was told that if u have 800+ in ur share folder u can get cought but that also amoust if u have mp3s on ur harddrive u can also become a victim its not that hard download about 20 songs not daily but every so often dl a song or 2 then make a cd and then delete those songs :afro: :smoke:

[Sparkle1984]

Originally posted by 0nyX@28 January 2004 - 23:25
i was told that if u have 800+ in ur share folder u can get cought but that also amoust if u have mp3s on ur harddrive u can also become a victim its not that hard download about 20 songs not daily but every so often dl a song or 2 then make a cd and then delete those songs :afro: :smoke:
How do you think this network survives? By magic?&#33; :lol:
If you delete the songs, others won&#39;t be able to download them off you.

[Samurai]

it seems the afro is too much for his brain...

[superdude]

about the million mp3&#39;the student didnt have average 3, 4 mb files. If you have a game on your comp, you can see a sounds folder, and it has around 200-300 (depending on the game) files. All small. Thats probably why when this guy said it was 1 million mp3&#39;s, it was one million files, not one million gb&#39;s... (get my point? quantity - size?)

OIh yeah, i am Mexican, I DO NOT LIE, STEAL OR CHEAT.

[Mystikan]

Having spoken to some people who are versed in Australian Law, those filesharers in Australia at least (and US, UK, Canada etc may want to check for precedents in their respective countries) have a possible legal method of protection from being sued by copyright enforcers. If I am ever caught and sued for filesharing, my solicitor will present the following counterargument:

1) My client was NOT engaged in the unlawful distribution of copyrighted information, since he did not in any way publicise the availability of the information nor actively distribute it to others. That no such public distribution has taken place is established in statement (2) below.
2) Furthermore, my client had taken measures to prevent unauthorised access to said information by installing the PeerGuardian firewall, a program designed to block access from persons and machines not authorised by my client. Since the plaintiff represents an organisation which had been specifically excluded from access to my client&#39;s machine (by virtue of his installing and using said PeerGuardian software), it is evident that the plaintiff must have taken steps to counteract such protective measures as my client has in place, in order to effect unauthorised and unlawful access to the data on my client&#39;s machine.
3) My client therefore wishes to file suit against the plaintiff in regards to having unlawfully gained access to private and confidential data under the Privacy Act.

Of course, this is not all of the semantics involved - my solicitor has more up his sleeve, but I&#39;ll wait until this defence has been tested in court before I publicise all of it. Also, laws in the US effectively allowing &#39;hacking&#39; of users&#39; machines may counter this defence for US users - but such laws are a flagrant abuse of democracy and open the can of worms of &#39;Who is allowed to hack who?&#39;. Fortunately, this insanity does not extend to the free world. What I have given here, is at least a guideline for those of you who may be facing a lawsuit and want something to arm your solicitors with. Make sure you install PeerGuardian or some similar IP-blocker first, though; this gives you the legal defence of protecting the data on your machine from unauthorised access. (It may be possible to claim this on the basis of the inbuilt IP blocker in Kazaa Lite, but don&#39;t hang your case on just this - install a third party blocker&#33;)

I wait with bated breath to see this one tested in Aust/UK/Canada court&#33;

[Samurai]

Very interesting points made.

As I&#39;m living in the UK, I&#39;ll try and see a friend of mine who is a solicitor and see what he has to say...

[ugc]

Listen to this real close......


I read all these replys, and you guys have the same concerns that I do when it comes to downloading off P2P networks. And I have some info to share with you.

If I asked you for &#036;5.95 a month for peace of mind, and told you that you could download ALL you want and not worry about getting caught.....EVER&#33;....,

...would you do it?

My answer was "Yes, I would", and so I did. There is a service that does not slow your fast connection down AT ALL, they keep no records, and it makes your REAL IP address unavailable to the public. It has a secure connection so YOUR ISP provider can not even tell WHAT you are downloading, all they know is HOW much you are downloading........ And much more.

I do not work for the company, I am just their customer, a very happy one. The link is

http://www.anonx.com/about.htm

look it over.......Buy it, you will rest easy with "peace of mind" that you are anonymous.

[ladybunnybear]

I would count canada out of that list, and probably the rest. American laws are american laws. Our ISp&#39;s are still not aloud to give out our identities, our privacy is actually protected still (for how long who knows but right now it is). (canada that is)

Keep in mind that the RCMP has a digital crime unit that the FBI is praising... yeah, sure, they cought a dumb hacker that was causing trouble in the states but Canada is not as innocent as it seems regarding our "right to privacy". :eek:

A lot of the big candian communication companies have agreed to help the RIAA in "their quest for more money"... Copyright laws? They&#39;re trying to get more money on the back of "copyrights" and the law... Most author wont get a penny for any suing settlement or new taxes or fees they&#39;re trying to instaure... :angry:

[Sparkle1984]

Originally posted by ugc@9 February 2004 - 08:17
Listen to this real close......


I read all these replys, and you guys have the same concerns that I do when it comes to downloading off P2P networks. And I have some info to share with you.

If I asked you for &#036;5.95 a month for peace of mind, and told you that you could download ALL you want and not worry about getting caught.....EVER&#33;....,

...would you do it?

My answer was "Yes, I would", and so I did. There is a service that does not slow your fast connection down AT ALL, they keep no records, and it makes your REAL IP address unavailable to the public. It has a secure connection so YOUR ISP provider can not even tell WHAT you are downloading, all they know is HOW much you are downloading........ And much more.

I do not work for the company, I am just their customer, a very happy one. The link is

http://www.anonx.com/about.htm

look it over.......Buy it, you will rest easy with "peace of mind" that you are anonymous.
:ph34r: :spam:

Sorry, I think it is nothing more than a get rich quick scheme, which is exploiting people&#39;s fears.
Anyway, I think proxies slow down speeds too much. I am happy using the k-lite security settings in the Options box, and programs such as peerguardian when I&#39;m on other p2p networks, and firewall.

I won&#39;t pay a penny more for my security - it&#39;s a right not a privelege&#33;&#33;

[Marius24]

Originally posted by Sparkle1984@1 March 2004 - 16:11
I won&#39;t pay a penny more for my security - it&#39;s a right not a privelege&#33;&#33;
amen&#33; :D

[mortsapprentice]

I totaly agree with you Sparkle1984 :01:

share and share alike i say

[Gattsu-lol]

....Yo&#33;, Just a question............

.......Do RIAA and all this p2p shares "hunt" act in all the world?
....Man, I&#39;m in Brasil, and would like to know if I can be gaught and all that..............

[B.Helto]

Originally posted by ugc@9 February 2004 - 09:17
If I asked you for &#036;5.95 a month for peace of mind, and told you that you could download ALL you want and not worry about getting caught.....EVER&#33;....,

...would you do it?
no

[Ganja420]

I have NO fear of getting the pants sued off me *so to speak* for using kazaa. the reason so many people turn to filesharing for music is that CD&#39;s are basically a scam&#33; Most people only want one or two songs on the CD... What so you must pay 15&#036; for your two songs?&#33; Screw that&#33; Kazaa lite is a safe community that does no harm to society... all these musicians complain about not getting their money... first of all they are FILTHY RICH and probably have NO need for the extra income. second of all what about the band and artists that are dead... Ohh im sure some rich tycoon with an army of attornies has rights to these songs, so who&#39;s making the money? not the artist thats who&#33; :music1:

in all the RIAA can go to hell&#33; and i think that Kazaa is a great way to get what you want out of your favorite bands and musicians&#33;

Im sure everybody here will aggre with me. :rolleyes:

JOIN US, ITS A REVOLUTION&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Jibbler]

Who is afraid? The problem is that we are all practicing a form of civil disobedience. The structure of the industry is soon to change, and they will eventually allow filesharing, or lose thier customers. Stay strong and steadfast, and this will run its course like everything else. :music1:

[Tikibonbon]

Originally posted by Ganja420@22 June 2004 - 04:25
first of all they are FILTHY RICH and probably have NO need for the extra income. second of all what about the band and artists that are dead... Ohh im sure some rich tycoon with an army of attornies has rights to these songs, so who&#39;s making the money?
ummm, hmm......may want this to tell the musicians who were in the biggest bands of their time who are now working construction and whatnot to pay the bills.....and you do realize that after a musician or band dies, the families get the money most of the time....

[Wolfmight]

a guy at my school was fined $5000 by the RIAA. He said he was using Limewire constantly.. He said he was just an average down loader... who actually bought a quarter of the music he listened to in cds. Bull-F"n-Shista I tellz you! This is no joke, it really happened. RIAA is like the negative vibes who hate the good advertisement of file sharing. People get big and famous from file sharing.

[DoktaLuv]

Harvard Business School does a really good survey every year involving p2p sharing and mp3's, and 90% of the time they conclude that it actually INCREASES record sales.

At any rate, if it were $5.95 a month for usage, I'd probably pay for a month of it. Course, I'd also probably just upload free to my friends anyway ;) Blank CD's anyone?

[erRor67]

how the hell did this thread get bumped way up here?? This thread dates back to year 2003. And the last post in the thread at that time was in June of 2004 (Tikibonbon's post). Looks like Wolfmight bumped it back up....

Lol, i noticed it cause i remember that same thread a long time ago... :lol:

[peat moss]

Funny I was watching a tv show called Out of Bounds, tonite . Bunch of jocks talking about the evils of filesharing. One guy made a good point, who are we stealing from , the record company's or the artist ? Made me think fuk em ! Their
all getting rich anyway , make a good cd with a great cover art and the lyrics inside the sleave and I'll pay for ! .............. Ok not ! :)

[SpecialAgentPunk]

I think a good way to not get caught by sharing, but still not be a leecher is to share your files with at least one or two people, then take it off your sharing folder. That way' you've spread the seeds, and after those people have it, they can do the same. Then take it off your sharing folder and you won't get busted.

[SpecialAgentPunk]

i got caught by the MPAA :( i have more than 200 movies and last month i recieved an email from my isp sayin that if i dont stop using bittorent they were gonna cancel my account, and after that email they showed me the proof that i download 2fast 2furious from bittorent .. showed my IP and everything, so i dont wanna d/l movies from bittorent!

it kinda sucks

damn, what was the rate you were dl at? Like, how much movies did you dl in a week? and what isp?

[movalpinay]

Harvard Business School does a really good survey every year involving p2p sharing and mp3's, and 90% of the time they conclude that it actually INCREASES record sales.

At any rate, if it were $5.95 a month for usage, I'd probably pay for a month of it. Course, I'd also probably just upload free to my friends anyway ;) Blank CD's anyone?

interesting...wud like to read the survey if u hav a link or something :)

[Samurai]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold THREAD!!!!


Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :dry: