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adamp2p
10-04-2003, 06:38 AM
Here are the results... (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1319773844)

Edit: please post yours...

3rd gen noob
10-04-2003, 03:45 PM
mine is pretty low compared to yours... :'(

you do have a better cpu, gpu, and ram though :rolleyes:

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1329671476

adamp2p
10-04-2003, 05:26 PM
I should have mentioned that my card was overclocked too.

The 9500 card that I have has very minimal artifacting at that clock rate. I am pretty sure that one, at most, of the four pixel pipelines that I enabled (thanks to the integrated 9700 drivers mod that is included in the Omega set) is faulty, because the artifacting is so minimal. I noticed that overclocking above 285 MHz on memory and 320 on the core produces much more artifacting.

Also I forgot to mention that I set the refresh rate to 75 Hz while benchmarking.

I also highly recommend Omega's catalyst set. Or at least the freeware app called r-tool that is included, which allows you to easily (without restart) to adjust the settings of your card.

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1319649910

Above is a link to a non overclocked score of my card. You can see that there is quite an increased score due to the O'C.

Anyways, 3rd gen noon, thanks for posting your scores. Hopefully some others will post theirs. I am particularly interested in Wolfmight's (thy master warrior) score, as he purchased the 9500 Pro card and paid 60 dollars more than I did; so I am curious to see if my non pro mod was a good move or not.

See you around bud.

Your friend :) B)

Edit: and also I am curious to see the score of all other Radeon and Nvidia cards, to see how they stack up. :unsure:

Edit: also, is your card the 9600 or 9600 pro

3rd gen noob
10-04-2003, 05:32 PM
i'm gonna get a friend of mine to do the test as well...he's just got an athlon 2800 (overclocked to 2.25GHz, 400MHz fsb), 128MB Radeon 9800 pro, 120 gig s-ata drive, 1GB ram etc...it's be interesting to see his score

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 04:37 AM
I got an Athlon Xp 1800 (1.5ghz), but my card is a Radeon 9500 Pro 8 pixel pipeline. 8x agp, 256mb ddr ram.
I need to upgrade my cpu, cause i recently upgraded my mobo to a very new Gigabyte model supporting up to the highest Amd althon cpu.

adamp2p
10-12-2003, 05:56 AM
wolfmight, here is my overclocked score (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1458168219)

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by adamp2p@11 October 2003 - 23:56
wolfmight, here is my overclocked score (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1458168219)
wow major different in score.
What did u overclock? how much?
hmm looks like u upped the CoreClock from 277mhz to 360mhz. No smoke? Damn that really improved your score by like 7000 points.
Do u leave your computer on constantly? Card still workin ok?
I actually have a Radeon 9500 Pro.. might burn up if i try? heh uses more power than the 9500.

adamp2p
10-12-2003, 06:47 AM
Hey wolfmight, its good to see you around, dude.

Nope, there was definatlely no smoke anywhere, actually it was very stable.
I was suprised when I learned how much the various settings in Rage3dTweak advanced tweaker mode can alter performance and image quality, especially when overclocking.
One thing is for sure, the Omega driver set is much more overclocker friendly (no artifacting at all at 360 MHz core and 279 memory).

I experimented with all of the different clocks, and found that the core can handle much more than the memory. The core of your card--9500 pro--can definately handle a core of 330 MHz with no problem at all. That is one thing I am totally sure of. I am pretty sure that your memory is the same, yours might actually be better. I am also totally sure that your memory can handle the memory speeed of 279 with no problem. Before I tried overclocking the 9500 I read about it at Rage3d forums and other various forums, and that is what they advised me was for sure "safe."

I was playing midnight club 2 at 1024X768 for at least one hour with no problems at all. No artifacting either. I was stunned. Before installing the newest Omega catalyst driver set, 3.8 (my personal favorite because of the integrated soft-mod to pro and excellent handling).

I am really curious as to what your scores would be at those clocks I mentioned.

The heatsink that came with my Sappiretech 9500 non pro keeps very cool, and if you have cooling problems already with your system, then I do not suggest going beyond the formentioned speeds (you like that word, eh?) without a little caution.

I personally am sure I could take the clock beyond #60 on the core, but hey, I am actually more than satisfied with the performance of my card at this point.

So please bring the clock up on yours, dude, bench it up, and post your score!

Oh, edit, I forgot to mention that after a good hour or two of overclocking I restore the default clock. And I always turn my computer off at night. I figure I ought to give it a break.

I wish I had more time to play around tonight, but I am doing some crazy ass math...

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 07:06 AM
Score without overclocking (havnt started yet)
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1492313201
Yea, it's lower than yours cause of my cpu speed. (actually i was ripped off cause i thought i purchased a athlon xp 2400 (2.0ghz).. bastard retailers on www.pricewatch.com links)
Your GFX is slightly higher because your CPU is twice as fast and there's no software thats 100% accurate.. so of course it's gonna slip like that.
I have a feeling the score will go over 30,000 after an overclock of.. 345mhz core.. or so?
btw i dont use the omega drivers... do they increase the performance?

i just thought.. lol when i overclock.. my gfx score will be "higher" than my cpu score... that'll be nutts lol.

adamp2p
10-12-2003, 07:14 AM
Yes, the Omega drivers help performance, but only if you plan on overclocking.
Oh, wait, and do you have Rage3d tweak, if not, it is the best overclocker there is for ATI and a great tweaker mode.

Read this article if you got a minute (http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/radeon/index.shtml)

and definately run driver cleaner before installing new drivers!!! (http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/)

Another factor in your score may be your system memory. Going to bed now. Tommorrow I have so much calculus!

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 02:48 PM
hey, overclocking requires more power supply i just remembered.
My computer is allmost borderline at useing the whole 350w cause when i try to run it with the:
Extra hd.. it dont start
more ATI Wonder VE card.. it dont start

lack of power, i'm sure. Those both work fine (HD never even used before)
I might try to buy a 500w ps unit today. What's a good brand? I heard Allied was good, but couldnt find one of that brand in stores. hmm while i'm at it, i might get a better comp maint. kit.

adamp2p
10-12-2003, 03:09 PM
400 should be plenty for the psu. PC Power and Cooling is the way I went. Excellent!

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 03:12 PM
well i'm might need a 500w cause i wanna run 2 graphics cards basicly. ATI Wonder VE counts as a TV input graphics card.. so it's still a power sucker hehe. (maybe it's a major cause it's got that big Cable Converter device on the card)

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 06:03 PM
jus ordered an Allied AMD Approved 450W Power supply from newegg for $40. the 500w ones were like startin to get a little pricey and i had to get a few other things keeping the total under $100.

adamp2p
10-12-2003, 06:10 PM
is that thing loud though?

Wolfmight
10-12-2003, 06:29 PM
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?...n=allied%2C450w (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description=allied%2C450w)
5 stars (highest) from 56 voters, 51 reviews: alot of people said is quieter than they're lower 300-350w ps units.. Probably pretty quiet :D
Reviews (http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?item=17-154-010)

Wolfmight
10-17-2003, 03:48 AM
just got the new 450w sucka in the mail today. I'll let yall know how it goes.. and from the results in my overclock poll.. i'm gonna slowly up the mhz 4-5mhz at a time starting at 330mhz clock.

adamp2p
10-17-2003, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Wolfmight@17 October 2003 - 04:48
just got the new 450w sucka in the mail today. I'll let yall know how it goes.. and from the results in my overclock poll.. i'm gonna slowly up the mhz 4-5mhz at a time starting at 330mhz clock.
Wolfmight, I think you are being overly cautious there. Why don't you benefit from the work of others and save yourself some time?

Step right up to 280MHz on your memory and 300MHz on the core.


After completing the initial group of benchmarks at the 9500's default clockspeeds of 275MHz core and 270MHz memory, I tried overclocking the card using the Rage3D Tweak utility (available for download HERE). The card came with 3.3ns Infineon memory modules, which should theoretically run at 300MHz or better. However, as reported by many card owners with this same memory, it's overclockability was disappointing. Settings of 300MHz or more would generate "pixel pop" artifacts and occasional polygon errors, so I was limited to 290MHz on the memory to insure good image stability. The core was more cooperative, running as high as 345MHz before screen lockups began to occur. For safety sake, I backed off to 330MHz for the benchmarking, but that still represents a pretty healthy clock boost for the core speed (20%). Overall, not quite up to 9700 Pro clockspeeds (325/310), but close! As before, I ran sets of benchmarks with FSAA and AF off and at 4x/8x.

One of my sources (http://duhvoodooman.com/9500mod/9500mod_4.htm)

Edit: I did not read your post entirely. I think you should start at 280 and 300 and move up from there once you see the stability.

adamp2p
10-17-2003, 08:22 PM
Okay, here (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1607883806)is some evidence. Here I scored what a 97/9800 pro scores with my 9500 non pro mod:



This overclock generated a few artifacts, but I think any card would when overclocked that much. The point is that the card could handle those frequencies just fine.

Oh, and did you ever notice that your aquamark3 score is equal to your average frame per second throughout the aquamark 3 game multiplied by 1000?

And if you see here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1904&p=4) you can see my my scores are right in line with the Radeon 9700 pro (and lol, I only paid $140 :lol: :D )


Despite what some people would like everyone to think, Aquamark3 is really a test of how people developing software now envision DirectX 9 pixel and vertex shaders will be used in the future. The situation is very reminiscent of the first Sony PlayStation: the first games that used the technology were limited by the hardware until developers really learned to work with the hardware rather than on the hardware. As time progressed, we went from what were essentially ports of 16bit console games to amazingly complex and beautiful games like Gran Turismo 2. The same thing will happen with shader technology, and no amount of guessing and throwing functions at a GPU will tell you how its performance will really be in the future. Essentially, my advice is that any piece of software that claims it is a valid predictor of future performance should be taken lightly. We based our decision to include Aquamark3 on its popularity in the community. Aquamark3 is a cool piece of software, with some pretty neat tests, and a high score in any benchmark can still earn bragging rights in the forums. The only Aquamark3 test we ran was the publicly available 1024x768 4X AF no-AA in order to maximize the usefulness of these numbers to the community. Our drivers were set to allow application control of AF and AA.

adamp2p
10-27-2003, 01:55 AM
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1806849545

here is my 9800 pro overclocked score...almost 43,000 = average 43 fps

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 09:19 AM
bump :)

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1915594201

Score: appx. 47,000

here is one from a minute ago (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=811323606)

james_bond_rulez
01-14-2004, 09:50 AM
u stats whores :lol:

wait until i upgrade my cpu to amd 2800+ xp next week

oh and that oc stuff is really lame why dont u compare ur stuff unoc'ed

fk ur inflated numbers

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1213976911

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@14 January 2004 - 10:50
u stats whores :lol:

wait until i upgrade my cpu to amd 2800+ xp next week

oh and that oc stuff is really lame why dont u compare ur stuff unoc'ed

fk ur inflated numbers

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1213976911
I will tommorrow.

james_bond_rulez
01-14-2004, 08:59 PM
how the hell do i view my ati 9800xt stuff???

how do u do all oc? ati doesn't seem to support oc

do i need 3rd party apps to do it??

i can't see the temp, fan speed, clock and stuff where do i view these things?

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@14 January 2004 - 21:59
how the hell do i view my ati 9800xt stuff???

how do u do all oc? ati doesn't seem to support oc

do i need 3rd party apps to do it??

i can't see the temp, fan speed, clock and stuff where do i view these things?
James Bond:

First download rage3d tweak (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=391). It is freeware and has a built in overclocker.

I also advise you download Omega drivers (http://www.omegacorner.com/index_ati.html), as they allow you to overclock your gpu without needing to modify the BIOS.

Make sure to read the read me file in the Omega drivers (ie make sure to uninstall the Control panel before installing the Omega drivers). etc.

Make sure that you overclock safely. I would not move the memory up by more than 10 MHz.

As far as the core, I am sure it can do at least 450 MHz.

here is a link to my non overclocked score (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1549214741)

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@14 January 2004 - 21:59

i can't see the temp, fan speed, clock and stuff where do i view these things?
I don't know anything about that stuff.

james_bond_rulez
01-14-2004, 10:17 PM
uh huh i heard the core clock can go as high as 500Mhz... tom's hardware reviews on xt....

well currently my gpu has a faster mem clock than my system fsb... kinda sad if u think about it amd 2200 xp only runs at 266 yet 9800xt runs at 412/365 LOL

when i install my my new amd 2800 xp (333 fsb) i think i'll have better performance :lol:

EDIT: oh i am not planning to oc, i looked in my gpu 's driver cd and tried to look for some utility that will let me monitor my card such as temp, fan speed and stuff, apparently they dont have it for 9800xt....i dunno about 9800 pro though... do u have it?

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@14 January 2004 - 23:17
uh huh i heard the core clock can go as high as 500Mhz... tom's hardware reviews on xt....

well currently my gpu has a faster mem clock than my system fsb... kinda sad if u think about it amd 2200 xp only runs at 266 yet 9800xt runs at 412/365 LOL

when i install my my new amd 2800 xp (333 fsb) i think i'll have better performance :lol:

EDIT: oh i am not planning to oc, i looked in my gpu 's driver cd and tried to look for some utility that will let me monitor my card such as temp, fan speed and stuff, apparently they dont have it for 9800xt....i dunno about 9800 pro though... do u have it?
No, and I do not need it. Firstly, I have the artic cooling VGA silencer on my GPU, as well as 8 VGA copper ramsinks. The sweet spot for my VPU is at 450 core and 371 memory.

I am sure that you can at least do that, as the XT has an excellent cooling solution, although it runs hot. You may want to place an extra fan on it, though.

:)

james_bond_rulez
01-14-2004, 10:32 PM
how the hell do u put a fan on a gpu :blink: ???

i've never heard of that :lol:

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@14 January 2004 - 23:32
how the hell do u put a fan on a gpu :blink: ???

i've never heard of that :lol:
What I am telling you to do is to put a fan inside your case, pointed at your GPU.

_John_Lennon_
01-14-2004, 10:43 PM
I think I just got over like 20k on my AquaMark score.

Go figure.

Adam, is your 9500np the one with the 3.3Ms Lshaped Ram configuation?

james_bond_rulez
01-14-2004, 10:43 PM
ohhh hahhaha :lol:

ok i thought u had to mod ur card to put another fan in it.

way beyond me lol

adamp2p
01-14-2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@14 January 2004 - 23:43
I think I just got over like 20k on my AquaMark score.

Go figure.

Adam, is your 9500np the one with the 3.3Ms Lshaped Ram configuation?
No, amazingly, no. It was just supposed to mod into a 9500 pro (8 pixel pipelines 128 bit bus).

Check out the clocks on that card though. That card overclocked amazingly well.

Can you show us your comparison link, John?

_John_Lennon_
01-14-2004, 10:53 PM
The server was down when I was trying to send my info again, I will just bench it again in a bit.

james_bond_rulez
01-14-2004, 10:54 PM
well given ur oc'ed system specs u should do a lot better than 20k

_John_Lennon_
01-14-2004, 11:53 PM
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=73145219

Tell me if that works.

Its about 27k.

Anyone have any ideas on raising it?

Rage 3d Tweak, pretty much bugged out my system, and made me reinstall drivers. Partly because of me using its overclocking. GO figure.

adamp2p
01-15-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@15 January 2004 - 00:53
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=73145219

Tell me if that works.

Its about 27k.

Anyone have any ideas on raising it?

Rage 3d Tweak, pretty much bugged out my system, and made me reinstall drivers. Partly because of me using its overclocking. GO figure.
John Lennon, I don't know why you aren 't using the Omega drivers. They will allow you to overclock without running into bugs.

They are the regular drivers with just some other registry entries.

Uninstall Rage3dtweak, uninstall ATi control panel, install Omega drivers, reinstall Rage3dtweak, overclock.

Oh, yes your Aquamark3 link works, and I can see a problem already. You need to set your AGP Aperture to 128 MB so it equals the amount of video ram your card has. Right now its set to 64 MB<128 MB.

james_bond_rulez
01-15-2004, 01:49 AM
yo adam i installed the omega drivers and it seems to be working well (it even oc&#39;ed my gpu by 5Mhz)

but i can&#39;t install the rage3d tweak, it just says my gpu is not supported? :blink: any ideas?

also i oc&#39;ed my cpu to see if i can do a little bit better but my score sucked&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

what happened??

Before oc: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1213976911

After oc: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1281107456

adamp2p
01-15-2004, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@15 January 2004 - 02:49
yo adam i installed the omega drivers and it seems to be working well (it even oc&#39;ed my gpu by 5Mhz)

but i can&#39;t install the rage3d tweak, it just says my gpu is not supported?&nbsp; :blink:&nbsp; any ideas?

also i oc&#39;ed my cpu to see if i can do a little bit better but my score sucked&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

what happened??

Before oc: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1213976911

After oc: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1281107456
Well then, download Radclocker (http://download.guru3d.com/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=609).

Did you make sure to UNISTALL the ATI control panel BEFORE installing the Omega drivers? That might just be your problem.


REMINDERS:
1- If you have the normal ATI drivers, uninstall the ATI Control Panel BEFORE
&nbsp; upgrading to these drivers, the drivers already have the CP integrated
&nbsp; and another CP may cause conflicts or other problems.

james_bond_rulez
01-15-2004, 01:57 AM
yes i did uninstall the ati cp before i installed the omega thing

i do read readmes ya know? <_<

adamp2p
01-15-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@15 January 2004 - 02:57
yes i did uninstall the ati cp before i installed the omega thing

i do read readmes ya know? <_<
Okay, then, make sure that in the control panel before you run Aquamark3 that BOTH the direct3d tabs and the Open GL tabs have "application controlled" AA and AF. Just make sure to tick all of the boxes (4 all together) before running the benchmark.

And BTW, that happens all the time anyways (getting different scores at different times). For one, do you have the indexing service enabled? What about system restore? Those can fire up any old time and radically decrease performance.

After you install radclocker carefully overclock the core to 450 and the memory up like 10 MHz. Then gradually increase until you see white spots on your screen. At that point, you have overclocked too much.

:)

And run the benchmark at least twice or three times to check for consistency.

Oh, and 5 MHz is not going to make or break a benchmark. You have to find the "sweet spot" for your card.

james_bond_rulez
01-15-2004, 02:08 AM
the only thing that&#39;s changed on my system is the driver settings, nothing else is changed.

i had the same system settings when i ran my first test with ati&#39;s settings and unoc&#39;ed cpu but my score dropped a lot when i used omega&#39;s settings....

guess i am going back to the old driver settings :lol:

it&#39;s ok i dont wanna push my card until there is new cards coming out and the price drops :lol:

then i&#39;ll oc like a biatch :lol:

EDIT: oh yeah i ran one more, thnis time with cpu unoc&#39;ed and with omega http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1952196471 oh well

thx for ur advice though :lol:

2nd EDIT: after reverting back to ati setting my score is instantly better

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=6040291

beats me... :huh:

3rd Edit: oc&#39;ed cpu with ati setting http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1482435559

:)

adamp2p
01-15-2004, 02:58 AM
Oh well. It was worth a try.

By the way: what are you doing with a &#036;500 GPU and a &#036;50 CPU?

Huh :rolleyes: ?

james_bond_rulez
01-15-2004, 03:16 AM
eerr didn&#39;t i say i am gonna upgrade to 2800 xp next week??? B)

adamp2p
01-15-2004, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@15 January 2004 - 04:16
eerr didn&#39;t i say i am gonna upgrade to 2800 xp next week??? B)
Yes, I saw that. But why don&#39;t you save yourself some money and gain some performance by just buying an excellent motherboard (like bigdawgfoxx, clocker, and, and John_Lennon) and overclock a 2500+(1.83) CPU to 3200+ (2.2). I see no logic in paying such a high price for the 2800+. I don&#39;t really think that is a great CPU. I honestly think you won&#39;t see a big enough of a performance increase to warrant the upgrade. It is your decision though. ;)

_John_Lennon_
01-15-2004, 04:41 AM
Indeed, Xp 2500+, is like a god sent. Its up there with the 500Mhz Celeron in terms of overclocking, hehe, well almost. The new applebreds I believe (the new durons) are set to about 1.6Ghz, and can do 2.6 On extreme cooling&#33;

Btw. download Omega drivers, and ran the test stock again, and got,

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1817982305

30k

If I closed a few things, im sure i could pull another 1k with still stock setts.

adamp2p
01-15-2004, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@15 January 2004 - 05:41
Indeed, Xp 2500+, is like a god sent.&nbsp; Its up there with the 500Mhz Celeron in terms of overclocking, hehe, well almost.&nbsp; The new applebreds I believe (the new durons) are set to about 1.6Ghz, and can do 2.6 On extreme cooling&#33;

Btw. download Omega drivers, and ran the test stock again, and got,

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1817982305

30k

If I closed a few things, im sure i could pull another 1k with still stock setts.
Very impressive.

The Aquamark3 benchmark is very limited by the CPUs speed. Also it is more affected by the core as opposed to the memory clock.

I am sure 100% you could get a score of 37,000 (37 avg. frames per second) if you were to overclock to 360/286. Why don&#39;t you try that? Just once, for fun?

james_bond_rulez
01-15-2004, 05:26 AM
yeah i could get a 2500 but i got greedy

friend at the hardware store asked my if i wanted the 2500 or the 2800 so i took the....... <_<

but then he gave me liek 90 percent off so i didn&#39;t mind so much :lol:

<_< <_< <_< <_< <_<

i like my current board, gigabyte ga7vax 266/333

and why is the 2500 any better than the 2800?? just cuz it can oc like crazy? can&#39;t the 2800 do the same?

eerr john i thought u have the 2500 but ur test says u got the 3200? :blink: ???

_John_Lennon_
01-16-2004, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@15 January 2004 - 00:26
yeah i could get a 2500 but i got greedy

friend at the hardware store asked my if i wanted the 2500 or the 2800 so i took the....... <_<

but then he gave me liek 90 percent off so i didn&#39;t mind so much :lol:

<_< <_< <_< <_< <_<

i like my current board, gigabyte ga7vax 266/333

and why is the 2500 any better than the 2800?? just cuz it can oc like crazy? can&#39;t the 2800 do the same?

eerr john i thought u have the 2500 but ur test says u got the 3200? :blink: ???
My bios is updated to the point that it is detected as a 3200+ on startup with my clock settings.

And I will fiddle with some more overclocking tonight I guess.

james_bond_rulez
01-16-2004, 12:22 AM
how is it even possible john? ur 2500 runs at default 11 * 166 = 1826

but if cracked ur fsb to 200? how the fuck is that possible? my system hangs if i go over 147 and that&#39;s only 10 percent of my cpu fsb

why didn&#39;t u change the multiplier to 12 or 12.5 and lower ur fsb a bit? ur cpu cooling is enough to cool a 3000 xp even a 3200 xp.

setting ur fsb to a crazy number like 200 really stress ur system

EDIT: what board do u use? does it support 400ddr?

btw: what is ur Vcore? 2.1v? :blink:

crazy oc bastards :lol:

_John_Lennon_
01-16-2004, 12:36 AM
Hehe, couple things, One, I have a Barton, and if you look at some of the 300+&#39;s and 3200+s, they are set to a 400FSB, so the bartons really do have the head room. I just set it to the 200FSB, which is only capable if you have atleast 3200 Ram, (or really, REALLY high end 2700 or 3000 ram I guess.)

As for the Multiplier, I run it at 2300 All the time, but as of late I have been having problems running Folding@Home with it, and it even tells you when it crashes a Work Unit that overclocking is a possible cause.

Also, my Vcore, is stock. 1.65V I believe is it. Besdies, my Board is the Ultra 400 version, and it can easily go up to a 250FSB, if I gave it a bit more voltage, and some better Ram.

james_bond_rulez
01-16-2004, 12:50 AM
holy shit my pc just crashed with my oc&#39;ed 2200 at 1.984Ghz

damn it :lol:

damn u with that board :lol: shove it :lol:

i got g7vax with 1GB 2700 ram

oh well <_<

_John_Lennon_
01-16-2004, 01:39 AM
I have found out the hard way in this Computer building that you get what you pay for. (Thinks of his 16MB PCI card, his 7500 Radeon, his 2.2Celeron, and Locked P4 Board.)

Oh and btw guys, was overclocking a bit, here is my latest benchmark.

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1146922663

35&#39;433 I believe.

:D

kaiweiler
01-16-2004, 01:40 AM
35493&#33; :D Even better&#33;

_John_Lennon_
01-16-2004, 01:54 AM
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=878487675

My new one, I was raising the memory a bit more

36`612.

Im going to overclock the memory a bit more, but I can overclock the Core anymore because im at the end of the slider. :lol: Anyone know how to get a longer slider, like you could do with the coolbits program for Nvidia cards buy using that Simpsons tweak?

adamp2p
01-16-2004, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@16 January 2004 - 02:54
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=878487675

My new one, I was raising the memory a bit more

36`612.

Im going to overclock the memory a bit more, but I can overclock the Core anymore because im at the end of the slider. :lol: Anyone know how to get a longer slider, like you could do with the coolbits program for Nvidia cards buy using that Simpsons tweak?
Oh yes I do. Download and install riva tuner (http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/) if you haven&#39;t already. Did you try the radclocker yet?

I know its a Nvidia util but you still can overclock the Radeon with it very well.

:)

adamp2p
01-16-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@16 January 2004 - 02:54
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=878487675

My new one, I was raising the memory a bit more

36`612.

Im going to overclock the memory a bit more, but I can overclock the Core anymore because im at the end of the slider. :lol: Anyone know how to get a longer slider, like you could do with the coolbits program for Nvidia cards buy using that Simpsons tweak?
Oh, and I wanted to show you that 38,000 is what Anandtech is getting with his 9700 Pro

linky (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1890&p=5)


Aquamark3 is a cool piece of software, with some pretty neat tests, and a high score in any benchmark can still earn bragging rights in the forums. The only Aquamark3 test we ran was the publicly available 1024x768 4xAF noAA in order to maximize the usefulness of these numbers to the community. Our drivers were set to allow application control of AF and AA.

_John_Lennon_
01-16-2004, 03:10 AM
Well thats good. I started getting some de pixelization, so I backed off both sets a few, going to download some more stuff soon.

adamp2p
01-16-2004, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@16 January 2004 - 04:10
Well thats good. I started getting some de pixelization, so I backed off both sets a few, going to download some more stuff soon.
From what I know you are supposed to max out the memory before you turn up the core.

But you got a huge performance enhancement by overclocking your card. From 27,000 to 37,000 is a big difference, the range of 30%.

BILLY-THE-FISH
01-17-2004, 03:38 PM
Hi,
After reading some of your scores I thought I&#39;d give Aquamark3 a try
only to be dissappointed to score 18,490 on average over 3 tests&#33;&#33; :( :(

This is my computer,

P4 2.53,
Windows Xp,
Asus P4S533-E motherboard,
512Ram DDR,
Maxtor 80 Gb HD,
Winfast TI-4600 128mb Graphics card.
Using Omega 45.23 Drivers

No overclocking at all.

Do you thinks this score is reasonable for my set up?
Or do you think my graphics card is a bit dated now because of Direct x9 etc.?

What, if any simple tweaks can I give my set-up for a bit of a boost?

Cheers&#33;

_John_Lennon_
01-18-2004, 12:48 AM
I think you might be at a disadvantage because of Aqua being DX9, and your Ti4600 is DX 8 perhaps?

Not sure though, if you have active cooling on your card, overclock it some with coolbits utility in your settings, see what it yields.

BILLY-THE-FISH
01-18-2004, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@17 January 2004 - 23:48
I think you might be at a disadvantage because of Aqua being DX9, and your Ti4600 is DX 8 perhaps?


Yeah Thats exactly what I thought because I score a reasonable (well I think so)score on 3Dmark2001 of just over 12,000
And that test don&#39;t rely on directx9 etc.&#33;

adamp2p
01-18-2004, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@18 January 2004 - 01:48
I think you might be at a disadvantage because of Aqua being DX9, and your Ti4600 is DX 8 perhaps?

Not sure though, if you have active cooling on your card, overclock it some with coolbits utility in your settings, see what it yields.
Aquamark3 is DX8 and DX9.

edit: and DX7 too.