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10-15-2003, 08:40 AM
Turn That PC Into a Supercomputer

A small chip-design firm will unveil a new processor Tuesday it says will transform ordinary desktop PCs and laptops into supercomputers.

At the Microprocessor Forum in San Jose, California, startup ClearSpeed Technologies will detail its CS301, a new high-performance, low-power floating-point processor.

The new chip is a parallel processor capable of performing 25 billion floating-point operations per second, or 25 gigaflops.

According to the company, the chip has the potential to bring supercomputer performance to the desktop.

An ordinary desktop PC outfitted with six PCI cards, each containing four of the chips, would perform at about 600 gigaflops (or more than half a teraflop).

At this level of performance, the PC would qualify as one of the 500 most powerful supercomputers in the world.

"That's a supercomputer on the desktop," said Simon McIntosh-Smith, ClearSpeed's director of architecture.

The souped-up PC would cost about $25,000, ClearSpeed said. By comparison, most of the supercomputers on the Top 500 list are clusters of hundreds of processors and cost millions of dollars.

The most powerful supercomputer in the world, Japan's Earth Simulator, operates at about 35 teraflops, consumes a warehouse-size space and cost $350 million.

Soon to be in prototype, the chip may be on the market within a year, ClearSpeed said. The company, which is based in Los Gatos, California, and Bristol, United Kingdom, said it will be providing prototypes to computer manufacturers by the end of the year.

When it comes to market, the chip will likely be sold to consumers as a co-processor -- an add-on PCI card that works in parallel with a PC's main processor, just like an add-on graphics card. But instead of boosting graphics performance, the chip will help compute intensive math calculations.

Similar capabilities are already built into Apple's G4 and G5 Macs, which have a floating-point co-processor called AltiVec, which handles complex, data-intensive calculations for the main processor. But whereas AltiVec is four-way parallel, ClearSpeed's chip is 64-way, the company said.

"You might class it as a big evolutionary step of AltiVec," said Mike Calise, ClearSpeed's president.

The second generation of the chip will be 128-way parallel, and then 256, and so on, Calise said.

He said server manufacturers are looking at the chip with a view to building petaflop machines -- monster supercomputers capable of a quadrillion floating-point operations a second -- or the equivalent of 25 Earth Simulators.

A petaflop machine based on the second generation of the ClearSpeed chip would take up about 20 server racks, the company said.

Calise said computer manufacturers are very excited about the new chip.

"Right now it's awe, shock and when can I get my hands on it?" Calise said.

ClearSpeed said the new chip is also very low-power, operating at about 2 watts, which would allow it to run off a laptop battery and wouldn't require special cooling.

"At 3 watts, you could put it in a PCMCIA card," said McIntosh-Smith. "With two chips on a PC Card, you can have 50 gigaflops on a laptop, running off a battery. That's equivalent to a small Linux cluster on your notebook."

McIntosh-Smith said that down the line, a PC Card with a pair of second-generation chips would perform at about 200 gigaflops, which is equivalent to a big Linux cluster and would nearly qualify the laptop for today's Top 500 supercomputers list.

Appropriately, the chip will be described at the Microprocessor Forum during a discussion of extreme processors.

Though supercomputer performance on a desktop machine may seem like overkill, Calise said there is ever-growing demand in science, government and industry, especially Hollywood, for more-powerful computers.

"If everything they say is true, they really do kick butt," said Will Strauss, an analyst with Forward Concepts of Tempe, Arizona. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but they do have a very well-thought-out architecture."

Strauss said the PCMCIA card intrigued him. "It's the first time I've seen a reasonable way to get that much power into a laptop," he said. "That it is low-power enough to bring that kind of processing power to a laptop is remarkable."

Strauss warned that writing software for the chip's complex architecture might be a stumbling block, but the company has assured him that its compiler makes it easy to program.

"It's a refreshing new approach to high-powered chips, and they seem to be pretty well ahead with it, too," Strauss said. "I'm pretty impressed. I've seen lots of things like this over the years, but this breaks new ground."

SOURCE (http://www.wired.com/)

james_bond_rulez
10-15-2003, 08:51 AM
awsome shit i can't wait to get my hands on it :lol:

Billy_Dean
10-15-2003, 08:59 AM
25 gigaflops.? Pffft! They'll have that in mobile phones in a few years.


:)

james_bond_rulez
10-15-2003, 09:03 AM
how fast is a gigaflop? is that like 1 GHz? :unsure:

Billy_Dean
10-15-2003, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@15 October 2003 - 18:03
how fast is a gigaflop? is that like 1 GHz? :unsure:
Dictionary.com

Gigaflop. = A measure of computing speed equal to one billion floating-point operations per second.

GigaHertz = A unit of frequency equal to one billion hertz. Also called gigacycle.

I still don't know!


:)

james_bond_rulez
10-15-2003, 09:17 AM
now i am clueless :lol:

ilw
10-15-2003, 11:41 AM
A floating point calculation takes multiple cycles (Hz) so 1 Gigaflop probably means it can do more flops than a 1 GHz cpu, but you can't really compare cpu speed to a chip specially designed to do flops. i dunno how many cycles per flop in a normal cpu (it depends on cpu design and varies depending on what else the cpu is doing, plus i just don't have a clue) .

dwightfry
10-15-2003, 03:57 PM
.....so nobody knows how great of an achievment this is, or how much of a difference it will make?

4play
10-15-2003, 04:22 PM
damn it seems very powerful if only a handful of these chips can compete with some of theworlds most powerful supercomputers. i guess it can just perform lots of calcultions at the same time which makes th cpu very powerful. the only problem is the fsb on your pc will not be able to hadle a shit load of data like this thing will be able to process.

top 500 supercomputers (http://www.top500.org/lists/2003/06/top5.php)

nikita69
10-15-2003, 05:30 PM
ilw, isn't this PixelFusion?

J'Pol
10-15-2003, 07:48 PM
Will it come with minesweeper tho'.

Rat Faced
10-15-2003, 08:59 PM
JPaul,

You, like me, will remember the British Met Office having the most powerful Supercomputer in the world at one point.... which isnt bad, for an organisation whose 1st contact with computers was one that was owned by Lyons (yes, the food company) that they were allowed to use occasionaly.

Now their super-duper "upgraded" Cray only sneaks in at Number 161

:lol:

clocker
10-15-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@15 October 2003 - 12:48
Will it come with minesweeper tho'.
Apparently not, sorry.

A wicked version of Tetris, though.

I can hardly wait for this new technology. Right now it takes me at least a couple of minutes to screw up my PC, soon I shall be able to do it in nanoseconds!
That is what teraflop is referring to, is it not? Or should that be teracrash...?

J'Pol
10-15-2003, 09:18 PM
RF - indeed I like you, there is no need to start your post by saying it. Everyone knows that already.

Clocker - I bought a pair of flip flops when I went to Mallorca on holiday this year. Being a Luddite (and now something of a sophisticate) I threw them into my computer when I returned. It had little effect, back to clogs I suppose

Seriously tho - can it be said that a man with terraflops has his feet firmly on the ground.

j2k4
10-16-2003, 04:44 AM
I must say-

I like hanging around all you techie kibbutzers. :P

It would seem, though, that the terms "teraFLOP" and "gigaFLOP" are just a bit retrograde; we finally got the "FLOP" out of "FLOPPIES" and now we're going to resurrect the term? :huh:

J'Pol
10-16-2003, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by j2k4@16 October 2003 - 05:44
we finally got the "FLOP" out of "FLOPPIES"
Is it your contention that I should now do my backups on pies. Why was I not informed.

dwightfry
10-16-2003, 02:18 PM
Doesn't 'flop' come from 'Floating operation'?

clocker
10-16-2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by dwightfry@16 October 2003 - 07:18
Doesn't 'flop' come from 'Floating operation'?
No.

It comes from cows.

Where have you been?

j2k4
10-16-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by JPaul+16 October 2003 - 03:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul &#064; 16 October 2003 - 03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@16 October 2003 - 05:44
we finally got the "FLOP" out of "FLOPPIES"
Is it your contention that I should now do my backups on pies. Why was I not informed.[/b][/quote]
It&#39;s right in the (as yet unprinted) manual, JPaul.

It says, "Pies for backups are optional, the type of pie very much up to the conscience of the individual user". I prefer mince, though they are hard to come by, and cherry is acceptable as a substitute.

Only cretins use cow.

j2k4
10-16-2003, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by dwightfry@16 October 2003 - 09:18
Doesn&#39;t &#39;flop&#39; come from &#39;Floating operation&#39;?
Renfield (welcome back, BTW), your obvious scholarship on the matter is corking our spam.

Well done&#33;

Evil Gemini
10-16-2003, 03:59 PM
WTF is an Earth Simulator ??

dwightfry
10-20-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by j2k4+16 October 2003 - 09:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 16 October 2003 - 09:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dwightfry@16 October 2003 - 09:18
Doesn&#39;t &#39;flop&#39; come from &#39;Floating operation&#39;?
Renfield (welcome back, BTW), your obvious scholarship on the matter is corking our spam.

Well done&#33; [/b][/quote]
.....I didn&#39;t know I ever left. Hmmm.....


Anyhoo....I was just verifying because I really wasn&#39;t sure, it was just an assumption. Sorry for ruining your spam. <_<

j2k4
10-20-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by dwightfry+20 October 2003 - 09:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dwightfry @ 20 October 2003 - 09:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by j2k4@16 October 2003 - 09:47
<!--QuoteBegin-dwightfry@16 October 2003 - 09:18
Doesn&#39;t &#39;flop&#39; come from &#39;Floating operation&#39;?
Renfield (welcome back, BTW), your obvious scholarship on the matter is corking our spam.

Well done&#33;
.....I didn&#39;t know I ever left. Hmmm.....


Anyhoo....I was just verifying because I really wasn&#39;t sure, it was just an assumption. Sorry for ruining your spam. <_< [/b][/quote]
Maybe....

Just seemed to me that you had been a bit less "evident" of late.

Our spam needed corking, BTW-&#39;idle minds&#39; and all that.

Such checking as I have accomplished reveals the correctness of your FLOP/floating operation conclusion.

:)