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MagicNakor
11-01-2003, 02:42 AM
I had this one pass through my mailbox just now. I'll just paste the text here, you can get the full-colour (and with pictures!) experience here. (http://objective.jesussave.us/halloween.html)


While many Christians correctly see Halloween as a time of occult dangers - when Satan is out in force trying to corrupt our society - they overlook the fact that all things are created by the Lord for a purpose. So what is the purpose of this dark time of the year?

Starting this year, witches are out and Jesus is in! Reclaim Halloween in the name of Jesus! (Artwork by Peggy Miller) Consider this: At what other time of the year do throngs of unsaved children come to your door, begging for you to give them a treat? Why not use this unique opportunity to give these deprived children the best treat of all - the treat of Christ's Love and eternal Salvation?

Jesus Himself preached to the whores and money changers, the very people most in need of his Love. These unsaved trick-or-treaters - innocent children tricked by secular society and their non-Christian parents into participating in occult rituals - are exactly the ones in need of the Good News of Christ. And there they are, right on your door step!

Clearly the Lord has created Halloween for the purpose of bringing the would-be-damned to us, His loyal followers, at an early age so that we may help them on the way to Salvation. So, in fact, this is not merely an unexpected opportunity, it is an obligation that we as Christians must rise to. Halloween isn't the witching season, it's the witnessing season!

We as Christians can learn from the dentists: instead of seeing Halloween as a time awash in tooth-decaying decadence, dentists have used it to promote proper dental hygiene by handing out toothbrushes, floss, and sugar-free candy to children. They have taken a frown and turned it upside down.

Just because the forces of the occult falsely lay claim to some of God's creations doesn't make them any less God's creations. It is important that we acknowledge that there are certainly lots of anti-Christian activities that go on during Halloween, including obvious and blatant things such as the reveling in demonology but also subtly subversive things such as "bobbing for apples", which is really a symbolic re-enactment of the Fall. These things are dangerous and need to be opposed by all good Christians. However, some of the traditional trappings of Halloween are not really occult. Bats, black cats, and spiders are all God's creatures too and skeletons are God's way of supporting your body; do not let ancient superstitions - whose origins are actually Pagan - keep you in fear of His creations.

Whether real occult dangers or misappropriated trappings, we must not let these put us off and cause us to retreat into our homes, turn off the lights, and pretend we are not home when the doorbell rings. No, we must face the anti-Christian challenges and vanquish them with the help of the Lord. We must take the fright and set it aright!

Just as the winter solstice - which was created by God, not demons - was reclaimed from the villanous grip of the Pagans in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, we as Christians must reclaim Halloween. We must proclaim that Halloween is now Christ's holiday. From now on it shall be used to witness to the wicked and ignorant. What was once used by Satan as a recruitment program, shall now be used against him. Satan's tricks shall be turned into the Lord's treats!

This Halloween, what you as a Christian need to do is HalloWitness.

What is HalloWitnessing? I define HalloWitnessing as using the tools of Satan against him; taking the trappings of Halloween - the things the kids enjoy about it - and using them to show the kids the Truth of Christ.

Some examples of HalloWitnessing techniques are:

Hand out Bible tracts not candy -
Everyone loves candy, but it doesn't really provide nourishment - for the body or the soul. Instead of handing out candy to the trick-or-treaters, why not give them something a little meatier? Why not give them Bible tracts! Bible tracts can be gotten for modest donations from many Christian publishers. You can also download them off the Internet for free and print them out. Or, If you are really inspired, you can make your own, individually personalized for each child in your neighborhood! This is a good way to address the individual spiritual needs of your neighbor's kids.


"Bazooka Jesus", one of the many quality Christian evangelical candies available commercially. (Click to enlarge photo.) Bible promoting literature can come in many forms besides just tracts. Some forms will actually work better with today's short-attention-spanned secular youth. One of the best HalloWitnessing tools you can use is candy with Scripture or pro-Jesus messages printed on the wrappers. These work great because they give the child what they expect from Halloween - sweet candy - while also providing them with a dose of Christ. This will help create in the child a positive association with Christianity, countering the anti-Christian indoctrination rampent in secular society. It can also be less threatening to the Christ-adverse child. For instance, "Bazooka Jesus" brand chewing gum (available at finer Christian supply stores) looks outwardly like popular secular candy, however on the inside of the wrapper are Bible inspired cartoons that open the secularized or occultified child's mind to the Lord. Also, don't underestimate the spirit raising power of simple symbolic candies, such as candy crosses or chocolate Jesus fish.

Educate through costumes -
The unsaved youths today with their Power Rangers and Peekachoos and other secular heros they see on TV are very enamored with "make believe" and "role playing". This is one of the reasons that Halloween keeps getting more popular every year since it allows them to dress up as their heros. Satan uses these seemingly innocent secular costumes (often cheaply purchased in local retail stores) as gate-way costumes for the more blatantly occult garb: witches, monsters, demons, Darth Mauls, and the like.

"BOO! I'm John the Baptist, and these are my many exciting exploits..." Often, secular and pagan adults who hand out candy participate in this costume ritual as a way of further indoctrinating the children into the occult world-view. The principle of HalloWitnessing tells us that we Christians should do this too. However, instead of dressing up in occult costumes, we should dress up as historical persons from the Bible. When the children ask you who you are supposed to be, you can use that as an opening to teach them about the Lord. You can involve your whole family by creating costumed plays dramatizing the historical events in the Bible that you can perform for the unsaved children at your door, or perhaps just simple monologues given in-character as Moses or John the Baptist.

(However, while dressing up as Biblical individuals is a good way to teach about the true history of the Bible, common sense and moderation should be heeded. For instance, it would be inappropriate to appear at your door as pre-Fall Adam or Eve or as a Sodomite.)

Another option is to appropriate traditional costumes. For instance, a white sheet with eye-holes worn over one's head isn't an occult spirit, it's the Holy Ghost. Write "HG" on the front and when the kids ask what that means, explain to them the subtle mystery of the Trinity; it will "blow their minds".

Even if you decide you do not want to wear costumes, remember: the forces of the occult may put on rubber masks and polyvinyl smocks, but when we Christians teach about the Lord, we put our full armor on!

Encourage the kids to spread the Good News -

However you decide to HalloWitness, make sure you tell the kids to pass it on. Give them extra copies of Bible tracts to trade with their friends at school (that's one way to beat the prohibition on God!). Make a point to suggest to the kids that they tell their friends what great stuff you are handing out. Many kids today carry cellphones and pagers so they may contact their buddies right away!

Enlist the support of your Christian neighbors -

Share your faith with carved vegetables. Don't try to reclaim Halloween all on your own! It will be much easier and more spiritually rewarding to do it working with your fellow Christian neighbors. Work together to come up with a game plan so that you aren't all handing out the same Bible tracts or confusing the unsaved with unintended mixed messages. If you do this you can really maximize the impact of the HalloWitness experience for the unsaved.

With today's hectic schedules, it may be impossible to set up a planning meeting with your Christian neighbors, but you still want them to know that you are HalloWitnessing. What can you do? One way to let your fellow Christians know that you are offering a Christ-friendly Halloween experience by displaying a Jesus-o-lantern (a hollowed pumpkin carved with a cross or image of Jesus.) Not only will your neighbors see it, but any Christians visiting your neighborhood with their kids on Halloween will know that your house is a safe one to let their children go to.

Be creative! -

It's all about getting the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ out to the unsaved children in your neighborhood, so pull out all the stops and make it a Halloween they'll remember for an eternity!


Some of my fellow Christians have questioned whether HalloWitnessing is a good idea. Their main concerns are that some Christians might mistakenly embrace the darkness of Halloween in their attempts to reclaim it. While there is always a danger of Satan tricking us mere mortals into buying into his lies, that is why the Lord gave us the community of Christianity so that we may help one another stay the course of righteousness. If we as Christians stand together we can win this war against the dark forces of Halloween and reclaim the night in the name of Jesus.

The people who will most oppose the concept of Halloween reclamation and HalloWitnessing are those who are not Christian, and especially those who are in active allegiance with the occult and Satan.

For instance, some atheist or pagan parents may object that you are trying to tell their children the Truth about the Lord Jesus Christ and His offer of Salvation. They wish to hide the Truth from their children, not only by banishing God from their own homes, but from our nation's schools as well. While most of these parents are merely ignorant of the Truth and wish to keep it from their children due to their misunderstandings of what it really is, some know and understand it but are actively trying to suppress it anyways due to the evilness in their hearts. The children of these latter parents need your help. You must get the Truth to them so that they may escape the clutches of their Satan-infested households.


Mini-KitKat bars work well for hiding personalized Bible tracts since they have an outer label that can be removed, written on, and reattached with ease. This is why HalloWitnessing is so important. These are the children we need to reach, and since they won't be coming to our churches and we can't currently reach them through the secular school system, Halloween represents our only - and, praise!, our best - chance to bring them over to Christ.

If any children in your neighborhood are being spiritually abused in this manner, you may have to be stealthy to get the Good News to them. Consider not doing any overt HalloWitnessing such as costume dramas or putting out a Jesus-o-lantern, but instead focus on targeted distributing of Bible tracts to children who won't come in contact with the the abused child or his parents. Also consider putting up more secular Halloween decorations - such as cardboard articulated skeletons - so as to make your house seem non-threatening to those brain-washed by the occult. When the abused child comes, have prepared a special handout for him or her with hidden Bible tracts. These can be written on the inside of candy wrappers, but avoid using any prepackaged Bible tract candy such as Bazooka Jesus as those would just be thrown out by the parent. Also be sure to include a personalized note and the phone number of your church so that the child knows he or she can contact someone on the outside world to get help.

It is our duty as Christians to oppose the forces of darkness, and by reclaiming Halloween from the Pagans, secularists, and practitioners of the occult we will be doing just that. I hope that this information helps you all in our righteous cause. God bless and have a Holy Halloween!

And the good doctor's bio:


Dr. Troy Franklin has built a career around researching the occult and its attempts to destroy Christianity. Considered one of the foremost in the new school of Baptist demon exorcism specialists, Dr. Franklin has battled Satan up close and personal on many occasions, yet he always manages to come through unscathed thanks to the power of Christ.

There are similiar "objectives" on that site as well. Mall Mission is equally terrifying.

I'm not entirely sure where to start with this one. It's wrong on many levels. So I'll post something after what I've got's congealed a bit.

:ninja:

Rat Faced
11-01-2003, 11:32 AM
What a load of crap.

Halloween is a pagan celebration hijacked by the christian church, just like Christmas... (1st November is All Saints Day)

31st October was Samhein (sp?), the end of summer and Celtic New Year in Ireland.

On that day, the disembodied spirits of all those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the spirit world to intermingle with the living.

Naturally, the still-living did not want to be possessed. So on the night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten away spirits looking for bodies to possess.

Probably a better explanation of why the Celts extinguished their fires was not to discourage spirit possession, but so that all the Celtic tribes could relight their fires from a common source, the Druidic fire that was kept burning in the Middle of Ireland, at Usinach.

Some accounts tell of how the Celts would burn someone at the stake who was thought to have already been possessed, as sort of a lesson to the spirits. Other accounts of Celtic history debunk these stories as myth.

The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the first century AD, Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween.

The thrust of the practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As belief in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.

The Christian Curch, as it did a lot in those days..."Adopted" the celeration and changed its meaning to fit its own agenda. Look at the similarity of Pan and the Devil for example, or why Old Churches in the UK are built in the same places as the pagans used to worship.. eg Where Ley Lines cross.

These were tricks that were used to help "Convert" the barbarians... Let them worship in the same place, and at the same times as they always did..but change the meanings, over the cause of a hundred years or so.

Biggles
11-01-2003, 02:23 PM
MN

Please say the whole thing is just a joke. :blink:

Whilst I have no problem with anyone following the religion of their choice, the little ditty you have copied is just plain scary.

I dare say they will be re-claiming Ramadan and Diwhali next.

Interestingly, the old Pagan festival of fertility and birth of Spring is held on the 21st of March (Spring equinox) and is called Oestra after the goddess's name (also root of the female hormone oestrogen, if anyone is interested). Her symbol was the March hare - hence Easter bunnies. I wonder if Pagan's should re-claim Oestra. :)

blackhatknight
11-01-2003, 02:39 PM
"Clearly the Lord has created Halloween for the purpose "

I could comment more but am limiting it, i think the good doctor has missed a very fundamental point their is a difference between what God allows and what He creates

To me the most of the advert embodies this, their is an uneasiness about it and a lack of understand of many fundamental concepts just goes to show a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing

Spatula Geek Girl
11-01-2003, 03:55 PM
I was under the impression that Halloween belonged to sweet shops and pumpkin farmers these days :huh:

Rat Faced
11-01-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Biggles@1 November 2003 - 14:23
MN

Please say the whole thing is just a joke. :blink:

Whilst I have no problem with anyone following the religion of their choice, the little ditty you have copied is just plain scary.

I dare say they will be re-claiming Ramadan and Diwhali next.

Interestingly, the old Pagan festival of fertility and birth of Spring is held on the 21st of March (Spring equinox) and is called Oestra after the goddess's name (also root of the female hormone oestrogen, if anyone is interested). Her symbol was the March hare - hence Easter bunnies. I wonder if Pagan's should re-claim Oestra. :)
I agree.

All Pagans should reclaim Christmas, Easter, All Saints Day etc etc etc...


Let the Christians create their OWN festival dates, instead of stealing everyone elses.

Whats the betting most people would still celebrate on the pagan dates?

blackhatknight
11-01-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@1 November 2003 - 16:09


All Pagans should reclaim Christmas, Easter, All Saints Day etc etc etc...


Let the Christians create their OWN festival dates, instead of stealing everyone elses.

though i suspect your comments are tounge in cheek they is perhaps more truth in them than you realise it is man's fooly that has tried to reconcile many pegan festiviles with the Gospel and rouge elements through out the years that have paganised the Christian festivels to be honest and frank the vast majority of these festiviles are rotten to the core and i can not think of one that has not been preverted to accommodate man's own ends

MagicNakor
11-02-2003, 12:38 AM
Unfortunately it's not a joke.

I have to wonder at the mindset of a man who would slip the wrappers off of candy, write Biblical tracts on them, and put them back on. I believe it's somewhat similiar to the poisoning/razor-blading of candies.

There are numerous logical leaps in that which I'm not prepared to make, such as "bobbing for apples a symbolic re-enactment of the Fall." I'm fairly sure that one who hands out tracts instead of candy will be spending the next week scraping egg from his windows.

The minister of the church here's a neighbour of mine, and doesn't seem to mind kids dressed up as ghosts and goblins. The house is decorated for Halloween, and it's candy, not sermons, that are given.


[b]If any children in your neighborhood are being spiritually abused in this manner, you may have to be stealthy to get the Good News to them. Consider not doing any overt HalloWitnessing such as costume dramas or putting out a Jesus-o-lantern, but instead focus on targeted distributing of Bible tracts to children who won't come in contact with the the abused child or his parents. Also consider putting up more secular Halloween decorations - such as cardboard articulated skeletons - so as to make your house seem non-threatening to those brain-washed by the occult. When the abused child comes, have prepared a special handout for him or her with hidden Bible tracts. These can be written on the inside of candy wrappers, but avoid using any prepackaged Bible tract candy such as Bazooka Jesus as those would just be thrown out by the parent. Also be sure to include a personalized note and the phone number of your church so that the child knows he or she can contact someone on the outside world to get help.

That's scary.

Most of the major Christian holidays are just the "pagan" ones renamed, so it would be more apt to have Christianized "pagan" festivals, rather than the other way around.

:ninja:

blackhatknight
11-02-2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by MagicNakor@2 November 2003 - 00:38
so it would be more apt to have Christianized "pagan" festivals, rather than the other way around.

do you believe that is possilbe????

MagicNakor
11-02-2003, 12:58 AM
It's been happening for 1500 years, more or less. ;)

:ninja:

blackhatknight
11-02-2003, 01:37 AM
Yes you are totally right it has been happening but is it possible, i.e. that two sides can co exist surely one must give way to the other????

Rat Faced
11-02-2003, 02:08 AM
Pagans are not in short supply, even now...

The differing Pagan religions appear to have corrupted each other from their pure forms, but there are still a lot of "Pagans"..

MagicNakor
11-02-2003, 02:25 AM
I believe that different religions can peacefully co-exist. They have before. Unfortunately it requires a degree of tolerance that fundamentalists (of any faith) generally don't have.

:ninja:

Rat Faced
11-02-2003, 02:30 AM
http://emergraphiks.tripod.com/unityanim.gif

MagicNakor
11-02-2003, 03:29 AM
Kind of.

I didn't actually know there was a .gif for that.

:ninja:

Billy_Dean
11-02-2003, 09:27 AM
Regular posters here know my views of religion. This article, and the mindset it represents, is an absolute disgrace. "Unsaved" children? All this "original sin" nonsense makes a mockery of christianity's claim to being "God" worshippers.

The sooner religion dies the better.


:)

ljossberir
11-02-2003, 09:58 AM
damn these people sure scare me... what kind of wackos would write something like that.

First off, I'm not a christian but I'm not a pagan either. So I have a bit of objectivity on this. Halloween is NOT a christian holiday, it is a PAGAN holidy. I'm sure most of you know this by now. Sure, it's been dumbed down and changed to a point almost beyond recognition but it began as a pagan holiday (something to do with nature , go figure) I don't know all the facts or specifics but you know what pisses me off? Why do some christians (not all) have to get so involved in stupid social customs or other people's holidays. It sure shows not the *love* , but the *greed* of judeo christian culture, everything:mine,mine,mine. It's stupid. Let people be who they want to be. Pagans and wiccans and all those guys for the most part don't even acknowledge the existence of the devil, so how can they be "his tools/messangers"?
Some of these biblethumping people remind me of Nazis. Only instead of a jewish conspiracy, it's a "heathen/satanic/pagan conspiracy" Get over it, you're not important enough to have people conspire against you, most rational people who read your crap go running for matches and kerosene to burn it in. Let people be who they want to be and shut your yammering about the devil.
Honestly, if I found out god and the devil do exist, and god's followers are like these people - I'd immediately enlist with the morningstar, just so I could spiritually bash these idiots upside their collective "heads".

[/rant]

blade1356uk
11-02-2003, 10:01 AM
A 73 yrs old guy chased some halloweeners after having his property egged & the guy died from a heart attack 200 yards from his house.eggs & flour had been thrown at moving cars & a police car had a firework thrown at it,but they got the kid who did this.halloween is not a UK tradition but is for the US & not being a boring old git ,but when people are dying from stress caused by these fools,then comes a time to ban not only halloween but fireworks ,celibrations can be held by the community then there will be less damage caused,try getting egg white from your windows or car paintwork.

blackhatknight
11-03-2003, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by blade1356uk@2 November 2003 - 10:01
then comes a time to ban not only halloween but fireworks
they where banned from northern ireland for years, i can say we socially suffered for it (notably the council, etc. still but on firework shows, just the general public wasn't meant to have them) if they are creating more problems (i.e. being thrown at the elderly and stuff) than they are benefit i'm with you 110%

dragon_bane
11-03-2003, 09:47 PM
Im aethist so i dont celebrate Christmas for the Jesus crap, but i do celebrate for the family reason.