Down with Microshit

[The Flying Cow]

I say it's time for the masses to look at the Linux dishes.

-No forcibly-installed shovelware/crapware/bolloxware
-No index.dat for Microsoft to look at your activities
-No "Genuine Validation" to impede you from obtaining updates
-No need to crack and keygen programs, or reformat your system every 5 months, due to plenty of very well engineered open-source programs (free stuff, in other words)
-Of course, if you want to install an OS on that gaming rig, then you'll have to go with Vista (unless you can install DirectX10 with XP, in which case I'd advise XP SP3 over Shista)
-But for that office, uni, school, etc work, Linux is the way to go. Also if it's the OS you're considering installing on a netbook, as opposed to a laptop or a PC
-Sucks less virtual memory, allows you to do shit faster, and frankly, I've grown to like the look and feel of Ubuntu better than any Windows OS. And that's only one of the many Linux OS'es
-For your HTPC (Home Theatre PC), if you're not rich enough to get those expensive TV players and ting, Mythbuntu as opposed to Media Center Edition is much better.


What say thou?

[Rumov]

I agree completely. Unfortunately i am a gamer so...

[sheriff 01]

I have seriously been considering going in this direction for quite some
time now but it seems i am resistant to change. I have been set in my ways for awhile now, i need to break this mould!

[clocker]

I say it's time for the masses to look at the Linux dishes.

This particular mass did just look at Ubuntu.
For about 1/2 hour.
Back to Win7 for me.

If there is supposed to be something magical about Linux, it was not apparent to me.

[JPaul]

I say it's time for the masses to look at the Linux dishes.

This particular mass did just look at Ubuntu.
For about 1/2 hour.
Back to Win7 for me.

If there is supposed to be something magical about Linux, it was not apparent to me.

Oh noes, how can you possibly use something that works.

Fuck that, I'll use something which takes ages to set up and doesn't have the drivers for the hardware I use.

[Cabalo]

I say it's time for the masses to look at the Linux dishes.

-No forcibly-installed shovelware/crapware/bolloxware
-No index.dat for Microsoft to look at your activities
-No "Genuine Validation" to impede you from obtaining updates
-No need to crack and keygen programs, or reformat your system every 5 months, due to plenty of very well engineered open-source programs (free stuff, in other words)
-Of course, if you want to install an OS on that gaming rig, then you'll have to go with Vista (unless you can install DirectX10 with XP, in which case I'd advise XP SP3 over Shista)
-But for that office, uni, school, etc work, Linux is the way to go. Also if it's the OS you're considering installing on a netbook, as opposed to a laptop or a PC
-Sucks less virtual memory, allows you to do shit faster, and frankly, I've grown to like the look and feel of Ubuntu better than any Windows OS. And that's only one of the many Linux OS'es
-For your HTPC (Home Theatre PC), if you're not rich enough to get those expensive TV players and ting, Mythbuntu as opposed to Media Center Edition is much better.


What say thou?
i've had my phase on linux. it quickly vanished with the lack of 3rd party professional software for it. all those "nice" free versions of "similar" software were way inferior to their windows counterparts.
also, gaming and linux are a no-no. Also, the hardware drivers support is substandard, so why bother? People complain that windows blabla has a lot of problems with drivers, but whoever says that for sure never tried installing lots of peripherals on a linux box. go for wireless pens, bluetooth support, full scanning support, sound support, and so on. the list goes VERY long.
Plus, contrary to most users, i do know how to configure my windows and not have any kind of crap or need to reinstall.
actually, i only reinstall windows when i change my mobo (if it has a different chipset), and even that is not completely needed on Vista, if you know your shit.
Honestly, no windows true power user would even bother go for linux distros for quotidian use.

the pure existence of WINE proves all my points.

as for servers, i only use linux to save on my monthly rent costs, other than that, server 2008 all the way, with hyper-v etc etc.
i do use both, so i think i know a bit of what i'm talking about.

[Something Else]

cawksmuggler :eyebrows:

[Filelicker]

I like linux. After all its free, I'm using it on my laptop right now. Linux Mint ftw. (As for now...) Vista hog all the memory.

[Detale]

Yes but as Clocker said Win7 beta is working great so far ;)
Also
http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/linuxdu.jpg
"Linux is for Dummies" buy it now wherever substandard OS's are sold

[Brenya]

I like linux. After all its free.
Vista Ultimate didn't cost me a cent... Linux users don't persuade me. (I'm not fond of either OpenOffice or Gimp.)

My roommate installed Kubuntu... I think he did it because (A) he's a moralfag who doesn't pirate, (B) he's dirt fucking poor, or (C) he wants to feel "l33t" (he knows html AND css, afterall). I'm leaning towards A and C, since he has a big fucking house.

[The Flying Cow]

Who said OpenOffice?

AbiWord is the fastest word processor I've ever seen, with all the characteristics or features needed in one, minus all the shiny Microspyware. Just check out the following site to try out this open-source material I'm talking about on your Windoze system, if that is your case and you're curious: www.opensourcewindows.org

I don't think we can label Linux a substandard OS and say Windows has professional apps for it. If by that you mean applications that require you to spend a very large amount of money to use them, then you would be correct. There is nothing substandard about Ubuntu. Personally I find it very easy to use. (Obviously it will take some getting used to, if you've been on Windows all your life, but that would be the same with any change of OS). The proof of Ubuntu's greatness is visible in the fact that Apple basically copied it for it's newest OSX, and that Windows Vista is already using many features it has. I'm sure this new Windows 7 will be even more plagiarizing.

Have you actually tried Ubuntu JP or are you here just to make an appearance. Hardware support is not an issue with it - in fact, it downloaded all the drivers for my hardware for me, without forcing me to install anything.

Also, I forgot to mention 98% of all spyware is written for Windows, as are viruses, thus using Linux means absolutely no headaches on that front.

If only games were made for it, I would be done with Microshaft forever.

[Mr. Mulder]

i've used linux on and off for awhile now and always seem to drift back to microbawls, its a pain in the arse having to install a dependency just to be able to scratch your nuts.

having said that, im running some custom ubuntu/dell distro on my netbook and it pretty much rawks, takes lyke 20 seconds to boot, get on the net and watch pr0n.

[Biggles]

Finally took JPs advice and got myself a wee notebook as SGG is hardly ever off the PC. Vista is a bit pants - I preferred XP. :cry: I can't find anything - the whole set up is counter intuitive. The programmers are twunts.

Edit: and the wee mouse pad thing gives me hand cramps ...and that without pron.

[Mr. Mulder]

it came without porn!? Those monsters! :cry:

[Alien5]

you could just plug a usb-mouse in.

[Biggles]

it came without porn!? Those monsters! :cry:

There are no depths microgits will not stoop too

[Barbarossa]

you could just plug a usb-mouse in.

He's right you know. you can :yes:

[clocker]

Vista is a bit pants - I preferred XP. :cry: I can't find anything - the whole set up is counter intuitive. The programmers are twunts.


I agree that the (apparent) goal of Vista engineers was to hide most of the settings and scatter them about willy-nilly.
Windows 7 has resolved all that and makes XP look as dated as it really is.
You should try it, I'd bet you'd like it.

Vista hog all the memory.
Yeah buddy...that precious memory.
Back when RAM cost a king's ransom, memory use was a big deal...today, not so much.
You can get 8GB of RAM for under a $100 today, you should live a little and splurge.

Just yesterday I reinstalled Win7 on a RAID array.
The whole process took about 20 minutes (which is faster than Ubuntu) and the only driver I needed to install myself was the Creative sound card.
The same card I could never get to work in Ubuntu.

Never could figure out how to install Ubuntu on a RAID setup either.
I'm sure there is some arcane series of command lines and other magic that will do it but Jeebus, Windows saw the array, loaded the driver and carried on with no input from me at all.
You've really got to hate an OS that does that, don't you?

[Mr. Mulder]

have you tried bashing your sudo? :eyebrows:

[clocker]

have you tried bashing your sudo? :eyebrows:
You just made that up.

[Biggles]

have you tried bashing your sudo? :eyebrows:
You just made that up.


I thought Mulder invented it.

[tesco]

have you tried bashing your sudo? :eyebrows:
:glag: Am I the only one that got it?

[brotherdoobie]

have you tried bashing your sudo? :eyebrows:
:glag: Am I the only one that got it?


It's better to bash your sudo than to abuse your `su`



-bd :naughty:

[peat moss]

To me XP is like an old friend , only it took me 5 years to set it up how I like it . My setup looks like Vista but runs flawless with 4 gb of ram ( reads 3.25 gb tho ) , so saw no need to use Vista 32 or 64 bit flavors .



Believe me I tried a few , will wait with baited breath for Sev7n tho when mainstream .

[The Flying Cow]

I think you and me might have been the only ones that got it tesco.~~

And Mulder of course.

Well that magical Windoze 7 you speak of might have been Microshit realizing Linux was taking over, thus retracing it's steps from their current monster-RAM-eating Shitista (BTW clockman, RAM is that cheap in the US of A my friend, where I stand it's still not THAT accessible) back to more simple, rural-like times.

[clocker]

Linux is taking over?
According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems), it has a long way to go.

[tesco]

I think you and me might have been the only ones that got it tesco.~~

And Mulder of course.

Well that magical Windoze 7 you speak of might have been Microshit realizing Linux was taking over, thus retracing it's steps from their current monster-RAM-eating Shitista (BTW clockman, RAM is that cheap in the US of A my friend, where I stand it's still not THAT accessible) back to more simple, rural-like times.
Linux isn't taking over anything. :lol:

I like the idea of linux but it's just not for me. Drivers are the main issue with it I find.;)

[Skiz]

I agree that the (apparent) goal of Vista engineers was to hide most of the settings and scatter them about willy-nilly.
Windows 7 has resolved all that and makes XP look as dated as it really is.
You should try it, I'd bet you'd like it.


If I had half the PC knowledge that you hold, I would try it. As is though, I wouldn't even know where to start or what to do. Reformat the C drive and install another OS? I know how to format a secondary drive using Windows, but if I were to format my C drive, Windows would be gone too. :blink:

The risk of something going wrong and then having to pay someone a to fix the PC just isn't worth it for me of most others.

[IdolEyes787]

I think you and me might have been the only ones that got it tesco.~~

And Mulder of course.



Now you're just showing off.


Like peat tried more than a few but I'll stick to Windows.No use of throwing out a saddle after you've gone to the time and trouble of breaking it in.

[Cabalo]

I agree that the (apparent) goal of Vista engineers was to hide most of the settings and scatter them about willy-nilly.
Windows 7 has resolved all that and makes XP look as dated as it really is.
You should try it, I'd bet you'd like it.


If I had half the PC knowledge that you hold, I would try it. As is though, I wouldn't even know where to start or what to do. Reformat the C drive and install another OS? I know how to format a secondary drive using Windows, but if I were to format my C drive, Windows would be gone too. :blink:

The risk of something going wrong and then having to pay someone a to fix the PC just isn't worth it for me of most others.
man, use VMWare to install it "virtually" and check for yourself what you think of it.
then, if u decide to go ahead installing it as a primary OS, mostly what you need to do is to backup all your sensitive data (docs, pics, etc etc) and go ahead.
Making a partition in the HDD would even allow u to use both, deciding at the boot which one to go.

[IdolEyes787]

So it's like Vista in that respect?

[clocker]

In what respect?

[tesco]

In what respect?
Clocker do you know how to remove 'libraries' and 'homegroup' from the left sidebar in windows explorer windows?
I can right click, delete, and it removes it but once I close the window and open a new one it's back again.:rolleyes:

[mossy123]

Linux sucks bigtime. I tried to install some some codecs once and Linux bullshit had me so frustrated I formatted the piece of crap and went back to good old MS. At least I can double click on a file and self installs without me needed a degree. LINUX is kak and is onl;y usuable by geeks.

[brotherdoobie]

I think you and me might have been the only ones that got it tesco.~~

And Mulder of course.

Well that magical Windoze 7 you speak of might have been Microshit realizing Linux was taking over, thus retracing it's steps from their current monster-RAM-eating Shitista (BTW clockman, RAM is that cheap in the US of A my friend, where I stand it's still not THAT accessible) back to more simple, rural-like times.




:glag: Am I the only one that got it?


It's better to bash your sudo than to abuse your `su`



-bd :naughty:


Piss off, amateur. :snooty:

[clocker]

In what respect?
Clocker do you know how to remove 'libraries' and 'homegroup' from the left sidebar in windows explorer windows?
I can right click, delete, and it removes it but once I close the window and open a new one it's back again.:rolleyes:
The only place I could think to look was gpedit.msc but there were no options to remove those items.
Basically, I haven't a clue.

[peat moss]

I think you and me might have been the only ones that got it tesco.~~

And Mulder of course.

Well that magical Windoze 7 you speak of might have been Microshit realizing Linux was taking over, thus retracing it's steps from their current monster-RAM-eating Shitista (BTW clockman, RAM is that cheap in the US of A my friend, where I stand it's still not THAT accessible) back to more simple, rural-like times.

I'd be happy to send you some memory c.o.d if that helps .

Kingston KVR667D2N5K2/2G 2GB Kit 2x1GB DDR2 667Mhz for 59.00 CND

Kingston KVR800D2N6/2G 2GB DDR2 800Mhz Retail Box (Lifetime Warranty) for 39.00 Cnd .

[clocker]

Aw, that's sweet.
Canadians are such nice people.

Except for Inuits...I think they're cannibals and they eat baby seals.

[brotherdoobie]

Aw, that's sweet.
Canadians are such nice people.

Except for Inuits...I think they're cannibals and they eat baby seals.

Jesus is Canadian. True story.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/brotherdoobie/jesus-saves-hockey-full.gif



-bd

[mbucari1]

http://i43.tinypic.com/21k08p4.jpg

[The Flying Cow]

Haha...how you doing these days mbucari? It's me VillageShaman, ScT?

[thewizeard]

I say it's time for the masses to look at the Linux dishes.

-No forcibly-installed shovelware/crapware/bolloxware
-No index.dat for Microsoft to look at your activities
-No "Genuine Validation" to impede you from obtaining updates
-No need to crack and keygen programs, or reformat your system every 5 months, due to plenty of very well engineered open-source programs (free stuff, in other words)
-Of course, if you want to install an OS on that gaming rig, then you'll have to go with Vista (unless you can install DirectX10 with XP, in which case I'd advise XP SP3 over Shista)
-But for that office, uni, school, etc work, Linux is the way to go. Also if it's the OS you're considering installing on a netbook, as opposed to a laptop or a PC
-Sucks less virtual memory, allows you to do shit faster, and frankly, I've grown to like the look and feel of Ubuntu better than any Windows OS. And that's only one of the many Linux OS'es
-For your HTPC (Home Theatre PC), if you're not rich enough to get those expensive TV players and ting, Mythbuntu as opposed to Media Center Edition is much better.


What say thou?

hardly any good software for it

[thewizeard]

also virtual memory is not an issue, multiple cores handling programs like google earth adobe audition, office because it's become a standard..and MSN messenger with video calls and so on ad-infinitum. Pidgeon is crap.

[Detale]

Linux is for high school kids who want to rebel against their parents windows machines and feel cool while playing dungeons and dragons. Hoping their friends will bring up the OS conversation so they can "brag" about how non mainstream it is.

[Cabalo]

Linux is for high school kids who want to rebel against their parents windows machines and feel cool while playing dungeons and dragons. Hoping their friends will bring up the OS conversation so they can "brag" about how non mainstream it is.
you said it like it was a joke, but man, that's so true.
same applies to university students.

[The Flying Cow]

Or, Linux is used by people who want to make a stand - nay, who do take a stand - against blatant monopoly, which is what we see in the OS market.

I'm sorry but I don't like the fact that netbooks are forced to have 1.60GHz, 1GB RAM and 80GB (now 160G) HDDs because these are the 'restrictions' that Microcrap gives for companies who still want to use it's XP. I don't like the fact that they can put the price on the license for their OS as they see fit (what competition is there?) in other words, XP and Vista licenses costing the same.
Ad infinitum.

And frankly, gaming aside, I'm actually going to consider installing Ubuntu on my future netbook. The only reason I can think of for using Windows XP would be to have Office 2007 with the newest perks on PowerPoint for oral presentations. Other than that, Ubuntu, for a work-only machine, is, in my sincere opinion, far superior to XP, and most importantly to Vista.
(NB: I'm speaking of a NON-GAMING machine).

Awaits wave of criticisms.

[Proper Bo]

I don't understand the typical (from what I've seen on the internets) attitude of linux users towards windaes. I don't see the problem with people generally wanting an OS that just works, without having to pissabout trying to find workarounds and drivers.

[The Flying Cow]

Well I didn't have to find any drivers for my lappie when I installed Ubuntu. It installed them all by itself (something that wasn't the case with Windows, where I had to install all these drivers from a CD-ROM).

Also, Windows XP works for a few months, before it needs a reformat (I understand maybe I'm not the savviest of How-to-make-Windows-last-longer-than-that users) but in general the registry just fills up with codswallop.

Vista is a mess, unless, of course, you have a 2.5 GHz+ processor (with 2GB RAM+) or a Triple-Core thing going on. These requirements make it difficult to have Vista on lappies, especially the smaller ones (unless you're willing to dish out $2000 for a mini-laptop).

It's funny that Dell released the Inspiron Mini 12 with Vista installed. With 1GB RAM and a 1.60GHz processor, the thing took about 3 minutes to boot up. Not to mention the lag was a serious problem.

[Proper Bo]

I run vista on a 3ghz p4 and it works fine:unsure:

[The Flying Cow]

Then again, 3GHz is middle-to-high-range in these times, isn't it? (excluding dual and quad cores)

[Proper Bo]

if you exclude dual and quad core, yes. If you include them, as they are becoming standard, then 3ghz is a massive pile of wank.

[clocker]

Aerial Ruminant, have you tried Windows 7?
It addresses many of the objections you seem to have.

[Detale]

Or, Linux is used by people who want to make a stand - nay, who do take a stand - against blatant monopoly, which is what we see in the OS market.

I'm sorry but I don't like the fact that netbooks are forced to have 1.60GHz, 1GB RAM and 80GB (now 160G) HDDs because these are the 'restrictions' that Microcrap gives for companies who still want to use it's XP. I don't like the fact that they can put the price on the license for their OS as they see fit (what competition is there?) in other words, XP and Vista licenses costing the same.
Ad infinitum.

And frankly, gaming aside, I'm actually going to consider installing Ubuntu on my future netbook. The only reason I can think of for using Windows XP would be to have Office 2007 with the newest perks on PowerPoint for oral presentations. Other than that, Ubuntu, for a work-only machine, is, in my sincere opinion, far superior to XP, and most importantly to Vista.
(NB: I'm speaking of a NON-GAMING machine).

Awaits wave of criticisms.
Monopoly, maybe but the guy started out in a garage and made his way. He is the American dream. I say he deserves half what he has as no one deserves to have that much.:P

All I hear are excuses man. gaming machine aside XP was good and Vista is a bomb we all know it, but W7 is looking awesome. Those restrictions are bringing you a better more powerful machine. and forcing standards in HW to improve. Now the HW standards far exceed the software that runs on them. IMO this is what you want so your not stuck with an obsolete machine as fast.

@ Cabalo I wasn't jokin man I used to see it alot.

[The Flying Cow]

Aerial Ruminant, have you tried Windows 7?
It addresses many of the objections you seem to have.

I'll give it a whirl when I have the chance.

[Biggles]

I did read that the sales of Vista are crashing as people wait for W7. I think Vista will be the latest ME of the MS OS.

I have sort of got used to Vista now but I think it is poorly laid out and bloated - some things take an age to load. It is at the pomp rock of Spinal Tap stage. Let's hope W7 is a little leaner and meaner.

[anoneemuse]

man if someones paranoid about security , how could "they" even trust the sudo apt get ubuntu repositories ? and other versions of disotros like slackware wont work if everybody in your family is gona use the only pc available .. family learning curve > fail :dabs:

[Afronaut]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5238/motivationallinuxud6.jpg

[TheKebab]

Bleh, I want to build a computer and use it, not put down all my time on messing with the OS :P

[Biggles]

man if someones paranoid about security , how could "they" even trust the sudo apt get ubuntu repositories ? and other versions of disotros like slackware wont work if everybody in your family is gona use the only pc available .. family learning curve > fail :dabs:

I couldn't agree, even if I understood it.

True story