Should The Statue Of Liberty.

[Neil__]

Was it not a gift from the People of France?


Neil.

[J'Pol]

In answer to your original question.

No.

Here are some facts about it. (http://www.endex.com/gf/buildings/liberty/libertyfacts.htm)

[Rat Faced]

Yes, and yes....In 6' letters

[ToraBoraDweller]

Technically : YES!

Reason the original artist used a french prostitute as a model. ;)

[J'Pol]

That would be vandalising a world symbol of freedom.

What would the point of that be ?

[ToraBoraDweller]

Originally posted by JPaul@25 July 2003 - 20:34
That would be vandalising a world symbol of freedom.

What would the point of that be ?
It's just a symbol :I hope not THE symbol.(freedom has many meanings)

[J'Pol]

I said a - it is one of the most easily recognised ones.

I say again, why vandalise it.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

actually it was a gift from the french government, not the people. the people wanted to keep it for themselves.

[hobbes]

Well, actually it does bear this insignia on it, and the letters are about 2 feet high. And like most manufactured objects, the insignia is placed on the base of it.

So all you have to do is tip her up a little on the pedestal and viola! zere et ez.


I sink zis shoed be en ze lounge, no?

[Neil__]

Originally posted by hobbes@25 July 2003 - 22:53
Well, actually it does bear this insignia on it, and the letters are about 2 feet high. And like most manufactured objects, the insignia is placed on the base of it.

So all you have to do is tip her up a little on the pedestal and viola! zere et ez.


I sink zis shoed be en ze lounge, no?



No.
Openly.
and with the camera's watching.
A fresh Hallmark.

Neil

[Neil__]

Or are the french traitors after all
Oh how the world has changed.

Neil.

[tite-wad]

Perhaps my arse should be stamped "Made in America" :P


:blink: What's the point?

[clocker]

Which Earth are you a citizen of, Neil?

[Neil__]

Ours

[Spindulik]

Made in France, assembled in USA.


Is there anything made in the USA?

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Neil__+26 July 2003 - 01:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neil__ &#064; 26 July 2003 - 01:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@25 July 2003 - 22:53
Well, actually it does bear this insignia on it, and the letters are about 2 feet high. And like most manufactured objects, the insignia is placed on the base of it.

So all you have to do is tip her up a little on the pedestal and viola&#33; zere et ez.


I sink zis shoed be en ze lounge, no?



No.
Openly.
and with the camera&#39;s watching.
A fresh Hallmark.

Neil[/b][/quote]
Why? Please spam and troll elsewhere. Thanks.

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by Spindulik@26 July 2003 - 00:23
Is there anything made in the USA?
Lots of things&#33;
(Like me for instance.)

Of course a lot of it&#39;s just worthless crap.
(Like me for instance.)

:P

[Ron]

Originally posted by tite-wad+26 July 2003 - 08:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tite-wad @ 26 July 2003 - 08:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Spindulik@26 July 2003 - 00:23
Is there anything made in the USA?
Lots of things&#33;
(Like me for instance.) [/b][/quote]
Well,you are born there.
But were you also made there?

[tite-wad]

Originally posted by Ron@26 July 2003 - 02:15
Well,you are born there.
But were you also made there?
Conceptualized... Conceived... and Delivered... right here in Indiana&#33; http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/yes.gif

[Ron]

Indiana?&#33;&#33;
Isn&#39;t that where all the John Sandford books are situated?

[tite-wad]

:blink: BOOKS? :blink:

[Ron]

Yes, books.
They&#39;re a bit like Playboy magazine and Penthouse, but without the pics.
They contain lots of letters and words.

[sharedholder]

The Statue of Liberty National Monument officially celebrated her 100th birthday on October 28, 1986. The people of France gave the Statue to the people of the United States over one hundred years ago in recognition of the friendship established during the American Revolution. Over the years, the Statue of Liberty has grown to include freedom and democracy as well as this international friendship.

Sculptor Frederic Auguste Bartholdi was commissioned to design a sculpture with the year 1876 in mind for completion, to commemorate the centennial of the American Declaration of Independence. The Statue was a joint effort between America and France and it was agreed upon that the American people were to build the pedestal, and the French people were responsible for the Statue and its assembly here in the United States. However, lack of funds was a problem on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. In France, public fees, various forms of entertainment, and a lottery were among the methods used to raise funds. In the United States, benefit theatricalevents, art exhibitions, auctions and prize fights assisted in providing needed funds. Meanwhile in France, Bartholdi required the assistance of an engineer to address structural issues associated with designing such as colossal copper sculpture. Alexandre Gustave Eiffel (designer of the Eiffel Tower) was commissioned to design the massive iron pylon and secondary skeletal framework which allows the Statue&#39;s copper skin to move independently yet stand upright. Back in America, fund raising for the pedestal was going particularly slowly, so Joseph Pulitzer (noted for the Pulitzer Prize) opened up the editorial pages of his newspaper, "The World" to support the fund raising effort. Pulitzer used his newspaper to criticize both the rich who had failed to finance the pedestal construction and the middle class who were content to rely upon the wealthy to provide the funds. Pulitzer&#39;s campaign of harsh criticism was successful in motivating the people of America to donate.

Financing for the pedestal was completed in August 1885, and pedestal construction was finished in April of 1886. The Statue was completed in France in July, 1884 and arrived in New York Harbor in June of 1885 on board the French frigate "Isere" which transported the Statue of Liberty from France to the United States. In transit, the Statue was reduced to 350 individual pieces and packed in 214 crates. The Statue was re-assembled on her new pedestal in four months time. On October 28th 1886, the dedication of the Statue of Liberty took place in front of thousands of spectators. She was a centennial gift ten years late.

The story of the Statue of Liberty and her island has been one of change. The Statue was placed upon a granite pedestal inside the courtyard of the star-shaped walls of Fort Wood (which had been completed for the War of 1812.) The United States Lighthouse Board had responsibility for the operation of the Statue of Liberty until 1901. After 1901, the care and operation of the Statue was placed under the War Department. A Presidential Proclamation declared Fort Wood (and the Statue of Liberty within it) a National Monument on October 15th, 1924 and the monument&#39;s boundary was set at the outer edge of Fort Wood. In 1933, the care and administration of the National Monument was transferred to the National Park Service. On September 7, 1937, jurisdiction was enlarged to encompass all of Bedloe&#39;s Island and in 1956, the island&#39;s name was changed to Liberty Island. On May 11, 1965, Ellis Island was also transferred to the National Park Service and became part of the Statue of Liberty National Monument. In May of 1982, President Ronald Reagan appointed Lee Iacocca to head up a private sector effort to restore the Statue of Liberty. Fundraising began for the &#036;87 million restoration under a public/private partnership between the National Park Service and the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc., to date the most successful such partnership in American history. In 1984, at the start of the Statue&#39;s restoration, the United Nations designated the Statue of Liberty as a World Heritage Site. On July 5, 1986 the newly restored Statue re-opened to the public during Liberty Weekend, which celebrated her centennial.

[Barbarossa]

...and I had to queue up for 3 hours to go inside of it and up to the crown, but it was worth every minute, it&#39;s an amazing structure&#33; B)

[iBLoStboY]

It was a gift from France - (it wasn&#39;t meant to be given to the U.S when it was being built) orginally it was suppose to be placed at the enterence of the Nile - but they didn&#39;t have enough money - so it was shipped to the U.S in piece ofcourse and assembled here.

[leonidas]

I think It&#39;s real Bull-shit to spend money and efforts on building and restoring symboles when some people don&#39;t have enought to live decently even in the concerned contries: France & Usa. This remind me how Cheaucescu, the former romanian dictator, has starved his people to build the bigest building in Europe.

[sampson]

Originally posted by Neil__@26 July 2003 - 00:39
Or are the french traitors after all
Oh how the world has changed.

Neil.
I was hoping someone would say this :beerchug:

[Neil__]

Ok.

So why doesn&#39;t America give it back.

If it&#39;s a gift from traitors.

Or at least searct it for Weapons of Mass Distruction.

Neil.

[titey]

Originally posted by Neil__@1 August 2003 - 20:29
So why doesn&#39;t America give it back.
If you want it... come and get it&#33; :rolleyes:

[kAb]

well see, i&#39;m sure the french would try to stamp it, but stamp it with the incorrect stamp. the statue of liberty would then say "We Surrender".

[leave no trace]

What&#39;s all this nationalistic horse shit about, does anyone see the reality around them?
This has been a war mostly about trade&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; World War 1 = trade war, World War 2 = trade war....and so on and so forth, the fucking revolutionary war was over trade and tax&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
France, Germany, Russia, old Europe = euro
America, UK, new Europe(Poland, Spain, any US ally) = dollar/pound

Iraq begins trading oil for euro currency in 1998. Think people, think&#33; Why did George W&#39;s father not handle the "regime change" business the first time around?
Would that cause to much trouble in the region, tied to close to the Saudis and Kuwaitis?
Instead, lets make Iraqi torture and oppression worse by establishing a load of bullshit sanctions. Then, a decade later, it&#39;s finally cool and acceptable to give a shit about them.

So why this war now? Terrorism? WMD? Are you fucking kidding me&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
WMD, why was UNSCOM not allowed to continue their work? Seems like they were destroying a considerable amount of weapons. Terrorism? Let me tell you about the terrorists, people close to Bin Laden used to cruise around America in fucking limousines&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
All France and Germany wanted was to continue the UN process. Why?
Just because it would be good for their business? Maybe, or maybe they just didn&#39;t want a goddamn lunatic war on their hands. Has anybody posting here ever been to France?
I have, and I remember seeing alot of arabs there, specifically in Paris. Algerians.
You think their politicians don&#39;t realize how serious a situation they&#39;d have on their hands if they started attacking an arab country? They were beaten out of Algeria.
And not only that, but whole sections of Paris have been mobbed and rioted in the 90&#39;s. Remember the L.A. riot&#39;s, well, same thing happened over there, for similar social reasons.

Here&#39;s the situation; Bush Co. jury rigged the elections, the 9/11 attacks mysteriously happen, corporate media magically whips naive insecure people into a frenzy of shallow nationalism, war ensues.
Where&#39;s France during the last phase of this fucked up process? Minding their own goddamn business, hoping the stupidity of King George&#39;s New America falls flat on it&#39;s face.
Meanwhile, folks like me(born and raised in America), grow increasingly ill and hostile towards mealymouthed appeaser wannabe patriots&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by leave no trace@4 August 2003 - 09:38
What&#39;s all this nationalistic horse shit about, does anyone see the reality around them?
This has been a war mostly about trade&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; World War 1 = trade war, World War 2 = trade war....and so on and so forth, the fucking revolutionary war was over trade and tax&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
France, Germany, Russia, old Europe = euro
America, UK, new Europe(Poland, Spain, any US ally) = dollar/pound

Iraq begins trading oil for euro currency in 1998. Think people, think&#33; Why did George W&#39;s father not handle the "regime change" business the first time around?
Would that cause to much trouble in the region, tied to close to the Saudis and Kuwaitis?
Instead, lets make Iraqi torture and oppression worse by establishing a load of bullshit sanctions. Then, a decade later, it&#39;s finally cool and acceptable to give a shit about them.

So why this war now? Terrorism? WMD? Are you fucking kidding me&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
WMD, why was UNSCOM not allowed to continue their work? Seems like they were destroying a considerable amount of weapons. Terrorism? Let me tell you about the terrorists, people close to Bin Laden used to cruise around America in fucking limousines&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
All France and Germany wanted was to continue the UN process. Why?
Just because it would be good for their business? Maybe, or maybe they just didn&#39;t want a goddamn lunatic war on their hands. Has anybody posting here ever been to France?
I have, and I remember seeing alot of arabs there, specifically in Paris. Algerians.
You think their politicians don&#39;t realize how serious a situation they&#39;d have on their hands if they started attacking an arab country? They were beaten out of Algeria.
And not only that, but whole sections of Paris have been mobbed and rioted in the 90&#39;s. Remember the L.A. riot&#39;s, well, same thing happened over there, for similar social reasons.

Here&#39;s the situation; Bush Co. jury rigged the elections, the 9/11 attacks mysteriously happen, corporate media magically whips naive insecure people into a frenzy of shallow nationalism, war ensues.
Where&#39;s France during the last phase of this fucked up process? Minding their own goddamn business, hoping the stupidity of King George&#39;s New America falls flat on it&#39;s face.
Meanwhile, folks like me(born and raised in America), grow increasingly ill and hostile towards mealymouthed appeaser wannabe patriots&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
That makes everything clear&#33;? You forgot to answer the question&#33;

[leave no trace]

I didn&#39;t forget, I simply don&#39;t care what is stamped on it. For all I care, it could have MADE IN HELL stamped on it. It is what it is, most every American knows the story behind it, or thinks they know. What difference does changing a label like French Fries to Freedom Fries or MADE IN FRANCE to MADE IN ASS make?&#33;
It makes no difference.
The actual syntax in this thread, the heart of it, is people&#39;s delusional misconceptions about France..... the title of this thread is just pretext.
An apologetic question.
But, if it will make any of you feel better, I&#39;ll answer the question. And I&#39;ll even give it the proper ignorant spin. But, please allow me to start the theard over with my own spin.

Should we needlessly alter some shit on The Statue of Liberty?

Yes, of course. We should change the label, it must say; MADE IN THE HEARTLANDS OF AMERICA, BY GOD&#33;
And we shouldn&#39;t stop there, we need to paint it red, white, and blue, top to bottom.
On her back, the words; FUCK FRANCE must be inscribed in old English.
Verily, she needs to be bigger. Fatter around the middle, we must make her obese.
On her tablet the words; Go forth, kill your enemys and suck my clit, bitch&#33;
Last but not least, we shall replace the stone torch with an actual giant flamethrower, a pipeline running straight from Alaska to her will provide a nonstop flow of fuel.
She&#39;ll be badass man, watch out&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[balamm]

well.. that might be a little over the top normally... but I kinda like it&#33;
When do we start?

[leave no trace]

I&#39;ve already started, it&#39;s my idea&#33; Now I&#39;m going to copyright it, publish it and join the RIAA&#33;
And, I&#39;m having second thoughts on all this WE business.
In fact, I&#39;m going to no-bid contract out the work to illegal Iraqi immigrants.
Construction begins July 4th 2004.

[clocker]

WW2 was a trade war?

I must have missed that day in class.

[thewizeard]

I&#39;ve already started, it&#39;s my idea&#33; Now I&#39;m going to copyright it, publish it and join the RIAA&#33;

I was with you &#39;most&#39; of the way untill you mentioned the RIAA.

Perhaps you should follow a career in politics, or start a new religion?

No perhaps not, I think you&#39;re to open and honest with your thoughts.

[leave no trace]

WW2 was a trade war?
I must have missed that day in class

School is back in session and you&#39;ve got keys to the digital library.

Search engine tips;
Trade embargo Japanese economy WW2
WW1 WW2 Germany arms race global finance banking

to much to list, but the info is out there

[MagicNakor]

Japan didn&#39;t enter WWII until 1941. WWII began 1939.

WWI was more about secret treaties and leftover imperialism than trade. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

:ninja:

[ClubDiggler]

Was it not &#39;Made in Taiwan&#39; ?:D

[j2k4]

Let us not descend into sarcasm and cynicism, now.

Oh, I&#39;m too late, then? :huh:

Nevermind.

[abigspidermonkey]

no it was made in China :lol:

[j2k4]

Originally posted by abigspidermonkey@12 August 2003 - 22:37
no it was made in China :lol:
If it was made in China, it would have turned RED, not GREEN. <_<

I think the GREEN is supposed to signify, in some twisted way, the envy of the French.

I could be wrong.

[lynx]

Surely GREEN usually indicates a desire to puke.

[titey]

Doesn&#39;t food turn green when it becomes rancid? :x

[MagicNakor]

Not usually. Often it turns brown, purple, or gray.

And there are green foods that aren&#39;t rancid. ;)

:ninja:

[j2k4]

Originally posted by lynx@14 August 2003 - 04:19
Surely GREEN usually indicates a desire to puke.
There is some truth to that, these days. ;)

[evilbagpuss]

lol @ you guys

The French didnt do what you wanted them to do. Big deal, get over it, move on and quit the whinging.

Lets face it, if &#39;we&#39; (non-US) were pulling this childish shit with you guys you&#39;d all be chanting &#39;Anti-American" over and over again and lamenting your fate. Hell, we cant even disagree with US foreign policy let alone get down to some good old "Im 10 years old and you smell of wee and poo cos you wont do what I say" shenanigans without the double A word being fired at us from all angles.

Live by the sword die by the sword.

i.e if your prepared to sink to these levels (green, envy, freedom fries) then I suggest you remove the word Anti-American from your vocabulary as you simply dont have a moral leg to stand on.

Sorry to be harsh but this anti-French bullshit is getting extremely tedious and more than a little hypocritical.

[titey]

Well, puss, this thread wasn&#39;t started by an American... so perhaps it&#39;s a bit hypocritical to be telling the Americans to "get over it and move on". :rolleyes:


( http://www.ml20.nowinbeta.org/smilies/taunt.gif And you smell of wee and poo&#33;)

[balamm]

Yeah, I personaly forgave the europians some time ago ;)



For every thing :)





Almost <_<

[evilbagpuss]

Originally posted by titey+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Well, puss, this thread wasn&#39;t started by an American... so perhaps it&#39;s a bit hypocritical to be telling the Americans to "get over it and move on". [/b]

keep up titey :D

The original poster asked if the Statue of Liberty was French. Slightly pro-French if anything and probably in response to the anti-French bullshit.

The childish crap was started by the usual suspects towards the end of the thread so.. no its not hypocritical. You just have to to keep track of whats going on without getting confused :P

Mind you I know that the constant stench of wee and poo can make it hard to concentrate so I understand the difficulty you experienced. :rolleyes:

<!--QuoteBegin-balamm

Yeah, I personaly forgave the europians some time ago [/quote]

Boohoo&#33; Your anti-European&#33; Woe is me&#33; The sky is going to fall on my head&#33; Waa waa&#33;&#33;

You see guys apart from the thousands of years of culture and the creation of modern civilization we&#39;re not that different after all :D

[balamm]

Originally posted by evilbagpuss@17 August 2003 - 04:43


Boohoo&#33; Your anti-European&#33; Woe is me&#33; The sky is going to fall on my head&#33; Waa waa&#33;&#33;


I wasn&#39;t always. The past few weeks have demonstrated a definite insecurity from a few europians though. So much insecurity that they insist on starting topics like these to reasure themselves. I wondered what would make a culture so self righteous so I did a little research myself.

My god you&#39;ve swept a lot under the carpet haven&#39;t you.

Maoris, indians, The Falklands...... Yes I know, I&#39;ve only just scratched the surface.

There&#39;s really not much to gain by trenching up englands mistakes though.


The US made you do it I&#39;m sure ;)

[titey]

Originally posted by evilbagpuss@16 August 2003 - 22:43
keep up titey :D

The original poster asked if the Statue of Liberty was French. Slightly pro-French if anything and probably in response to the anti-French bullshit.

The childish crap was started by the usual suspects towards the end of the thread so.. no its not hypocritical. You just have to to keep track of whats going on without getting confused :P

Mind you I know that the constant stench of wee and poo can make it hard to concentrate so I understand the difficulty you experienced. :rolleyes:
Keep up y&#39;self puss. <_<

The original poster made a sarcastic remark disguised as a question.

You of all people should recognise sarcasm. :rolleyes:

:P And yes, your odor is somewhat distracting.

[hobbes]

Yes, Neil is well known for being anti-American and trying to incite inflammatory responses to his threads.

EBP, you must have been asleep at the wheel.

Like most threads started in insincerity, by page 2 it had degraded into silly banter.

[hobbes]

poop, i&#39;m having a technical moment

[evilbagpuss]

ok ok ok&#33;&#33; Sorry&#33; I hate the French and all those other European ba*****s. I cant believe I dared to suggest that this anti-French shit was a load of wank.

It&#39;s obviously the product of a mature, well thought out non-hypocritical &#39;mind&#39; and anyone who suggests otherwise... Anti-American&#33; Naturally.

I now see the light&#33; Anti-Americanism is the worst crime since the holocaust but anti-Europeanism is the best thing since sliced bread&#33; There was me wandering around in this daze thinking it was all a load of hypocritical bullshit coming from people who&#39;d be hard pushed to find Europe on the map&#33;

The French are errmm yeah green and envious&#33; Their food stinks&#33; errm They eat snails... AND they talk funny&#33;&#33;

Pass me the freedom fries and lets bring back segregation and lynchings while we&#39;re at it. The good ole days eh guys? ;) Pinko liberals always spoil the fun :(

Whilst we&#39;re eating I wanted to show you this great idea I&#39;ve had for "freedom camps" in France. They&#39;ve even got special ovens to bake the &#39;fries&#39; in&#33;

w00t&#33; I&#39;m a born again USA patriot&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Praise the Lord&#33;&#33;

:D :D :D

That better guys? More acceptable?

[Neil__]

Originally posted by evilbagpuss@17 August 2003 - 03:48
lol @ you guys

The French didnt do what you wanted them to do. Big deal, get over it, move on and quit the whinging.

Lets face it, if &#39;we&#39; (non-US) were pulling this childish shit with you guys you&#39;d all be chanting &#39;Anti-American" over and over again and lamenting your fate. Hell, we cant even disagree with US foreign policy let alone get down to some good old "Im 10 years old and you smell of wee and poo cos you wont do what I say" shenanigans without the double A word being fired at us from all angles.

Live by the sword die by the sword.

i.e if your prepared to sink to these levels (green, envy, freedom fries) then I suggest you remove the word Anti-American from your vocabulary as you simply dont have a moral leg to stand on.

Sorry to be harsh but this anti-French bullshit is getting extremely tedious and more than a little hypocritical.



I could not agree more
Harsh or not.
It seems that America can do what it chooses and if we dissagree then they pull out the Anti American flag and use it as wall to hide it&#39;s ill doings behind.

Neil

[lynx]

Oh joy, musical statues of liberty now.
I think someone is taking liberties.

[titey]

Originally posted by lynx@20 August 2003 - 11:10
I think someone is taking liberties.
http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/ROFL.gif

I liked the way you passed the torch there lynx&#33;


http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/thmbup.gif