Just Wondering....

[MusicChick]

I was wondering about something. I know that the RIAA can type in a song, see what comes up, and scan one of those users shared files. (At least that's how I think they do it) They can see what we share and get us for distributing copyrighted material, but is there any way for them to see us download stuff? They are only going after people that share right now, but how in the world, if they did, would they see us downloading and what we download? Wouldn't they have to use a hacking device, which of course would be illegal? Hope I made sense.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 11:20
is there any way for them to see us download stuff?
Not an issue currently...

[MusicChick]

I'm glad it's not an issue right now, but is it possible?

[RealitY]

Sure...
Just stick something in a shared folder and wait for you to dl...
Although it could be labled as entrapment I suppose...

[MusicChick]

I'm sorry I mean something like, for example, if you were looking over someone's shoulder while they were downloading a song. I was talking about if they could watch what you do own your own computer. Spy on you like.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 11:35
I'm sorry I mean something like, for example, if you were looking over someone's shoulder while they were downloading a song. I was talking about if they could watch what you do own your own computer. Spy on you like.
Not legally...
No.

Although They Could...

Just stick something in a shared folder and wait for you to dl...
As soon as you were to start dl from them, they would/could get you IP then.

[MusicChick]

Well if they had any mp3s it would be like the pot calling the kettle black. They would be doing the same thing they are accusing us of.

I didn't think it was possible to see what someone was downloading or doing on their computer, except if someone was a super genius hacker.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 11:50
Well if they had any mp3s it would be like the pot calling the kettle black. They would be doing the same thing they are accusing us of.
Actually in theory they have the copyright so they could...


I didn't think it was possible to see what someone was downloading or doing on their computer, except if someone was a super genius hacker.
It can be done, your ISP can see anything really...

[MusicChick]

Wow that's kinda scary. Better use an anonymizer or something.

[asmithz]

A4proxy is the best.

Here's a proxy you can use on kazaa 210.82.212.187:1813

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 11:57
Wow that's kinda scary. Better use an anonymizer or something.
Whats So SCARY...

[MusicChick]

Originally posted by Shad0w Hacker@14 September 2003 - 04:59
A4proxy is the best.

Here's a proxy you can use on kazaa 210.82.212.187:1813
I've used that proxy on Kazza. It's Canadian right? That was the only one that would connect.

[asmithz]

Yeah

This one in india
61.11.76.116:1080

i got them both from reality

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MusicChick+14 September 2003 - 12:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MusicChick @ 14 September 2003 - 12:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Shad0w Hacker@14 September 2003 - 04:59
A4proxy is the best.

Here&#39;s a proxy you can use on kazaa 210.82.212.187:1813
I&#39;ve used that proxy on Kazza. It&#39;s Canadian right? That was the only one that would connect. [/b][/quote]
I&#39;ll update again tommorrow night...
Tired at the moment...

[MusicChick]

Originally posted by REALITY+14 September 2003 - 04:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY &#064; 14 September 2003 - 04:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 11:50
Well if they had any mp3s it would be like the pot calling the kettle black. They would be doing the same thing they are accusing us of.
Actually in theory they have the copyright so they could...


I didn&#39;t think it was possible to see what someone was downloading or doing on their computer, except if someone was a super genius hacker.
It can be done, your ISP can see anything really...[/b][/quote]
What&#39;s scary is that your isp can see what you do.

[J'Pol]

Please bear in mind that they are not prosecuting people they are suing them, on behalf of their members. So they need a balance of probability proof that you are sharing material which one of their members holds the copyright for.

So if you have 500 files and they download say 10 from you, it is reasonable to say that the other 490 are what they are described as. They would then sue you for 500 files. (I use "from you" for simplicity). I realise it is a many to one system. I am assuming that they are downloading from one sharer and not many. Either that or they are saying that, the system only works if you have the whole file. As such if you supply part of it, then you have all of it.

This is, in my opinion, the reason why not showing your list of shared files is important. That way they can only download songs which they put into a search. They cannot get a list of everything you have.

As Reality says they can also get your IP and from that trace you back to your ISP, so a method to conceal your true IP is a good idea.

[asmithz]

Go here http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

To see what information they can find about you.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by JPaul@14 September 2003 - 12:05
the system only works if you have the whole file. As such if you supply part of it, then you have all of it.
Interesting, is this why they have yet to touch partial file sharing networks perhaps...

EDIT: JPaul, when I saw your post I thought for sure you were coming in to play the role of the guy at the AA again...
:lol: :lol:

[RealitY]

Originally posted by MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 12:05
What&#39;s scary is that your isp can see what you do.
They really don&#39;t care about this shit generally...
They&#39;ve been promoting file sharing for some time untill lately.
They only care if you exceed their limits or general TOS stuff...

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by REALITY+14 September 2003 - 12:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 14 September 2003 - 12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@14 September 2003 - 12:05
the system only works if you have the whole file. As such if you supply part of it, then you have all of it.
Interesting, is this why they have yet to touch partial file sharing networks perhaps...

EDIT: JPaul, when I saw your post I thought for sure you were coming in to play the role of the guy at the AA again...
:lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
FastTrack is a many to one system unless I am mistaken.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by JPaul@14 September 2003 - 12:23
FastTrack is a many to one system unless I am mistaken.
Not sure what your saying, though I&#39;ll PM you as to what I&#39;m trying to say...

[J'Pol]

Partial files are shared, so each person may only provide some of the file. Tho&#39; sometimes there is only one source. Is that not the case.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by JPaul@14 September 2003 - 12:37
Partial files are shared, so each person may only provide some of the file. Tho&#39; sometimes there is only one source. Is that not the case.
Parts of the file are shared on FT, although you must have the whole file to begin sharing any of it...

On eMule and other you can share parts of the file even before yours is completed.
Thus if they caught you on such a network you could state you didn&#39;t have that file in theory...

I&#39;m always lOOking for that legal angle you see...

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by REALITY+14 September 2003 - 12:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 14 September 2003 - 12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@14 September 2003 - 12:37
Partial files are shared, so each person may only provide some of the file. Tho&#39; sometimes there is only one source. Is that not the case.
Parts of the file are shared on FT, although you must have the whole file to begin sharing any of it...

On eMule and other you can share parts of the file even before yours is completed.
Thus if they caught you on such a network you could state you didn&#39;t have that file in theory...

I&#39;m always lOOking for that legal angle you see... [/b][/quote]
Your point is a good one and well made, however I fundamentally disagree with it.

See my PM, it would obviously depend on the wording and intent of the legislation in the particular country.

[RealitY]

I have and replied...

[MusicChick]

Originally posted by REALITY+14 September 2003 - 05:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 14 September 2003 - 05:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MusicChick@14 September 2003 - 12:05
What&#39;s scary is that your isp can see what you do.
They really don&#39;t care about this shit generally...
They&#39;ve been promoting file sharing for some time untill lately.
They only care if you exceed their limits or general TOS stuff... [/b][/quote]
What is TOS by the way?

[MagicNakor]

Terms of Service.

:ninja:

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by MusicChick@15 September 2003 - 08:46
What is TOS by the way?
terms of service

edit: a little slow...doesn&#39;t hurt to get a second opinion... :rolleyes:

[MusicChick]

Oh, ok. Thank you.