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bigboab
07-22-2003, 07:47 PM
This should be easy for some of you. You can only have one shot at he answer and explain your answer.

What is the heaviest?

A pound of feathers or a pound of gold?

RGX
07-22-2003, 07:50 PM
theyre the same, they both weigh a pound

No matter what the material is, both have already been given their weights, so piece of piss

thewizeard
07-22-2003, 07:50 PM
They are the same weight, however I would rather be hit on the head by a pound of feathers?

Riddler
07-22-2003, 07:51 PM
A pound is a pound is a pound is a pound......don't matter WHAT yer weighin' !
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mutterings
07-22-2003, 07:53 PM
blimey riddlers worst ones have been better than this :lol: :lol: .....gold!!!??? :blink:

RGX
07-22-2003, 07:54 PM
Me first, what do i win?

bigboab
07-22-2003, 07:57 PM
pound of feathers :P

bigboab
07-22-2003, 07:59 PM
please explain the answer to the rest mutterings :(

bigboab
07-22-2003, 08:05 PM
Oh well I suppose it is getting late :(

A pound of feathers is the heaviest(16 ounces, avoirdupois) :huh:

A pound of gold is (14 ounces,troy) :unsure:

mutterings
07-22-2003, 08:16 PM
did i win :blink: did i,did i,I am the only one that guessed, so i should win something :angry: Oh i cant have the feathers cos i am allergic to them >_< :w00t:

tite-wad
07-22-2003, 08:22 PM
:o Is it permitted to post riddles outside the Gauntlet???

Riddler
07-22-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by tite-wad@22 July 2003 - 13:22
:o Is it permitted to post riddles outside the Gauntlet???
Hmmmmm......let me check the reg&#39;s................

Aha&#33; " Riddles outside the Gauntlet will be severely dealt with. The punishment being the violator&#39;s choice of either;
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or;
http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Kick.gif

:P

tite-wad
07-22-2003, 08:31 PM
http://members.roadfly.com/tite-wad/laugh.gif

mutterings
07-22-2003, 08:32 PM
sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me :P mutterings gaunlet of not so good riddles will be open soon ..where do i go for punishment? ;)

tite-wad
07-22-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by mutterings@22 July 2003 - 15:32
where do i go for punishment? ;)
Sharman&#39;s KMD forum. :angry:

Riddler
07-22-2003, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by mutterings@22 July 2003 - 13:32
sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me :P mutterings gaunlet of not so good riddles will be open soon ..where do i go for punishment? ;)
Enter here and take your licks &#33;http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Put%20em%20up.gif

:lol:

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 08:43 PM
Actually pound is a unit of mass.

Weight is a measurement of force, the force of gravity being directly proportionite to the mass of the object.

A pound of matter has the same mass in space than on earth however there is no force acting on it (at least gravitiational). When it is on earth it has weight only because of the gravity acting upon it.

So really the question would be which is the more massive.

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 08:44 PM
Oh and it wouldnīt even be heaviest, it would be heavier, as there are only 2.

Riddler
07-22-2003, 08:48 PM
:lol:

Riddler
07-22-2003, 08:49 PM
TYVM professor &#33; Now where did Gilligan & the Skipper run off to ? I have to try that theory out with some coconuts and heads &#33; :D

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 08:52 PM
Interesting concept, posting your drafts now.

See which looks better on the page before finally deciding.

Then edit out the one you donīt like.

mutterings
07-22-2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@22 July 2003 - 20:43
Actually pound is a unit of mass.

Weight is a measurement of force, the force of gravity being directly proportionite to the mass of the object.

A pound of matter has the same mass in space than on earth however there is no force acting on it (at least gravitiational). When it is on earth it has weight only because of the gravity acting upon it.

So really the question would be which is the more massive.
I knew there was a reason i never try to be too clever on this board.jpaul was that reason :lol:

Riddler
07-22-2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@22 July 2003 - 13:52
Interesting concept, posting your drafts now.

See which looks better on the page before finally deciding.

Then edit out the one you donīt like.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Can&#39;t get away with ANYTHING around here &#33;&#33;&#33; http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Moonie.gif

mutterings
07-22-2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Riddler@22 July 2003 - 20:35
Enter here and take your licks &#33;http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Put%20em%20up.gif

:lol:
Hahah so you think that you can take thttp://www.tiglath.org/yahoo/big56.gifowwwwwww what was that for???&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Riddler
07-22-2003, 09:36 PM
:lol:

Loomis
07-22-2003, 11:03 PM
Oh My&#33;&#33; I believe that for the FIRST time ever, JPaul might be mistaken&#33;&#33;

A pound is NOT a unit of mass, but a measurement specific to this planet&#33;
The kilogram (SI) and the slug are the units of mass most commonly used by the scientific community.

See here:
http://members.aol.com/luthben/unit.html

and here:
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Slug.html

or here (for more info):
http://www.google.ca/search?q=slug+pound&i...F-8&hl=en&meta= (http://www.google.ca/search?q=slug+pound&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=)

To clarify, I DO NOT want to put myself above JPaul; he would have me cowering in a dark hole with but a glare and a few well-thought-out (sp?) and witty comments. His intellectual prowess is above that of almost all others on this forum.

I just felt that should provide the riddlees with the facts.

Thank.

- Loomy

Edit: To be fair, I HAD misread JPaul&#39;s post. He is not, in fact, mistaken (Damn&#33; I thought I had him), but he simply worded his explanation differently than I would&#39;ve...
Apologies to you and all others

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 11:33 PM
There are specific units used for scientific formulae, without which they (the formulae) do not work.

For example, in this calculation

f=ma

force equals mass times acceleration.

This only works if the units are Newtons = Kilogrammes x Metres/Second/Second.

Again using this example the weight is the force - and can be calculated as mass times the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.81 metres/sec/sec)

So I accept that the pound is not one of the standard units, however it is a measurement (if not unit) of mass, as opposed to weight.

Bottom line - your point is well made. It does you credit.

However would&#39;ve really isn&#39;t an acceptable diminution for would have. Frankly it has no elegance.

Loomis
07-22-2003, 11:38 PM
I take your constructive criticism well, JPaul&#33; And I thank you for the well-mannered (as usual) reply

Although I would like to point out that, despite it&#39;s lack of elegance, I tend to use "wouldn&#39;t&#39;ve" frequently in chat rooms, Instant messaging and The Forum :P(never in the creation of actual litterature, I DO have that much sense)

I think they&#39;re fun,...then again, sometimes fun takes away from elegance....oh well&#33;

Edit: typos

tite-wad
07-22-2003, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@22 July 2003 - 18:33
However would&#39;ve really isn&#39;t an acceptable diminution for would have. Frankly it has no elegance.


Inelegant perhaps, but it beats "would of" which I hear/see far too frequently. :(

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 11:45 PM
Those who know me will realise that the elegance of the message is more important than the content.

There is an axiom which states. Write for the reader. Fuck that, I&#39;m doing the hard bit.

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by tite-wad+23 July 2003 - 00:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tite-wad @ 23 July 2003 - 00:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@22 July 2003 - 18:33
However would&#39;ve really isn&#39;t an acceptable diminution for would have. Frankly it has no elegance.


Inelegant perhaps, but it beats "would of" which I hear/see far too frequently. :( [/b][/quote]
Inelegant really lacks elegance, don&#39;t you think.

tite-wad
07-22-2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@22 July 2003 - 18:47
Inelegant really lacks elegance, don&#39;t you think.
Would you have preferred unrefined? :huh:

lynx
07-22-2003, 11:51 PM
Any more of this inelegance and someone&#39;s going to get hit with a piece of 2x4 would of a tree.

J'Pol
07-22-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by tite-wad+23 July 2003 - 00:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tite-wad @ 23 July 2003 - 00:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@22 July 2003 - 18:47
Inelegant really lacks elegance, don&#39;t you think.
Would you have preferred unrefined? :huh: [/b][/quote]
Very much so.

lynx
07-22-2003, 11:55 PM
And just to clear things up, depending on context bouth pound and kilogram can be units of mass or weight.

But since the question was which is the heaviest (not the most massive) we are clearly talking about weight, so JP is definitely WRONG

Edit: typo

tite-wad
07-22-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by lynx@22 July 2003 - 18:51
Any more of this inelegance and someone&#39;s going to get hit with a piece of 2x4 would of a tree.
Ouch&#33;&#33;&#33; http://members.roadfly.com/tite-wad/whack.gif

That wood be painful indeed&#33; :P

J'Pol
07-23-2003, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by lynx@23 July 2003 - 00:55
And just to clear things up, depending on context bouth pound and kilogram can be units of mass or weight.

But since the question was which is the heaviest (not the most massive) we are clearly talking about weight, so JP is definitely WRONG

Edit: typo
Weight is a force. Pound is not a unit of force.

Heavier - not heaviest.

More massive - not most massive.

Don&#39;t shout, particularly when talking bunkum.

lynx
07-23-2003, 12:26 AM
Pedantry will get you nowhere.

Spring balances measure force, not mass. My spring balance is calibrated in pounds. Ergo pound can be a unit of force.

The question said heaviest, the equivalent in terms of mass would be most massive not more massive. I quoted the question.

So once again you are WRONG WRONG WRONG

kAb
07-23-2003, 12:31 AM
i believe that a pound of gold (european money) would weigh more than a pound of feathers.

edit: but i&#39;m probably wrong since i dont know pounds

lynx
07-23-2003, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by kAb@23 July 2003 - 01:31
i believe that a pound of gold (european money) would weigh more than a pound of feathers.

edit: but i&#39;m probably wrong since i dont know pounds
We use GOLD ?

Quick, somebody call the police, I must have been robbed.

Edit: ps I think we&#39;ve already established that it&#39;s the other way round.

J'Pol
07-23-2003, 12:38 AM
There were 2 options, how can you continue to contend that heaviest was appropriate. Unless you fell that to compound the error is preferable to correcting it.

Spring balances measure force, not mass. My spring balance is calibrated in pounds. Ergo pound can be a unit of force.

You take your spring balance to be a definitive authority if you wish. That is obviously a matter for you. Do you also subscribe to mesmerism, the four elements and the earth as the centre of the universe.

tite-wad
07-23-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by bigboab@22 July 2003 - 15:05
A pound of gold is (14 ounces,troy) :unsure:
:o Here, here gentlemen (and or ladies).

Why not instead insist that the smarmy answer was incorrect given that a "troy pound" in fact contains 12 troy ounces - not 14. :P

lynx
07-23-2003, 12:41 AM
@ kAb: Mind you, US Gallons, quarts and pints are all a sixth smaller than ours.

The reason I heard given was that when being carried across the prairies, deserts etc it somehow managed to evaporate through the sealed containers. Talk about gullible. The Aussies never fell for that one and by and large their deserts are hotter. Still, knowing the Aussies, they probably pulled the scam in the first place.

lynx
07-23-2003, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by JPaul@23 July 2003 - 01:38
There were 2 options, how can you continue to contend that heaviest was appropriate. Unless you fell that to compound the error is preferable to correcting it.

Spring balances measure force, not mass. My spring balance is calibrated in pounds. Ergo pound can be a unit of force.

You take your spring balance to be a definitive authority if you wish. That is obviously a matter for you. Do you also subscribe to mesmerism, the four elements and the earth as the centre of the universe.
As i said, pedantry will get you nowhere.

Coloquial usage is for a pound to be both a measure of mass and weight. It is only in relatively recent history that it was known that there was any difference between the two. Indeed, before that time, pound was known as a unit of weight (and there was no such thing as a unit of mass), it is only scientific usage which has distorted that term.


But since the question was which is the heaviest
I repeat that I quite clearly quoted the question. I have not disputed that the question was incorrectly phrased (although once again coloquial usage should be allowed).

I give you an example:

But let us suppose that there only two known elements, say hydrogen and oxygen.
You would say that that hydrogen is the lighter element.
But there are more than two elements, so the correct statement is that hydrogen is the lightest element.

Open your eyes and see the real world. ;)

Ron
07-23-2003, 01:10 AM
I need some lighter fuel.
Would Zippo fluid be OK?

lynx
07-23-2003, 01:13 AM
I&#39;ve got some liguid hydrogen if you want, that&#39;s even lightest.

Ron
07-23-2003, 01:17 AM
Isn&#39;t that more volatile than the heavier lighter fluid?

tite-wad
07-23-2003, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by lynx@22 July 2003 - 20:13
I&#39;ve got some liguid hydrogen if you want, that&#39;s even lightest.
That was a little cold&#33; <_<

lynx
07-23-2003, 01:19 AM
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tite-wad
07-23-2003, 01:21 AM
Come now, the pun wasn&#39;t that bad. :unsure:



Edit: tag

lynx
07-23-2003, 01:32 AM
Sorry, AFK for a bit.

My reply was to Ron&#39;s post, I couldn&#39;t think of anything suitable.
But when you consider how cold you would be after shooting yourself in the head, I think the sequence has probably turned out just fine :P

tite-wad
07-23-2003, 01:40 AM
Oh, so the pun was alright then? :huh:

HeavyMetalParkingLot
07-23-2003, 03:57 AM
little late, but,......i&#39;m the heaviest&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

thewizeard
07-23-2003, 11:57 AM
Excuse me, am I on the right road to Babylon?

crazy_billy_bats
07-23-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by nigel123@23 July 2003 - 11:57
Excuse me, am I on the right road to Babylon?
:lol: :lol:

yep but you can only get there by bus