Vote 2004

[Keikan]

It's time to pick a new president, uhh who are the canidates?

[olibomb]

Arnie will at sometime in his life be the president of America

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by olibomb@10 October 2003 - 02:28
Arnie will at sometime in his life be the president of America
:P If you are not from here you can not run for President.Have to be Born in the United States of America if you want to run it. :P

[olibomb]

Yes but there was rumours going around that Washington are going to change the rules, so then he will be able to run for preisdent, so :P

[j2k4]

Originally posted by olibomb@10 October 2003 - 02:54
Yes but there was rumours going around that Washington are going to change the rules, so then he will be able to run for preisdent, so :P
The rule will not be changed unless Arnold becomes a democrat, and then only if he successfully solves California's budget woes by raising taxes, which is the only Democrat-sanctioned tactic for dealing with such problems.

Not gonna happen. ;)

[Barbarossa]

Originally posted by j2k4@10 October 2003 - 15:05
The rule will not be changed unless Arnold becomes a democrat, and then only if he successfully solves California's budget woes by raising taxes, which is the only Democrat-sanctioned tactic for dealing with such problems.

Not gonna happen. ;)
It's an interesting point though, do you think the rule is a fair one?

e.g. You could maybe have the most capable person imaginable (not Arnie!) wanting to be president, he (or she!) could be a naturalised American citizen, but he/she would be excluded from running based simply on the fact that they did not pop out into the world and land on US soil...

Is it a fair rule?

[El_Jefe]

It's an archaic rule that's basically obsolete, there just hasn't been any reason to have it challanged.

I don't think you'll ever see naturalized citizens allowed to that office. The intent behind this law was to prevent that, after all.

However, many Americans are born Americans, just outside the US. If this situation ever applied to a candidate and that candidate were elected, you'd see the law change. Or at least, I'm pretty sure it would change.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by barbarossa+10 October 2003 - 16:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (barbarossa @ 10 October 2003 - 16:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@10 October 2003 - 15:05
The rule will not be changed unless Arnold becomes a democrat, and then only if he successfully solves California's budget woes by raising taxes, which is the only Democrat-sanctioned tactic for dealing with such problems.

Not gonna happen. ;)
It's an interesting point though, do you think the rule is a fair one?

e.g. You could maybe have the most capable person imaginable (not Arnie!) wanting to be president, he (or she!) could be a naturalised American citizen, but he/she would be excluded from running based simply on the fact that they did not pop out into the world and land on US soil...

Is it a fair rule?[/b][/quote]
It is not fair at all, but it is reality.

Imagine if our current President was born and raised in Iraq, programmed by Saddam to be seamlessly American, but blindly loyal to Iraq (the old "sleeper" spy from the cold war). At 25 he comes to America and works his way into the political arena, by 50 he is a citizen and has become President. Saddam then "activates" his spy, who is now the President of the United States.


On the other hand, let us say that this same person is no spy, but a great leader and the most qualified for the job. He attacks Iraq under the premise of WMD and things start to go poorly. Too many dead Americans, poor planning, BAD INTELLIGENCE, no resolution in site.

Suddenly people start focusing on the fact that he is from Iraq, people start wondering about a hidden agenda. It is one thing for people to mistrust the President in regard to what his true motives are (WMD vs oil), but it is assumed that he is still fighting for his version of a stronger America. If he were an Iraqi born, peoples feelings would run more sinister, and real or not, it would be feared that the President was the pawn of some foreign leader. This type of mistrust of the President could actually end in revolution.

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by hobbes+10 October 2003 - 16:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 10 October 2003 - 16:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by barbarossa@10 October 2003 - 16:24
<!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@10 October 2003 - 15:05
The rule will not be changed unless Arnold becomes a democrat, and then only if he successfully solves California's budget woes by raising taxes, which is the only Democrat-sanctioned tactic for dealing with such problems.

Not gonna happen. ;)
It's an interesting point though, do you think the rule is a fair one?

e.g. You could maybe have the most capable person imaginable (not Arnie!) wanting to be president, he (or she!) could be a naturalised American citizen, but he/she would be excluded from running based simply on the fact that they did not pop out into the world and land on US soil...

Is it a fair rule?
It is not fair at all, but it is reality.

Imagine if our current President was born and raised in Iraq, programmed by Saddam to be seamlessly American, but blindly loyal to Iraq (the old "sleeper" spy from the cold war). At 25 he comes to America and works his way into the political arena, by 50 he is a citizen and has become President. Saddam then "activates" his spy, who is now the President of the United States.


On the other hand, let us say that this same person is no spy, but a great leader and the most qualified for the job. He attacks Iraq under the premise of WMD and things start to go poorly. Too many dead Americans, poor planning, BAD INTELLIGENCE, no resolution in site.

Suddenly people start focusing on the fact that he is from Iraq, people start wondering about a hidden agenda. It is one thing for people to mistrust the President in regard to what his true motives are (WMD vs oil), but it is assumed that he is still fighting for his version of a stronger America. If he were an Iraqi born, peoples feelings would run more sinister, and real or not, it would be feared that the President was the pawn of some foreign leader. This type of mistrust of the President could actually end in revolution. [/b][/quote]
That's it hobbes - No more reading conspiracy theory books after 10pm from now on! :D

They're bad for you - I should know ;)

[hooked]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN+10 October 2003 - 07:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuNkY CaPrIcOrN @ 10 October 2003 - 07:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-olibomb@10 October 2003 - 02:28
Arnie will at sometime in his life be the president of America
:P If you are not from here you can not run for President.Have to be Born in the United States of America if you want to run it. :P [/b][/quote]
doesn&#39;t matter. coz there are plenty other dumb assholes in the us

[billyfridge]

Originally posted by olibomb@10 October 2003 - 07:28
Arnie will at sometime in his life be the president of America
We&#39;ve already got a bloody good actor for our Brit prime minister :P

[Billy_Dean]

[@Hobbes] So Bob Hope could have been programmed by MI6 then?



:)

[j2k4]

It may indeed be archaic, but that does not diminish it&#39;s intent:

Not so much to insure fidelity to the U.S., but to communicate the fervent belief of the necessity of same.

To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum&#39;s* charactor in the movie "Jurassic Park":

Do not become so enamored of the fact that you "could" (change this law) that you do not stop to consider whether or not you "should".


*Apologies to Hobbes, who, I believe, detests Jeff Goldblum.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@10 October 2003 - 11:23
[@Hobbes] So Bob Hope could have been programmed by MI6 then?



:)
Or so the theory goes. :)

[Keikan]

so no one knows the canditates

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by j2k4+10 October 2003 - 15:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 10 October 2003 - 15:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-olibomb@10 October 2003 - 02:54
Yes but there was rumours going around that Washington are going to change the rules, so then he will be able to run for preisdent, so&nbsp; :P
The rule will not be changed unless Arnold becomes a democrat, and then only if he successfully solves California&#39;s budget woes by raising taxes, which is the only Democrat-sanctioned tactic for dealing with such problems.

Not gonna happen. ;) [/b][/quote]
you forgot to mention you have to be a white man to be president too? :lol:

i guess Governor Lock is out of the list :lol:

[dingoBaby]

Originally posted by Keikan@11 October 2003 - 00:31
so no one knows the canditates
Well I believe there are 10 or 12 democrats who have thrown their hats into the ring. A few of the notables:

Wes Clark
Howard Dean
Al Sharpton
Carol Mosley Brown
Dick Gephardt
Joe Lieberman
John Edwards (not the tv psychic the politician from North Carolina)
Bob Graham
John Kerry

(in no particular order)

For the Republicans:

George W and a bunch of others who won&#39;t get the nomination.

[Keikan]

Out of topic, what do you think the usa would have been like if bill clinton was still president?

[nikita69]

Originally posted by Keikan@11 October 2003 - 10:31
so no one knows the canditates
I don&#39;t know&#39;m all. what&#39;s surprising is that NO ONE has rented the site yet&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :unsure: :o :o Also, what&#39;s up with the site at the very bottom? an interview with.....

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