Ummmm I'm A Slacker?

[jakekji]

i dont really feel like reading all those old posts... so i'm going to make new ones...... help me find something to talk about!!!!1

are aliens real?
:huh:











:ph34r: <whats wrong with me?&#33; i&#39;m all blackened :&#39;()

[Skweeky]

What do you mean, &#39;are aliens real&#39;?
Do they exist?
Do they exist but do you doubt about their existence?

plz explain

[MetroStars]

i doubt their real, but that old Alien Autopsy was gr8

[Skweeky]

Don&#39;t you think it&#39;s a bit weird to assume that we&#39;re all alone in this immense universe? :huh:

[TRshady]

Not sure about aliens but I see dead people ........... :ph34r:

[Bender]

Originally posted by TRshady@21 July 2003 - 12:36
Not sure about aliens but I see dead people ........... :ph34r:
... and they&#39;re all posting in the Lounge. :lol:

[WeeMouse]

:lol:

Aliens? you just have to walk about Glasgow at night to see creatures that cannot possibly be described as human.............. :P

I beleive that aliens are out there somewhere. it&#39;s just that it&#39;s such a big universe and I&#39;m such a wee mouse......kind hard for me to see them...........

[BigMouse]

Aliens? you just have to walk about Glasgow at night to see creatures that cannot possibly be described as human..............&nbsp;

I beleive that aliens are out there somewhere. it&#39;s just that it&#39;s such a big universe and I&#39;m such a wee mouse......kind hard for me to see them...........



But that&#39;s what I&#39;m for to see what you can&#39;t&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :D :lol: :P B)

[tite-wad]

Life beyond Earth? ... absolutely&#33;

:alien: Extraterrestrials among us? ... absolutely NOT&#33;
(Though some of the characters in these forums make you wonder - don&#39;t they.)


@ WeeMouse - Love the ani - go you&#33;

[Proper Bo]

Isn&#39;t it off the kitekat advert?

[WeeMouse]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 13:39
Life beyond Earth? ... absolutely&#33;

:alien: Extraterrestrials among us? ... absolutely NOT&#33;
(Though some of the characters in these forums make you wonder - don&#39;t they.)


@ WeeMouse - Love the ani - go you&#33;
:lol:

go me......go bigMouse.........

ta tite-wad&#33; :)

[thewizeard]

Are you absolutely sure Tite-Wad ?

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@21 July 2003 - 13:40
Isn&#39;t it off the kitekat advert?
Whiskers :P

[BigMouse]

go me......go bigMouse.........

ta tite-wad&#33;&nbsp;


Weemouse, you and Lamsey will have to sort out my AV.................I feel left out without one :(

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by nigel123@21 July 2003 - 07:41
Are you absolutely sure Tite-Wad ?
Well, naturally that&#39;s only my opinion of which I speak...

But yes. ^_^

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 13:39

:alien: Extraterrestrials among us? ... absolutely NOT&#33;
(Though some of the characters in these forums make you wonder - don&#39;t they.)


I know that one can prove that something does exist, at least to a reasonable standard.

How do you go about being so sure that it doesn&#39;t. I would genuinely be interested in your thought processes.

I am not disagreeing, or agreeing with you. I just want to know how you can be so adamant (not the ex pop star).

[Illuminati]

IMO trying to debate whether aliens exist or not is like trying to answer the ancient question "If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

It&#39;s unanswerable. And until either side give inquestionable evidence of their beliefs, then it&#39;s gonna be like that for a while.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 13:56
"If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Yes

[Proper Bo]

Why wouldn&#39;t the tree make a sound? Are you saying that they&#39;re are only making noise whilst falling around people to show off?

EDIT: :P

[thewizeard]

But not in a vacuum&#33;

[BigMouse]

QUOTE (Illuminati @ 21 July 2003 - 13:56)
"If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"




Yes

ooooooooohhhhhhhh Illuminati I think someone is challenging you&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; But don&#39;t worry Weemouse and me will help you&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :D :lol: :rolleyes:

[WeeMouse]

hehe Jpaul - my big pal is back&#33; :)

Meet BigMouse - she is actually smaller than me.....


*WeeMouse shall remain impartial to this debate about trees, thank you very much&#33;

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by nigel123@21 July 2003 - 13:58
But not in a vacuum&#33;
Fair point, if there were such thing as a total vaccum, on earth, with a tree living in it.

[DarthInsinuate]

Originally posted by WeeMouse@21 July 2003 - 13:32
:lol:

Aliens? you just have to walk about Glasgow at night to see creatures that cannot possibly be described as human.............. :P
:o yeah, its true - i was in a shop in Glasgow and this woman with really big hair walked in, it was scary because it looked physically impossible for her hair to be soo big, she looked just like that woman from Mars Attacks&#33; :blink:

this is the best picture i could find (because i&#39;m lazy)
http://marsattacks.warnerbros.com/img/5tb-sketch22.jpg

[tite-wad]

@ JP - Sorry that I don&#39;t have a huge sheet of facts, and calculations to show you. But I haven&#39;t gone so far as to try and prove my hypothesis.

It just seems so highly improbable to me that if in fact it were even possible for beings from another world to visit ours... then it would still be highly unlikely that they would choose our little marble to spend their vacations on.

IMO the possibility is so minute as to be insignificant - therefore I regard it as being zero.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 14:07
@ JP - Sorry that I don&#39;t have a huge sheet of facts, and calculations to show you. But I haven&#39;t gone so far as to try and prove my hypothesis.

It just seems so highly improbable to me that if in fact it were even possible for beings from another world to visit ours... then it would still be highly unlikely that they would choose our little marble to spend their vacations on.

IMO the possibility is so minute as to be insignificant - therefore I regard it as being zero.
I wasn&#39;t asking for a huge sheet of facts, just an idea of how you reached your conclusion.

I seem to upset you every time I ask you a question. At least it appears that way to me, by your responses. I must attempt not to do that in future.

So your "hypothesis" is purely intuitive. Fair enough, I was only wondering.

[Alucard1475]

Aliens&#33;&#33;&#33; Oh yeah... I see them every day. They are everywhere....wherever you look, you&#39;ll see one...look in the mirror, you&#39;ll see one too :rolleyes:

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by JPaul+21 July 2003 - 13:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 21 July 2003 - 13:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 13:56
"If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Yes [/b][/quote]
But my dear JPaul - How can you be sure that it makes a sound if no-one&#39;s around to hear it... :P

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by JPaul@21 July 2003 - 08:12
I seem to upset you every time I ask you a question. At least it appears that way to me, by your responses. I must attempt not to do that in future.
:o No, no JP - I am not upset by you.

Rather the contrary. I find it flattering that you regard my opinions worth responding to.

I&#39;m sorry if my replies to you seem in any way harsh or curt. I only wish to raise the level of my comments to more closely match your own remarks - since you generally seem more serious than I when posting.

By all means - don&#39;t stop&#33; ;)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 14:27

I&#39;m sorry if my replies to you seem in any way harsh or curt.
Not at all, quite the reverse, they seem defensive.

I have never taken you as being either harsh or curt. If you were I must have missed it.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Illuminati+21 July 2003 - 14:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Illuminati @ 21 July 2003 - 14:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by JPaul@21 July 2003 - 13:57
<!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 13:56
"If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Yes
But my dear JPaul - How can you be sure that it makes a sound if no-one&#39;s around to hear it... :P [/b][/quote]
You can video it and watch / listen later. That way no one was around when the tree fell.

However when the tape was listened to the sound could be heard.

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by JPaul+21 July 2003 - 14:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 21 July 2003 - 14:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by JPaul@21 July 2003 - 13:57
<!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 13:56
"If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Yes
But my dear JPaul - How can you be sure that it makes a sound if no-one&#39;s around to hear it... :P
You can video it and watch / listen later. That way no one was around when the tree fell.

However when the tape was listened to the sound could be heard. [/b][/quote]
Heh - Don&#39;t forget that this was an old Chinese riddle designed to clear a person&#39;s mind.

They wouldn&#39;t have had videos, or the grasp of physics that we have now. But it could be done like that nowadays :)

[J'Pol]

http://members.aol.com/sneak79/zentree2.jpg


I think it&#39;s a zen thing

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by JPaul@21 July 2003 - 08:32
Not at all, quite the reverse, they seem defensive.

In order for me to be defensive would require for me to percieve you as offensive.

:unsure: I do not find you offensive JP.

My use of the words curt and harsh were merely a little joke since I have seen you use them before.

Your vocabulary is obviously superior to mine.

Perhaps I rely too much on sarcasm to make up for that. :P



Edit: spelling

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 14:45

My use of the words curt and harsh were merely a little joke since I have seen you use them before.


I thought as much, tho I wasn&#39;t sure. I often find your sense of humour / hidden messages somewhat singular.

When I read the riddle pages I have to go back to check what you said, when you have made a hidden guess. I normally don&#39;t catch them the first time round.

I have also seen you use barsteward recently, a particular favourite of mine.

Re the vocabulary thing, now I know you are being sarcastic, which really is a bit h4r5h.

[thewizeard]

It&#39;s probably what "they" call a coan (or koan).




I watch a teacher lecture on the sutras
His eloquence flows like running water.
Expounding on the five stages
And the eight categories,
He explains them with unequaled cleverness.
They proclaim themselves masters
And others believe it.
However, question them about the essence of Zen
And they have no useful answer.

- Ryokan (1758-1831

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by JPaul@21 July 2003 - 08:50
Re the vocabulary thing, now I know you are being sarcastic, which really is a bit h4r5h.
Although I recognize and understand the words you use (well 99% of the time anyway), you seem to have the ability to pull the more eloquent words quickly from within your brain.

I on the other hand, often have to ponder for a while to be able to express myself in a similar fashion.

That is why I feel that your vocab is better than mine - perhaps it is rather more your "command of the language" of which I refer.

(Have I just proven my own point?) :P

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by nigel123@21 July 2003 - 14:53
It&#39;s probably what "they" call a coan (or koan).




I though it was choan - live and learn I suppose.

[thewizeard]

Koans are the folk stories of Zen Buddhism, metaphorical narratives that particularize essential nature. Each koan is a window that show the whole truth but just from a single vantage. It is limited in perspective.One hundred koans give one hundred vantages. When they are enriched with insightful comments and poems, then you have ten thousand vantages. There is no end to this process of enrichment." (Aitken 1990b:ix)

I think the very nature of a koan makes every spelling form correct&#33;&#33;

[Ron]

Originally posted by JPaul+21 July 2003 - 15:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul &#064; 21 July 2003 - 15:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by JPaul@21 July 2003 - 13:57
<!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@21 July 2003 - 13:56
"If a tree falls and no-one&#39;s around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Yes
But my dear JPaul - How can you be sure that it makes a sound if no-one&#39;s around to hear it... :P
You can video it and watch / listen later. That way no one was around when the tree fell.

However when the tape was listened to the sound could be heard. [/b][/quote]
Trees would know you planted that cam/microphone.
They would still refuse to make a sound while falling down, just to confuse you.
Besides, what if your mike was broken?
And oh yes, the falling is relatively silent, is the landing that causes all that racket. :P

[j2k4]

I occasionally am given to ponder:

"If my wife says something, and I am not around to hear it, am I still wrong?"

[Ron]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 16:08
I on the other hand, often have to ponder for a while to be able to express myself in a similar fashion.

That is why I feel that your vocab is better than mine - perhaps it is rather more your "command of the language" of which I refer.
Perhaps you should rely a bit more on the Oxford and/or Cambridge dictionaries, like I suggested, instead of that obscure American one.
What&#39;s it called? Oh yeah,.... right........., Websters. :D

[Ron]

Originally posted by j2k4@21 July 2003 - 16:47
I occasionally am given to ponder:

"If my wife says something, and I am not around to hear it, am I still wrong?"
Only if your opinion contradicts hers j2k4. :lol:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by j2k4@21 July 2003 - 15:47
I occasionally am given to ponder:

"If my wife says something, and I am not around to hear it, am I still wrong?"
We all know that&#39;s a yes. No great mystery there.

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by Ron@21 July 2003 - 09:43
And oh yes, the falling is relatively silent, is the landing that causes all that racket. :P
Excellent point Ron&#33;&#33;&#33;


@ j2k4 - In her mind? ... Definitely&#33;&#33;&#33; :P

The reverse is true as well. If you speak and she doesn&#39;t hear it - she is still right&#33; ;)

[thewizeard]

I think the silent falling tree was caused by alien influence.

[thewizeard]

More proof of alien intervention, my last post was not showing.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by nigel123@21 July 2003 - 15:41
Koans are the folk stories of Zen Buddhism, metaphorical narratives that particularize essential nature. Each koan is a window that show the whole truth but just from a single vantage. It is limited in perspective.One hundred koans give one hundred vantages. When they are enriched with insightful comments and poems, then you have ten thousand vantages. There is no end to this process of enrichment." (Aitken 1990b:ix)

I think the very nature of a koan makes every spelling form correct&#33;&#33;
I think the very nature of a koan makes every spelling form correct&#33;&#33;

Can I just say, in all seriousness, that was wonderful

[j2k4]

Originally posted by tite-wad@21 July 2003 - 09:51

@ j2k4 - In her mind? ... Definitely&#33;&#33;&#33; :P

The reverse is true as well. If you speak and she doesn&#39;t hear it - she is still right&#33; ;)
Just so- ;)

[lynx]

You all miss the point. If the tree was being watched, (either by human or electromechanical means), it would not fall. But as soon as you ceased to watch it (or the batteries in your camcorder failed) down it would come.

[Illuminati]

Well, considering that I played a significant part in it, I think this deserves The Card :D
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/roy.wills/Cymoril/K-Lite/Hijack.jpg

:devil:

[thewizeard]

Oh no, Illuminati, not again, not hijacked&#33;

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by nigel123@21 July 2003 - 17:29
Oh no, Illuminati, not again, not hijacked&#33;
:devil:

Can&#39;t be disputed (Topic hasn&#39;t got grounds to anyway :P)

[j2k4]

Originally posted by lynx@21 July 2003 - 11:18
You all miss the point. If the tree was being watched, (either by human or electromechanical means), it would not fall. But as soon as you ceased to watch it (or the batteries in your camcorder failed) down it would come.
HAH&#33;

Lynx, you are wrong; you have failed to improperly mix your exemplar metaphor:

"A Watched tree never boils."

This would require a lightning strike, which would assume rain, which would, in turn, assume no onlookers-unless attired for wet weather, of course. :D


Edit: Clarity

[lynx]

Damn you, j2k4, trust you to suss me out.

[lynx]

Will we find aliens (or aliens us)?

Planetary systems like our own require an iron core.
Iron, and other heavy elements was produced from third generation (or maybe fourth, I can&#39;t remember) supernovae. Ie the first generation produces carbon, the collapse of (second generation) carbon stars produces heavier elements and so on until the iron phase occurs.

But the universe (at least according to the big bang theory) is only just old enough to have had that many supernovae generations, so although there are almost countless stars out there, comparatively few can have iron cores.

Then consider how many of those would have a planet with the right planetary conditions (orbitally), and in turn how many of those have the right mix of chemicals. If you then consider the chances of life actually developing (and bear in mind that we are talking about recognisable life), it is possible that only a small number of planets in the universe will have created life.

And of those few, how many of those will have created sentient life?

We may indeed be alone.