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Tasty
10-21-2003, 04:54 PM
taken from yahoo news site:

By Ed Cropley

BANGKOK (Reuters) - An unrepentant Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad repeated Tuesday his belief that Jews rule the world, denied President Bush had rebuked him for it and hit out at Australian leader John Howard.

Mahathir, who steps down at the end of the month after 22 years in power, told the Bangkok Post in an interview that widespread criticism of his recent remark that "Jews rule the world by proxy" proved he was right.

"The reaction of the world shows that they control the world," he told the newspaper.

"Israel is a small country. There are not so many Jews in the world. But they are so arrogant, they defy the whole world. Even if the United Nations says no, they go ahead. Why? Because they have the backing of all these people," Mahathir said.

Bush called the initial comments -- which the outspoken leader of largely Muslim Malaysia said were taken out of context -- "wrong and divisive," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

"It stands squarely against what I believe," he quoted Bush as telling Mahathir during the annual summit of the 21-member Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Bangkok.

But Mahathir said reports Bush had rebuked him were wrong.

"Certainly, he did not rebuke me," Mahathir told a news conference after the two-day summit ended. "All he said was that 'I regret today to have to use strong words against you'," Mahathir said.

"After that we were walking practically hand-in-hand."

The Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center said Mahathir's speech could spur violence against Jews.

"This is incitement against Jews and it provides a rationale and motivation for terror against Jews," Ephraim Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel, told Reuters.

The World Union for Progressive Judaism, an umbrella body grouping liberal and reform Jewish communities around the world, urged acting U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Bertrand Ramcharan to speak out against Mahathir's "racist remarks."

FROSTY POLITENESS AHEAD

Australian Prime Minister John Howard, speaking after the interview was published, promised frosty politeness when he met Mahathir on the final day of the summit.

"I will maintain cordiality and no more with Dr. Mahathir," he said.

Mahathir, who has always had a prickly relationship with his counterparts from Canberra whom he accuses of trying to be the U.S. 'deputy sheriff' in Asia, said Howard was merely performing to type.

"There's a fondness among leaders in Australia, prime ministers of Australia, to make nasty comments like calling me recalcitrant, et cetera," he said.

"John Howard did the same thing, repeatedly, even casting aspersions on our judicial system, as if we do not understand law, we don't understand fair deal and justice."

"In fact, we do. We had a very good history of treating our aborigines, for example. We didn't shoot them dead. We didn't commit genocide. So when making criticism of other people, please look at your own background and temper it with some humility."

In the Bangkok Post interview, Mahathir complained that reports of his remarks on Jews last week to an Islamic summit in Malaysia, which the United States, the European Union, Australia and others denounced as anti-Semitic, "just picked up one sentence in my speech."

News accounts had ignored his condemnation of all violence, including suicide bombings, and his call on Muslims to heed the teachings of the Koran and talk peace with Israel, he said.

Asked why he thought this was the case, Mahathir replied: "Well, many newspapers are owned by Jews. They only see that angle and they have a powerful influence over the thinking of many people. Only their side of the picture is given now."

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark disputed that.

"Having seen the item on television myself, it's hard to see how you could have misinterpreted it. It was a most unfortunate message," she said

MediaSlayer
10-21-2003, 04:56 PM
*yawn

billyfridge
10-21-2003, 07:18 PM
I've always said jews rule the world from the shadows, how else does israel
get away with what she does? :angry:

SodiumChloride
10-22-2003, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Tasty@21 October 2003 - 09:54
Mahathir, who steps down at the end of the month after 22 years in power, told the Bangkok Post in an interview that widespread criticism of his recent remark that "Jews rule the world by proxy" proved he was right.
ROFLMAO

This guy is reminiscent of Kim Jong Il. Same funky logic.

j2k4
10-22-2003, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by SodiumChloride+22 October 2003 - 01:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SodiumChloride &#064; 22 October 2003 - 01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Tasty@21 October 2003 - 09:54
Mahathir, who steps down at the end of the month after 22 years in power, told the Bangkok Post in an interview that widespread criticism of his recent remark that "Jews rule the world by proxy" proved he was right.
ROFLMAO

This guy is reminiscent of Kim Jong Il. Same funky logic.[/b][/quote]
Yes-

For a race who "rule the world by proxy", they sure picked a winning situation in the mid-east, huh?

Unfortunately, he seems to be expressing the sentiments of most of the world&#39;s population.

Absent the U.S., does Israel have a strong ally?

Nope.

Absent the U.S., would Israel survive?

Not bloody likely.

MediaSlayer
10-22-2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by billyfridge@21 October 2003 - 19:18
I&#39;ve always said jews rule the world from the shadows, how else does israel
get away with what she does? :angry:
You&#39;ve always said that where? On this forum? With a post count of 2 I&#39;m thinking one of two things is happening.

a. i&#39;m going crazy
b. you are a regular member who uses this account to respond to topics like this in disguise

but i could be wrong so don&#39;t be offended please

ljossberir
10-22-2003, 09:30 PM
Aright,im an atheist and my parents are catholic but im gettin pretty damn sick of this "jewish conspiracy" crap, most of that stuff is totally unwarranted. And wtf? Here in the US we get attacked by Muslim extremists and yet there&#39;s still more of a chatter about a jewish conspiracy than an Islamic one (not that I think there is: people of all sorts take religion too seriously, xtians included) When are people gonna give this crap up already? If the jews are "ruling the world" then why do they keep getting blown up in their own cafes and buses... you figure people who ran the world would be able to protect themselves better. The people with these theories are no different than nazis in my mind, most of these people who talk like this would just as soon kill every innocent jew on this planet... it&#39;s ludicrous... Why do so many people come down on the US for being anti-Islam and starting a war against Islam and how "immoral" that is, when most muslim opinion I&#39;ve heard favors "eradicating all jews" Seriously, are these Muslim extremists any different than the Muslims during the crusades, the catholic church during the inquisition or colonial folk during the witch trials? I didn&#39;t think so. Hate needs to be wiped out all together, I don&#39;t care who you are, white, black, rich, poor, christian, muslim... people need to start taking a stand against it in all it&#39;s forms.

..and the favored forms of hate today include anti semitism - irrational, illogical and destructive.

blackhatknight
10-22-2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@22 October 2003 - 06:10
Absent the U.S., does Israel have a strong ally? Nope.

Absent the U.S., would Israel survive? Not bloody likely.
I feel your overlooking the UK (which argueably has regional variations on the issue)

j2k4
10-23-2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by blackhatknight+22 October 2003 - 17:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blackhatknight @ 22 October 2003 - 17:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@22 October 2003 - 06:10
Absent the U.S., does Israel have a strong ally? Nope.

Absent the U.S., would Israel survive? Not bloody likely.
I feel your overlooking the UK (which argueably has regional variations on the issue) [/b][/quote]
I&#39;ll grant that. ;)

My oversight.

I tend to co-opt the U.K.&#39;s good intentions out of habit. :)

Billy_Dean
10-23-2003, 10:32 AM
Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad ... what a guy, you just got to admire him, don&#39;t you?

Always speaks the truth, a straight shooter, tells it like it is.

I wonder what the world would be like if Malaysia had a veto at the UN?


:)

_FuNgA_
10-23-2003, 11:36 AM
speaking of the UN, I must say that in my mind if the UN was just to cease to exist, I wouldn&#39;t care. like as if France deserves a veto, to me it is ridiculous. But yes, thank lordie Malaysia doesn&#39;t have a veto.

j2k4
10-23-2003, 04:07 PM
There exists anti-semitism in the U.N., barely subliminated in some cases.

Biggles
10-23-2003, 06:49 PM
Hmmm I see what you mean J2K4 with such startling revelations from a World Leader the chances of discussing long term peace in the ME in a sensible manner are somewhat slim.

The idea that people as disparate as Marx (Karl and Groucho), Bob Dylan, Mahler, Woody Allen and old Mrs Cohen who runs the bagel shop are all part of some huge conspiracy which no one else is privy to stretches my incredulity past breaking point.

The Anglo French agreement (Balfour declaration) in 1917 said that Jews could settle in Palestine as a homeland. Faisal, later King Faisal of Iraq, said that they would be welcomed as brothers and that there was room for both. By 1935 about 150,000 had moved there and bought land - there was very little friction and no shootings or bombs. By 1939, thanks to a Mr. Hiltler and the assistance of the British administration in Palestine, there were 650,000 Jews in Palestine - mostly frightened people who had lost everything to the Nazis. There was also a panic struck Palestinian population who begged the British to send no more. (Shades of current anti immigration on our own shores here I think :unsure: ) Britain started sending ships back to Germany and consigning people to the resettlement camps which in turn became the concentration camps and ultimately to their deaths.

Yes there has been a Zionist thread in Jewish culture as in the "next year in Jerusalem" toast. However, the overwhelming majority are happy with their lives in New York, London or wherever. Can you imagine Woody Allen anywhere but Manhatten? Come to think of it, the backbone of the US liberal intellgensia are Jewish and all vote Democrat

Through the pogroms of Russia, and the death squads of Nazi Germany the Jews were displaced. The Palestinians were left holding the baby and felt put upon. The numbers in Israel swelled further as Jews tried to escape persecution in the Soviet Union. This created further tensions in the region as these people found it hard to integrate with western Jews (still do).

There are many good people in both the Israeli and Palestinian camps. However two frightened peoples have let the hawks into the roost - the bloodbath is hardly a surprise.

I know this a very potted history and there are lots of wrongs and rights on both sides missed out - but do they really make a difference? There is no Zionist plot - simply a lot of angry displaced people fighting over land and water. Hitherto Jews and Muslims had co-existed better than most religiously diverse groups and certainly with far less bloodshed than the Jews and Christians.

Yes there are rich Jews and it is no surprise that they do support their own. The poor Jews do likewise. However, Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish and as far as I can see he owns most of the world &#39;s media (joke - please do not list stats proving otherwise).

I have no intention of being contentious here and would hope that what I say above pours oil on troubled waters. However, I realise that others might find fault with what I say and I am happy to take criticism for it.

j2k4
10-23-2003, 08:01 PM
Your "oil" is the "Balm of Gilead", Biggles.

The situation in the mideast is best viewed at a certain remove-ironic, isn&#39;t it, how the lessons of history are lost to the selective and sectarian memories of same. :(

Rat Faced
10-23-2003, 09:08 PM
Rupert Murdoch (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2162658.stm) or Rupert Murdoch (http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/05/Murdoch2.html) .......

:rolleyes:


Rupert&#39;s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife&#39;s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town. For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew...

And that, as I am sure you know, makes him a Jew according to the law of the Talmud, and indeed according to the present laws of Israel.





Please Note:
This post does not mean that i am a proponent to any "Jewish Conspiracy" theory...

Biggles
10-23-2003, 11:25 PM
Rat Face

Well I never&#33; You live and learn it would appear. I had no knowledge of Mr. Murdoch&#39;s Jewish connection. Murdoch being a Scottish name I thought we had to take some of the blame somewhere down the line - nice to see we can share it with somebody else.

However, his mother could not have been too orthodox or she would never have married a non-Jew and I certainly won&#39;t be suggesting that Rupert is a member of the liberal intelligensia. :)