Lyndon Larouche

[J'Pol]

Lyndon Larouche is the founder and contributing editor of the Executive Intelligence Review. The articles to be found there are to say the least interesting, some would describe them as conspiracy theories.

However others see a more sinister side to this man, who has served 5 years of a 15 year jail term for tax fraud and rather bizarely claims that The Grateful Dead were created by British Intelligence.

This is rather long but is worth reading.

ByMatthew Robinson
Editor in Chief

Students are drawn to the LaRouche table on campus by political discussion.
Photo by Matthew Robinson

Each semester, hundreds of students pass by a table set up in front of the D building in the quad, where supporters of Lyndon LaRouche try to interest students in their political agenda. For those who stop and agree to go to an off- campus meeting, they often find themselves entangled in a worldwide cult.
Philip Mullendore, chief of campus police, reported that they get complaints on regular basis from students about La Rouche recruits harassing them in the quad. Others complain of repeated phone calls, urging them to attend a meeting. Many students who attend those meetings end up dropping out of school and devoting their lives to LaRouche.

"We have documented several incidents of aggressive tactics by this group and we monitor them very closely," said Mullendore.

The mother of an 18-year-old student who was lured into the cult complained to campus police that the LaRouche group had taken over her son's life.

The LaRouche organization, which has thousands of members worldwide, are constantly recruiting young people to spread the groups philosophy and to raise money for the cause.

The group targets maladjusted, unhappy and confused young people who feel they don't belong. The organizers become their "friends" and give them a cause. They also give them meetings to attend so they feel a part of a group.

One PCC student, who recently broke the group's hold on his life, told the Courier in an exclusive interview about his experiences in the LaRouche organization from his recruitment on campus to his recent escape. The student, who will be referred to as Tom in the story, did not want his real name used. He said it's hard enough trying to "reclaim your life and friends" without everyone knowing you are a former cult member.

"I was going to PCC, and I was at the end of my second semester. In September of last year, I came across the LaRouche table in the quad. "Take a minute come over here." said an organizer as I passed his table. At first they say things that get you really excited about what they are talking about. They look for people like me who are pissed off and want to do something. They want people who are opinionated and who are looking for a place to fit in," said Tom, the 18-year-old who spent a year in the organization.

When I approached the table in quad, the woman I met said she had been recruiting for seven years. She started out by saying

"School is a bunch of bullshit and you should join the movement fulltime." While not all recruits say things like that, it is encouraged in order to make a connection with the young people.

"The thing that grabbed me was that she said, "School is a bunch of bullshit." He said I thought it was real interesting that there was a group of people at PCC at a political table telling students that school is bullshit," Tom said when he stopped to talk politics, he was looking for something other than the mainstream political thinkers. They got me to sign up for their paper, and I gave them some money. Then they said to come to a meeting, and I took a bunch of literature home." From what he read, he said it appeared that this group might just have the answers to all the worlds problems. "Then the phone calls started coming," he said.

"That's what they do. They call you every night, sometimes two times a night. If the people they are trying to recruit are being difficult, they harass them even more."

Tom said, it was not hard to get him to a meeting. He went and immediately started arguing with everything the members were saying. "Little did I know, that the more I argued the more they were brainwashing me," Tom said. He said the meetings seemed harmless. They were broken up into two parts. The first part was a political update, and the second part was a class where new recruits might hear about a health issue or be given a history lesson on the revolutionary war. However at the end of the class, they tie it all in to the current situation, and then to LaRouche politics."

One of the reasons there is so much recruitment now, is that the last time the organization recruited heavily was between 1967 through 1974, so most of the core members of the organization are in their 50s ."They need to recruit the next generation," said Tom.

Once you start listening, you'll hear over and over that LaRouche is the solution to every problem in the world. They'll ask, "Do you want children in Africa to starve?" Of course you don't, so they convince you that you have to come to a meeting. They repeatedly tell you if you don't come to the meeting, you must want the world to starve. So you go to the meeting," he said.

One of the hallmarks of the LaRouche organization is to turn you against your family, Tom said. They tell you that "family values are really immoral, they are only in place to keep you from getting political. They say that the baby-boomers are evil and are corrupted by the British neo-liberal banking establishment, but it's not their fault.

"The more you are around these people, the more they turn you against your parents and your friends. "They want you to try and recruit your friends. "What they tell you if your friends resist is they are" blocked," and you should just leave them behind. They are not worth it. They ask what's more important, your friends or the world?" Soon you see yourself as someone who can actually change the world and you really do see your friends and family as obstacles.

Tom moved out of his parent's house and moved to Glendale. The organization paid his rent, phone bill, and all his utilities. He also got $50 a week for food.

Once you alienate your family and let the group support you, you've got nowhere else to go, Tom said.

By this time Tom was really involved. It was his turn to bring in others.

"Another big thing I know happens on the PCC campus, is to get a student off the campus and to a meeting. Then the next day they have them working at a LaRouche table. It helps reinforce the beliefs, and gets the new recruit to more meetings." These meetings are the most important things in the world to the group. They say there is nothing better you can do with your time because that is where they manipulate you and teach you to manipulate others, he said.

Some of the people, who were recruited on campus, are now at the book table. The idea is that once you are in a position where you have to convince someone that LaRouche is the answer, in the process you convince yourself more and more." Tom said, they teach people to twist things in such a way that it makes them feel stupid for asking the question.

"I resisted working on campus for a long time. I did not want to go work a book table, but they finally got me out there. Soon as they got me out there, I was in!"

"My recruitment took about four months. "Although some people dropped out of school right away and joined in a matter of weeks."

Many students who become part of the organization never break away. "It is next to impossible to get out once they have you, Tom said. "They actually brainwash you."

"I cannot pinpoint when I was brainwashed, it just happened overtime. When you are there, you love it. It's like being high. You get an intellectual euphoria, because you feel in a position of ultimate power. You can prove anyone wrong on anything because you are equipped with these amazing manipulation techniques. You feel like you have the weight of the world on your shoulders and that you alone are saving it.

Everyday they reinforce what you are doing by always telling you that you are the best and you're doing a great job. You get the respect of people many times older than you. It's a high that blinds you to reality. What they do is feed your ego so much, you can't see anything else. It's comfortable; it's like a womb."

The organization has attracted the attention of the FBI, CIA and other government agencies. Because of the claims that members are brainwashed and forced to work for the group, the LaRouche organization is closely monitored.

"It is frightening the network they have as far as intelligence contacts. Contacts within governments, contacts within different news sources. Even people who oppose LaRouche say he has one of the best private intelligence agencies around, said Tom

He emphasized that LaRouche is not particularly dangerous on a worldwide level, "but on a personal level, such as manipulating your thoughts and your psyche, he is lethal,"

The student explained that "on any given week coming to PCC we could get three or four students to a meeting, and maybe one every two weeks would come and work a table with us."

"We have 20 youth organizers, and three or four came from PCC. That's a pretty big percentage considering they organize on 20-30 college campuses."

He said any student who goes to the table, shows any kind of interest, and gives them a phone number is guaranteed to get a lot of phone calls."

PCC is one of the prime locations to recruit along with Cal State Northridge and LACC.

Tom explained what finally got him to realize he was in a cult.

One day right after Sept.11, "I had a confrontation with a WWII veteran, and that conversation just about killed me. I put up a sign that said, "War doesn't make peace." He came up to me and said, "If you were a veteran, you would not put that sign up. Then he started to talk to me, and I just realized that I am fucking brainwashed and totally in a cult." It was at that point he started to think about how he was now thinking about the world. Leaders of the group told them not to watch TV news, particularly CNN. They said the WTC attacks "were just the governments way of taking the people's mind off the economy."

"On the following Sunday I did exactly what the organization told me what not to do. I watched CNN."

I realized then that I was not looking at this the right way at all. The organization was trying to take the deaths of 6000 people to boost LaRouche higher up on his pedestal and get more money."

"That night I called my parents and told them I wanted them to show up at my apartment with a moving van.

" I had to be gone before they knew I was going He said the big challenge in leaving is getting back your identity and coming in contact with all the friends you haven't called in months because you were told they were fascists." Tom is also receiving psychotherapy from a cult exit counselor.

"LaRouche is a big time cult, and it's really upsetting that a cult is legally able to recruit on a college campus as a non-profit political organization."

Tom warns everyone, not to try to challenge the group to prove they are wrong or that they are in a cult. Recruiters welcome these challenges and can turn these people around faster than anyone."

If you want to understand LaRouche, or how any cult works, read George Orwell's 1984. It's terrifying how much that book is LaRouche. Of course, the organization discourages members from reading the book."

"If you want to find out about LaRouche, do not talk to the people inside the organization. The ones you need to talk to are the people who have experienced LaRouche and have dealt with his organization before. People who have studied the organization for an extended period of time are the ones who can give current information. For example, if you want to find out about a movie, you don't ask the people who made the movie what they think about it.

Tom says his mission now is to educate students about the evils of the LaRouche group and the dangers of approaching a table. "I'm trying to redeem myself for recruiting students and ripping off little old ladies while I was with LaRouche," said Tom. Some older people donate their entire Social Security check to the cause hoping to make a difference in the world. "If I can get the word out and stop people from heading over to the tables then I've done my job. If I can save one student, then I've succeeded in my atonement."

Andrew Campa contributed to this article.

[Billy_Dean]

This does too ...

"Although in the extraordinary condition of these times the church usually acquiesces [says nothing about] in certain modern freedoms. She does so not because she prefers them in themselves but because she judges it expedient to permit them until, in better days, she can assert her own liberty."

Early in the 20th century, the Catholic Church still considered democracy an offense against the God-given order (monarchy) and subsequently aligned itself with the facist regimes in Spain, Croatia, Germany and Italy. The Vatican's infatuation with facism came to an abrupt end in May 1945, when it became apparent that further support of facism would be inexpedient and a tactical commitment to democracy was now required.

Today, when pope John Paul II speaks of "freedom", all he means is the political freedom of peoples, not individual freedom. Individual freedom for the Catholic Church is for individuals to abide willingly by its moral teachings. True individual freedom, such as the freedom to have a different religion than Christianity, or none, or the freedom over your own body and your own sexuality, is rejected by the Catholic Church as an "abuse" of freedom. This Orwellian idea of freedom has its own codeword: authentic freedom. Pope John Paul II himself summarized this principle on his visit to the US in 1993, admonishing the crowd that

"Freedom does not consist in doing whatever we choose, but in having the right to choose to do what we ought."

:)

[Billy_Dean]

And this ...


"The connection between the Catholic church an Facism lies not in the actual
teachings of Catholicism but in the methodology of teaching it. Hitler admired
the Church for this reason; its knowledge of human nature, it hierarchal
organization, its discipline, its uncommonly clever tactics.

Hitler is quoted as saying, "I have followed the Church in giving our party
program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years
since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its ammendment, every
logical criticsm or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized
that anything and everything can be built upon a document of that sort, no
matter how contradictory, or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will
swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be
brought to bear on it."



:)

[J'Pol]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You think you can deflect by attacking the Catholic Church. You honestly think this is not a transparent tactic.


Here's a few quotes from Mr Larouche



Judaism

“Judaism is the religion of a caste of subjects of Christianity, entirely molded by ingenious rabbis to fit into the ideological and secular life of Christianity. In short, a selfsustaining Judaism never existed and never could exist. As for Jewish culture otherwise, it is merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the Goyim.”

“The Case of Ludwig Feuerbach”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
(under pen name L. Marcus), The Campaigner, December 1973

“America must be cleansed for its righteous war by the immediate elimination of the Nazi Jewish Lobby and other British agents from the councils of government, industry, and labor.”

“A War-winning Strategy”, Editorial, New Solidarity, March 1978

Jazz

“Jazz was foisted on black Americans by the same oligarchy which had run the U.S. slave trade, with the help of the classically trained but immoral George Gershwin and the Paris-New York circuit of drug-taking avant-garde artists.”

“The Racist Roots of Jazz”, Back Cover,
The Campaigner, September-October 1980

Zionism

“Zionism is the state of collective psychosis through which London manipulates most of international Jewry.”

“Zionism Is Not Judaism” Editorial,
The Campaigner, December 1978

Harold Washington

“Washington was elected with a strong homosexual vote, backed by the pro-drug, pro-pornography Playboy Foundation.”

The Beatles

“The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by agencies which are controlled by British intelligence.”

“Why Your Child Became A Drug Addict” Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

Adolf Hitler

“The first, and most important fact to be recognized concerning the Hitler regime, is that Adolf Hitler was put into power in Germany on orders from London. The documentation of this matter is abundant and conclusive.”

“Humboldt Versus Hitler”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., The Campaigner, August 1978

The Rockefellers

“The Rockefeller designs for fascism are essentially identical with the Hitler and Mussolini forms of the past.”

“The Conceptual History of the Labor Committees”, Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr.,
(under pen name L. Marcus), The Campaigner, October 1974

“Nelson A. Rockefeller is a raving fascist presently pushing as rapidly as he is able to impose a fascist police-state in the U.S.A. before the 1976 elections.”

“The Guts Needed to Survive”, Editorial, The Campaigner, August 1975

Britain

“Britain has in fact two governments, the first a parliamentary charade for the edification of the credulous, the other the real monarchial government.”

“The Secrets Known Only To The Inner Elites” Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
The Campaigner, May-June 1978

“We shall end the rule of irrationalist episodic majorities, of British liberal notions of ‘democracy.’“

“Creating a Republican Labor Party” Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Citizens for LaRouche Policy Statement, c. 1980

History

“History as it is taught in leading American universities today is a deliberate systematic fraud. History textbooks in our public schools, in particular insofar as they pertain to the American Revolution and the issues leading up to the Civil War, are total frauds.”

Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., Radio broadcast,
WGPR, Detroit, March 20, 1979

The Philippines

“First, we have the situation in the Philippines, where the State Department is virtually campaigning to give the islands to Moscow. The major source of complaints about ‘human rights’ in that island nation is now the same circle of U.S. senators, newspapers, and State Department Bureaucrats who were responsible for bringing down the Shah of Iran.”

“The Dangers of the Summit Obsession”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Executive Intelligence Review, November 8, 1985

Journalists

“A journalist not on someone’s intelligence-service pad is the rarest of all species, perhaps as rare as the Dodo.”

“A Rebuke to Senator Percy”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
National Democratic Policy Committee Statement, November 26, 1981

Milton Friedman

“Friedman’s good repute among American conservatives is a result of a monstrous hoax. ... Friedman has admitted, without the slightest sign of embarrassment, that his economic doctrines are a resurrection of those of Nazi Economics Minister Hjalmar Schacht....Dose Friedman himself propose to murder some tens of millions of ‘useless eaters’?...It is not merely that the inner content of his economics is fascist, but that he demands the destruction of every criterion of reason that might hold us back from the horrifying final consequences of his policies.”

“The Ugly Truth About Milton Friedman”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. and David P. Goldman, New Benjamin Franklin Publishing House (1980)

Henry A. Kissinger

“Under Henry A. Kissinger’s two terms as Acting President of the United States, agencies committed to genocide were made institutions of both the National Security Council and State Department.”

“The Frameup of Harrison Williams”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Executive Intelligence Review, September 22, 1981

“Episcopagans”

“The inner hierarchy of the Episcopagan church is properly viewed not merely as something within the established Church of England, but as a coordinating agency for an array of forces with arms not only among Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern autocephalic denominations....It controls, with complicity of Venice, Libya’s psychotic Colonel Khadafy, and most of the New York Council on Foreign Relations, as well as the psychological warfare and assassination arm of British intelligence, the London Tavistock Institute.”

“Why the Anglicans Want to Eliminate the Pope”,
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., Executive Intelligence Review, June 2, 1981

Harvard and MIT

“Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) are among a handful of leading centers of fascist social engineering research and development throughout the post-war U.S. Other universities of comparable status include Columbia University, Cornell University, University of Pennsylvania, University of Michigan, University of Chicago, University of California at Berkeley, and Leland Stanford University.”

“What Happened To Integration”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
The Campaigner, August 1975

The FBI

“From its beginnings under Quaker-linked Attorney General J. Mitchell Palmer, the FBI was intended to become a political ‘Gestapo,’ serving the interests of foreign supranational powers dedicated to subverting and taking over the United States.”

“Why Reagan Must Purge the FBI”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Executive Intelligence Review, February 3, 1981

Self-assessment

“Apart from those accomplishments which are as much an organic product of the U.S. Labor Party as my own efforts, my principal accomplishment is that of being, by a large margin of advantage, the leading economist of the twentieth century to date. That distinction can be most easily defended, since it is not quantitative, but qualitative.”

“The Power of Reason - A Kind of an Autobiography”,
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., New Benjamin Franklin Publishing House (1979)

Israelis

Can one punish sheep for being sheep? The Israelis have behaved with monstrous, worse-than-Nazi bestiality. But are not sheep bestial? Are not the Israelis behaving with the bestiality of terrified sheep, driven to homicidal psychosis by their won bestial fears? What can be done with such bestial Israelis, except to transform them from bestial sheep, to take them out of the kibbutz sheep-pens of psychosis, and employ the method of the Platonic dialogue to transform them into genuine men and women of reason?”

“Despite What Israel Has Done” Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
The Campaigner, March 1978

AIDS

“AIDS is More Deadly Than Nuclear War”

Authorized Statement, National Democratic Policy Committee,
October 1985

“So far, the world’s leading experts see no way in which the Soviet biological-warfare apparatus could have created AIDS in a test-tube. However, it is in the strategic interests of Moscow to see to it that the West does nothing to stop this pandemic; within a few years, at the present rates, the spread of AIDS in Asia, Africa, Western Europe, and the Americas would permit Moscow to take over the world almost without firing a shot.”

“The Lesson of the Merchant of Venice”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Executive Intelligence Review, November 1, 1985

The Jones Cult

“The two official U.S. government agencies most directly responsible for the Symbionese Liberation Army and the Jones Peoples Temple cult are the U.S. Air Force Intelligence and the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Until the massive BritishZionist controlling penetration of those two elements of the Pentagon’s intelligence establishment is cleaned out, untold horrors will continue to proliferate in the United States.”

“Now, Do You Sleep With One Eye Open?”, Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr.,
Campaigner Special Report, Copyright 1978

Impotence

“To the extent that my physical powers do not prevent me, I am now confident and capable of ending your [NCLC members’] political - and sexual - impotence; the two are interconnected aspects of the same problem.”

“The Politics of Male Impotence”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
(under pen name L. Marcus) NCLC Internal Document, August 16, 1973

Warmongers

“Who is pushing the world toward war? is the forces behind the World Wildlife Fund, the Club of Rome, and the heritage of H.G. Wells and the evil Bertrand Russell.”

“An Open Letter to President Brezhnev”, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.,
Executive Intelligence Review, June 2, 1981

[Billy_Dean]

The amusing thing about this is, I have never endorsed LaRouche, but the more I hear of him, the more I like him.

He sounds very catholic too, don't you think?

These are gems, I must repeat them ..

"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent ... "

“Britain has in fact two governments, the first a parliamentary charade for the edification of the credulous, the other the real monarchial government.”

“Under Henry A. Kissinger’s two terms as Acting President of the United States, agencies committed to genocide were made institutions of both the National Security Council and State Department.”

"Can one punish sheep for being sheep? The Israelis have behaved with monstrous, worse-than-Nazi bestiality. But are not sheep bestial? Are not the Israelis behaving with the bestiality of terrified sheep, driven to homicidal psychosis by their won bestial fears? What can be done with such bestial Israelis, except to transform them from bestial sheep, to take them out of the kibbutz sheep-pens of psychosis, and employ the method of the Platonic dialogue to transform them into genuine men and women of reason?”

“Jazz was foisted on black Americans by the same oligarchy which had run the U.S. slave trade, with the help of the classically trained but immoral George Gershwin and the Paris-New York circuit of drug-taking avant-garde artists.”



:)

[ilw]

Lmao. This Lyndon fellow seems like a nice well balanced guy, I think i may just subscribe.

[Biggles]

Isn't he the guy from the Sex Pistols?

That quote about the Beatles looks familiar. B)

[Rat Faced]

Looks like we have our next US President......

[ilw]

Do you reckon he actually believes the stuff he says, or is it just a gambit to make money / wield some power.
info on his campaign and some more of his views http://larouchein2004.net/

[j2k4]

Mr. LaRouche was our resident all-purpose fringe/lunatic "candidate of no consequence".

Most regarded him as pure entertainment; regretfully only slightly less impactful than Al Sharpton, who has, however informally, replaced him in that capacity.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+28 September 2003 - 20:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean &#064; 28 September 2003 - 20:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The amusing thing about this is, I have never endorsed LaRouche, but the more I hear of him, the more I like him.

[/b]
Too late - you pointed people to his material as a source of your information.

Why would you do this if you did not endorse it. In fact as I recall you said you subscribe to it, did you encourage others to do the same.

<!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean
I can&#39;t give you links to info I use, you have to suscribe. I&#39;ll point you to some tho&#39;, you can Google plenty of info yourself if you find the right keywords.

Executive Intelligence Review

Read especially ...

The SAS: Prince Philip&#39;s manager of terrorism.

and..

London&#39;s assault on the nation-state[/quote]


Oh an j2k2 I would not assume that this nutter is a candidate of no consequence read some of the stuff. He may never be US president, that does not prevent him having a cult following and brainwashing people to believe his nonsense. Or to train others from spreading the word and recruiting on his behalf.

[Biggles]

Fringe candidate?

We used to have one of those - Screaming Lord Sutch - founder of the Monster Raving Loony Party. Unfortunately, demised. I recall they won a seat on a local council somewhere and he turned out to be surprisingly good.

Somehow, I suspect this guy wouldn&#39;t have got past the MRLP mirth detector. Although unusual, he appears profoundly unfunny.

[J'Pol]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:tYX4yEVhBZ0C:www.clarence.com/contents/societa/speciali/000721teschi/images/002b.jpg

http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/av.jpg

Seperated at birth ?

[J'Pol]

To be fair this is your post where you defend Mr Larouche, by quoting from a website in his control. Everyone should really read this one as well to take a balanced view.



Who Is Lying About Lyndon LaRouche?
March 14, 2002


Mar 14, 2002 - There&#39;s a new operation afoot targetting U.S. Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Agents are being deployed to slander LaRouche and harass you from collaborating with him. You&#39;ve seen and heard them. They say things like LaRouche is a leader of a cult, or that he is anti-semitic, or some other vile epithet. Invariably, those repeating these lies, when challenged, can never back up what they say.
Don&#39;t be fooled by these rumors and lies. Get the facts and learn the truth about the people spreading them.

These slanders all originate from a gestapo-style, thought police, operating under the banner of organizations such as the American Family Foundation (AFF) or the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). These organizations were created and financed by the highest levels of the Anglo-American financial oligarchy, through Foundations such as, the H. Smith Richardson Foundation, the Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundation, and the Bodman and Achelis Foundation, which is run by John Irwin III, the grandson of super spook IBM founder Thomas "Pop" Watson. Through these Foundations, their associated law firms, and their operational arms like AFF and ADL, the families of the financial oligarchy exert control over politics in the U.S., through the top-down management of "approved" popular beliefs, and religions, just as the oligarchy of the Roman Empire, administered political control through the approved pantheon of pagan gods.

These very same Foundations which run the slander mill against LaRouche are behind what is, in fact, the most dangerous cult in the world today. A cult of utopian military lunatics, typified by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel Huntington, Henry Kissinger, or the current Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. These lunatics are the real masterminds behind the attacks of September 11. Watching their power crumble under the weight of the collapsing financial system, their aim is to drive the world into a racist global religious war, that Huntington calls a "Clash of Civilization". They are the ones who engineered the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, then concocted the Osama bin Laden hoax, sending the U.S. military off to fight the "Clash of Civilization", and diverting attention from their own culpability in an ongoing coup against the interests of the United States. This powerful and crazed utopian cult is the greatest real security threat to our nation.

They hate LaRouche and they attack him with slanders from people like Dennis King, a pro-drug plagiarist whose book attacking LaRouche was financed by the H. Smith Richardson Foundation, one of the major backers of Brzezinski and Huntington&#39;s drive for war. Or, they spread lies through the AFF, a so-called deprogramming cult made up professional kidnappers and mind control specialists, like Robert J. Lifton, Margaret Singer, and the late L. Jolyon West, all of whom were veterans of the CIA&#39;s notorious brainwashing program known as MK-ULTRA. Or, they rely on the ADL, an organization linked to organized crime, that has been caught illegally spying on American citizens, and is one of the chief apologists for the Nazi atrocities of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the utopian lunatics in the Israeli Defense Forces.

What has happened to the minds of your fellow citizens, that they have become blinded to a threat to their nation from such a powerful utopian cult? How have they become so mentally malleable, that they allowed the once productive agro-industrial U.S. economy to collapse, while running like a herd of lemmings, full tilt into such hoaxes as the now discredited "New Economy"?

From the 1940&#39;s launching of the "anti-authoritarian" doctrine by Nazi-lover Hannah Arendt, against the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln, through the gestapo-style terror of Trumanism and McCarthyism, to the 1960&#39;s launching of the rock-drug-sex counterculture, Americans have fled mentally away from being willing to face reality, and into the fantasy world of increasingly strange varieties of popular "religious" belief, that vary from fundamentalist religious movements, to New Age spiritualist cults, to the cult of "free trade", or the increasingly depraved types of mass entertainment and sports, that have become so popular. The varieties of lunacy are many, but they all have one thing in common -- they are popular because they are approved by the financial oligarchy. It is the management of these popular beliefs, for which the oligarchy created a thought police such as the AFF and the ADL.

That&#39;s who is spreading lies about LaRouche. You hear them repeated, often by people who don&#39;t know their source, but who would rather be overheard repeating these lies, because they think it will make them popular.

Don&#39;t believe the lies about LaRouche. Get the facts at, www.larouchein2004.co

[J'Pol]

His Youth Movement Web Site (http://www.wlym.com/)

Here are a few images to be found there.

http://www.wlym.com/images/Marty%27s%20Images/lynwebcast.jpg

http://www.wlym.com/images/Marty%27s%20Images/franco24.jpg

http://www.wlym.com/index_files/arnold.jpg

http://www.wlym.com/index_files/ldrs-body-hitler-mussolini.jpg


For those who don&#39;t recognise the second image down, it looks a lot like General Franco to me.

[ilw]

Seems like you&#39;ve taken a liking to this fellow JPaul, or is there a tinge of revenge in the air and a smell of blood in the water. :rolleyes:

[J'Pol]

The more I look the more depressed I get, this man is in a position of power, he is an obvious nut job.

From The New Federalist - A Larouche thing. (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/brainw.htm)

Here is an extract :


Here are the simple facts of the Sept. 11, the essential facts. According to Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon LaRouche, whose assessment is shared by many competent specialists on terrorism in this country and around the world, what took place was not a terrorist attack, but strategic, covert special-operation organized to have the appearance of a ``terrorist&#39;&#39; attack. Mr. LaRouche and others concur that both its scope, and the extent of the cover-up and misdirection, that such operation could not have been organized by any Arab terrorist networks or terrorist cells, or by an Arab or Middle Eastern state, or any combination of the above; it had to be organized from within the United States, with the participation and connivance of a rogue network within the Anglo-American intelligence and establishment.


This seems to tie in with his other theory that the US is actually controlled by the British Monarchy.

I can only take it that these are the types extreme views that Billy_Deans stated he had in an earlier post, but declined to express them.

I have to re-assess the situation. I may have to offer the chap an apology for some of the things I have said to him, I will think about that.

It is perhaps something he does not have the necessary level of control over. Either that or he is trying to manipulate people towards either supporting this cult or worse still joining it. I will have to get back to you on this.

For now, please remember that this convicted felon and cult leader (with seriously suspect political views) is a presidential candidate.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by ilw@28 September 2003 - 23:07
Seems like you&#39;ve taken a liking to this fellow JPaul, or is there a tinge of revenge in the air and a smell of blood in the water. :rolleyes:
See above mate.

My interest was piqued so I did a wee bit of research. I become more concerned as we speak. If this person has the sort of wealth and backing that would make him a pre-candidate (even with no chance) then we must be worried. It falls to all us to learn what we can.

It only takes for good men to do nothing and that sort of thing.

[bigboab]

Originally posted by JPaul@28 September 2003 - 22:12


For now, please remember that this convicted felon and cult leader (with seriously suspect political views) is a presidential candidate.
[QUOTE]


Just change one of the consonants in there JP and you have the present President of the USA.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by bigboab+28 September 2003 - 23:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 28 September 2003 - 23:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@28 September 2003 - 22:12


For now, please remember that this convicted felon and cult leader (with seriously suspect political views) is a presidential candidate.




Just change one of the consonants in there JP and you have the present President of the USA. [/b]
I&#39;ll take an N Bob ?

[bigboab]

YUP :P or change felon to melon seeing it is still Sunday. :P

[Biggles]

JPaul

That is Franco in a slightly understated pose.

I particularly like the picture of Mussolini saying "Oooh, look an aeroplane".

I must confess I have never heard of this LaRouche guy - but if this is a representative selection of the company he keeps (identifies with) one to avoid I think.

In a democracy you will always get oddballs. His recruitment techniques sound very Scientology.

I watched some kind of News programme a while back with a chap called Pat Robertson. I assumed it was a spoof and thought it was pretty funny - was a bit surprised when it dawned on me he was for real. I had heard the name before in connection with US politics but didn&#39;t connect with the programme format. He has a few scary ideas I can tell you. I think he was pretty much a fringe candidate too - bit like IDS (whooo whooo :blink: ).

[ilw]

Originally posted by JPaul@28 September 2003 - 23:17
It only takes for good men to do nothing and that sort of thing.
^_^

[hobbes]

Originally posted by JPaul@28 September 2003 - 23:17


It only takes for good men to do nothing and that sort of thing.
You know that was Billy Dean&#39;s old signature, or am I being slow?

[ilw]

Originally posted by hobbes+28 September 2003 - 23:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 28 September 2003 - 23:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@28 September 2003 - 23:17


It only takes for good men to do nothing and that sort of thing.
You know that was Billy Dean&#39;s old signature, or am I being slow? [/b][/quote]
:lol:

[J'Pol]

Tonight was the first time I had heard of the chap, indeed I only looked him up because we were pointed toward this Executive Intelligence Review as a source of information.

I just did a few simple checks, trying to establish the cut of his jib and see what we were dealing with. The result came as a great surprise to me. The fact that someone would suggest his publication as a source of information on which to formulate opinions beggers belief. Then I thought, maybe not.

[Biggles]

JPaul

LOL

Sad but true

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/w00tbrows.gif

[J'Pol]

You dont think


Ah, Hobbesy, I see you&#39;ve followed my lead and used a real photo of yourself as your avatar. I&#39;m a bit worried about the "Left Wing" French attire tho&#39;&#33;


http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/av.jpg

Nah surely not, we&#39;re not worthy.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by JPaul@28 September 2003 - 15:55
Oh an j2k2 I would not assume that this nutter is a candidate of no consequence read some of the stuff. He may never be US president, that does not prevent him having a cult following and brainwashing people to believe his nonsense. Or to train others from spreading the word and recruiting on his behalf.
JPawl-

I meant only insofar as LaRouche has had no electoral impact.

Any idiot with a conspiracy theory can gather enough nutters to make a blip on the scope.

As you pointed out, he&#39;s gathered a few from this forum, has he not?

***Billy and EBP***

As you believe I "linked" the two of you maliciously, I do hereby offer my sincere apologies to you both; I am, however, baffled at your pique-I would have thought my supposition, though ultimately proved wrong, would have pleased you, as you have demonstrated, without fail or exception, the congruency of your beliefs and rhetorical styles.

I do wish the two of you would resort, on occasion, to more customary methods of debate, i.e. logic and reason, but I realize we don&#39;t always get what we want in life, and the privileged few, like yourselves, who would seem to have early on earned advanced degrees from the "All-Star Wrestling School of Debate", will continue to occupy a higher moral plane than we, the great unwashed.

And I was so sure....

Apologies also to any mods who might (in error) take the preceding as a gratuitous denigration of my esteemed colleagues; while I was away, I had my cynicism and sarcasm removed. ;)

[Billy_Dean]

Welcome back j2, we missed you. Well, maybe missed wasn&#39;t the right word, but we noticed you were gone.

As for the ***Billy and EBP*** thingy, no pique from me j2, I stated before, I thought you were being a smartarse. Nothing wrong with that.

@ JPaul. You really are amusing, your posts are showing a side of you that people should take note of.

I do not subscribe to EIR, I never said I did, you misread, and misquoted me.

You then "assume" my political views are the same as LaRouche, whilst holding extreme catholic &#092; fascist views of your own.

Then you come up with this ..

The fact that someone would suggest his publication as a source of information on which to formulate opinions beggers belief
.. ignoring the fact that I advised the person to Google for more info. The EIR report was obviously one side of an argument, something you wouldn&#39;t know about, none of your arguments contain two sides, as your dummy spit over your religion showed.

This is becoming personal for you, you didn&#39;t like me rubbishing your religious views, so you decided to "get your own back". Unfortunately, for you, it&#39;s backfiring on you.



:)

[ilw]

Billy you&#39;ve quoted EIR as a source of information before, you clearly thought it was a worthy publication and it seemed implicit that you subscribed. So what sites do you subscribe to? Why did you defend Lyndon Larouche (even pointing us to his f*cking ridiculous website)? Why did you take such umbrage and lash out blindly at catholicism after JPaul pointed out that Larouche was a complete moron? Why didn&#39;t you deny the subscription earlier? I don&#39;t know if theres a forum rule about cults trying to recruit members, but there should be.

:)

[Billy_Dean]

ilw, what are you doing up this early?

To say everthing written at EIR is rubbish is totally untrue. One of the reports on his site, I was party to, and they got it spot on, you don&#39;t do that unless you have insider knowledge. They named my boss, his company, and several other facts. I&#39;ve also seen a lot of the info there verified elsewhere. And it is not all written by LaRouche.

I subscribe to a couple of sites that you can&#39;t belong to, as I said, I can&#39;t post links.

I pointed to LaRouche&#39;s website after JP started cutting and pasting various opinions of the man, I was just showing that for every negative site, there was a positive one. It does not mean I endorse the man or his politics.

As for lashing out blindly at the catholic church, I cut and pasted selective references to the catholic church&#39;s close association with facism, exactly as JP was doing. Did you pull him up for it?


I don&#39;t know if theres a forum rule about cults trying to recruit members, but there should be.
Was this aimed at me? You should mind what you say&#33;


:)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 September 2003 - 09:37
Welcome back j2, we missed you. Well, maybe missed wasn&#39;t the right word, but we noticed you were gone.

As for the ***Billy and EBP*** thingy, no pique from me j2, I stated before, I thought you were being a smartarse. Nothing wrong with that.

@ JPaul. You really are amusing, your posts are showing a side of you that people should take note of.

I do not subscribe to EIR, I never said I did, you misread, and misquoted me.

You then "assume" my political views are the same as LaRouche, whilst holding extreme catholic &#092; fascist views of your own.

Then you come up with this ..

The fact that someone would suggest his publication as a source of information on which to formulate opinions beggers belief
.. ignoring the fact that I advised the person to Google for more info. The EIR report was obviously one side of an argument, something you wouldn&#39;t know about, none of your arguments contain two sides, as your dummy spit over your religion showed.

This is becoming personal for you, you didn&#39;t like me rubbishing your religious views, so you decided to "get your own back". Unfortunately, for you, it&#39;s backfiring on you.



:)
This is just nonsense and once again an attempt to divert. I am supposed to start arguing about whether my views are fascist or not, no need. If anyone wishes to find me promulgating this then they are free to do so. Please look anywhere I have posted about my Faith. Indeed Billy_Deans asked us to do it and I replied.

You are now lying as can be seen by comparing your posts. You clearly pointed people to this EIR drivel as a source of information. You have also defended it and it&#39;s owner. You have also stated that you hold extreme views, as previously stated others can read the posts and decide.

I leave it up to people to compare what you have said and what I have said and to form their own opinion. I would also urge others to keep a large pinch of salt with them when reading your "anecdotes". I realise that your "character" may be an interesting and glamourous one, with a hint of mystery. However that does not mean that you really are that person.

Oh and there is no side to me being shown here that hasn&#39;t been seen before. Once again others will be able to confirm this. There is no need for you to invite them to take note.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 September 2003 - 10:07


I pointed to LaRouche&#39;s website after JP started cutting and pasting various opinions of the man, I was just showing that for every negative site, there was a positive one. It does not mean I endorse the man or his politics.


That&#39;s just a lie and a provable one.

As I posted earlier I had never even heard of EIR, never mind Larouche, until you recommended it. I then did a few checks myself. I posted some material on him, as a direct result of your post.

See my earlier post in this thread.

[ilw]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 September 2003 - 10:07
To say everthing written at EIR is rubbish is totally untrue.
I subscribe to a couple of sites that you can&#39;t belong to, as I said, I can&#39;t post links.

I would say that every article is a mixture of fact, fiction and propoganda, enough facts that you believe they know what they are talking about and then bias inducing rubbish and twisted information for the rest of it.
Please stop alluding to secret information, give us names even if you can&#39;t link, I&#39;ve had it with the I know something that you don&#39;t know secret crap, if its a UK government site then say so and i&#39;ll get a mate to look it up on the government intranet, if its not just tell us an address or a name

Edit: JP I think he meant Larouche&#39;s main election page as opposed to his publication page

[Billy_Dean]

I think you&#39;ve finally blown it JP, you&#39;re a liar and a bullshitter, you deliberately misquote and mislead. You&#39;ve got a bee in your bonnet over your inability to justify your extreme catholic views. Well fire away, you&#39;re doing a better job of ridiculing yourself than I can ever do.

@ ilw. Why don&#39;t YOU drop it, you have asked me on several occasions about myself. I&#39;m telling you nothing. Not who I am, where I&#39;ve been or what I&#39;ve done. And I&#39;m certainly not pointing you to web sites. If you want to research, do so, your generalisations are getting tedious.


:)

[ilw]

Billy you&#39;re a liar a bigot and an idiot. Please stfu

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 September 2003 - 11:32
I think you&#39;ve finally blown it JP, you&#39;re a liar and a bullshitter, you deliberately misquote and mislead. You&#39;ve got a bee in your bonnet over your inability to justify your extreme catholic views. Well fire away, you&#39;re doing a better job of ridiculing yourself than I can ever do.

@ ilw. Why don&#39;t YOU drop it, you have asked me on several occasions about myself. I&#39;m telling you nothing. Not who I am, where I&#39;ve been or what I&#39;ve done. And I&#39;m certainly not pointing you to web sites. If you want to research, do so, your generalisations are getting tedious.


:)
More pathetic by the post. Your deflection becoming more obvious.

Others can read and decide for themselves. You go on about these "extreme" catholic views, which you claim I have posted, what are they. In response to a request which you made I posted what I believe. None of it extreme.

The facts speak for themselves. I truly invite, indeed urge others to read what has been said and make their own judgment.

As for this "character" you have adopted, it&#39;s just laughable. Though it is traditional for people to create (or steal) a history in order to make themselves more plausible.

EDIT

Nice new avatar btw Billy did

http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/av.jpg

become troublesome.

[ilw]

Edit: nevermind, don&#39;t want to go down this path

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 September 2003 - 03:37
You then "assume" my political views are the same as LaRouche, whilst holding extreme catholic &#092; fascist views of your own.


On a serious note, Billy-

This tactic you accuse JPaul of has been used by yourself and EBP on many occasions in an attempt to batter others.

It now seems you find it as tiresome as the rest of us.

As most of us who disagree with you have suffered the ignominy of being accused of having views/prejudices we do not hold (by yourself and EBP) we know whereof we speak, and if polled, would, I&#39;m sure, agree.

EBP took affront when I accused him of wishing the Israeli nation be "wiped out"; I quoted his leading phrase-he then chose to argue semantics.

It can, regretfully, be an effective tactic-though it can never justified in an honest debate or disagreement.

Foregoing such tactics has the effect, though, of removing a "seasoning" from the process that some can&#39;t do without.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by j2k4@29 September 2003 - 22:49
On a serious note, Billy-

This tactic you accuse JPaul of has been used by yourself and EBP on many occasions in an attempt to batter others.

It now seems you find it as tiresome as the rest of us.

As most of us who disagree with you have suffered the ignominy of being accused of having views/prejudices we do [b]not hold (by yourself and EBP) we know whereof we speak, and if polled, would, I&#39;m sure, agree.

EBP took affront when I accused him of wishing the Israeli nation be "wiped out"; I quoted his leading phrase-he then chose to argue semantics.

It can, regretfully, be an effective tactic-though it can never justified in an honest debate or disagreement.

Foregoing such tactics has the effect, though, of removing a "seasoning" from the process that some can&#39;t do without.
I&#39;ve learned a lot on this forum j2, not least from you. You first showed me how to avoid answering questions by, firstly, correcting grammar or spelling mistakes, then a gradual descent into personal ridicule of your adversary. If I&#39;m the master, I bow to the feet of my guru. I&#39;ve yet to try your dummy spit tactic, where you do a complete backflip, followed by a "so what&#33;", but I&#39;ll keep it in mind.



:)

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@29 September 2003 - 05:32
I think you&#39;ve finally blown it JP, you&#39;re a liar and a bullshitter, you deliberately misquote and mislead.&nbsp; You&#39;ve got a bee in your bonnet over your inability to justify your extreme catholic views.&nbsp; Well fire away, you&#39;re doing a better job of ridiculing yourself than I can ever do.

:)
All right then.

We are to overlook the fact of Billy&#39;s having called JPaul a "liar and a bullshitter" and accusing him of holding "extreme catholic views".

Nothing misleading, insulting or over-the-top there.

These are what is known to Billy as "TACTICS OF DEBATE", and as such are for his exclusive use.

Others using these tactics are guilty of using "insult" and engaging in "personal attacks", not to mention (probably) patent infringement into the bargain.

I don&#39;t believe I tought you this, Billy.

[J'Pol]

I await an example of these extreme catholic views I am said to have.

Unless of course it is just deflection, to make us talk about something other than his previous, here and in other threads but I think I said that already.

[Rat Faced]

This has turned into nothing but a personal flaming thread.

If Billy_Dean ever does give a page from the UK GSI, i&#39;ll look the bloody thing up....but i doubt he ever will.....


This thread, for obvious reasons is now closed.

I&#39;ll re-open it at the request of any of the "combatents"....and move it to the lounge at the same time.