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vegasguy
10-07-2003, 10:05 PM
Hi,

Anyone is CA? Who ya vote, or if ya not old enough, or don't live there, who would you voted for?

I would of voted for Larry Flynt,

Biggles
10-07-2003, 11:14 PM
One of the Angry Beavers. Norb I think.

Rat Faced
10-07-2003, 11:47 PM
CA?

This is the worldwideweb, we arent all in the USA........... do i guess at California?

Lamsey
10-07-2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@7 October 2003 - 23:47
CA?

This is the worldwideweb, we arent all in the USA........... do i guess at California?
You guess right.


I hear the Gropinator actually has a not-bad chance.




This scares the shit out of me.

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 01:03 AM
Arnold don suan

Arnold don suan

Arnold don suan :lol:

MagicNakor
10-08-2003, 01:57 AM
:rolleyes: It's just ridiculous.

:ninja:

ScotchGuy
10-08-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Lamsey+7 October 2003 - 15:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 7 October 2003 - 15:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@7 October 2003 - 23:47
CA?

This is the worldwideweb, we arent all in the USA........... do i guess at California?
You guess right.


I hear the Gropinator actually has a not-bad chance.




This scares the shit out of me. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, in fact he has the best chance and has been in the lead I think the entire time.

vegasguy
10-08-2003, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@7 October 2003 - 23:47
CA?

This is the worldwideweb, we arent all in the USA........... do i guess at California?
Hi,

Isn&#39;t the USA on the Planet Earth? :blink: so, it would count as world news&#33;

ScotchGuy
10-08-2003, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by vegasguy+7 October 2003 - 18:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vegasguy @ 7 October 2003 - 18:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@7 October 2003 - 23:47
CA?

This is the worldwideweb, we arent all in the USA........... do i guess at California?
Hi,

Isn&#39;t the USA on the Planet Earth? :blink: so, it would count as world news&#33; [/b][/quote]
He was referring to your abbreviation, if you don&#39;t live in the U.S. chances are you don&#39;t know what CA stands for.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
10-08-2003, 04:21 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

He won&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol:

kAb
10-08-2003, 04:24 AM
well my state is about to go to the shits, arnold is expected to be governor.

i would have voted no on the recall yes on bustamante.

bustamante seems like the only intelligent runner besides mcclintock.

ScotchGuy
10-08-2003, 04:33 AM
I would have voted for McClintock, apparently he was the only one who said something intelligent or worth while at the last debate.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
10-08-2003, 04:50 AM
:D I Love this Country. :D

kAb
10-08-2003, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@7 October 2003 - 20:50
:D I Love this Country. :D
thats cause u dont live in ca <_<
/me grumbles about arnold in the lead

vegasguy
10-08-2003, 05:36 AM
Arnold, Arnold&#33;

http://www.pumpingironvideo.com/bodybuilding6.jpg

abu_has_the_power
10-08-2003, 05:39 AM
dude, arny won&#33;&#33;

toddiscool
10-08-2003, 05:43 AM
haha, i just love this. I mean arnie is a nice guy, and who knows he may do ok. I mean you dont have to worry about him taking bribes or anything. But one thing that I question is does he have any sort of education? I do not know if he does or not, but does he? Highschool, college, university (same things in the states i guess, but whatever.)

vegasguy
10-08-2003, 06:58 AM
Hi,

Go Arnold&#33;, Hell, I feeling the effects of his election and I live in the state next to him.

But he deserves it, why not spice things up and have him in there? Like Jesse Ventura did for Minnesota. Arnold has done a crap load of community services and programs for children in CA and across the nation.

Also, wasn&#39;t it classic to have Jay Leno introduced him for his winning speech, and when Arnold anounce that he would run was on the Jay Leno Show&#33;

P.S. For the peeps who don&#39;t like him, just think, he cannot become President of the United States.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/10/08/top.arnold.speech.jpg

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 05:43
haha, i just love this. I mean arnie is a nice guy, and who knows he may do ok. I mean you dont have to worry about him taking bribes or anything. But one thing that I question is does he have any sort of education? I do not know if he does or not, but does he? Highschool, college, university (same things in the states i guess, but whatever.)
wtf does education has to do with anything?

He has ambitions, and not like a lame dick like grey davis.

He is experienced with financial matters, although not administrative matters but i am sure he will learn quickly.

i am sure grey davis is well educated, but look what California has become under his government? a shit hole.

A well educated person doesn&#39;t mean anything nowadays, except for technical degrees, like doctors, accountants and lawyers.

a doc degree in forestry? dont mean shit to me.

Riddler
10-08-2003, 07:04 AM
B) Yah....liddle gurly-man, ve gonna PUMP YOU UP &#33;&#33; ...........


http://www.piczonline.com/client/riddler/arnold.jpg


Hey, if it&#39;s good enough for Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood, Jessie Ventura and Ronnie Reagan.....why the hell not ? :)

toddiscool
10-08-2003, 07:20 AM
I work tech support for and internet company right now (I am still a student). I need a high school diploma for that. You are telling me that there should not be any standard of education for major politcal office?

Again I do not know if he does have any type of formal education, but I would like to know.

Illuminati
10-08-2003, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 08:20
I work tech support for and internet company right now (I am still a student). I need a high school diploma for that. You are telling me that there should not be any standard of education for major politcal office?

Again I do not know if he does have any type of formal education, but I would like to know.
AFAIK, there&#39;s never been any education background requirement to run in most elections :huh:

Hell, how else could Audrey Roberts have been a Member of Parliament? :lol: [/Corrie gag]

It&#39;s mainly because the educational background puts candidates in a better light with the national elitist societies that have more than enough power why you often see Harvard/Oxbridge graduates running <_<

Life&#39;s a bitch, huh? Well politics is its aunt.

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 07:20
I work tech support for and internet company right now (I am still a student). I need a high school diploma for that. You are telling me that there should not be any standard of education for major politcal office?

Again I do not know if he does have any type of formal education, but I would like to know.
and what does that accomplish? bush has a MBA but he&#39;s an idiot when it comes to politics.

James Carter was a scientist but he became the president of united states not because of his science abilities but his ability to lead american ppl.

same goes for Ronald Reagan.

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Illuminati+8 October 2003 - 08:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Illuminati @ 8 October 2003 - 08:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 08:20
I work tech support for and internet company right now (I am still a student). I need a high school diploma for that. You are telling me that there should not be any standard of education for major politcal office?

Again I do not know if he does have any type of formal education, but I would like to know.
AFAIK, there&#39;s never been any education background requirement to run in most elections :huh:

Hell, how else could Audrey Roberts have been a Member of Parliament? :lol: [/Corrie gag]

It&#39;s mainly because the educational background puts candidates in a better light with the national elitist societies that have more than enough power why you often see Harvard/Oxbridge graduates running <_<

Life&#39;s a bitch, huh? Well politics is its aunt. [/b][/quote]
Harvard/Oxford graduates aren&#39;t smart, they are rich ;)

toddiscool
10-08-2003, 09:36 AM
I am not big on education either. However i do feel that if there is some safe guard on what nationality can be president that there should be an educational one aswell. I mean it is said that if Oprah was to run for president that she would win. Can you imagine that. Love her or hate her, she is not the type of person that should run be in office and never would if it was not for her celebrity and platform from which to speak. I just think that there should be some kind of standard put in place, minimum system requirements if you will. If my job requires some sort, and for the amount of legal, and other things that I have to go through to be a realtor than there should be some kind of politics course or something, or some kind of ladder that must be climbed.

But what do i know, I am a complete idiot.

ilw
10-08-2003, 02:03 PM
I&#39;ve said it before and i&#39;ll say it again, democracy sucks. On the plus side all the people who get degrees from Berkeley (and other californian universities?) get the dubious pleasure of a certificate signed by the terminator.

j2k4
10-08-2003, 02:13 PM
I&#39;m certainly not a big Arnold fan, but there IS this:

While California could benefit from a re-assessment of it&#39;s social/legal structure, I will leave that aside to note that, in Schwarzenegger, we have perhaps the best opportunity we will ever have to see the teachings of the economist Milton Friedman tested as Arnold attempts to deal with his budget problems.

If Arnold can wring a few ounces of cooperation out of California&#39;s Democrat-led assembly, we may be witnesses to an object lesson of the first order. ;)

Stay tuned-

Benno
10-08-2003, 04:30 PM
He studied business administration at the University of Wisconsin, where he made his degree in 1980.

Google is such a fine place. :P

Ariel_001
10-08-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by ScotchGuy+8 October 2003 - 02:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ScotchGuy &#064; 8 October 2003 - 02:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by vegasguy@7 October 2003 - 18:39
<!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@7 October 2003 - 23:47
CA?

This is the worldwideweb, we arent all in the USA........... do i guess at California?
Hi,

Isn&#39;t the USA on the Planet Earth? :blink: so, it would count as world news&#33;
He was referring to your abbreviation, if you don&#39;t live in the U.S. chances are you don&#39;t know what CA stands for. [/b][/quote]
I think CA (http://www.bcpl.net/~jspath/isocodes.html) stands for CA (http://www.bcpl.net/~jspath/isocodes.html)nada

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 09:36
But what do i know, I am a complete idiot.
ok, if you say so.. <_<

Biggles
10-08-2003, 07:08 PM
Hey I see Norb won. Or was it the other Angry Beaver - I always get them mixed up.

Well the easy bit is over - now tackling a massive deficit whilst keeping his promise to improve services should be interesting to watch.

In a sense it will be difficult to tell if he is a good leader of men or not. Even a minor improvement might be a Herculean achievement and it won&#39;t actually look like much so people will say he is a disaster.

On the other hand he might just enjoy the raw energy of elections and become utterly bored with administration after 3 months. :blink:

Time will tell - if you ask her nicely :)

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 07:20 PM
Time always wins

*always*

toddiscool
10-08-2003, 08:13 PM
He studied business administration at the University of Wisconsin, where he made his degree in 1980.

That is good to know.

Rat Faced
10-08-2003, 08:35 PM
James Carter was a scientist but he became the president of united states not because of his science abilities but his ability to lead american ppl.

same goes for Ronald Reagan.

That senile old fart was a Scientist? I thought he was a B Movie wannabe actor... ;)




Quize time...

The last time an Austrian became a powerful politician of a "Superpower" was?.....

:-"



/me wanders off to reflect that the Republicans are as anti-Socialist as the other ones party was.......

















Erm......I am joking here btw...

Just pissed that he wont have time to make more movies :(

james_bond_rulez
10-08-2003, 09:53 PM
i meant reagan was an actor but that had nothing to do with his being president

Benno
10-08-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@8 October 2003 - 21:35
Quize time...

The last time an Austrian became a powerful politician of a "Superpower" was?.....


You wanna say that all austrians are evil? :o

:angry: Thats enough RF im gonna apply for your degradation. :swear:























:P

Just pissed that he wont have time to make more movies
oh yeah and I have to agree on this one :P :D

vegasguy
10-09-2003, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 07:20
I work tech support for and internet company right now (I am still a student). I need a high school diploma for that. You are telling me that there should not be any standard of education for major politcal office?

Again I do not know if he does have any type of formal education, but I would like to know.
Look at President Bush, hell half the time he doesn&#39;t know what the hell hes talking about.

Need I say I more?

james_bond_rulez
10-09-2003, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by vegasguy+9 October 2003 - 03:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vegasguy @ 9 October 2003 - 03:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-toddiscool@8 October 2003 - 07:20
I work tech support for and internet company right now (I am still a student). I need a high school diploma for that. You are telling me that there should not be any standard of education for major politcal office?

Again I do not know if he does have any type of formal education, but I would like to know.
Look at President Bush, hell half the time he doesn&#39;t know what the hell hes talking about.

Need I say I more? [/b][/quote]
if bush has a chance at being president i think there is hope for everybody

just look at arnie :lol:

j2k4
10-09-2003, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@8 October 2003 - 03:44
[
James Carter was a scientist but he became the president of united states not because of his science abilities but his ability to lead american ppl.


"James Carter" was a scientist?


GUFFAW&#33; (Did I spell that right?)

No, he was a f**king peanut farmer from Georgia who somehow became governor of that great state before lucking himself into the presidency and screwing up the whole damn universe.

Then he starts pounding nails for "Habitat for Humanity", makes inane remarks about American foreign policy, and actively campaigns for the Nobel Peace Prize, which he wins.

Oh, and he loves Fidel Castro.

Jimmy Carter is, was, and always will be a First-Class ASSHOLE.

james_bond_rulez
10-09-2003, 06:20 AM
sorry my bad

i meant Thomas Wilson, who studied English and History and Literature


looks like i fucked up :D

james_bond_rulez
10-09-2003, 06:37 AM
a little about Bush...

II EARLY LIFE

Bush was born on July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Connecticut, the first child of George Herbert Walker Bush and Barbara Pierce Bush. His grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a Wall Street financier who was elected to the Senate of the United States from Connecticut in 1952. Although George Herbert Walker Bush began his career in the oil industry, he eventually served as a congressman, head of the Republican National Committee, ambassador to the United Nations, director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and vice president and president of the United States.

At the age of two, Bush moved with his parents from Connecticut to Odessa, Texas, where his father embarked on a career in the petroleum business. After a year in Texas, the family relocated to California for business reasons. A year later, the family moved back to Texas and settled in Midland, a town in western Texas located about 500 km (300 mi) from Fort Worth. Bush lived in Midland from 1950 to 1959. In 1953 his younger sister Robin, the next oldest child in the family, died from leukemia. After her death, Bush grew especially close to his mother. He had four other siblings: brothers Jeb, Neil, and Marvin, and a sister, Dorothy. In 1959, again for business reasons, the family moved to Houston, Texas. In 1961 Bush left Texas and went to Andover, Massachusetts, to attend Phillips Academy, a boarding school that his father had also attended.

At Phillips, Bush played basketball, baseball, and football. He was best known for being head cheerleader and commissioner of an intramural stickball league. In 1964 he enrolled at Yale University in Connecticut; his father and grandfather had also attended Yale. That same year, Bush campaigned for his father in his unsuccessful bid to win a U.S. Senate seat from Texas.

At Yale, Bush was considered an average student, but he was popular with his classmates. He was head of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity and a member of the exclusive Skull and Bones, a secret society that his father and grandfather had also joined. During Bush’s time at Yale, college students all over the country began to hold protests about a variety of issues, including protests against U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War (1959-1975). Bush was uncomfortable with the growth of the student protest movement, and he generally refrained from participating in campus politics. In 1968 he campaigned on behalf of his father, who was running for reelection for a seat in the House of Representatives that he had won in 1966.

Bush graduated from Yale with a bachelor’s degree in history in 1968. Upon completing college, he became eligible for the military draft. To meet his service obligation, Bush enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard in 1968. He told the admitting officer that he wanted to become a pilot like his father, who was a highly decorated Navy flier in World War II (1939-1945). He did his basic training at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, and entered a pilot-training program at Moody Air Force Base in Valdosta, Georgia. He received favorable reports from his superiors, attained the rank of second lieutenant, and was certified to fly the F-102 jet fighter during training missions in the South and along the Gulf Coast. Bush remained in the Air National Guard until 1973.

During the early 1970s, Bush worked on U.S. Senate campaigns for Republican candidates in Florida and Alabama. He also worked for a Houston-based firm that specialized in large-scale agricultural operations. In addition, Bush was involved in a mentoring program for children in inner-city Houston. During this time, he flirted with the idea of running for state representative in Texas but decided against it. In 1973 he was admitted to Harvard Business School in Massachusetts.

III EARLY CAREER

Bush Discusses the Texas Rangers In 1989 George W. Bush purchased a small share of the Texas Rangers, a professional baseball team. He became one of the managing general partners of the team and served as its public spokesperson. The position increased Bush’s exposure in Texas.AP/Wide World Photos

After earning his M.B.A. from Harvard in 1975, Bush returned to Midland. Like his father, he first entered the oil industry as a “landman,” someone who helps organize oil-drilling ventures by bringing together geologists, property owners, and investors. In this position, Bush searched property records, studied geological reports, and negotiated deals.

In 1977 Bush announced that he was running for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. Shortly after he declared his candidacy, he met Laura Welch, a Midland native who worked as a librarian and an elementary-school teacher. In November 1977, three months after they met, the couple wed. Bush became the Republican congressional candidate after a tough primary race, but he lost the general election in 1978. His Democratic opponent attacked Bush as an outsider and a newcomer who did not understand the needs of voters in Texas. Bush captured the financial and political support of the oil industry, but his opponent won the support of rural and agricultural voters.

After his loss, Bush resumed his career in the oil industry, starting a series of small, independent oil-exploration companies, including Arbusto Energy Inc. (Arbusto is the Spanish word for “bush.”) In 1980 he again campaigned on behalf of his father, who had been chosen as the vice-presidential running mate of Ronald Reagan. (Reagan won the election, and Bush’s father went on to serve two terms as vice president.) In 1981 Bush and his wife became the parents of twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara, who were named for their grandmothers. Although he was raised as an Episcopalian, Bush began worshiping as a Methodist, the denomination of his wife.

Bush’s oil companies never enjoyed great success. He changed the name of Arbusto Energy to Bush Exploration and spent time in New York attracting investors. In 1984, however, his company merged with a larger company, Spectrum 7. Bush became chairman of Spectrum 7, but the company was hurt by falling oil prices. In 1986 it was folded into Harken Energy Corporation, another Texas petroleum company. Bush served as a consultant and a member of Harken’s board of directors.

In 1987 Bush relocated his family to Washington, D.C., to assist his father in his bid to become president. He worked as a campaign adviser at his father’s national campaign headquarters, serving as a liaison to the media and to conservative and Christian leaders. He was a trusted confidant of his father and mother, who sometimes dispatched Bush to measure the loyalty of certain campaign aides and members of the vice president’s staff. He also campaigned across the country, sometimes appearing as a surrogate for his father. After his father won the election, Bush served as an adviser to the president-elect. He helped oversee a group that decided which individuals might be offered posts in the Bush administration.

After the election, Bush moved to Dallas, Texas, and purchased a small interest in the Texas Rangers baseball team in 1989. He became one of the managing general partners of the baseball team and agreed to serve as the public spokesperson for the ownership group. Bush’s affiliation with the team raised his profile in Texas. In 1990 he explored, but then abandoned, the idea of a bid for the Texas governor’s office. During his time with the Rangers, he oversaw the building of a new baseball stadium in Arlington, Texas. Bush, a lifelong baseball fan, was extremely happy during his tenure with the team.

During the early 1990s, Bush repeatedly traveled to Washington, D.C., to confer with his father—the president—and to offer his advice. They discussed various members of the elder Bush’s White House staff. During his father’s time in the White House, Bush was the subject of a Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) inquiry. The SEC investigated whether Bush had engaged in insider trading when he sold Harken Energy stock shortly before Harken announced financial losses. The investigation ended with no proof of wrongdoing. In the 1992 presidential race, Bush again campaigned on behalf of his father; the elder Bush lost the election to Democrat Bill Clinton. After his father’s defeat, Bush turned his attention to his own political ambitions in Texas and began a regular series of meetings with advisers in Dallas to plan a run for the office of governor.

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Biggles
10-09-2003, 07:26 PM
J2K4

I don&#39;t know a lot about US politics but I am guessing you didn&#39;t vote for Jimmy Carter. :rolleyes:

Billy_Dean
10-09-2003, 08:00 PM
Well, I liked Carter, in my opinion, he was the second best post-war president after Clinton.

* Carter worked hard to combat the continuing economic woes of inflation and unemployment. By the end of his administration, he could claim an increase of nearly eight million jobs and a decrease in the budget deficit, measured in percentage of the gross national product. Unfortunately, inflation and interest rates were at near record highs, and efforts to reduce them caused a short recession.

Carter could point to a number of achievements in domestic affairs. He dealt with the energy shortage by establishing a national energy policy and by decontrolling domestic petroleum prices to stimulate production. He prompted Government efficiency through civil service reform and proceeded with deregulation of the trucking and airline industries. He sought to improve the environment. His expansion of the national park system included protection of 103 million acres of Alaskan lands. To increase human and social services, he created the Department of Education, bolstered the Social Security system, and appointed record numbers of women, blacks, and Hispanics to Government jobs.

In foreign affairs, Carter set his own style. His championing of human rights was coldly received by the Soviet Union and some other nations. In the Middle East, through the Camp David agreement of 1978, he helped bring amity between Egypt and Israel. He succeeded in obtaining ratification of the Panama Canal treaties. Building upon the work of predecessors, he established full diplomatic relations with the People&#39;s Republic of China and completed negotiation of the SALT II nuclear limitation treaty with the Soviet Union.


Source: My Hero Jimmy. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jc39.html)


:)

vegasguy
10-09-2003, 09:38 PM
Hi,

I don&#39;t have an opinion on Carter, because I don&#39;t remember shit about him nor his works he did in office,

Nice article on Bush, James Bond, I learned more about him, but he still doesn&#39;t know what the hell hes talking about.

Rat Faced
10-09-2003, 11:03 PM
He also won the hearts of Geordies when he visited the town of Washington, Tyne and Wear and gave a speech in Newcastle starting with the words..

"Howay the Lads....."

The rest of the speech was drowned out by the crowd, so no one knows what he was trying to tell us ;)

j2k4
10-09-2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Biggles@9 October 2003 - 14:26
J2K4

I don&#39;t know a lot about US politics but I am guessing you didn&#39;t vote for Jimmy Carter. :rolleyes:
A very good guess, Biggles&#33; :D

You will, of course, understand if I award you no points for deductive ability? ;)

j2k4
10-09-2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@9 October 2003 - 15:00
Well, I liked Carter, in my opinion, he was the second best post-war president after Clinton.

* Carter worked hard to combat the continuing economic woes of inflation and unemployment. By the end of his administration, he could claim an increase of nearly eight million jobs and a decrease in the budget deficit, measured in percentage of the gross national product. Unfortunately, inflation and interest rates were at near record highs, and efforts to reduce them caused a short recession.

Carter could point to a number of achievements in domestic affairs. He dealt with the energy shortage by establishing a national energy policy and by decontrolling domestic petroleum prices to stimulate production. He prompted Government efficiency through civil service reform and proceeded with deregulation of the trucking and airline industries. He sought to improve the environment. His expansion of the national park system included protection of 103 million acres of Alaskan lands. To increase human and social services, he created the Department of Education, bolstered the Social Security system, and appointed record numbers of women, blacks, and Hispanics to Government jobs.

In foreign affairs, Carter set his own style. His championing of human rights was coldly received by the Soviet Union and some other nations. In the Middle East, through the Camp David agreement of 1978, he helped bring amity between Egypt and Israel. He succeeded in obtaining ratification of the Panama Canal treaties. Building upon the work of predecessors, he established full diplomatic relations with the People&#39;s Republic of China and completed negotiation of the SALT II nuclear limitation treaty with the Soviet Union.


Source:&nbsp; My Hero Jimmy. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jc39.html)


:)
Billy-

The term Misery Index was coined to define life during the unmitigated and resounding disaster that was the Carter presidency.

He was unspeakably inept.

Please don&#39;t mention him again, ever.


Clinton was merely a self-serving snob/hillbilly/pseudo-Rhodes-scholar with deviant sexual appetites.

I&#39;d be more than willing to bat him around.

Biggles
10-10-2003, 12:02 AM
:(

And I thought, like Poirot, I had used my little grey cells.


I recall that Carter was a pleasant soul - the sort of person one would happily have as a neighbour. I have no view on his ability as a politician. On balance I don&#39;t think Bush would be a nice neighbour and Clinton I would be ok with and could certainly enjoy a beer or two with, but would watch like a hawk with regards my daughter.

However, the neighbour test says little about their ability to govern. I am not sure to the extent that any of them do govern actually. I think a lot of it boils down to the quality and ability of their team to work together rather than against each other.

I saw a remarkable News coverage following the Ca poll. They asked voters who had voted for Arnie to name one policy he had articulated during the campaign and none could. This is the new generation x non-politics.

Poor old IDS has spent the last few days trying to hammer home new and "exciting" policies and at the end of the day they might actually be irrelevant.

clocker
10-10-2003, 12:05 AM
Biggles, you should know ( just by way of backround) that J2 has detested every American President since Rutherford B. Hayes.
Sadly, he is a man born out of his era.

Biggles
10-10-2003, 12:08 AM
:)

Nostalgia ain&#39;t what it used to be.

clocker
10-10-2003, 12:13 AM
So true, so true.


Sigh

j2k4
10-10-2003, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Biggles@9 October 2003 - 19:02
I recall that Carter was a pleasant soul - the sort of person one would happily have as a neighbour.
By all accounts (ALL OF THEM) Carter was a small-minded prick to any and all who knew him; I think even his mother was quoted describing him as a "pinched, sour-mouthed boy"; he thought of himself as terribly superior.

He was truly at odds with his public personna.

Clocker-I didn&#39;t like Hayes, either. :angry:

Edit:clarity

HeavyMetalParkingLot
10-10-2003, 01:53 AM
good for arnold, bad for texas, arnold gets to be governor, meanwhile we in texas may have to deal with grey davis being the representive of district 17 soon.........