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Skiz
06-18-2010, 09:58 PM
Obama Administration to File Suit Over Arizona Immigration Law

Department of Justice still reviewing the law to build the administration's case — but decision has already been made to file a lawsuit.

Seriously?? FFS, the AZ law is an almost exact quote of the federal immigration law, only edited partially to suit the state, and the feds are going to fight it? :blink:

Am I the only one who thinks this is the clearest signal that nothing, and I mean nothing will ever be done to control the dangers coming across our southern border?

pentomato
06-19-2010, 12:04 AM
So mexicans coming here to work, are dangerous to you?

l33tpirata13
06-19-2010, 03:37 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this is the clearest signal that nothing, and I mean nothing will ever be done to control the dangers coming across our southern border?

Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

bigboab
06-20-2010, 09:20 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this is the clearest signal that nothing, and I mean nothing will ever be done to control the dangers coming across our southern border?

Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

I don't know the laws of the U.S. Regarding immigration. I can tell you it is just as hard for European 'White boys' to get into America. Not that I wan't to. I don't trust the colonies.:whistling

l33tpirata13
06-20-2010, 02:09 PM
I don't know the laws of the U.S. Regarding immigration.

Yeah, i can tell. Its ok, misinformation is rampant. What's happening in Arizona has many different facets to it. The main narrative there is that white people are scared of mexicans, and the "government" is thinly veiled KKK. I doesnt matter really, eventually all their daughters and sons will be giving birth to latinos.

pentomato
06-20-2010, 06:04 PM
Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

I don't know the laws of the U.S. Regarding immigration. I can tell you it is just as hard for European 'White boys' to get into America. Not that I wan't to. I don't trust the colonies.:whistling

It's easier for whites to come here than mexicans, if not tell all the Albanians that have come here in the last 5 years and other european countries, such as Ireland, england etc, they stay without a problem.
And by the way if anyone comes with the crap that mexicans should follow the process, get legal before they come here, well there is not process, there is not way to get the green card any more so to let you know.

megabyteme
06-20-2010, 10:29 PM
Just glanced at this, but I fully side with the sentiments of what l33t is saying here.

As for pento, the "problem" with Mexican immigration is that they come here with limited educations, without resources, and sometimes in poor health. There are also millions who cross the southern border, whereas other immigrants must travel further. I'm not saying that there are only a few European/Asian immigrants, but the emphasis of concern is elsewhere.

Ask an Irish immigrant how "easy" it was to come to the US. White is not a "free pass".


I say this, but I am a supported of Mexican immigration. How can I not support the spirit of someone who is willing to risk their life and leave everything behind, just to come here and do jobs that US citizens do not want- for pay that will not keep "us" in a lifestyle we are accustomed to?

The history of poor people coming to America is one filled with mistreatment and greed on the side of companies. Look to the practices of these "employers" first when pointing fingers.

These people (Mexicans, Albanianians, whoever) are brave and typically hard-working, they deserve compassion- not persecution.

pentomato
06-21-2010, 12:05 PM
the fucking new president already got an oscar for not inventing anything

That was Al Gore, chill out man, you seem upset with the world.

pentomato
06-21-2010, 12:11 PM
Just glanced at this, but I fully side with the sentiments of what l33t is saying here.

As for pento, the "problem" with Mexican immigration is that they come here with limited educations, without resources, and sometimes in poor health. There are also millions who cross the southern border, whereas other immigrants must travel further. I'm not saying that there are only a few European/Asian immigrants, but the emphasis of concern is elsewhere.

Ask an Irish immigrant how "easy" it was to come to the US. White is not a "free pass".


I say this, but I am a supported of Mexican immigration. How can I not support the spirit of someone who is willing to risk their life and leave everything behind, just to come here and do jobs that US citizens do not want- for pay that will not keep "us" in a lifestyle we are accustomed to?

The history of poor people coming to America is one filled with mistreatment and greed on the side of companies. Look to the practices of these "employers" first when pointing fingers.

These people (Mexicans, Albanianians, whoever) are brave and typically hard-working, they deserve compassion- not persecution.

And that's why this is call the land of opportunity, here you can do things you would never do in any other country, such as going to college when you are in your 40's or 80's, here doesn't matter how old you are.
And of course the people that come here are poor, there is not point in coming here without that need, that's why is call immigration, people leave their country because they have a need to do so. Europeans that came 40 and more years ago, didn't have an education, they did it because they were poor or other reasons.

megabyteme
06-21-2010, 12:26 PM
Did you happen to read past my second paragraph, pento? :unsure:

To sum it up, we are on the same side here, I just disagreed with your argument.

j2k4
06-22-2010, 10:53 PM
Did you happen to read past my second paragraph, pento? :unsure:

To sum it up, we are on the same side here, I just disagreed with your argument.

His argument?

Side?

What?

megabyteme
06-23-2010, 12:51 AM
Did you happen to read past my second paragraph, pento? :unsure:

To sum it up, we are on the same side here, I just disagreed with your argument.

His argument?

Side?

What?

A simple diversionary tactic that did not require me to put any effort towards figuring out what pento was trying to say, but still allowed me to tell pento it was wrong. :shifty:

j2k4
06-23-2010, 01:10 AM
His argument?

Side?

What?

A simple diversionary tactic that did not require me to put any effort towards figuring out what pento was trying to say, but still allowed me to tell pento it was wrong. :shifty:

Ooooh.

That's serious game.

Poor Pento...

megabyteme
06-23-2010, 09:03 PM
A simple diversionary tactic that did not require me to put any effort towards figuring out what pento was trying to say, but still allowed me to tell pento it was wrong. :shifty:

Ooooh.

That's serious game.

Poor Pento...

Think of it as pretending to throw a ball for a dog, then telling the dog to keep looking.

It works as long as your victim is a dim witted canine, or pent. :D

Skiz
06-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this is the clearest signal that nothing, and I mean nothing will ever be done to control the dangers coming across our southern border?

Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

It's posts like that that make me wonder I ever bother trying to have a decent discussion in this section anymore. I give up. :dabs:

megabyteme
06-23-2010, 10:04 PM
I can see myself getting that upset if I were being pulled over and harassed for papers/green card because of appearance. The fact is, there are millions of legal, naturally born, Mexican-Americans who should not be harassed any more than you, or I, skiz.

And I have been harassed by local cops. I used to have a delivery route that had me drive ~65 miles a night, through the central portion of our city. I drove a POS truck to do it. I got pulled over for BS reasons. The more you get pulled over, the more likely you are to get undeserved tickets. My "crime" was not having much money. This made me distrust and, at times, disgusted by our local cops.

I can only imagine how angry I would be if the injustices against me were based on race, and lack of money...

What Arizona is doing is reactionary, and wrong. Again, if an area TRULY wants to stop illegal immigration, it will go after (seriously, not just for show) the companies who are hiring and abusing these people.

l33tpirata13
06-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

It's posts like that that make me wonder I ever bother trying to have a decent discussion in this section anymore. I give up. :dabs:

please guy, like you have anything valid to add? After siding with a known kkk supporter,KOBACH, what can you possibly say that is of any value? Seriously!?

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megabyteme
06-24-2010, 02:57 PM
Hey, l33t, I think skiz was referring to constructive discussion.

I am sure you have read my posts here, and I am with your sentiments (no trick :P ), but the discussion won't go anywhere if it is filled with over-the-top comments from either side.

We both know that Arizona (among others) is treating the Mexican and Mexican-American populations improperly. Let's let sound arguments drown out the injustice.

I haven't even brought up corn subsidies crippling the Mexican farmers' livelihood and forcing them to find work elsewhere...

l33tpirata13
06-24-2010, 03:33 PM
Hey, l33t, I think skiz was referring to constructive discussion.

I am sure you have read my posts here, and I am with your sentiments (no trick :P ), but the discussion won't go anywhere if it is filled with over-the-top comments from either side.

We both know that Arizona (among others) is treating the Mexican and Mexican-American populations improperly. Let's let sound arguments drown out the injustice.

I haven't even brought up corn subsidies crippling the Mexican farmers' livelihood and forcing them to find work elsewhere...

ill try not being such a dick. really i will. but dude, look where he's coming from. Believe me when i say that whats happening in AZ doesnt scare me at all. honestly, i know its not going anywhere. besides, someone like me would bankroll off of all the lawsuits i could produce. What really REALLY irks me is all these racists coming out of the woodwork. And they are around my age too, i thought our generation was a bit more tolerant and understanding. I honestly feel let down.

megabyteme
06-24-2010, 03:51 PM
Have you seen Blazing Saddles? It is still as relevant today as it was when it first came out.


Olson Johnson: All right... we'll give some land to the niggers and the chinks. But we don't want the Irish!
[everyone complains]
Olson Johnson: Aw, prairie shit... Everybody!
[everyone rejoices]

A VAST amount of this is guided by economics/greed/fear/capitalism. I could have written that out, but they are all one in the same, really. Each of these is based in inequality, not equality.

It is easy to blame someone of a different race, or socio-economical background for one's problems- it always has been.

In terms of social change, I do not see so much of a move towards equality, as I do see a more diverse group getting shit on. Instead of poverty and civil rights being STRONGLY in favor of whites (the "right" kinds, anyway), now anyone who is poor stands an equal chance of staying poor.

There are huge problems in our system. Instead of looking at the big picture, it is FAR easier to point the finger at immigrants, or people who look like immigrants. This has always been done to someone.

Skiz
06-24-2010, 06:38 PM
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Hypocrite? Nothing was "illegal" about Europeans coming to the New World. :blink:

I have no problem with immigration either. None whatsoever. You can take that "skinhead, whiteboy, bigoted white folk" talk elsewhere. I do however have a legitimate beef with 20 million +/- illegal immigrants taking advantage of the benefits set aside for legal, tax paying residents of this country. Illegal immigrants; not legal ones.

l33tpirata13
06-24-2010, 09:11 PM
Hypocrite? Nothing was "illegal" about Europeans coming to the New World. :blink:

Yeah, you need to revise your history. Manifest destiny is a bunch of bullshit. tejas was part of a sovern country. so how in the fuck was it a GOD given right? Again, skiz, read a history book dude.

l33tpirata13
06-24-2010, 09:29 PM
I do however have a legitimate beef with 20 million +/- illegal immigrants taking advantage of the benefits set aside for legal, tax paying residents of this country. Illegal immigrants; not legal ones.

Pick a side guy, the benefits are my GOD GIVEN Right just like they are yours!!! i love MY country too. But yet you willfully decide to ignore my rights to fuck over illegals? Dude i dont want any fucking wetback without papers taking my demo job, but its not their fault. The dick that hired him and is taking advantage of the situation is the one who should be deemed the lawbreaker. But NO, lets scapegoat the fucking Paisa and in effect screw me over for just looking like the "bad guy".

ill give you a opportunity right now to convince me that im wrong. seriously, ill look at your argument with an open mind. i really wanna see your logic.

Skiz
06-25-2010, 07:46 AM
Hypocrite? Nothing was "illegal" about Europeans coming to the New World. :blink:

Yeah, you need to revise your history. Manifest destiny is a bunch of bullshit. tejas was part of a sovern country. so how in the fuck was it a GOD given right? Again, skiz, read a history book dude.

:blink:

You really are dense, aren't you. I never said a single word about "manifest destiny", any "GOD given right", or "tejas" so please stop insinuating that I have. You're putting words in my mouth and debating no one but yourself.

Skiz
06-25-2010, 07:52 AM
I do however have a legitimate beef with 20 million +/- illegal immigrants taking advantage of the benefits set aside for legal, tax paying residents of this country. Illegal immigrants; not legal ones.

Pick a side guy, the benefits are my GOD GIVEN Right just like they are yours!!! i love MY country too. But yet you willfully decide to ignore my rights to fuck over illegals? Dude i dont want any fucking wetback without papers taking my demo job, but its not their fault. The dick that hired him and is taking advantage of the situation is the one who should be deemed the lawbreaker. But NO, lets scapegoat the fucking Paisa and in effect screw me over for just looking like the "bad guy".

ill give you a opportunity right now to convince me that im wrong. seriously, ill look at your argument with an open mind. i really wanna see your logic.

I'd love to reply; really I would. However, you're all over the place there and I can't even understand what you're posting about.

Take a deep breath, calm down, and start over. You might want to start with making a point based on logic or reason. Heck, make a point using both.

l33tpirata13
06-25-2010, 01:55 PM
again, you have no point to even explain, so dont pretend like youre too smart to share it. the fact is that your probably really ashamed of your view. im not all over the place on anything. i know my history, it appears you dont. Europeans use manifest destiny as their pretext to "settle" wherever or whatever they wanted. youre very opinionated but very stupid. Again, im not putting words into your mouth. YOU said it not me. Or is it that you just dont know how racist you really are? cuz thats really common.

So if youre not referring to Manifest destiny, tell me why you think Europeans settled Texas? Thats about a 5th grade lesson. How the fuck can you even provide an opinion if you dont even know how the fuck whitebread got there?

HeavyMetalParkingLot
06-26-2010, 12:41 PM
Yeah, you need to revise your history. Manifest destiny is a bunch of bullshit. tejas was part of a sovern country. so how in the fuck was it a GOD given right? Again, skiz, read a history book dude.

I'm sorry, but you keep telling Skiz he needs to learn his history, but it is obvious you need some schooling here. Texas was NOT a part of a sovereign country, it WAS a sovereign country. Remember the Texas Revolution, when we fought to not be a part of mexico? Remember the following years when Texas was a country to itself? Remember how they joined the U.S. about ten years later?

Also I was wondering, you complain how we wish to enforce our border, but what if we enforced it the way mexico enforces theirs? would you be ok with us raping and beating immigrants?

l33tpirata13
06-26-2010, 02:32 PM
Yeah, you need to revise your history. Manifest destiny is a bunch of bullshit. tejas was part of a sovern country. so how in the fuck was it a GOD given right? Again, skiz, read a history book dude.

I'm sorry, but you keep telling Skiz he needs to learn his history, but it is obvious you need some schooling here. Texas was NOT a part of a sovereign country, it WAS a sovereign country. Remember the Texas Revolution, when we fought to not be a part of mexico? Remember the following years when Texas was a country to itself? Remember how they joined the U.S. about ten years later?

Also I was wondering, you complain how we wish to enforce our border, but what if we enforced it the way mexico enforces theirs? would you be ok with us raping and beating immigrants?

look dude, im not here to argue your Version of what happened. its a fact that the US teaches a ridiculously REVISED version of what happened there. do you seriously believe all that alamo bullshit? ALL, im gonna say is WOW. and you have a mexican flag on your avatar? baboso.

And you think i dont know what happens to immigrants there? Yeah, its fukt up. REally fuckt up. Dude i wont go anywhere near el DF. Its a known fact that i would probably be either robbed, stabbed, kidnapped, tortured, or killed. PInches chilangos putos. guatemaltecos, hondurenos, basically anyone south of mexico has it the fucking worst. its too fuckt up to put into words. the shit they have to do to make it to WHERE? Yeah thats right retrasado, Here to the US of Anal. where the business owner fucks him or her, and at the same time Us. If They didnt hire guess what would happen?

HeavyMetalParkingLot
06-26-2010, 07:41 PM
look dude, im not here to argue your Version of what happened. its a fact that the US teaches a ridiculously REVISED version of what happened there. do you seriously believe all that alamo bullshit? ALL, im gonna say is WOW. and you have a mexican flag on your avatar? baboso.

And you think i dont know what happens to immigrants there? Yeah, its fukt up. REally fuckt up. Dude i wont go anywhere near el DF. Its a known fact that i would probably be either robbed, stabbed, kidnapped, tortured, or killed. PInches chilangos putos. guatemaltecos, hondurenos, basically anyone south of mexico has it the fucking worst. its too fuckt up to put into words. the shit they have to do to make it to WHERE? Yeah thats right retrasado, Here to the US of Anal. where the business owner fucks him or her, and at the same time Us. If They didnt hire guess what would happen?

Sorry, but it is the truth.

Now, about those employers. How can they get away with how they treat illegal aliens, why do they do it? Because they can. What can the illegal aliens do without fear of deportation? Now, what if they came into the country legally, do you think they would be treated the same way if their abuses could bring about repercussions from the various labor departments and civil rights groups? Legal immigration comes with protection of the law. Illegal immigration comes with no protection whatsoever.

You say you wouldn't want to go to el DF, well guess what, we don't want el DF coming here. In the last few years Cuidad Juarez has had over 10,000 murders. This place is right on the border. I don't want to see that enter this country, and I am sure any person with any brains would want that either.

Also, seeing what illegal immigration has done to the state of California, I can not see why anyone would wish that on this country. If you feel your country is so horrible, why would you leave for another country only the make that country as bad as the one you left?

And yes I do have a Mexican flag in my avatar. It's called being hispanic.

l33tpirata13
06-28-2010, 02:05 PM
honestly im really suspicious of you calling yourself a hispanic, in all likelyhood youre not. no self respecting Latino would ever call themselves HisPanic. Thats a white label. now, as far as employers go, how is it that youre saying that they are in the right? it called morals. How are you gonna blame the immigrant coming here out of necessity, and in most likelyhood hunger, rather than blame the greedy business owner who hires them because he wants a yacht?

Now as far as Tejas, seriously guy, do yourself a favor and read "Lies My Teacher Told Me", it will do you alot of good. You dont even have to go very far to find that the US version of what happened there is extremely revised. FACT.

Maybe i dont want all those chilangos over here, honestly i feel you on that one. but dont ever compromise your rights, for NO ONE or NO THING!!!! If your "hispanic":lol:, like you say you are, im sure you would not find it too pleasant to be pulled over, asked for papers, having to worry about being wrongfully deported, and just the inconvenience of sitting in a holding cell for any amount of time. Its wrong. Morally and Legally. Truth be told, there is no real way to distinguish a "Illegal" from a "legal". 'Cept for biometrics. Pulling em over and asking for papers is not done with the intent of finding their legal status(thats impossible at the moment), its done with the intention of demeaning and insulting nothing more, nothing less. That piece of paper you have, dont really mean a thing, i can get that on 26th street for about 300 bucks with a state id. so i ask you again whats the point if youre not using biometrics?

pentomato
06-28-2010, 09:15 PM
look dude, im not here to argue your Version of what happened. its a fact that the US teaches a ridiculously REVISED version of what happened there. do you seriously believe all that alamo bullshit? ALL, im gonna say is WOW. and you have a mexican flag on your avatar? baboso.

And you think i dont know what happens to immigrants there? Yeah, its fukt up. REally fuckt up. Dude i wont go anywhere near el DF. Its a known fact that i would probably be either robbed, stabbed, kidnapped, tortured, or killed. PInches chilangos putos. guatemaltecos, hondurenos, basically anyone south of mexico has it the fucking worst. its too fuckt up to put into words. the shit they have to do to make it to WHERE? Yeah thats right retrasado, Here to the US of Anal. where the business owner fucks him or her, and at the same time Us. If They didnt hire guess what would happen?

Sorry, but it is the truth.

Now, about those employers. How can they get away with how they treat illegal aliens, why do they do it? Because they can. What can the illegal aliens do without fear of deportation? Now, what if they came into the country legally, do you think they would be treated the same way if their abuses could bring about repercussions from the various labor departments and civil rights groups? Legal immigration comes with protection of the law. Illegal immigration comes with no protection whatsoever.

You say you wouldn't want to go to el DF, well guess what, we don't want el DF coming here. In the last few years Cuidad Juarez has had over 10,000 murders. This place is right on the border. I don't want to see that enter this country, and I am sure any person with any brains would want that either.

Also, seeing what illegal immigration has done to the state of California, I can not see why anyone would wish that on this country. If you feel your country is so horrible, why would you leave for another country only the make that country as bad as the one you left?

And yes I do have a Mexican flag in my avatar. It's called being hispanic.

So if you are legal you won't be discriminated against? is that what you mean? you must be on drugs man, to say something so stupid.
Now, you say people should come here legally, that's call following the process, but how do you become legal, if there is not way, there is not process to do so?
What did illegals do to the state of california?
Where did you get the going to another country you would make as bad as the country you come from?
That flag of yours is not call been hispanic, that flag is call been mexican, as simple as that. I think someone needs some education around here.

HeavyMetalParkingLot
06-28-2010, 11:33 PM
honestly im really suspicious of you calling yourself a hispanic, in all likelyhood youre not. no self respecting Latino would ever call themselves HisPanic. Thats a white label. now, as far as employers go, how is it that youre saying that they are in the right? it called morals. How are you gonna blame the immigrant coming here out of necessity, and in most likelyhood hunger, rather than blame the greedy business owner who hires them because he wants a yacht?

Now as far as Tejas, seriously guy, do yourself a favor and read "Lies My Teacher Told Me", it will do you alot of good. You dont even have to go very far to find that the US version of what happened there is extremely revised. FACT.

Maybe i dont want all those chilangos over here, honestly i feel you on that one. but dont ever compromise your rights, for NO ONE or NO THING!!!! If your "hispanic":lol:, like you say you are, im sure you would not find it too pleasant to be pulled over, asked for papers, having to worry about being wrongfully deported, and just the inconvenience of sitting in a holding cell for any amount of time. Its wrong. Morally and Legally. Truth be told, there is no real way to distinguish a "Illegal" from a "legal". 'Cept for biometrics. Pulling em over and asking for papers is not done with the intent of finding their legal status(thats impossible at the moment), its done with the intention of demeaning and insulting nothing more, nothing less. That piece of paper you have, dont really mean a thing, i can get that on 26th street for about 300 bucks with a state id. so i ask you again whats the point if youre not using biometrics?

Why would I fear being deported? Seriously? I am a natural born citizen. If I am pulled over and asked for papers, what would I give them? I don't need a visa or green card since I have a drivers license and military id. If I am asked for id, the officer is doing his job (btw it is already federal law that immigrants carry proof they are here legally). If the officer goes to far and I feel "profiled" or whatnot, I have options such as hiring a lawyer.

As far as being Hispanic, 1) one side of my family is from Spain (Hispanic? check), 2) one side of my family is from Mexico which is a former part of the Spanish Empire (Hispanic? check). So therefore I fully fit two seperate definitions of the term Hispanic. Hispanic is not a race but a ethnicity.

Also please notice that at no point have I made an effort to be offensive to you (ask any of the long time members here, they will tell you I am being quite polite for me :-)). If you wish to continue this please note that there is no need to talk the way you have been.

l33tpirata13
06-29-2010, 12:34 AM
Why would I fear being deported? Seriously? I am a natural born citizen. If I am pulled over and asked for papers, what would I give them? I don't need a visa or green card since I have a drivers license and military id. If I am asked for id, the officer is doing his job (btw it is already federal law that immigrants carry proof they are here legally). If the officer goes to far and I feel "profiled" or whatnot, I have options such as hiring a lawyer.


you need to read up, if you "look" illegal, they can ask you for papers. that means if you look mexican, or honduran, or guatelmalan, you must produce papers at their will. be it green card, visa, birth certificate, ss #. It doesnt matter your legal status, all that matters is that your appearance gives doubt to your citizenship. Im a natural born citizen too but if a cop asks me for my papers i have to produce the same as juan the illegal. like i said there is no real way to distinguish that without biometrics. you seem to ignore that fact.

officers are doing there job by asking to produce proof of citizenship based on appearance? Sounds really really close to the Gestapo. Eerily close:shutup:.

so if you feel like your profiled youre gonna hire a lawyer? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkkk, good luck with that one. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

j2k4
06-29-2010, 02:24 AM
Okey-dokey.

You are pulled over for a "pick-em" offense...you are positive you have been profiled.

You provide your papers and are sent on your way, after perhaps ten minutes' inconvenience.

Let us say also that the most intense application of this law results in your being similarly detained a total of...three times over the next several years.

Y'know what?

I'm not too terribly bothered about that, but let's just issue you a state promissory for $100, which yields a reasonable hourly rate.

Face it; you're allowing yourself to be bought off in every other way, so honestly - what's your complaint?

l33tpirata13
06-29-2010, 03:04 AM
Okey-dokey.

You are pulled over for a "pick-em" offense...you are positive you have been profiled.

You provide your papers and are sent on your way, after perhaps ten minutes' inconvenience.

Let us say also that the most intense application of this law results in your being similarly detained a total of...three times over the next several years.

Y'know what?

I'm not too terribly bothered about that, but let's just issue you a state promissory for $100, which yields a reasonable hourly rate.

Face it; you're allowing yourself to be bought off in every other way, so honestly - what's your complaint?

first of all, im not illegal so take that load elsewhere. i was born here, and ALL my family got here the right way, by standing in line. Nothing has EVER been given to me at all, so i dont owe you anything. On the contrary, you should be shinin' my Shoes.

i dont know where you come from. Really, im not trying to be insulting:P. But, youre dreaming if you think anything is going to last 10mins with the cops. Lets say i dont have my id with me at the time because i decide to run to the store really quick and i get stopped, what THEN? you really think its going to last 10 mins? Ive been takin in without an id and i know it takes at the very least 8hrs cuz you have to be fingerprinted. And thats besides the point, shouldnt have to be subjected to any of it. It my Constitutional right. So you think 100 dollars is enough to buy me off huh? Ill tell you what....If you take 100 dollars to point a police surveillance camera at your home 24/7, ill bring papers on my next trip to Phoenix. Without complaint. Lets see you trade some freedom for safety:yup::yup::yup:.

Oh, and one more thing....Getting pulled over only 3 times over the next SEVERAL years???? Holy crap, we got a joker in the house!!!! Dude, ive been pulled over more than that in one month. Simply because i had to drive home from downtown at about 3 in the morning.

oh wait, i forget one more thing.....why are you ignoring the fact that asking for papers is not going to insure ANYTHING? Again the only way to do this is BIOMETRICS...Anything else i could buy for 300 bucks at a strip mall in the hood. So whats your arguement there?

clocker
06-29-2010, 03:36 AM
Okey-dokey.

You are pulled over for a "pick-em" offense...you are positive you have been profiled.

You provide your papers and are sent on your way, after perhaps ten minutes' inconvenience.

Let us say also that the most intense application of this law results in your being similarly detained a total of...three times over the next several years.

Y'know what?

I'm not too terribly bothered about that, but let's just issue you a state promissory for $100, which yields a reasonable hourly rate.

Face it; you're allowing yourself to be bought off in every other way, so honestly - what's your complaint?
It would be interesting to see the reaction if white gun owners were subjected to similar profiling.
Think they'd be so complacent/compliant/cheerful- and willing to be bought off for a C-note- if they were randomly stopped and asked to prove their legality?

l33tpirata13
06-29-2010, 03:59 AM
It would be interesting to see the reaction if white gun owners were subjected to similar profiling.
Think they'd be so complacent/compliant/cheerful- and willing to be bought off for a C-note- if they were randomly stopped and asked to prove their legality?

Thats exactly what i was thinking. Let us try to take ANYTHING away from a southern religious person. they start crying and quoting John Adams. And notice how i didnt say southern white baptists, cuz that would be too broad of a generalization.

Skiz
06-29-2010, 06:54 PM
you need to read up, if you "look" illegal, they can ask you for papers. that means if you look mexican, or honduran, or guatelmalan, you must produce papers at their will. be it green card, visa, birth certificate, ss #. It doesnt matter your legal status, all that matters is that your appearance gives doubt to your citizenship. Im a natural born citizen too but if a cop asks me for my papers i have to produce the same as juan the illegal. like i said there is no real way to distinguish that without biometrics. you seem to ignore that fact.

officers are doing there job by asking to produce proof of citizenship based on appearance? Sounds really really close to the Gestapo. Eerily close:shutup:.

so if you feel like your profiled youre gonna hire a lawyer? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkkk, good luck with that one. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Wrong...again.

It strictly prohibits state and local officials from "solely considering race, color or national origin" while enforcing the law. The law is also to be "implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens."

The AZ bill follows the federal immigration law almost exactly. One that has been on the books since 1965 and yet I've never seen you take exception to it once.


Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

Enforcement

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

Sounds to me like AZ is doing exactly what the fed law is enabling them to do.

l33tpirata13
06-29-2010, 07:33 PM
OK WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP IGNORING THAT IMPLEMENTING THIS LAW WILL NOT INSURE THAT ANYONE IS LEGAL OR OTHERWISE!!!IF ITS NOT BIOMETRICS THEN ITS NOT REAL!!!

Again, i can get you a perfect replica and id RIGHT NOW. Produced on request. 300 dollars and miguel is michael strawmanski.

If it was just a immigration issue then AZ wouldnt be targeting ethnic studies, and the rights of the natural born. Again, its very thinly veiled KKK running the show. This is a FACT. Do you really wanna take that side?

Keep ignoring whats convenient for you to ignore. Ill just keep being right. You have yet to prove me wrong by any means.

oh and one more thing, its a federal law so that the ICE can enforce it. Believe me i KNOW. State powers and Federal powers are not interchangeable. In that case all the states would be printing money. WRONG YET AGAIN SKIZ!!!! you make it too too easy.

Skiz
06-29-2010, 07:36 PM
OK WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP IGNORING THAT IMPLEMENTING THIS LAW WILL NOT INSURE THAT ANYONE IS LEGAL OR OTHERWISE!!!IF ITS NOT BIOMETRICS THEN ITS NOT REAL!!!

Again, i can get you a perfect replica and id RIGHT NOW. Produced on request. 300 dollars and miguel is michael strawmanski.

If it was just a immigration issue then AZ wouldnt be targeting ethnic studies, and the rights of the natural born. Again, its very thinly veiled KKK running the show. This is a FACT. Do you really wanna take that side?

Keep ignoring whats convenient for you to ignore. Ill just keep being right. You have yet to prove me wrong by any means.

oh and one more thing, its a federal law so that the ICE can enforce it. Believe me i KNOW. State powers and Federal powers are not interchangeable. In that case all the states would be printing money. WRONG YET AGAIN SKIZ!!!! you make it too too easy.

:blink:

l33tpirata13
06-29-2010, 09:13 PM
youre confused?! i know its too much for you to take in all at once. its ok take it step by step. :console:

and once again ignore the fact by puttin another stupid emoticon. please do.

Hey, off topic, but did you hear that The Supreme Court Overturned Chicago's gun Ban? I can get a gun now and protect my rights like a redneck:gunsmilie

clocker
06-29-2010, 09:38 PM
Hey, off topic, but did you hear that The Supreme Court Overturned Chicago's gun Ban? I can get a gun now and protect my rights like a redneck:gunsmilie
That is off-topic.
Gun "rights" advocates are a whole 'nother steaming pile of crazy...

l33tpirata13
06-29-2010, 10:43 PM
That is off-topic.
Gun "rights" advocates are a whole 'nother steaming pile of crazy...

Amen to that brother...

Its kinda messed up given that just this last weekend 26 people got shot. Im really surprised only 3 died, it usually about 10 homocides a weekend. (Not counting holiday weekends and full moons.) Oh well, time to get a gun eh? Cuz, lord knows you dont wanna bring a knife to a gun fight. :noes:

HeavyMetalParkingLot
06-29-2010, 10:55 PM
Why do some groups always resort to claiming its supporters are racist kkk members when it is obvious they do not know about that which they speak?

Pssssst, btw, biometrics is not failsafe, look into it.

l33tpirata13
06-30-2010, 12:06 AM
Why do some groups always resort to claiming its supporters are racist kkk members when it is obvious they do not know about that which they speak?
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/ReadyandRussell.jpg
on your right is P.O.S. AZ Immigration Law Author Russell Pearce, On your left Fat P.O.S. Neo-Nazi T.J. Ready.

Oh, and that picture isnt all of it by a longshot. He was caught forwarding thousands among thousands of emails to his supporters asking them to go Neo Nazi Alliance meetings.
If you still wanna go on a ethnic cleaning crusade go ahead. at least now you know whos side your on.


Pssssst, btw, biometrics is not failsafe, look into it.

psssst, btw, how does that help your arguement? Your logic befuddles me.

why do people even bother when its obvious they dont know nothing of which they speak?

megabyteme
06-30-2010, 12:28 AM
Hey, off topic, but did you hear that The Supreme Court Overturned Chicago's gun Ban? I can get a gun now and protect my rights like a redneck:gunsmilie
That is off-topic.
Gun "rights" advocates are a whole 'nother steaming pile of crazy...

So, I take it I'm the only one here who wants armed illegals? :unsure:



Just stirring up an already sensitive topic. :naughty:

clocker
06-30-2010, 01:14 AM
So, I take it I'm the only one here who wants armed illegals? :unsure:


Armed illegals would be preferable to restricting Joe Jim Bob's "right" to hunt deer with an Uzi or strap on his Colt for a trip into Starbucks.
Priorities, you see.

l33tpirata13
06-30-2010, 01:52 AM
Pssssst, btw, biometrics is not failsafe, look into it.

Damn, your right.......
9VkBgOVQkQM

megabyteme
06-30-2010, 06:31 AM
So, I take it I'm the only one here who wants armed illegals? :unsure:


Armed illegals would be preferable to restricting Joe Jim Bob's "right" to hunt deer with an Uzi or strap on his Colt for a trip into Starbucks.
Priorities, you see.


You never know when one of 'em Starbucks babes is gonna get uppity about her Prius, or start jabberin' about oil in the Gulf. A man has got to be able to protect himself, you know...:fear:

clocker
06-30-2010, 12:10 PM
Well, it goes without saying that Prius owners deserve a bullet and aren't Starbucks workers called "baristas""?
Sounds Mexican to me.
Furthermore, since John McCain revealed that Phoenix had the second highest kidnapping rate (at least in his world), the need for weaponry has become more obvious.

We're under siege, people!
The fact that salsa has supplanted ketchup as America's favorite condiment says it all!

megabyteme
06-30-2010, 06:08 PM
Well, it goes without saying that Prius owners deserve a bullet and aren't Starbucks workers called "baristas""?
Sounds Mexican to me.
Furthermore, since John McCain revealed that Phoenix had the second highest kidnapping rate (at least in his world), the need for weaponry has become more obvious.

We're under siege, people!
The fact that salsa has supplanted ketchup as America's favorite condiment says it all!

:O I've got salsa in my fridge...I feel like a Manchurian candidate, or something. :( That explains all of the Taco Bells sprouting (well, been here for years) around me.

The prophetic movie Judge Dredd was right when it said, "It's ALL Taco Bells now"... :fear2:

clocker
06-30-2010, 07:04 PM
Although it's tempting to attribute the proliferation of Taco Bell to illegal immigrants, it would be a mistake.

Taco Bell is another terrifying matter altogether.
Think Soylent Green with more seasoning.

Oddly, this also explains the Kardashian sisters.

megabyteme
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Although it's tempting to attribute the proliferation of Taco Bell to illegal immigrants, it would be a mistake.

Taco Bell is another terrifying matter altogether.
Think Soylent Green with more seasoning.

Oddly, this also explains the Kardashian sisters.

I just figured it was a fiendish Mexican plot to overthrow the country. First it's salsa, then millions of Taco Bells, then all of a repentino, we're speaking Espanol and la celebración de cinco de mayo.

Luckily, the infiltration of the Kardashians backfired, or they would have already won.


...or, maybe this whole fear of Mexican immigration is completely overblown and sill. :idunno:

Skiz
06-30-2010, 10:11 PM
Please stay on topic guys.

l33tpirata13
07-01-2010, 12:01 AM
Think Soylent Green with more seasoning.


MMMM, Soylent Green.........

Oh and i know the Kardashian Sisters are Latino-looking fine and all, but they arent Latino at all. They are Armenian. Or was the joke WAY over my head?

megabyteme
07-01-2010, 12:18 AM
Think Soylent Green with more seasoning.


MMMM, Soylent Green.........

Oh and i know the Kardashian Sisters are Latino-looking fine and all, but they arent Latino at all. They are Armenian. Or was the joke WAY over my head?

In the context of this discussion (not being able to tell the differences between legal and illegal Mexicans), it is a parody that "ALL people resembling, or ,having ties to Taco Bell are invading. They have gotten us to accept their salsas, corn chips, and hot Latino women.

I am playing with thread in a "alternate universe" style than continuing to try to take this too seriously.

devilsadvocate
07-01-2010, 12:23 AM
. Or was the joke WAY over my head?
If you think Taco bell is Mexican, fortune cookies are Chinese and french fries are French the answer is probably yes.

devilsadvocate
07-01-2010, 01:00 AM
I honestly feel that there needs to be a better way that migrant workers can come here legally such as a worker program where employers sponsor workers and they get official visas. If they know they will be allowed back to work chances are they will return home instead of disappearing, just a theory.

The law isn't a mirror image of the federal law despite having many similarities.

My concern is the same as others have already said, that it will lead to racial profiling. One doesn't even have to have committed an arrestable offense to be challenged, breaking a local ordinance like not having your grass cut can lead to a challenge.

I'm guessing most police officers will behave righteously, it's the others that will abuse it. I vaguely remember how coloreds were treated by southern sheriffs, I can see how Latin looking folk WILL suffer harassment.

devilsadvocate
07-01-2010, 01:04 AM
SKIZ

What's your view on the bit where citizens can sue law enforcement agencies as well as other agencies if they feel they are not applying the law with gusto? I'm wondering if doctors in emergency rooms will need a new line of liability insurance. What about faith groups that run shelters or food kitchens?

l33tpirata13
07-01-2010, 02:41 AM
In the context of this discussion (not being able to tell the differences between legal and illegal Mexicans), it is a parody that "ALL people resembling, or ,having ties to Taco Bell are invading. They have gotten us to accept their salsas, corn chips, and hot Latino women.
I am playing with thread in a "alternate universe" style than continuing to try to take this too seriously.

OOOOh, yeah, i admit i can be a little ssssssssssssssslow at times. i guess im just not familiar with all this new hip hop talk the kids are using these days.

devilsadvocate
07-01-2010, 07:44 PM
I do wonder if sanity has left this country.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/06/30/20100630arizona-illegal-immigrant-utility-service.html#ixzz0sKnAF3r3

Barry Wong, a Republican candidate for the Arizona Corporation Commission, told The Arizona Republic on Tuesday that, if elected, he would require regulated utilities to check the immigration status of customers,

l33tpirata13
07-01-2010, 08:47 PM
Yeah, thats political posturing at its finest. What those idiots dont realize is that our numbers are not really "represented" correctly. They go by the census, and, to be honest with you, i dont know many mexicans, or all latinos for that matter, that participated. There is a real negative stigma attached to giving the Government your Info for fear of political backlash.

I know for a fact that there are lot of organizations in AZ trying to sign up latinos to vote AS WE SPEAK. They all report that its actually going pretty well, although it did start off really really slow when all this began. The bolder AZ republicans get with their undeniably racist, bigoted proposals, the more latinos grow enough courage to vote.

j2k4
07-02-2010, 08:22 PM
Y'know what is utterly fucking hilarious - when a conservative says what he means, and liberals have to interpret it for each other in the form of talking points, which tactic is further encumbered by it's pure and enduring (downright incestuous!) schmooze-fest with the major media...

You do realize the pure political value of the ability to construct phraseologies such as this, don't you?

j2k4
07-02-2010, 08:49 PM
Yeah, thats political posturing at its finest. What those idiots dont realize is that our numbers are not really "represented" correctly. They go by the census, and, to be honest with you, i dont know many mexicans, or all latinos for that matter, that participated. There is a real negative stigma attached to giving the Government your Info for fear of political backlash.

I know for a fact that there are lot of organizations in AZ trying to sign up latinos to vote AS WE SPEAK. They all report that its actually going pretty well, although it did start off really really slow when all this began. The bolder AZ republicans get with their undeniably racist, bigoted proposals, the more latinos grow enough courage to vote...

...which is fine, as long as they can be counted on to vote for Socialist candidates and causes-

So, here's how it works:

The administration has a firm estimate/idea of how many people are in the country.

They set about with a census crew, and fix a favorable formula to calculate the numbers of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, who can be "counted on" to avoid official notice by the census-takers.

After the census is, um, deemed 'complete', the "absolutely undeniable" lack of proper representation of Latinos will in high-dudgeon be noted by the left-punditry, whereupon the magic "formula" will be brought to bear upon the census numbers in order to arrive at the democrats' new electoral "fudge-factor".

The voters required to fill whatever quota are provided by the "officially" defunct ACORN and it's progeny.

This stuff isn't difficult to figure out, you know.

l33tpirata13
07-02-2010, 09:49 PM
Youre talking in terms of left and right. This isnt a left or right issue. Its a human rights issue. Get your mindset right. and for the record you speak in talking points. Sarah Palin comes to mind. Socialist, AcoRN, Liberal Media, blah blah blah.

oh, and i know what i know because my family lives there. The people that canvass say that it really gets em down when they SEE for themselves that WHITE Conservative Upper Middle Class Types Just Slam the doors in their faces and tell em to leave "THEIR" Country. Some really ignorant shit. They also start Ranting at them and start calling them ACORN and they arent. These canvassers are small groups organized in most part by the catholic church.

j2k4
07-02-2010, 10:48 PM
Youre talking in terms of left and right. This isnt a left or right issue. Its a human rights issue. Get your mindset right. and for the record you speak in talking points.

And while you are calling it a human rights issue, it is moreover a common-sense issue.

There isn't enough ink in cyberspace to list the reasons this is true, but I'll give you a few:

No situation or condition or circumstance can justify a policy of non-documentation, no matter how it is constructed.

Does the process need to be streamlined?

Without a doubt.

Do Mexican immigrants and their spokes-cohort need to, at long last, acknowledge the facts, rather than scream racism/discrimination before-the-fact?

Yes, I think they do; the citizens of Arizona surely do, and anyone with a brain ought to agree.

Do these immigrants have any basis whatsoever for their possessive attitude over certain sections of certified United States geography?

No fucking way.

Hitler started a war with that attitude when he moved into the Sudetenland unbidden but fortified by the the idea he and Germany were entitled.

You wanna come in like you own the place?

The only choices should be to play by the rules (our rules, not yours) or everybody picks up their weapons.

History teaches this, and undeniably, too.

As to your last, I am speaking in talking points just now because I am speaking to you, in your language.


oh, and i know what i know because my family lives there. The people that canvass say that it really gets em down when they SEE for themselves that WHITE Conservative Upper Middle Class Types Just Slam the doors in their faces and tell em to leave "THEIR" Country. Some really ignorant shit. They also start Ranting at them and start calling them ACORN and they arent. They are small groups organized in most part by the catholic church.

Then let them be true to naught but their religious views, and vote accordingly.

Btw-

For what reasons are substantial numbers of Latinos engaged in canvassing activities?

Are they in charge of the census?

The people you refer to in your post, I mean - who are they working for?

devilsadvocate
07-03-2010, 01:52 AM
Hitler started a war with that attitude when he moved into the Sudetenland unbidden but fortified by the the idea he and Germany were entitled.

You wanna come in like you own the place?

The only choices should be to play by the rules (our rules, not yours) or everybody picks up their weapons.

History teaches this, and undeniably, too.

Funny that you chose Hitler as your example when you could stay local and look at how the country was taken from the native Americans.

clocker
07-03-2010, 02:55 AM
This stuff isn't difficult to figure out, you know.
Especially if you're a right wing conspiracy nut.

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 02:59 AM
And while you are calling it a human rights issue, it is moreover a common-sense issue.

There isn't enough ink in cyberspace to list the reasons this is true, but I'll give you a few:

No situation or condition or circumstance can justify a policy of non-documentation, no matter how it is constructed.

Does the process need to be streamlined?

Without a doubt.

Do Mexican immigrants and their spokes-cohort need to, at long last, acknowledge the facts, rather than scream racism/discrimination before-the-fact?

Yes, I think they do; the citizens of Arizona surely do, and anyone with a brain ought to agree.

Do these immigrants have any basis whatsoever for their possessive attitude over certain sections of certified United States geography?

No fucking way.

Hitler started a war with that attitude when he moved into the Sudetenland unbidden but fortified by the the idea he and Germany were entitled.

You wanna come in like you own the place?

The only choices should be to play by the rules (our rules, not yours) or everybody picks up their weapons.

History teaches this, and undeniably, too.

As to your last, I am speaking in talking points just now because I am speaking to you, in your language.


oh, and i know what i know because my family lives there. The people that canvass say that it really gets em down when they SEE for themselves that WHITE Conservative Upper Middle Class Types Just Slam the doors in their faces and tell em to leave "THEIR" Country. Some really ignorant shit. They also start Ranting at them and start calling them ACORN and they arent. They are small groups organized in most part by the catholic church.

Then let them be true to naught but their religious views, and vote accordingly.

Btw-

For what reasons are substantial numbers of Latinos engaged in canvassing activities?

Are they in charge of the census?

The people you refer to in your post, I mean - who are they working for?

everything you said is so racist and easy to disassemble. its way too easy for me to go after. YOU WANNA pretend like you have some sort of right i dont. and thats bullshit. its mine as it is yours. i was born here. chicagoan. i dont owe you jack. ANd you dont own anything. This land is NOT yours, Which is exactly was i was talking about. Whites like you have this chip on their shoulder like they own something and because they say so, it goes. they are delusional. Do everyone a favor and read something thats not written by limbaugh or mental case glenn beck.

AND again you wanna pussyfoot around the fact that passing this retarded Act of Racial Purification wont do a damn thing. BEfore you go any further with your racist ranting, explain to me how, a citizen, like myself, will be better for showing papers. Again, taking in that i can get a birth certificate at a strip mall. If your not going to use biometrics, youre just being irrational. You WERE JUST TALKING TO ME LIKE IM TAKING "YOuR" LAND. what sense of entitlement you have. . I WAS BORN HERE!!!!! How ignorant does one have to be? You wanna start calling me SPIC and WETBACK too?

See what i mean? Already you start calling a Citizen, natural born, 2nd gen. an ILLEGAL and feel like youre entitled to more rights. can u Imagine once they start enforcing? Play by "OUR" rules? Who's that the KKK? Really who are you referring to when you say OUR? REally guy you wanna start picking up guns? Let me guess your watching nascar and drinking DrPepper straight out the 2liter right now?

Why are we canvassing? Why is the church involved? use your common sense. why do you think? the census is over and no one is getting paid. Everyone is a volunteer.

Take a look at the FACTS before you start spewing out HITLER's name. The only ones acting like NAZI's are the ones trying to pass this law. and the law outlawing ethic studies, and revoking the natural born rights given by the COnstitution. I wonder what mental loops one has to go through to overlook that. Did you not see the picture i posted up of the author of this thing with the NEO NAZI? or do i need to post it again?

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 03:10 AM
There isn't enough ink in cyberspace to list the reasons this is true, but I'll give you a few:


Translation: I dont have many rational thoughts to substantiate anything i say, But ill try and give you some sort of reason.:wank:

j2k4
07-03-2010, 01:27 PM
everything you said is so racist and easy to disassemble. its way too easy for me to go after. YOU WANNA pretend like you have some sort of right i dont. and thats bullshit. its mine as it is yours. i was born here. chicagoan. i dont owe you jack. ANd you dont own anything. This land is NOT yours, Which is exactly was i was talking about. Whites like you have this chip on their shoulder like they own something and because they say so, it goes. they are delusional. Do everyone a favor and read something thats not written by limbaugh or mental case glenn beck.

I didn't call you an illegal, but you seem to be advocating (insofar as it can be discerned) amnesty for illegals, or you fail to acknowledge that there are illegals, or asserting that an undocumented Mexican crossing the border cannot be considered illegal, or that Mexicans, illegal or otherwise, have some sort of extraordinary claim to American soil.

If you don't mean any of that, I would be very happy to see you clarify your views, and try to express any other than that I am racist.

By the way:

American land belongs to Americans, no matter their origins; if you are legal, then congratulations, and for the record, I am talking specifically about ILLEGAL, UNDOCUMENTED, OR CRIMINAL IMMIGRANTS, so figure out what arguments you want to press, and make sure they will stick, huh?


AND again you wanna pussyfoot around the fact that passing this retarded Act of Racial Purification wont do a damn thing. BEfore you go any further with your racist ranting, explain to me how, a citizen, like myself, will be better for showing papers. Again, taking in that i can get a birth certificate at a strip mall. If your not going to use biometrics, youre just being irrational. You WERE JUST TALKING TO ME LIKE IM TAKING "YOuR" LAND. what sense of entitlement you have. . I WAS BORN HERE!!!!! How ignorant does one have to be? You wanna start calling me SPIC and WETBACK too?

When you say, "this retarded Act of Racial Purification", to what are you referring?

If it's what is going on in Arizona, last I checked Chicago was in Illinois, so you must be objecting on someone else's behalf, right?

Can you imagine the evolution in immigration policy that would have to occur in order for you to suffer related profiling that far north?

I realize you have an empathy for your brethren south of the border (as have I, though I don't expect you to believe that), but, if you insist that you are 'as American' as I am, why can't you see the need for orderly immigration and documentation?

As to your fears about profiling, if you think the objective is to sight out enemies by looking in the opposite direction, can I ask you whether, when you walk into a fast-food place, do you expect to receive a hamburger if you point at the chicken sandwich?

If your skin is brown, you may suffer occasional unwanted attention from the laws.

If you are a woman, you have tits and guys will stare.

Those are just the facts, sorry - if you really object, I suggest you develop a serious dislike of the semitic-types who are responsible for your dilemma.

Also - if you ever catch me calling you a "spic" or a "wetback", I will follow by furnishing you my address, a gun, and a bus ticket so you can find me and kill me.


See what i mean? Already you start calling a Citizen, natural born, 2nd gen. an ILLEGAL and feel like youre entitled to more rights. can u Imagine once they start enforcing? Play by "OUR" rules? Who's that the KKK? Really who are you referring to when you say OUR? REally guy you wanna start picking up guns? Let me guess your watching nascar and drinking DrPepper straight out the 2liter right now?

Again, I never called you an illegal; any sane reading of my post reveals my differing with the views you have expressed, not your skin color, about which I have no knowledge whatsoever.

Oh, and I hate NASCAR and Dr. Pepper; indeed, I don't drink pop at all.


Why are we canvassing? Why is the church involved? use your common sense. why do you think? the census is over and no one is getting paid. Everyone is a volunteer.

I am using common sense, and, having re-read that paragraph, I see no reference to "church" involvement.

The blurb above doesn't help...they are canvassing because the census is over? Because they are not getting paid?

What?


Take a look at the FACTS before you start spewing out HITLER's name. The only ones acting like NAZI's are the ones trying to pass this law. and the law outlawing ethic studies, and revoking the natural born rights given by the COnstitution. I wonder what mental loops one has to go through to overlook that. Did you not see the picture i posted up of the author of this thing with the NEO NAZI? or do i need to post it again?

According to the thread title, this is about the Arizona immigration law, which is a carbon-copy of existing (but unenforced) federal law.

What of that?

As to the Hitler reference, I reserve the same rhetorical rights as you and your fellow liberals.

I am an American as well.

j2k4
07-03-2010, 01:29 PM
This stuff isn't difficult to figure out, you know.
Especially if you're a right wing conspiracy nut.

C'mon, that's taking the easy way out, you lily-white liberal.

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 03:39 PM
I didn't call you an illegal, but you seem to be advocating (insofar as it can be discerned) amnesty for illegals, or you fail to acknowledge that there are illegals, or asserting that an undocumented Mexican crossing the border cannot be considered illegal, or that Mexicans, illegal or otherwise, have some sort of extraordinary claim to American soil.
You can try and backpedal all you want. You were throwing me in the same boat. Which is exactly my point. Thanks.
You dont know my stance? Do a little reading that doesnt involve ann coulter. in particular this thread.


When you say, "this retarded Act of Racial Purification", to what are you referring?
Seriously?
To all the laws being directed at latinos. I have to say it over and over again because you CHOOSE to ignore it conveniently. Ending ethnic studies--aimed at latinos. ending natural born citizenship--aimed at latinos. Paper please law--aimed at latinos. The no papers no utilities ACT--aimed at latinos. You wanna pretend like im generalizing when i say its kkk running the show. IT LITERALLY IS!!!!!! White power at its finest (which is pretty low).
IGNORE THE FACT that this law is so fucking stupid....its impossible to enforce. what are you enforcing? Its all done to degrade latinos.
Picture this. i get pulled over. I DO HAVE MY PAPERS, and the asshole cop thinks they are fake? What then? How can i prove they are real if we arent using biometrics? YOU CANT!!! So again, WHATS THE POINT!!!! and address it!!!!! dont ignore it conveniently as you like.


Can you imagine the evolution in immigration policy that would have to occur in order for you to suffer related profiling that far north?
YEAH i can. You were calling me illegal and you didnt even have enough sense to read my prior posts on the issue. You just threw us all in the SAME TRAIN. YOU HAD NO PROBLEM MAKING THE JUMP!!!!!!!!!! So you think i should trust cops being ETHICAL!!!! i wanna puke, laugh, and shit at the same time even using cops and ethical in the same sentence. i mean really look at what you did on your Rant....YOUre wrong and you dont even know it. i think thats called ignorant. sorry u just are.


I realize you have an empathy for your brethren south of the border (as have I, though I don't expect you to believe that), but, if you insist that you are 'as American' as I am, why can't you see the need for orderly immigration and documentation?
Really, if youre not gonna even have the common decency to read the thread, why post your views and spew your assumptions?


If your skin is brown, you may suffer occasional unwanted attention from the laws.
If you are a woman, you have tits and guys will stare.
Gee, one is due to sexual nature and the other to white paranoid oppression. Can you really not tell the difference? disturbing really.......:dabs:


Also - if you ever catch me calling you a "spic" or a "wetback", I will follow by furnishing you my address, a gun, and a bus ticket so you can find me and kill me.
you should pm me your address. It amazes me how oblivious you are to your own racist tendencies. What you just said is the equivalent of saying youre not racist because u got a black friend. just words. you dont really feel that way.


I am using common sense, and, having re-read that paragraph, I see no reference to "church" involvement.
The blurb above doesn't help...they are canvassing because the census is over? Because they are not getting paid?
really i dont wanna tell you shit, you were already talking about taking up arms. like they need any heat from people like you. Just know this, we are mobilizing.


According to the thread title, this is about the Arizona immigration law, which is a carbon-copy of existing (but unenforced) federal law.
What of that?
NO its not, and... The fed reserves powers that the states cannot. If it were that easy then whichever state needed cash would start printing it for themselves. Its called a democracy and its based on checks and balances. Have you ever heard of the "Supremecy Clause"?

The provision contemplates a circumscribed role for state and local officials, to be sure, but the Arizona law authorizes a much broader role. Particularly: The Arizona law authorizes arrest without a showing of a prior felony, the requirement under (a)(2), above. Here's the provision from SB 1070:
E. A law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States.
An alien's unauthorized presence in the United States is just such an offense under 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1227. Arizona's law is thus in conflict with the federal law and likely violates the Supremacy Clause under conflict preemption.

NEXT?

j2k4
07-03-2010, 04:24 PM
You claim I am throwing you into the boat with illegals?

Tell me how, precisely and succinctly, leaving out the chatter about racism.

Be a model of brevity, but demonstrate your proofs, or fuck off.


The Arizona act proper is a very accurate echo of existing federal law.

Whatever you may imagine add-on or adjunct laws coming from elsewhere to be, I think (according to prevailing paranoias about conspiracies, or rather the accusation of same) I should ask you to parse "paper please", or "no papers, no utilities ACT(!)", or anything else for direct reference to anyone of Latino origin.

You may report back here when you have evidence-in-hand.

Actual evidence, rather than a feeling.

Picture this:

An ignorant cop pulls you over, and treats your papers as 'suspicious'.

He formalizes a complaint, you counter-sue, own his ass in court, and collect damages.

Welcome to my world.

As to the rest of this thread, nothing exists here I am not aware of, from other auspices.

There is nothing new under this particular sun.

Or do you think FST is the only place this is being discussed...

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 04:58 PM
You claim I am throwing you into the boat with illegals?
Tell me how, precisely and succinctly, leaving out the chatter about racism.
read your OWN posts. im tired of repeating myself to one of rush's lapdogs.


Be a model of brevity, but demonstrate your proofs, or fuck off.

Take youre own advise, or fuck off.


The Arizona act proper is a very accurate echo of existing federal law.

you said earlier it was a CARbon copy. Make up your mind. You just keep degrading yourself. really theres no point in discussing anything with you. i feel grimey just replying you.


Whatever you may imagine add-on or adjunct laws coming from elsewhere to be, I think (according to prevailing paranoias about conspiracies, or rather the accusation of same) I should ask you to parse "paper please", or "no papers, no utilities ACT(!)", or anything else for direct reference to anyone of Latino origin.
You may report back here when you have evidence-in-hand.
Actual evidence, rather than a feeling.
pick up a newspaper might do you some good. im not going to educate you. just keep being you for all i care. youre just an ant to what this is. you obviously dont have the capacity to think beyond your white picket fence.



Picture this:
An ignorant cop pulls you over, and treats your papers as 'suspicious'.
He formalizes a complaint, you counter-sue, own his ass in court, and collect damages.
Welcome to my world.

youre sick if you think i want to be detained in any capacity for any amount of time. youre money isnt good enough. Take police to court? youre just silly and a waste of my time. grow some common sense and some decency while youre at it.

and again you refer to it as YOUR WORLD. White entitlement.

so here, how about we start progressing on this thread? whats your argument to not being able to prove anyone is an illegal without biometrics? if you cant simply do that, fuck off.

j2k4
07-03-2010, 05:13 PM
read your OWN posts. im tired of repeating myself to one of rush's lapdogs.


Be a model of brevity, but demonstrate your proofs, or fuck off.

Take youre own advise, or fuck off.


The Arizona act proper is a very accurate echo of existing federal law.

you said earlier it was a CARbon copy. Make up your mind. You just keep degrading yourself. really theres no point in discussing anything with you. i feel grimey just replying you.


Whatever you may imagine add-on or adjunct laws coming from elsewhere to be, I think (according to prevailing paranoias about conspiracies, or rather the accusation of same) I should ask you to parse "paper please", or "no papers, no utilities ACT(!)", or anything else for direct reference to anyone of Latino origin.
You may report back here when you have evidence-in-hand.
Actual evidence, rather than a feeling.
pick up a newspaper might do you some good. im not going to educate you. just keep being you for all i care. youre just an ant to what this is. you obviously dont have the capacity to think beyond your white picket fence.



Picture this:
An ignorant cop pulls you over, and treats your papers as 'suspicious'.
He formalizes a complaint, you counter-sue, own his ass in court, and collect damages.
Welcome to my world.

youre sick if you think i want to be detained in any capacity for any amount of time. youre money isnt good enough. Take police to court? youre just silly and a waste of my time. grow some common sense and some decency while youre at it.

and again you refer to it as YOUR WORLD. White entitlement.

so here, how about we start progressing on this thread? whats your argument to not being able to prove anyone is an illegal without biometrics? if you cant simply do that, fuck off.

You really don't like to debate, do you.

Let's just try a little Q & A, then:

Do you think the people (Mexicans, if you will) who cross the southern border of the United States so that they might find a more hospitable situation here, should be recorded upon crossing so as to know precisely whom is in the country?

In other words, should the entry of people (non-citizens) into this country be formally noted.

Yes or no.

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 05:17 PM
no i am debating. im providing points. youre just spewing white anger. Why dont you try answering my simple question? is it that hard? pure ignorance i tell ya.

and no one is debating whether or not illegals should be coming over. its a question of how whites are using it as an excuse to undermine my rights. youre lost and hopeless.

stop being such a bigot and read the thread before you start spewing your latest glenn beck talking point. u have all the answers you need right under your nose but you need me to bring em to you? read!!!!

And from now on if you wanna ignore my questions, ill just ignore yours. youre WHOLE ARGUMENT falls apart with one word--BIOMETRICS!!!!!

j2k4
07-03-2010, 05:32 PM
Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?

If I somehow draw attention to myself, that's what happens to me, so (now, here's the tricky part where you have to think) is there something special about you that you feel should render you immune to the pitfalls we all face?

Now it's your turn.

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 05:42 PM
Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?

If I somehow draw attention to myself, that's what happens to me, so (now, here's the tricky part where you have to think) is there something special about you that you feel should render you immune to the pitfalls we all face?

Now it's your turn.

all my family is there. ive lived there periodically and am in the process of moving there as soon as summers over.

so by that logic. youre white, 99% of all serial killers are white, you by default look like a serial killer. lets just put you in a cop car every opportunity we can just to make sure youre not a serial killer. after all, theyre all white!!!! its not that far of a jump.

ANd YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED ANYTHING. YOU SEEM MORE LIKE A DANCING FAIRY!!!!! BIOMETICS!!! i dont even know why im arguing with you. youre kind of mindset will go down in history as one of the most delusional and furthest from reality. white hysteria is a sick phenomena. makes people do and say extremely stupid things.......

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?


how the fuck is that an answer to my question? youre just being a douche. really.

j2k4
07-03-2010, 06:08 PM
Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?

If I somehow draw attention to myself, that's what happens to me, so (now, here's the tricky part where you have to think) is there something special about you that you feel should render you immune to the pitfalls we all face?

Now it's your turn.

all my family is there. ive lived there periodically and am in the process of moving there as soon as summers over.

so by that logic. youre white, 99% of all serial killers are white, you by default look like a serial killer. lets just put you in a cop car every opportunity we can just to make sure youre not a serial killer. after all, theyre all white!!!! its not that far of a jump.

ANd YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED ANYTHING. YOU SEEM MORE LIKE A DANCING FAIRY!!!!! BIOMETICS!!! i dont even know why im arguing with you. youre kind of mindset will go down in history as one of the most delusional and furthest from reality. white hysteria is a sick phenomena. makes people do and say extremely stupid things.......

So by your logic, I have a gripe every time we have a serial killer, and biometrics...is now a question?

Btw-

Capitalized text is a prime example of hysteria.

Chill, dude.

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 07:59 PM
all my family is there. ive lived there periodically and am in the process of moving there as soon as summers over.

so by that logic. youre white, 99% of all serial killers are white, you by default look like a serial killer. lets just put you in a cop car every opportunity we can just to make sure youre not a serial killer. after all, theyre all white!!!! its not that far of a jump.

ANd YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED ANYTHING. YOU SEEM MORE LIKE A DANCING FAIRY!!!!! BIOMETICS!!! i dont even know why im arguing with you. youre kind of mindset will go down in history as one of the most delusional and furthest from reality. white hysteria is a sick phenomena. makes people do and say extremely stupid things.......

So by your logic, I have a gripe every time we have a serial killer, and biometrics...is now a question?

Btw-

Capitalized text is a prime example of hysteria.

Chill, dude.

youre a prime example of a right wing lunatic.

im not the one posing answers as questions and pretending they did their homework. pure republican retard games. play em.

you do know there is no real way to prove citizenship right? not unless you use biometrics. the rest is fodder for you to eat.

j2k4
07-03-2010, 08:19 PM
you do know there is no real way to prove citizenship right? not unless you use biometrics. the rest is fodder for you to eat.

Uh-uh.

Not eating that.

Perhaps one of your co-...believers?

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 09:26 PM
go ahead....explain how a piece of paper is going to prove citizenship? yeah i thought so, dancing like nancy.

j2k4
07-03-2010, 10:38 PM
go ahead....explain how a piece of paper is going to prove citizenship? yeah i thought so, dancing like nancy.

It works for me...no reason it shouldn't work for you/yours.

Btw-

What's your deal with dancing?

Do you know what the word means?

Who is Nancy?

l33tpirata13
07-03-2010, 11:53 PM
It works for me...no reason it shouldn't work for you/yours.

just because you say it works doesnt make it so. give reason or shut the fuck up.
Why do you say it works? how can anyone prove they are genuine? and youll continue to dance around the question, i bet. fucking nancy.

devilsadvocate
07-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Just hope the officer isn't a birther.

j2k4
07-04-2010, 02:21 PM
fucking nancy.

Only if she's your mom, pal.


Just hope the officer isn't a birther.

Yes.

The ranks of law enforcement are rife with them, I hear.

By the way, devil-person - I am not one of those who bang on about Barry's birthplace, but why on earth do you think he doesn't prove them wrong?

I ask this only because of the current subject, you see.

devilsadvocate
07-04-2010, 03:57 PM
By the way, devil-person - I am not one of those who bang on about Barry's birthplace, but why on earth do you think he doesn't prove them wrong?

I ask this only because of the current subject, you see.

You may not bang on about it but you sound awfully like a birther.

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:04 PM
By the way, devil-person - I am not one of those who bang on about Barry's birthplace, but why on earth do you think he doesn't prove them wrong?

I ask this only because of the current subject, you see.

You may not bang on about it but you sound awfully like a birther.


That, thankfully, is subject to interpretations other than your own, defective as it is.

You still won't answer the question, but that is nothing new, either..

devilsadvocate
07-04-2010, 04:06 PM
What is there to answer? He has released his birth certificate and it's authenticity has been confirmed.

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:06 PM
By the way, devil-person - I am not one of those who bang on about Barry's birthplace, but why on earth do you think he doesn't prove them wrong?

I ask this only because of the current subject, you see.

You may not bang on about it but you sound awfully like a birther.


That, thankfully, is subject to interpretations other than your own, defective as it is.

You still won't answer the question, but that is nothing new, either...

I mean that - it is why I repeated the post.

devilsadvocate
07-04-2010, 04:08 PM
Where did my post disappear to?

What is there to answer? He released his birth certificate and it has been confirmed as authentic.

Only birthers don't understand or accept this fact

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:08 PM
What is there to answer? He has released his birth certificate and it's authenticity has been confirmed.

By whom...Rahm Emmanuel?

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:10 PM
C'mon, c'mon.

I have people to do; places to meet...

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:10 PM
Going...going...

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:12 PM
gone!

devilsadvocate
07-04-2010, 04:13 PM
See, you are a birther

l33tpirata13
07-04-2010, 04:18 PM
You may not bang on about it but you sound awfully like a birther.


That, thankfully, is subject to interpretations other than your own, defective as it is.

You still won't answer the question, but that is nothing new, either..

please you dance around questions like a girl. you have yet to give me a reason why you think showing papers will prove im genuinely American.

you may not be an idiot but you seem more like one everytime you ignore the question.


in all likelyhood jk2whatever is a truckerhat wearing redneck. how stupid can one be to believe orly tates? extremely extremely stupid.

but see the hypocrisy? he acknowledges with one hand that a birth certificate can be fake, but they are good enough to prove citizenship for millions of people, who have been known to produce really good fake papers. its idiocy and racism at its finest. fucking slimey shit dude, real slimey. Pick a side and stick to it.

Your so obviously RACIST. you have issues being under a black president. its a southern white republican thing and i thank GOD they dont much voting power. Can you imagine if they did? Mental cases like J2kblahblah would have palin in office.

j2k4
07-04-2010, 04:19 PM
See, you are a birther

Whattya got, like two tools in your arsenal?

You and the pirate fella - maybe 7 braincells between the two of you.

l33tpirata13
07-04-2010, 04:29 PM
See, you are a birther

Whattya got, like two tools in your arsenal?

You and the pirate fella - maybe 7 braincells between the two of you.

youre a tool. youre probably reading orly tates right now, while you rub yourself in cooking oil. youre nuts dude. its kinda scary to think there are a whole bunch of you down south.

And what do have in your arsenal? You havent made ANY points except for that your a racist bigot. You'd be the the jagoff yelling profanities at the little black girl for going to school. You'd be the P.O.S that spit on MLK at Marquette Park. All the stupid shit youre spewing, without giving RATIONAL THOUGHT, or REASON, is making it completely obvious. so prove me wrong, ASS!!!

l33tpirata13
07-04-2010, 04:54 PM
C'mon, c'mon.

I have people to do; places to meet...

Im willing to bet you copulate with an inflatable. :yup:

j2k4
07-04-2010, 06:12 PM
You are aware others read what you say, I take i?
They read what I say, then they read what you say, and they adjourn, the quality of effort easily decided.

Enjoy your Fourth of July, and have a thought for those who came before you, and why, if you even know.

l33tpirata13
07-04-2010, 06:28 PM
You are aware others read what you say, I take i?
They read what I say, then they read what you say, and they adjourn, the quality of effort easily decided.

Enjoy your Fourth of July, and have a thought for those who came before you, and why, if you even know.

yeah, ill go light up a bottlerocket, while you go light up a cross. have a good one!!!!!

clocker
07-04-2010, 07:01 PM
Why has this discussion ( description used in only the most generous of terms) focused on the validity (or not) of the papers being asked for instead of the asking itself?

Obviously, any document can be (and probably has been) counterfeited and it's safe to assume that even pirate-person's beloved "biometrics" will be circumvented as the technology becomes more widespread.

Seems to me that the flaw in j2's argument lies in the casual acceptance of randomly being asked to provide ID in the first place.
Isn't it bedrock conservative policy to minimize the intrusion of government into a citizens daily life?
It's damn near socialist for the government to meddle in your health insurance or to limit access/use of a gun but perfectly fine for any random cop to stop you and ask for ID?

Kev has stated repeatedly that he has no problem with this and places the "buy-out" for compliance at $100, although dollars to donuts, he's never had to go through it himself.

Although not directly comparable, my experience with "papers" and having to show them is that it's at best mildly inconvenient, at worst, painful.
I traveled extensively in Europe pre- EU, and border crossings were always a crap shoot.
One bored/incompetent/hateful drone could delay you for hours and any sign of belligerence made the scrutiny even more intense.

If it's OK for any random Arizona Barney Fife to stop and question your identity, wouldn't also be OK- in fact, logical- for Arizona to set up checkpoints on all four of their borders and be able to question everyone who enters or leaves the state?

BTW, pirata:
I can assure you that Orly Taite does nothing for j2.
Rand Paul probably gets him moist though.

j2k4
07-04-2010, 08:59 PM
Why has this discussion ( description used in only the most generous of terms) focused on the validity (or not) of the papers being asked for instead of the asking itself?

Obviously, any document can be (and probably has been) counterfeited and it's safe to assume that even pirate-person's beloved "biometrics" will be circumvented as the technology becomes more widespread.

I have no idea how this concern arose; any fool knows we're not there yet, in any case...


Seems to me that the flaw in j2's argument lies in the casual acceptance of randomly being asked to provide ID in the first place.
Isn't it bedrock conservative policy to minimize the intrusion of government into a citizens daily life?
It's damn near socialist for the government to meddle in your health insurance or to limit access/use of a gun but perfectly fine for any random cop to stop you and ask for ID?
Kev has stated repeatedly that he has no problem with this and places the "buy-out" for compliance at $100, although dollars to donuts, he's never had to go through it himself.

When and if I ever actually see a believable "trend" of this type of thing, I will entertain the question, "Is it worth it?" at that time.

As you liberals are fond of saying, At least we would be trying...something! .

Another thing:

Just what constitutes "being hassled" to the point of fear for one's survival (as it is presented)?

If you mean, 'have I ever gone through a significant period of my life being pulled over regularly", I would say that, between the ages of 15 and perhaps 24 or 25, it happened perhaps 50 or 60 times.

By the same people.

For the same bullshit.

Every time I produced identification and cooperated fully.

I wasn't scarred by anything that happened, and let me tell you, plenty happened.



Although not directly comparable, my experience with "papers" and having to show them is that it's at best mildly inconvenient, at worst, painful.
I traveled extensively in Europe pre- EU, and border crossings were always a crap shoot.
One bored/incompetent/hateful drone could delay you for hours and any sign of belligerence made the scrutiny even more intense.

How much of it was related to skin color, white-bread?

What was the worst you dealt with, beyond ridiculous inconvenience?

Were you ever beaten?

Given a cavity search?

Sexually assaulted?

Divested of goods (beyond the "touch" of the on-site personnel)?

Those types of things are kind of objectionable.



If it's OK for any random Arizona Barney Fife to stop and question your identity, wouldn't also be OK- in fact, logical- for Arizona to set up checkpoints on all four of their borders and be able to question everyone who enters or leaves the state?

Oh, yeah...Barney was white - but he was also incompetent, and a minor irritant at best.

So - what about him?


BTW, pirata:
I can assure you that Orly Taite does nothing for j2.
Rand Paul probably gets him moist though.

Rand Paul is his father's son.

Something is awry.

l33tpirata13
07-04-2010, 09:19 PM
Why has this discussion ( description used in only the most generous of terms) focused on the validity (or not) of the papers being asked for instead of the asking itself?

Obviously, any document can be (and probably has been) counterfeited and it's safe to assume that even pirate-person's beloved "biometrics" will be circumvented as the technology becomes more widespread.



I have no idea how this concern arose; any fool knows we're not there yet, in any case...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/17/AR2010031703115.html

clocker
07-04-2010, 10:54 PM
When and if I ever actually see a believable "trend" of this type of thing, I will entertain the question, "Is it worth it?" at that time.

As you liberals are fond of saying, At least we would be trying...something! .
How very laid back of you, a "believable trend" of abuse must be visible to you before outrage ensues.
Why wasn't this your attitude about health care reform, which had you frothing at the mouth before it even passed?
At least the Dems were trying "something" then, right?


Another thing:

Just what constitutes "being hassled" to the point of fear for one's survival (as it is presented)?

If you mean, 'have I ever gone through a significant period of my life being pulled over regularly", I would say that, between the ages of 15 and perhaps 24 or 25, it happened perhaps 50 or 60 times.

By the same people.

For the same bullshit.

Every time I produced identification and cooperated fully.

I wasn't scarred by anything that happened, and let me tell you, plenty happened.
50-60 times?
And that had no effect on you as an adult?
It's OK for the same people who harassed you to harass everyone else because you decided it was no big deal?




Although not directly comparable, my experience with "papers" and having to show them is that it's at best mildly inconvenient, at worst, painful.
I traveled extensively in Europe pre- EU, and border crossings were always a crap shoot.
One bored/incompetent/hateful drone could delay you for hours and any sign of belligerence made the scrutiny even more intense.

How much of it was related to skin color, white-bread?How would I know?

What was the worst you dealt with, beyond ridiculous inconvenience?

Were you ever beaten?No.

Given a cavity search?Yes.

Sexually assaulted?No.

Divested of goods (beyond the "touch" of the on-site personnel)?Yes.

Those types of things are kind of objectionable.
Does two out of six rise to the "objectionable" level or no?
Have I your leave to feel hassled yet?




If it's OK for any random Arizona Barney Fife to stop and question your identity, wouldn't also be OK- in fact, logical- for Arizona to set up checkpoints on all four of their borders and be able to question everyone who enters or leaves the state?

Oh, yeah...Barney was white - but he was also incompetent, and a minor irritant at best.

So - what about him?
Are the Fifes of Arizona allowed bullets for their guns and granted the authority to use them?

Given that Mayberry was not only fictional but also 100% white, it'd be interesting to see Barney's reaction should a pack of Juans saunter down Main Street toward Aunt Bee's place...

j2k4
07-05-2010, 12:57 PM
a pack of Juans saunter down Main Street toward Aunt Bee's place...

I can't respond fully because I'm at work, but I will note that, had I typed that passage, I would now be suffering an charge of "outrageous" racism.

clocker
07-05-2010, 10:10 PM
Not from me, you wouldn't.

Shouldn't that be "a charge" instead of "an charge"?
Being a screaming racist is no excuse for poor grammar.

j2k4
07-06-2010, 01:49 AM
Not from me, you wouldn't.

Shouldn't that be "a charge" instead of "an charge"?
Being a screaming racist is no excuse for poor grammar.

Ah, once in nine years...

So, wow, hey, you got a cavity search, eh?

I always made it a point to eat chile when I was sure I was gonna get pulled over - I figured I could get any cop in the fucking world off the subject with a few well-timed freeps.

Okay, back to the race thing again - you (white boy) were inhumanely treated by another white (primarily, right? I mean, correct me if I am wrong), so, under what sub-heading of racism were you violated?

Or would you say it was merely an exercise of power, with no racial component whatsoever?

In other words, would you have been treated any differently at the Polish border as an Italian, an Irishman, a Spaniard, or an American?

Did you ever cross a border uneventfully?

Indulge me, please.

clocker
07-06-2010, 02:13 AM
Sure, most of our border crossings were uneventful.
I never pegged any of our less pleasant encounters as racial, more casual bureaucratic fucking than anything else.
Try explaining to a bored Italian border guard why you have two 55 gallon drums of special blend fuel in your trailer (also full of bikes/tools, etc.) without any of the paperwork they consider necessary.
(The drums of gas were the items that were confiscated. We picked them up as we left Italy 5 days later.
Apparently, actually having the gas in our possession wasn't the problem, not having the "proper" waybills was.)

Look, I said initially that my experience was not directly comparable and I totally understand why we would have been hassled...a big rig full of longhairs and exotic equipment, it's bait for a border guard...I get it.
What is semi-comparable is being in a situation where we were subject to the petty and random whims of whoever felt like exercising their authority at the time.

If I was subject to the same random power plays while simply walking around my hometown I'd be pissed off instead of exasperated.

j2k4
07-06-2010, 10:02 AM
Sure, most of our border crossings were uneventful.
I never pegged any of our less pleasant encounters as racial, more casual bureaucratic fucking than anything else.
Try explaining to a bored Italian border guard why you have two 55 gallon drums of special blend fuel in your trailer (also full of bikes/tools, etc.) without any of the paperwork they consider necessary.
(The drums of gas were the items that were confiscated. We picked them up as we left Italy 5 days later.
Apparently, actually having the gas in our possession wasn't the problem, not having the "proper" waybills was.)

Look, I said initially that my experience was not directly comparable and I totally understand why we would have been hassled...a big rig full of longhairs and exotic equipment, it's bait for a border guard...I get it.
What is semi-comparable is being in a situation where we were subject to the petty and random whims of whoever felt like exercising their authority at the time.

IF I was subject to the same random power plays while simply walking around my hometown I'd be pissed off instead of exasperated.



That's a big if.

l33tpirata13
07-06-2010, 12:29 PM
Sure, most of our border crossings were uneventful.
I never pegged any of our less pleasant encounters as racial, more casual bureaucratic fucking than anything else.
Try explaining to a bored Italian border guard why you have two 55 gallon drums of special blend fuel in your trailer (also full of bikes/tools, etc.) without any of the paperwork they consider necessary.
(The drums of gas were the items that were confiscated. We picked them up as we left Italy 5 days later.
Apparently, actually having the gas in our possession wasn't the problem, not having the "proper" waybills was.)

Look, I said initially that my experience was not directly comparable and I totally understand why we would have been hassled...a big rig full of longhairs and exotic equipment, it's bait for a border guard...I get it.
What is semi-comparable is being in a situation where we were subject to the petty and random whims of whoever felt like exercising their authority at the time.

IF I was subject to the same random power plays while simply walking around my hometown I'd be pissed off instead of exasperated.

That's a big if.

Well, i HAVE. But you seem to think its trivial since its the group you wanna be biased against.



I always made it a point to eat chile when I was sure I was gonna get pulled over - I figured I could get any cop in the fucking world off the subject with a few well-timed freeps.

what kind of moron thinks of such a stupid and idiotic answer to a real problem? Someone who cant answer because their real answer would probably be "well, did you look like a mexican?"

clocker
07-06-2010, 12:51 PM
That's a big if.
I am again struck by your laid back, "Let's wait and see" response to this issue compared to your hyper agitated "Health care reform is going to drive me out of business!" stance.

So much for "compassionate conservatives".

j2k4
07-06-2010, 07:07 PM
I am again struck by your laid back, "Let's wait and see" response to this issue compared to your hyper agitated "Health care reform is going to drive me out of business!" stance.

So much for "compassionate conservatives".

isnt it obvious ,by now, that he's a racist hypocrite?
Nothing makes em froth at the mouth more that the words Mexican, Black, and Obama.


I'm a racist because you say so?

Heaven forbid.

l33tpirata13
07-06-2010, 08:17 PM
isnt it obvious ,by now, that he's a racist hypocrite?
Nothing makes em froth at the mouth more that the words Mexican, Black, and Obama.


I'm a racist because you say so?

Heaven forbid.

no youre a racist because YOU said so. You shared you views didnt you?

j2k4
07-06-2010, 08:33 PM
I'm a racist because you say so?

Heaven forbid.

no youre a racist because YOU said so. You shared you views didnt you?

Is there a shred of logic in this ^ , someone tell me, and by that I mean someone other than pirate-person.

j2k4
07-06-2010, 10:04 PM
Anyone?

Anyone at all?

j2k4
07-07-2010, 09:49 PM
The case is United States of America v. State of Arizona et al; Case No. 10-cv-1413 in U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona

ill guess we'll see what happens. I have no idea what will transpire. but, i tell you what wont change........J2kaca will still be complacent to bigotry.

So this would make you, what...non-complacent?

j2k4
07-07-2010, 11:26 PM
So this would make you, what...non-complacent?

why must you insist on using half a brain cell?

Because that's all that is required to deal with you, obviousment.

l33tpirata13
07-07-2010, 11:52 PM
wow.

999969999
08-09-2010, 09:54 PM
I just got back to Arizona, and as far as I can tell, 1070 is still having some positive effect on Arizona. Literally thousands of illegal aliens have fled the state and that means less crime, less wait time at hospital emergency rooms, fewer poor children to clog up our already overburdened schools, and a more pleasant experience when shopping at the Home Depot.

clocker
08-09-2010, 11:18 PM
Hey 9, have you ever wondered why it is that "immigration reform" such as Arizona's new law mimics the tragically failed "War on Drugs" in that it targets the lowest level of the problem- users and the immigrants themselves- and completely ignores the people who profit most?
In this instance, why is that the agricultural corporations/meatpackers, et cetera, who most benefit from the ready supply of cheap unorganized labor aren't getting raided and fined out the wazoo for hiring undocumented workers?

Next time you're wandering around your newly pleasant Home Depot, you might spare a moment and think about that.

bigboab
08-10-2010, 07:08 AM
I just got back to Arizona, and as far as I can tell, 1070 is still having some positive effect on Arizona. Literally thousands of illegal aliens have fled the state and that means less crime, less wait time at hospital emergency rooms, fewer poor children to clog up our already overburdened schools, and a more pleasant experience when shopping at the Home Depot.

How do illegal immigrants manage to clog up hospitals and schools without having the necessary papers?

j2k4
08-10-2010, 09:56 AM
I just got back to Arizona, and as far as I can tell, 1070 is still having some positive effect on Arizona. Literally thousands of illegal aliens have fled the state and that means less crime, less wait time at hospital emergency rooms, fewer poor children to clog up our already overburdened schools, and a more pleasant experience when shopping at the Home Depot.

How do illegal immigrants manage to clog up hospitals and schools without having the necessary papers?

In the usual way.

bigboab
08-10-2010, 01:16 PM
How do illegal immigrants manage to clog up hospitals and schools without having the necessary papers?

In the usual way.


What way would that be? Do you not require to be registered at school? Assuming they are all poor, because of unscrupulous employers, do they not require papers in order to receive hospital treament?

999969999
08-10-2010, 05:26 PM
In the usual way.


What way would that be? Do you not require to be registered at school? Assuming they are all poor, because of unscrupulous employers, do they not require papers in order to receive hospital treament?

Oh, wouldn't that be nice?

No, the schools let all children, illegals as well as citizens, attend. They don't care. The more children attending their schools, the more money they get.

Hospital emergency rooms can't turn anyone away, so illegals use them as their primary care physicians, and not just for emergencies. Whenever they get the sniffles, they run to the emergency rooms.

999969999
08-10-2010, 05:30 PM
Hey 9, have you ever wondered why it is that "immigration reform" such as Arizona's new law mimics the tragically failed "War on Drugs" in that it targets the lowest level of the problem- users and the immigrants themselves- and completely ignores the people who profit most?
In this instance, why is that the agricultural corporations/meatpackers, et cetera, who most benefit from the ready supply of cheap unorganized labor aren't getting raided and fined out the wazoo for hiring undocumented workers?

Next time you're wandering around your newly pleasant Home Depot, you might spare a moment and think about that.

Oh Clocky, what do you think Sheriff Joe has been up to lately in Maricopa County? He raids the businesses that hire illegals. But the feds don't like that and are now investigating him and trying to stop him from doing this.

If the feds would do their job by stopping anyone from crossing the border illegally, there wouldn't be nearly as many illegals to hire, and maybe employers would have to start hiring American teenagers again. Just a thought.

999969999
08-10-2010, 07:15 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this is the clearest signal that nothing, and I mean nothing will ever be done to control the dangers coming across our southern border?

Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

You know, we are still in the majority in the U.S., and we will continue to be in the majority for quite awhile to come, and with the new baby boom I see happening in the white Mormon communities and other white communities, I think it is quite possible that we will be the majority population in the U.S. indefinitely. This is not like South Africa, where whites were always in the minority.

If we acted like you are acting right now, it would be quite horrible for you. If people like you continue to say these things, and act this way, I dare say that you may wake up the sleeping giant, the white majority, and if you think it's bad now, wait till you see what comes next.

If it is okay to have racist organizations like La Raza, Chicanos Por La Causa, NAACP, etc., then why shouldn't whites start acting the same way and start looking out for their own race and stop bending over backwards to help the other races? What do you think would happen then?

l33tpirata13
08-10-2010, 08:16 PM
Ok so you wanna "feel secure" by making me carry papers and have to worry about getting pulled over by the wrong skinhead whiteboy cop?
or maybe by outlawing ethnic studies? or wait, maybe stripping the rights of the naturally born?
ive said it before and ill say it again, Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!
thanks, bigoted white folk, for showing us how deadly afraid you are of being the minority, idiots.

You know, we are still in the majority in the U.S., and we will continue to be in the majority for quite awhile to come, and with the new baby boom I see happening in the white Mormon communities and other white communities, I think it is quite possible that we will be the majority population in the U.S. indefinitely. This is not like South Africa, where whites were always in the minority.

If we acted like you are acting right now, it would be quite horrible for you. If people like you continue to say these things, and act this way, I dare say that you may wake up the sleeping giant, the white majority, and if you think it's bad now, wait till you see what comes next.

If it is okay to have racist organizations like La Raza, Chicanos Por La Causa, NAACP, etc., then why shouldn't whites start acting the same way and start looking out for their own race and stop bending over backwards to help the other races? What do you think would happen then?

You really must be dreaming. Whites on route to regain majority status? Its impossible by any standard. Math is on our side. Its a widely recognized FACT. Sorry if it doesnt fit your "white" dream.

My mother, who works as a case worker for the Maricopa County Courthouse, recently threw a disgusting fact at me. Yes, this extremely racist law, backed only by the fearing and unknowing, has driven illegals elsewhere. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY WENT BACK TO MEXICO. (Sorry, but Whitey's desired effect is null if they go into another STATE!!!!!) But thats all besides my point. She holds a domestic violence class every Thursday, which is usually full. She said that she usually expected at least 30 women, who have been beat and worse. Now, she sees only a handful. Maybe 6 or 8. IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL A WIN? DRIVING AWAY women who have been beat, threatened, maimed, disfigured, and in some cases severly tortured? Well, go ahead and give yourself a pat on that hump you call a back.

Oh and i will say it again, since its not racism, its just a fact. What whites are doing in AZ and in other WHITE rural areas, is done out of pure FEAR. They recognize that White Americana is OVER!!!!! And it scares em all the way to the loony bin. They arent that stupid though, they know where the numbers are and where they are going, that's why they are trying to make us the scapegoat. DEATH THROWS OF A DYING RACE......DEATH THROWS OF A DYING RACE.

PS White Mormons? Really? I know they have money, but they'll never have our breeding power.

And I almost forgot, I used to work for a place named "Spanish Coalition for Jobs". Do you think we just served "Spanish" people? Stop listening to Glenn Beck he's bad for your brain.

l33tpirata13
08-10-2010, 08:26 PM
Hey 9, have you ever wondered why it is that "immigration reform" such as Arizona's new law mimics the tragically failed "War on Drugs" in that it targets the lowest level of the problem- users and the immigrants themselves- and completely ignores the people who profit most?
In this instance, why is that the agricultural corporations/meatpackers, et cetera, who most benefit from the ready supply of cheap unorganized labor aren't getting raided and fined out the wazoo for hiring undocumented workers?

Next time you're wandering around your newly pleasant Home Depot, you might spare a moment and think about that.

Oh Clocky, what do you think Sheriff Joe has been up to lately in Maricopa County? He raids the businesses that hire illegals. But the feds don't like that and are now investigating him and trying to stop him from doing this.

If the feds would do their job by stopping anyone from crossing the border illegally, there wouldn't be nearly as many illegals to hire, and maybe employers would have to start hiring American teenagers again. Just a thought.

You rarely if ever go to Maricopa county. i can tell.

l33tpirata13
08-10-2010, 08:29 PM
How do illegal immigrants manage to clog up hospitals and schools without having the necessary papers?

In the usual way.

Back it up with Words. Stop being so vague, in the usual way.

j2k4
08-10-2010, 09:02 PM
In the usual way.

Back it up with Words. Stop being so vague, in the usual way.

Oh, ffs.

If I had another account, I could post for you (and do it better) - you could do something where quality rhetoric doesn't matter.

l33tpirata13
08-10-2010, 09:10 PM
Back it up with Words. Stop being so vague, in the usual way.

Oh, ffs.

If I had another account, I could post for you (and do it better) - you could do something where quality rhetoric doesn't matter.

So you go personal, because you can't think of a logical response? Or because youre an Elitist?

megabyteme
08-10-2010, 09:12 PM
What way would that be? Do you not require to be registered at school? Assuming they are all poor, because of unscrupulous employers, do they not require papers in order to receive hospital treament?

Oh, wouldn't that be nice?

No, the schools let all children, illegals as well as citizens, attend. They don't care. The more children attending their schools, the more money they get.

Hospital emergency rooms can't turn anyone away, so illegals use them as their primary care physicians, and not just for emergencies. Whenever they get the sniffles, they run to the emergency rooms.

Hospitals care for the sick, BECAUSE IT IS COMPLETELY INHUMAN, COLD, SELFISH, AND WRONG TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY. The alternative is children, elderly, sick, and injured laying around and dying like stray dogs. Oh wait, organizations in America also help stray, injured, sick animals...

Schools help/enroll children so that they have a chance at a better, productive life.

You, and your limited, self-centered "views", truly make me sick. Are you truly that empty-hearted and vacuous? I honestly hope you are a troll.

999969999
08-10-2010, 11:23 PM
You know, we are still in the majority in the U.S., and we will continue to be in the majority for quite awhile to come, and with the new baby boom I see happening in the white Mormon communities and other white communities, I think it is quite possible that we will be the majority population in the U.S. indefinitely. This is not like South Africa, where whites were always in the minority.

If we acted like you are acting right now, it would be quite horrible for you. If people like you continue to say these things, and act this way, I dare say that you may wake up the sleeping giant, the white majority, and if you think it's bad now, wait till you see what comes next.

If it is okay to have racist organizations like La Raza, Chicanos Por La Causa, NAACP, etc., then why shouldn't whites start acting the same way and start looking out for their own race and stop bending over backwards to help the other races? What do you think would happen then?

You really must be dreaming. Whites on route to regain majority status? Its impossible by any standard. Math is on our side. Its a widely recognized FACT. Sorry if it doesnt fit your "white" dream.

My mother, who works as a case worker for the Maricopa County Courthouse, recently threw a disgusting fact at me. Yes, this extremely racist law, backed only by the fearing and unknowing, has driven illegals elsewhere. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY WENT BACK TO MEXICO. (Sorry, but Whitey's desired effect is null if they go into another STATE!!!!!) But thats all besides my point. She holds a domestic violence class every Thursday, which is usually full. She said that she usually expected at least 30 women, who have been beat and worse. Now, she sees only a handful. Maybe 6 or 8. IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL A WIN? DRIVING AWAY women who have been beat, threatened, maimed, disfigured, and in some cases severly tortured? Well, go ahead and give yourself a pat on that hump you call a back.

Oh and i will say it again, since its not racism, its just a fact. What whites are doing in AZ and in other WHITE rural areas, is done out of pure FEAR. They recognize that White Americana is OVER!!!!! And it scares em all the way to the loony bin. They arent that stupid though, they know where the numbers are and where they are going, that's why they are trying to make us the scapegoat. DEATH THROWS OF A DYING RACE......DEATH THROWS OF A DYING RACE.

PS White Mormons? Really? I know they have money, but they'll never have our breeding power.

And I almost forgot, I used to work for a place named "Spanish Coalition for Jobs". Do you think we just served "Spanish" people? Stop listening to Glenn Beck he's bad for your brain.

I would say that's your RACIST dream, that whites will no longer be the majority population. You obviously have not been to very many Mormon areas. I have 5 brothers and 4 sisters. We control large portions of the western states, and we will continue to control them for many years into the future.

And as the economy of the U.S. goes further downhill, the rest of the white population will start to have bigger and bigger families. We're already here in majority status and in positions of power and control. All we have to do is start having bigger families, and we will be able to continue our control of the United States indefinitely.

It's time that the rest of the whites wake up and realize that we are in a struggle for the continued control of the United States. The first thing we need to do is stop hiring anyone to do things we should be doing ourselves-- lawn care, house cleaning, home repair, construction projects, car repair, etc. That will eliminate a huge amount of jobs for illegals. And then, whenever we are in a position of hiring authority, hire our own kind (discretely, of course), and that would knock the illegal aliens out of most jobs. There are other things we could and should do, but I probably shouldn't get into them on this public forum.

We are still in power and should take advantage of that fact while we still can.

Liberals hate Glenn Beck (a white Mormon, by the way) because he is a serious threat to their agendas. I will continue to listen to and watch Glenn Beck. He is great.

clocker
08-10-2010, 11:34 PM
So, it's fair to say that in your view the American dream is exclusively white?

BTW, Glen Beck is no threat to my "agenda".
Mainly because he's a moron and in my version of the future everyone would be smart enough to ignore him.

999969999
08-10-2010, 11:38 PM
Oh Clocky, what do you think Sheriff Joe has been up to lately in Maricopa County? He raids the businesses that hire illegals. But the feds don't like that and are now investigating him and trying to stop him from doing this.

If the feds would do their job by stopping anyone from crossing the border illegally, there wouldn't be nearly as many illegals to hire, and maybe employers would have to start hiring American teenagers again. Just a thought.

You rarely if ever go to Maricopa county. i can tell.

Yes, Scottsdale, Paradise Valley, Arcadia, Mesa, Gilbert, and Queen Creek. Not all of Maricopa County has been taken over by illegals yet.

One point I would like to mention is that all the way from northern Mexico to southern Chile, where Hispanics are the majority of the population, you can't point to any one of them that has a better economy or better standard of living than the United States. I wouldn't want to live in any of them. In fact, people are fleeing from those countries and desperately trying to come to the United States. Why is that? Why are your people so desperate to come here? Why is your homeland so horrible? What made your home country such a horrible place to live?

Looking at the barrios of Phoenix, I can only assume that your people will make the United States every bit as bad as the countries you came from.

999969999
08-10-2010, 11:44 PM
So, it's fair to say that in your view the American dream is exclusively white?

BTW, Glen Beck is no threat to my "agenda".
Mainly because he's a moron and in my version of the future everyone would be smart enough to ignore him.

Not exclusively white, but white majority, the way it currently is and has been for centuries.

If that's a racist idea, then Mexico's law is also racist...


QUOTED FROM A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH:
"Mexico's immigration laws are codified in what's called Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population. You can read the Spanish-language version HERE, or a Google English version HERE.

Some examples, as presented by Redstate. Referenced articles are from Ley General de Población (English version):

-- Foreigners are admitted into Mexico ”according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

-- Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

-- Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

-- The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

The chorus of critics of Arizona's new law targeting suspected illegal immigrants has been joined by an unlikely voice. It belongs to Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who has blasted the Arizona law as opening the door "to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement."

Just one problem with Calderon's holier-than-thou posturing. His own country's Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion —General Law on Population, which was enacted in April 2000—is quite similar to the Arizona law, with one important difference. It is far stricter and the penalties for violating it far more draconian.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The penalty includes up to two years in prison. That jail time is upped to 10 years for repeat offenders. Visa violators can be sentenced to prison terms of 6 years, and any Mexican who aids and abets an illegal immigrant is himself considered a criminal.

And that's just for openers. The law also gives Mexican officials the authority and discretion to deport foreigners who:

are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests";
violate Mexican law;
are not "physically or mentally healthy";
lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.
The root of Mexico's immigration woes, ironically, is its own southern border, with Guatemala. Families from that even poorer country to Mexico's south illegally enter Mexico to do jobs vacated by Mexicans who themselves have made an illegal crossing of their northern border. The Guatemalans are thus coming to Mexico to "do jobs that will no one else will do." There seems to be a delicious irony in all of this that makes Calderon's righteous indignation that much more pernicious and hypocritical."

clocker
08-10-2010, 11:47 PM
Why do we care about Mexican law/policies?

999969999
08-11-2010, 12:08 AM
Why do we care about Mexican law/policies?

And that's all you have to say about the Ley General de Población?

I'm disappointed in you, Clocky.


If it is okay for Hispanics to be RACIST, then why can't we be racist back to them?

They push, and we will push back.

My generation is not going to just roll over and play dead for them.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 01:38 AM
thank god your in little eagar, where your opinion stays there. You're on the fringe, where you belong.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 01:39 AM
You have absolutely NO idea what the hell you are talking about when it comes down to mexican immigration. But what do you expect from a mindless drone like yourself?

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 01:42 AM
It's time that the rest of the whites wake up and realize that we are in a struggle for the continued control of the United States.

that's the retarded shit im talkin bout. You also said your race "should take advantage while it can". Sounds like youre "defeated" already and need to employ blatantly racist and inhumane tactics. You can cry all you want with that glenn beck phony, math and time is against you.

WHITES WILL be the MINORITY by 2050. Maybe sooner. At current rates, our grandsons WILL be porkin your granddaughters. As it is White Girls love Latinos. Believe it. All the rest is just chatter.

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 03:58 AM
It's time that the rest of the whites wake up and realize that we are in a struggle for the continued control of the United States.

that's the retarded shit im talkin bout. You also said your race "should take advantage while it can". Sounds like youre "defeated" already and need to employ blatantly racist and inhumane tactics. You can cry all you want with that glenn beck phony, math and time is against you.

WHITES WILL be the MINORITY by 2050. Maybe sooner. At current rates, our grandsons WILL be porkin your granddaughters. As it is White Girls love Latinos. Believe it. All the rest is just chatter.

If he has it his way, leet, his granddaughters will porkin' their white, moron, sorry typo, Mormon cousins in a 200 square mile "Whitey World". If he wants to play the "Race War" card, I can't imagine there would be any harm in pointing out the sheer lunacy of his "religion". It's one that makes some cults look reasonable. And modern. Glan Beck is their poster boy. What's that tell ya? :fear:

If I were you, bud, I would do myself a favor and put this idiot on ignore. Nobody takes him seriously; no reason to get yourself worked up over a nothing, middle of Wankerville, racist. Hell, he probably has fantasies about sucking your Mexi-cawk. He'd lick salsa off your taint if you'd let him. He just wants you to carry papers so he knows he's eating AUTHENTIC Mexican guacamole.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCQA1EJiC0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q4is6HVnYw

999969999
08-11-2010, 01:25 PM
It's time that the rest of the whites wake up and realize that we are in a struggle for the continued control of the United States.

that's the retarded shit im talkin bout. You also said your race "should take advantage while it can". Sounds like youre "defeated" already and need to employ blatantly racist and inhumane tactics. You can cry all you want with that glenn beck phony, math and time is against you.

WHITES WILL be the MINORITY by 2050. Maybe sooner. At current rates, our grandsons WILL be porkin your granddaughters. As it is White Girls love Latinos. Believe it. All the rest is just chatter.

Keep telling yourself that, you racist Hispanic. That's what you must cling to, but we are in the majority now, and we will stay in the majority.

As the coming 2nd Great Depression nears for the U.S., white birth rates will go up. Birth rates fall with affluence and rise with poverty. Whites had huge families before, and will have huge families again. What do you think will happen when the white majority population starts to have more children? Can you do the math?

And we already own most of the land and businesses in this country. We just need to stop hiring you.

"icky thump
who'da thunk?
sittin' drunk on a wagon to Mexico.

ahh well
what a chump
well my head got a bump
when I hit it on the radio.

redhead senorita
looking dead
came and said
"Need a bed?"
en Español.

I said
"Gimme a drink a water
I'm gonna 'sing around the collar
and I don't need a microphone."

icky thump
with a lump in my throat
grabbed my coat
and now it's reckon
I was ready to go!

and I swear
besides the head
she had one white eye,
one blank stare
lookin' up
lyin' there.

on the stand
near her hand
was a candy cane
black rum, sugar cane,
dry ice (and) something strange.

la la la la la la la
la la la la la la la

white Americans, what?
nothing better to do?
why don't you kick yourself out
you're an immigrant too.

who's using who? what should we do?
well, you can't be a pimp
and a prostitute too.

icky thump
handcuffed to a bunk
robbed blind
looked around
and there was nobody else.

left alone
i hit myself with a stone
went home and learned how
to clean up after myself."

That's what we need to do, start doing the jobs that we hire illegal aliens to do.

999969999
08-11-2010, 01:33 PM
that's the retarded shit im talkin bout. You also said your race "should take advantage while it can". Sounds like youre "defeated" already and need to employ blatantly racist and inhumane tactics. You can cry all you want with that glenn beck phony, math and time is against you.

WHITES WILL be the MINORITY by 2050. Maybe sooner. At current rates, our grandsons WILL be porkin your granddaughters. As it is White Girls love Latinos. Believe it. All the rest is just chatter.

If he has it his way, leet, his granddaughters will porkin' their white, moron, sorry typo, Mormon cousins in a 200 square mile "Whitey World". If he wants to play the "Race War" card, I can't imagine there would be any harm in pointing out the sheer lunacy of his "religion". It's one that makes some cults look reasonable. And modern. Glan Beck is their poster boy. What's that tell ya? :fear:

If I were you, bud, I would do myself a favor and put this idiot on ignore. Nobody takes him seriously; no reason to get yourself worked up over a nothing, middle of Wankerville, racist. Hell, he probably has fantasies about sucking your Mexi-cawk. He'd lick salsa off your taint if you'd let him. He just wants you to carry papers so he knows he's eating AUTHENTIC Mexican guacamole.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCQA1EJiC0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q4is6HVnYw

What's interesting is how hypocritical and illogical you are. It is okay to be racist if one is Hispanic. But if whitey starts to fight back, that's evil.

Well, get ready. My generation knows we're being screwed over by our liberal establishment government and media, and we're not going to roll over and play dead.

As far as the Mormon religion goes, if you had bothered to read my other posts, you would know that I think all religions are stupid. It's the Mormon community that I like. No crime, hard working people, and huge families. It's a good thing.

As for your homo stuff, you're the only one who mentioned that, so I can only assume that you are the homo because it is what you are thinking about. You are the one with homoerotic thoughts, not me.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 01:33 PM
If I were you, bud, I would do myself a favor and put this idiot on ignore. Nobody takes him seriously; no reason to get yourself worked up over a nothing, middle of Wankerville, racist.

Fuck dude, you're 100% right. What was i thinking arguing with a Mormon and his Magic Underwear? Thanks for putting things into perspective for me, bro.

999969999
08-11-2010, 01:40 PM
thank god your in little eagar, where your opinion stays there. You're on the fringe, where you belong.

Ah, but Mormons are throughout the western states, and we turn the tide on many elections. We turn states red.

Take a drive out of Phoenix and look at all the huge Mormon churches in eastern part of Maricopa County. Russell Pearce, the author of SB 1070 is a Mormon.

999969999
08-11-2010, 01:41 PM
If I were you, bud, I would do myself a favor and put this idiot on ignore. Nobody takes him seriously; no reason to get yourself worked up over a nothing, middle of Wankerville, racist.

Fuck dude, you're 100% right. What was i thinking arguing with a Mormon and his Magic Underwear? Thanks for putting things into perspective for me, bro.

I think all religions are stupid. Including your Catholic religion which allows priests to molest your children.

999969999
08-11-2010, 01:43 PM
If the white majority population would stop hiring Hispanics, you would crap and fall back into it.

bigboab
08-11-2010, 01:44 PM
You Whiteys, Latinos, Africanos etc. can all piss off. This is my country. Sitting Bull.


:whistling

clocker
08-11-2010, 01:54 PM
As the coming 2nd Great Depression nears for the U.S., white birth rates will go up.
If you have no job or a house to live in, how do you support the newly expanded family you fantasize about?
If you can't afford healthcare, how do you keep them alive?
If you cut government services/taxes, how do you educate them?

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 02:00 PM
thank god your in little eagar, where your opinion stays there. You're on the fringe, where you belong.

Ah, but Mormons are throughout the western states, and we turn the tide on many elections. We turn states red.

Take a drive out of Phoenix and look at all the huge Mormon churches in eastern part of Maricopa County. Russell Pearce, the author of SB 1070 is a Mormon.

Ive never heard the term "Mormon Swing Vote". Maybe because its non-existent!!!! Ive heard the term "Latino Swing Vote", which unfortunately put that idiot Bush into office. Republicans are nothing without the Latino vote. Thats just the truth.

So Mormon influence is measured by the size of the Church? Or by how many Churches and Churchgoers there are? I see waaaaay waaaaay more Catholic and Baptist Churches in PHX. So that scum Russell Pierce is a Mormon. SO WHAT? He also attends KKK rallies and recruits for TJ Ready. He's an idiot. Thats why his Idiotic law got stricken down. So what happened to Jan "Wrinkleface" Brewer saying she was going to appeal and push this law through? Nothing!!!! The bitch is now "going back to the drawing board". Much to Pearce's dismay. They remind me of the Keystone Cops. Bunch of bumbling idiots.

999969999
08-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Ah, but Mormons are throughout the western states, and we turn the tide on many elections. We turn states red.

Take a drive out of Phoenix and look at all the huge Mormon churches in eastern part of Maricopa County. Russell Pearce, the author of SB 1070 is a Mormon.

Ive never heard the term "Mormon Swing Vote". Maybe because its non-existent!!!! Ive heard the term "Latino Swing Vote", which unfortunately put that idiot Bush into office. Republicans are nothing without the Latino vote. Thats just the truth.

So Mormon influence is measured by the size of the Church? Or by how many Churches and Churchgoers there are? I see waaaaay waaaaay more Catholic and Baptist Churches in PHX. So that scum Russell Pierce is a Mormon. SO WHAT? He also attends KKK rallies and recruits for TJ Ready. He's an idiot. Thats why his Idiotic law got stricken down. So what happened to Jan "Wrinkleface" Brewer saying she was going to appeal and push this law through? Nothing!!!! The bitch is now "going back to the drawing board". Much to Pearce's dismay. They remind me of the Keystone Cops. Bunch of bumbling idiots.

Who do you think got Prop 8 passed in California? Mormons. And now it is headed for the Supreme Court.

Did you know that there are other cities to the east of Phoenix in Maricopa County?

I can see why you think that Hispanics are in the majority if all you ever do is drive around the streets of Phoenix. But just to the east of you, there a lot of evil white people lurking in places like Scottsdale, Paradise Valley, Fountain Hills, Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, and Queen Creek.

999969999
08-11-2010, 02:18 PM
As the coming 2nd Great Depression nears for the U.S., white birth rates will go up.
If you have no job or a house to live in, how do you support the newly expanded family you fantasize about?
If you can't afford healthcare, how do you keep them alive?
If you cut government services/taxes, how do you educate them?

How did whites have such huge families in the 1800s without all the wonderful government services you libs seem to think we can't survive without?

It is a simple fact. When poverty rises, birth rates go up. The problem has been that whites have been too affluent and selfish and so they stopped having enough children to grow the population. That's about to change.

And it's simple math. If the white majority starts to have more children, it will remain in the majority.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 02:20 PM
Ive never heard the term "Mormon Swing Vote". Maybe because its non-existent!!!! Ive heard the term "Latino Swing Vote", which unfortunately put that idiot Bush into office. Republicans are nothing without the Latino vote. Thats just the truth.

So Mormon influence is measured by the size of the Church? Or by how many Churches and Churchgoers there are? I see waaaaay waaaaay more Catholic and Baptist Churches in PHX. So that scum Russell Pierce is a Mormon. SO WHAT? He also attends KKK rallies and recruits for TJ Ready. He's an idiot. Thats why his Idiotic law got stricken down. So what happened to Jan "Wrinkleface" Brewer saying she was going to appeal and push this law through? Nothing!!!! The bitch is now "going back to the drawing board". Much to Pearce's dismay. They remind me of the Keystone Cops. Bunch of bumbling idiots.

Who do you think got Prop 8 passed in California? Mormons. And now it is headed for the Supreme Court.

Did you know that there are other cities to the east of Phoenix in Maricopa County?

I can see why you think that Hispanics are in the majority if all you ever do is drive around the streets of Phoenix. But just to the east of you, there a lot of evil white people lurking in places like Scottsdale, Paradise Valley, Fountain Hills, Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, and Queen Creek.

Guy im in and out of PHX all the time. And i travel the rest of the US too, unlike yourself who stays in WHITETOWN. Oh, and prop 8 was stricken down. All you retards did was stop progress. Backwards thinking morons.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 02:24 PM
And it's simple math. If the white majority starts to have more children, it will remain in the majority.

The math has already been done for you. Its been done over and over and over. You either choose to accept it, and be enlightened, Or, you can ignore it and make up your own facts. If the white majority isnt threatened why does it have its panties all in a bunch?

999969999
08-11-2010, 02:31 PM
Who do you think got Prop 8 passed in California? Mormons. And now it is headed for the Supreme Court.

Did you know that there are other cities to the east of Phoenix in Maricopa County?

I can see why you think that Hispanics are in the majority if all you ever do is drive around the streets of Phoenix. But just to the east of you, there a lot of evil white people lurking in places like Scottsdale, Paradise Valley, Fountain Hills, Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, and Queen Creek.

Guy im in and out of PHX all the time. And i travel the rest of the US too, unlike yourself who stays in WHITETOWN. Oh, and prop 8 was stricken down. All you retards did was stop progress. Backwards thinking morons.

Ha! I just got back from a 6 week vacation to California (Disneyland, Universal Studios, Six Flags) and Oregon (to visit relatives). Oregon, by the way, is mostly white. You should go on a trip there. It would be an eye opening experience for you.

clocker
08-11-2010, 02:34 PM
How did whites have such huge families in the 1800s without all the wonderful government services you libs seem to think we can't survive without?


In the 1800s America- and most of the world- was an agrarian economy.
You had more kids because you needed them as laborers on the farm.
Infant mortality was much higher, so you had more kids to increase your odds.
Education wasn't an issue because you trained them to work the fields, which doesn't require much in the way of formal education.

As the old song goes, "How do you keep them down on the farm once they've seen gay Paree?"
Returning from WW1, millions of your corn fed rural children looked at their rural roots and said "No fucking way", moved to the city and ultimately morphed into the "elites" you now despise.

The inane scenario you envision closely mirrors the recent history of China and look how that's working out.

999969999
08-11-2010, 02:39 PM
And it's simple math. If the white majority starts to have more children, it will remain in the majority.

The math has already been done for you. Its been done over and over and over. You either choose to accept it, and be enlightened, Or, you can ignore it and make up your own facts. If the white majority isnt threatened why does it have its panties all in a bunch?

It assumes that whites won't start having big families again. I think that is about to change. And your dreams of Hispanic majority will come crashing down.

But you know what? Even assuming whites will stop being in the majority in 2050, it simply means there will be no majority. Whites will still be the largest population for a very long time to come. The rest will be divided up between Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, and others. Remember, this is not South Africa. They were never in the majority in South Africa, nor anywhere close to even half the population. You cannot expect the same thing that happened in South Africa to happen here. The numbers simply don't support it.

Now, since you refused to answer this question last time, here it is again...

Why are all of the Hispanic majority countries from Mexico all the way down to Chile such horrible places to live?

Why are so many of them trying to come to the United States?

If you succeed in making the U.S. a Hispanic majority country, what will you have accomplished? It will become just as horrible as Mexico with a horrible standard of living.

So in reality, you should be glad that you are fortunate enough to live in a wonderful white majority country, and you should do everything you can to keep it that way so your standard of living doesn't fall back to that of Mexico's standard of living.

999969999
08-11-2010, 02:40 PM
How did whites have such huge families in the 1800s without all the wonderful government services you libs seem to think we can't survive without?


In the 1800s America- and most of the world- was an agrarian economy.
You had more kids because you needed them as laborers on the farm.
Infant mortality was much higher, so you had more kids to increase your odds.
Education wasn't an issue because you trained them to work the fields, which doesn't require much in the way of formal education.

As the old song goes, "How do you keep them down on the farm once they've seen gay Paree?"
Returning from WW1, millions of your corn fed rural children looked at their rural roots and said "No fucking way", moved to the city and ultimately morphed into the "elites" you now despise.

The inane scenario you envision closely mirrors the recent history of China and look how that's working out.

I'm not following you. How does China come into this picture. Please explain.

999969999
08-11-2010, 02:49 PM
And since you conveniently failed to respond to this last time, I'm bringing it back again...

"Mexico's immigration laws are codified in what's called Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population. You can read the Spanish-language version HERE, or a Google English version HERE.

Some examples, as presented by Redstate. Referenced articles are from Ley General de Población (English version):

-- Foreigners are admitted into Mexico ”according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

-- Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

-- Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

-- The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)


If it is okay for Mexico to have such immigration laws, which are far more draconian than ours, why is it so evil for a supposedly sovereign nation to control our own borders?

clocker
08-11-2010, 02:53 PM
Why are all of the Hispanic majority countries from Mexico all the way down to Chile such horrible places to live?

My brother lives in Mexico and I can assure you it's not a "horrible place to live".



I'm not following you. How does China come into this picture. Please explain.
China, until recently the agrarian paradise you envision, is now facing a massive migration of people from the rural to the urban centers.
Nobody- not even the Chinese peasant (and make no mistake...what you're describing will simply result in a massive "white" peasant class)- wants to spend their lives endlessly toiling in the fields.

However, make things simple...ignore the Chinese reference and address the other questions I posed.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 03:17 PM
The math has already been done for you. Its been done over and over and over. You either choose to accept it, and be enlightened, Or, you can ignore it and make up your own facts. If the white majority isnt threatened why does it have its panties all in a bunch?

It assumes that whites won't start having big families again. I think that is about to change. And your dreams of Hispanic majority will come crashing down.

But you know what? Even assuming whites will stop being in the majority in 2050, it simply means there will be no majority. Whites will still be the largest population for a very long time to come. The rest will be divided up between Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, and others. Remember, this is not South Africa. They were never in the majority in South Africa, nor anywhere close to even half the population. You cannot expect the same thing that happened in South Africa to happen here. The numbers simply don't support it.

Now, since you refused to answer this question last time, here it is again...

Why are all of the Hispanic majority countries from Mexico all the way down to Chile such horrible places to live?

Why are so many of them trying to come to the United States?

If you succeed in making the U.S. a Hispanic majority country, what will you have accomplished? It will become just as horrible as Mexico with a horrible standard of living.

So in reality, you should be glad that you are fortunate enough to live in a wonderful white majority country, and you should do everything you can to keep it that way so your standard of living doesn't fall back to that of Mexico's standard of living.

Again, i thank my stars that you're in a small little NOBODY in a town full of NOTHING. You and your idiotic, pathetic, delusional views will die with you in the middle of NOWHERE!!!!! Just like that other mongoloid from NM.

You want to assume Whites will start to reproduce in large numbers again? Fine. If thats the case, them homely-looking white girls will be reproducing with us. You're fuckt literally.

999969999
08-11-2010, 04:53 PM
My brother lives in Mexico and I can assure you it's not a "horrible place to live".



Then why are millions of Mexicans so desperate to get across the border that they risk dying in the desert, and getting killed by "coyotes" (human smugglers)?

There is something wrong with Hispanic culture that makes all their countries suck so much that they are all desperate to leave their homelands and come to the United States.

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 04:55 PM
Again, i thank my stars that you're in a small little NOBODY in a town full of NOTHING. You and your idiotic, pathetic, delusional views will die with you in the middle of NOWHERE!!!!! Just like that other mongoloid from NM.

You want to assume Whites will start to reproduce in large numbers again? Fine. If thats the case, them homely-looking white girls will be reproducing with us. You're fuckt literally.

1. This. :)
2. I lived in Southern Idaho for a couple of years. There were lots of Mormons and Mexicans. The Mormon girls married the white Mormons, but had no problem "hanging out" with the Mexican boys outside of school. A "good Mormon girl" has to practice, right? :lol:

Guys like this 9's fella make me wonder how the technology of the internet even arrived at their door. :unsure:

999969999
08-11-2010, 05:07 PM
It assumes that whites won't start having big families again. I think that is about to change. And your dreams of Hispanic majority will come crashing down.

But you know what? Even assuming whites will stop being in the majority in 2050, it simply means there will be no majority. Whites will still be the largest population for a very long time to come. The rest will be divided up between Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, and others. Remember, this is not South Africa. They were never in the majority in South Africa, nor anywhere close to even half the population. You cannot expect the same thing that happened in South Africa to happen here. The numbers simply don't support it.

Now, since you refused to answer this question last time, here it is again...

Why are all of the Hispanic majority countries from Mexico all the way down to Chile such horrible places to live?

Why are so many of them trying to come to the United States?

If you succeed in making the U.S. a Hispanic majority country, what will you have accomplished? It will become just as horrible as Mexico with a horrible standard of living.

So in reality, you should be glad that you are fortunate enough to live in a wonderful white majority country, and you should do everything you can to keep it that way so your standard of living doesn't fall back to that of Mexico's standard of living.

Again, i thank my stars that you're in a small little NOBODY in a town full of NOTHING. You and your idiotic, pathetic, delusional views will die with you in the middle of NOWHERE!!!!! Just like that other mongoloid from NM.

You want to assume Whites will start to reproduce in large numbers again? Fine. If thats the case, them homely-looking white girls will be reproducing with us. You're fuckt literally.

I'm glad I don't live in Phoenix where it is hot as hell half the year, and where there is so much crime thanks to the wonderfully progressive Hispanic culture of Mexico taking over central Phoenix.

In Eagar, I rarely see anyone who is not white. It's very nice here.

You fail to address the fact that whites are in the majority now, and if they start to have more children, they will stay in the majority.

Even if we fall below 51%, we will still be at 49% or so, and Hispanics will still not be anywhere close to that number. There will still be more of us than you. For a long, long time. You will not live long enough to see that change.

And oh, I feel so sorry for you, because, there will simply be no majority in that case, and the scary, evil whitey will still be the largest population in the United States for a long, long time.

And 2050 is still 40 years away. "There's many a slip 'twixt a cup and a lip." Something terrible may happen along the way that will not go well for you and your people. I think you know what I am talking about, but I dare not mention it on a public forum like this.

Well, since you dipped to that level of insulting, my girlfriend is blonde. I'd rather date a beautiful blonde than a Hispanic any day.

999969999
08-11-2010, 05:11 PM
And since you conveniently failed to respond to this last time, I'm bringing it back again...

"Mexico's immigration laws are codified in what's called Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population. You can read the Spanish-language version HERE, or a Google English version HERE.

Some examples, as presented by Redstate. Referenced articles are from Ley General de Población (English version):

-- Foreigners are admitted into Mexico ”according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

-- Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

-- Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

-- The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)


If it is okay for Mexico to have such immigration laws, which are far more draconian than ours, why is it so evil for a supposedly sovereign nation to control our own borders?

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 05:17 PM
One of the MANY glaring problems with yer logics there, 9's, is that most of us "whites" don't care about being in the majority, aren't racist fukin' idiots, and are pretty pleasant to everyone. We're called Americans...

You are a dinosaur, one that is happily due for extinction/extermination/eradication from anyone's gene pool. Good to hear you have a pretty blonde sister/girlfriend. Email leet her address so he can stop by and "spice up her life" a bit. :naughty:

999969999
08-11-2010, 05:29 PM
One of the MANY glaring problems with yer logics there, 9's, is that most of us "whites" don't care about being in the majority, aren't racist fukin' idiots, and are pretty pleasant to everyone. We're called Americans...

You are a dinosaur, one that is happily due for extinction/extermination/eradication from anyone's gene pool. Good to hear you have a pretty blonde sister/girlfriend. Email leet her address so he can stop by and "spice up her life" a bit. :naughty:

You are a huge part of the problem. You are what we call a "Useful Idiot" for the Reconquista movement. You have not been paying attention to what your racist Hispanic "buddy" Leet has been saying. If he gets his way, you will be the one headed for extermination. You won't fight back. I'll bet you don't even own a gun because you are probably one of those left wing commies who are afraid of them and think it's wrong to defend yourself.

You certainly don't care about America protecting its own sovereignty. Fortunately, I think you will see that you are greatly outnumbered in coming elections.

I'm fairly certain that I will have a lot of children and my genes will continue flowing into the future for many generations to come. And I will teach them to be like me.

999969999
08-11-2010, 05:30 PM
And since you conveniently failed to respond to this last time, I'm bringing it back again...

"Mexico's immigration laws are codified in what's called Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population. You can read the Spanish-language version HERE, or a Google English version HERE.

Some examples, as presented by Redstate. Referenced articles are from Ley General de Población (English version):

-- Foreigners are admitted into Mexico ”according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

-- Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

-- Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

-- The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)


If it is okay for Mexico to have such immigration laws, which are far more draconian than ours, why is it so evil for a supposedly sovereign nation to control our own borders?


EDIT-- I find it very interesting that none of the libs, pro-illegal immigration posters want to touch this with a ten foot pole.

clocker
08-11-2010, 05:38 PM
My brother lives in Mexico and I can assure you it's not a "horrible place to live".



Then why are millions of Mexicans so desperate to get across the border that they risk dying in the desert, and getting killed by "coyotes" (human smugglers)?

There is something wrong with Hispanic culture that makes all their countries suck so much that they are all desperate to leave their homelands and come to the United States.
Why do millions of Americans live in Mexico then?



I'm glad I don't live in Phoenix where it is hot as hell half the year, and where there is so much crime thanks to the wonderfully progressive Hispanic culture of Mexico taking over central Phoenix.


Crime rates in Phoenix have been dropping.

In Phoenix, police spokesman Trent Crump said, "Despite all the hype, in every single reportable crime category, we're significantly down." Mr. Crump said Phoenix's most recent data for 2010 indicated still lower crime. For the first quarter of 2010, violent crime was down 17% overall in the city, while homicides were down 38% and robberies 27%, compared with the same period in 2009.

Arizona's major cities all registered declines. A perceived rise in crime is one reason often cited by proponents of a new law intended to crack down on illegal immigration. The number of kidnappings reported in Phoenix, which hit 368 in 2008, was also down, though police officials didn't have exact figures.

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 05:42 PM
One of the MANY glaring problems with yer logics there, 9's, is that most of us "whites" don't care about being in the majority, aren't racist fukin' idiots, and are pretty pleasant to everyone. We're called Americans...

You are a dinosaur, one that is happily due for extinction/extermination/eradication from anyone's gene pool. Good to hear you have a pretty blonde sister/girlfriend. Email leet her address so he can stop by and "spice up her life" a bit. :naughty:

You are a huge part of the problem. You are what we call a "Useful Idiot" for the Reconquista movement. You have not been paying attention to what your racist Hispanic "buddy" Leet has been saying. If he gets his way, you will be the one headed for extermination. You won't fight back. I'll bet you don't even own a gun because you are probably one of those left wing commies who are afraid of them and think it's wrong to defend yourself.

You certainly don't care about America protecting its own sovereignty. Fortunately, I think you will see that you are greatly outnumbered in coming elections.

I'm fairly certain that I will have a lot of children and my genes will continue flowing into the future for many generations to come. And I will teach them to be like me.

I've got plenty of guns. Leet is my friend. You are a LONG way from anyone I would consider befriending. If it were to be a choice between hard-working Mexicans who have risked their lives to get here, and some do-nothing Amusement park connoisseur, I'll let Leet use my gun to shoot you. His cousins can have yer wimmins.

You are sounding more, and more, like a troll. And an idiot. Which is it? :lol:

999969999
08-11-2010, 05:49 PM
You are a huge part of the problem. You are what we call a "Useful Idiot" for the Reconquista movement. You have not been paying attention to what your racist Hispanic "buddy" Leet has been saying. If he gets his way, you will be the one headed for extermination. You won't fight back. I'll bet you don't even own a gun because you are probably one of those left wing commies who are afraid of them and think it's wrong to defend yourself.

You certainly don't care about America protecting its own sovereignty. Fortunately, I think you will see that you are greatly outnumbered in coming elections.

I'm fairly certain that I will have a lot of children and my genes will continue flowing into the future for many generations to come. And I will teach them to be like me.

I've got plenty of guns. Leet is my friend. You are a LONG way from anyone I would consider befriending. If it were to be a choice between hard-working Mexicans who have risked their lives to get here, and some do-nothing Amusement park connoisseur, I'll let Leet use my gun to shoot you. His cousins can have yer wimmins.

You are sounding more, and more, like a troll. And an idiot. Which is it? :lol:

Yep, I thought so, you are a useful idiot... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

In political jargon, the term useful idiot was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries and the attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that though the person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of the Soviets or other Communists, they were actually held in contempt by them, and were being cynically used.

The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

Contents [hide]
1 Origins
1.1 Lenin and Stalin
2 Modern usage
3 See also
4 External links
5 Further reading
6 References

[edit] Origins
[edit] Lenin and Stalin
The term is commonly attributed to Lenin and Stalin, sometimes in the form "useful idiots of the West", to describe those Western reporters and travelers who would endorse the Soviet Union and its policies in the West. In fact, the earliest known usage is in a 1948 New York Times article on Italian politics. [1] In 1987, Grant Harris, senior reference librarian at the Library of Congress, said "We have not been able to identify this phrase [useful idiots of the West] among [Lenin's] published works."[2] [3].

A 2010 BBC documentary lists among useful idiots of Stalin several prominent British writers: H. G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw and Doris Lessing[4].

[edit] Modern usage
"Useful idiot" is often used as a perjorative term for those who are seen to unwittingly support a malign cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good. For example, the term has been used by some commentators (often on the political 'right') to describe people they believe are effectively supporting Islamic terrorism, often by favouring an approach based on appeasement. For example, Anthony Browne wrote in the United Kingdom newspaper, The Times:[5]

“ Elements within the British establishment were notoriously sympathetic to Hitler. Today the Islamists enjoy similar support. In the 1930s it was Edward VIII, aristocrats and the Daily Mail; this time it is left-wing activists, The Guardian and sections of the BBC. They may not want a global theocracy, but they are like the West’s apologists for the Soviet Union — useful idiots.

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 05:53 PM
Yep, I thought so, you are a useful idiot... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

You get all your "data" from wikipedia, don't you?

Un-beneficial, racist, idiots: Non-wiki link (http://www.eagaraz.gov/)... :D

999969999
08-11-2010, 06:02 PM
Yep, I thought so, you are a useful idiot... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

You get all your "data" from wikipedia, don't you?

Un-beneficial, racist, idiots: Non-wiki link (http://www.eagaraz.gov/)... :D

The implication was that though the person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of Leet, they were actually held in contempt by them, and were being cynically used.

"Useful idiot" is often used as a perjorative term for those who are seen to unwittingly support a malign cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good. : )

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 06:11 PM
Yes, yes. Risking their lives to live here in sub-standard conditions with sub-standard wages, doing jobs that most Americans find "beneath them", is a huge threat to our way of life. They may even become rooted here, get educated and get better jobs than a myopic pinhead like you could ever get. Now that is the fear, isn't it? That someone could work hard, better themselves and their family, and be better at it than you, right? Competition sucks in your little, "I deserve it because my parents fucked here first" mentality.

999969999
08-11-2010, 07:09 PM
Yes, yes. Risking their lives to live here in sub-standard conditions with sub-standard wages, doing jobs that most Americans find "beneath them", is a huge threat to our way of life. They may even become rooted here, get educated and get better jobs than a myopic pinhead like you could ever get. Now that is the fear, isn't it? That someone could work hard, better themselves and their family, and be better at it than you, right? Competition sucks in your little, "I deserve it because my parents fucked here first" mentality.

Alas, the oft repeated poor immigrant story. They're just coming here to work hard. If only it were true.
What do you think is making the state government go bankrupt? When Mexico dumps all of its poor and unskilled and uneducated people on us in a short amount of time, who gets to pay for it? The state government of Arizona. This is why there is supposed to be an orderly and lawful immigration process.

But here is the threat to the current American standard of living... people who think there is nothing wrong with saying this: Quoted from the first page [from your buddy leet]"Whats happening in Arizona are the DEATH THROWS of a DYiNG race!!!!!"

You have no problem with that statement? If you say no, you truly are a useful idiot.

Now once again, ignore the post above about Mexico's immigration laws.

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 07:40 PM
The (overly repeated) Mexican laws are designed to keep a massive influx of American companies from moving in and exploiting their workers. Tens of thousands of retired Americans are very comfortably living there, and are welcome.

My friend, Leet, was reacting to hostile laws being enacted directly against him and his family. I would not be nice either. Honestly, it is only the racist law(s) and people like you he has a problem with. I am opposed to both myself.

Do you actually believe poor (litterally) Mexicans are coming here to conquer? :rolleyes: Most of them are FAR too busy trying to eat and take care of their families. It is only when they get settled that they start to concern themselves with politics- that is, UNLESS laws are enacted that threaten their basic needs.

If the US companies were not exporting jobs overseas, we would be hiring, and welcoming more, immigrants. Again, the American corporations are to blame. NOT the immigrants.

Also, do some research into American corn subsidies and what they have done to Mexican farmers. We (American corps) sell corn- the major source of livelihood and sustenance for Mexicans, BELOW THE COST OF PRODUCTION THERE. We fucked 'em. Now they are starving and desperate to find work. Since they have little experience/education in other jobs, they come here, where the jobs are.

Watch Food, Inc.. It'll open your eyes to what is actually going on outside of Wankerville.

clocker
08-11-2010, 08:23 PM
EDIT-- I find it very interesting that none of the libs, pro-illegal immigration posters want to touch this with a ten foot pole.
You have made two completely illogical and fallacious assumptions.
No one is "pro" illegal immigration...not even liberals.
Actually, I take that back....corporations who depend on cheap unorganized labor pools are but they are typically NOT liberal.

I object to the focus of all your free-range rage.
You rant against all the individuals at the bottom of the food chain and give a free pass to the corporations who benefit.
You hold up your local pissant Sheriff Joe as the savior of the white race because he corrals a few undocumented workers but how much more effective do you think it'd be to fine the business owners a million bucks for every undocumented worker found on their premises?

As for the Mexican laws you're so fascinated with...I say again, so what?
Why does it matter to us?
Don't we make laws (at least in theory) based on our perception of right and wrong?
In Iran you can be stoned to death (especially if you're female) for adultery, so, should we do that too?

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 08:42 PM
No one is "pro" illegal immigration...not even liberals.
Actually, I take that back....corporations who depend on cheap unorganized labor pools are but they are typically NOT liberal.

I am actually sympathetic to a good percentage of the "illegals" due to the fact that I would do whatever necessary to provide for my family.

I would not stand by and watch anyone starve, or go without basic medical attention. This is what 9's would be quite comfortable doing. Why? Because they are not white Americans- therefore, not WORTHY of compassion, or care.

And...the fact that American corn subsidies have played a HUGE role in destabilizing the Mexican economy (intentionally?) and CREATED much of the country's, and individual's, hardship.

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 09:43 PM
Something you need to understand, "9", is that 99.999969999% of my encounters with White people have been nothing but pleasant. There are millions of people just like MBM, that are coo peeps and just wanna live like everyone else, IN PEACE. Many of those same "down ass White folk", protested along with us, and in some cases stood in front of us to get arrested ON PURPOSE. You get mad because I pulled your ultimate racist nerve with "Death Throws of a DYing Race"? YOURE TRULY RETARDED AS THIS IS MEANT TO ANTAGONIZE RACIST IDIOTS LIKE YOURSELF. We "Mexicans", could never in a million years fuck all the white out 'cha....We will have a MIXed RACE!!! :partytime What happens when i say that, is Racist White Supremecists, like yourself, get all Helter skelter. Dude, youre seriously pathetic. Furthermore, you're saying something really bad is going to happen to all my people? Sounds like a homegrown terrorist. But, as i stated, you scare NO ONE but yo MOMMs.

And just so you can shut the fuck up. I dont care what the fuck you "think" you know about mexican immigration. EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN gets treated like fucking ROYALTY there. They fucking run to serve you for ONE dollar!!!!! No one wants to hurt americans or run them out, ya MORON. They bring Money, and therefore bring food to families that need it. Mexican culture is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! But then again you'd never know because youre not cultured enough to go there. If you would, i guarantee you wouldnt want to come back. REAL TALK FOO!!!!!!!!

l33tpirata13
08-11-2010, 09:52 PM
Oh, and im definately not a RACIST by any means. Ive cocked plenty a white, asian, black, pr, polish, brazilian, and even russian babes. Theres enough mojo to go around BAAAABY!!!!! GGGGrowl!!!!!!!!

megabyteme
08-11-2010, 10:51 PM
There are millions of people just like MBM, that are coo peeps and just wanna live like everyone else, IN PEACE.

There's lots o' cool peeps, lots who agree with me, but only ONE, "MBM". :01:

l33tpirata13
08-12-2010, 12:20 AM
There are millions of people just like MBM, that are coo peeps and just wanna live like everyone else, IN PEACE.

There's lots o' cool peeps, lots who agree with me, but only ONE, "MBM". :01:

I'll vouch for that. Thank goodness for REAL AMERICANS!!!!!!! This one's for you MBM, and for all the REAL AMERICANS out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dwPJtbZAQo&feature=fvst

megabyteme
08-12-2010, 01:23 AM
Thanks, Leet. LOL! Truth be told, I'm more Al Bundy than He-Man. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGNn9-9hCJ4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNQIdKrb1g

999969999
08-12-2010, 01:52 PM
Useful Idiots like Megashit and Clocky are really quite pathetic.

leet is jumping up and down and clapping his hands shouting about how he wants Megashit's race to die. He wants people who look like Megashit to die. He wants Megashit to die and go extinct. He wants Megashit's children and grandchildren to never exist. It's really a very hostile and racist statement.

But what does the Useful Idiot say in response? Leet is my friend. I support his open borders/pro-illegal immigration movement. They are just coming here to work hard and do jobs that Americans won't do.

How pathetic is that?

Leet got his ideas most likely from liberal teachers who are part of the open borders/pro-illegal immigration/Reconquista/Aztlan/MECHA/La Raza movement who at taxpayer expense are teaching this garbage under the guise of "ethnic studies."

Useful Idiots continue to support this movement and repeat its mantras, all the while the movement wants them dead. At the very least, the movement wants them to be removed from power.

If the movement is successful it will be because of Useful Idiots like Megashit. He is, in essence, a traitor.

It makes me wonder if Liberals hate themselves.

Unlike the European immigrants who came here and assimilated and became Americans, Hispanic immigrants don't want to assimilate. They want to change the demographics of the country and change the country into what they came from.

Just look at South Phoenix and West Phoenix. And then compare those neighborhoods to Scottsdale or Fountain Hills. What do you see?


If you want to see what this movement is all about, go here...

http://www.aztlan.net/

999969999
08-12-2010, 02:03 PM
http://www.aztlan.net/homeland.htm

l33tpirata13
08-12-2010, 02:13 PM
http://www.aztlan.net/homeland.htm

That WEBSITE is Pathetic. Just like you.

l33tpirata13
08-12-2010, 02:18 PM
Useful Idiots like Megashit and Clocky are really quite pathetic.

leet is jumping up and down and clapping his hands shouting about how he wants Megashit's race to die. He wants people who look like Megashit to die. He wants Megashit to die and go extinct. He wants Megashit's children and grandchildren to never exist. It's really a very hostile and racist statement.

But what does the Useful Idiot say in response? Leet is my friend. I support his open borders/pro-illegal immigration movement. They are just coming here to work hard and do jobs that Americans won't do.

How pathetic is that?

Leet got his ideas most likely from liberal teachers who are part of the open borders/pro-illegal immigration/Reconquista/Aztlan/MECHA/La Raza movement who at taxpayer expense are teaching this garbage under the guise of "ethnic studies."

Useful Idiots continue to support this movement and repeat its mantras, all the while the movement wants them dead. At the very least, the movement wants them to be removed from power.

If the movement is successful it will be because of Useful Idiots like Megashit. He is, in essence, a traitor.

It makes me wonder if Liberals hate themselves.

Unlike the European immigrants who came here and assimilated and became Americans, Hispanic immigrants don't want to assimilate. They want to change the demographics of the country and change the country into what they came from.

Just look at South Phoenix and West Phoenix. And then compare those neighborhoods to Scottsdale or Fountain Hills. What do you see?


If you want to see what this movement is all about, go here...

http://www.aztlan.net/

Can't wait till you have a half Latino/White Grandchild. Or better yet, I could introduce your girl to my boy Reggie (He's really really Black). Im sure she'd love that tree trunk all up in her. GUY, YOU ARE NOT A REAL AMERICAN!!!!! You're a garden variety racist asshole with absolutely no life outside of your little safe bubble. Do you really believe sensible people are on YOUR side? You're small and even your best effort won't stop whats coming. How do expect any Teabagger or Republican to take ANY office without Latino support? Mormons? That's a Laugh. And you're a joke. Many Many people, like MBM, CLOCKER, and DEVILSADVOCATE stood up with us, and will continue to. That lets me KNOW for a fact Latinos will be A-OK. Dimwits like yourself WILL fall in line. You can bank on that!!!!!!!

devilsadvocate
08-12-2010, 02:39 PM
Unlike the European immigrants who came here and assimilated and became Americans, Hispanic immigrants don't want to assimilate. They want to change the demographics of the country and change the country into what they came from.



European immigrants didn't assimilate, they committed genocide on the indigenous population to build America in their own image.

Even later in history when most of the pioneering had been done, immigrants came over and kept their "old country" traditions. We got to where we are now by absorbing immigrant traditions into America, not the other way round.

l33tpirata13
08-12-2010, 02:49 PM
Useful Idiots like Myself, love to listen to, and take directives from, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Even though they have no ethics, and are blatantly racist, they help me cope with and understand my hatred for my fellow man. I love to be their TOOL since i have no brain. I actively choose not to Google the information they spew out that shit-hole they call a mouth to do simple fact checks. I rarely, if ever, get out of Eagar and when I do I'm scared by seeing society progress. Seeing White people with Latino and Black partners really gets on my nerves. Especially since I know for a fact that their children would be abominations. I heard it on Rush's talk show, so its fact. By the way does anyone wanna sell their GOLD?

I understand. You have very little education and no social training. It's not your fault, you don't know any better. It's Beck's and Limbaugh's fault since they knowingly take advantage of USEFUL IDIOTS like yourself.

l33tpirata13
08-12-2010, 03:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV7_l_HVUgM&NR=1

Is it just me, or do these jagoffs seem like all they do is drink beer and beat their dog? I would say wife, but seriously, who'd marry that?

clocker
08-12-2010, 04:36 PM
Useful Idiots like Megashit and Clocky are really quite pathetic.


My idiocy has never been in question but I'm glad to find myself useful to someone.

Cabalo
08-12-2010, 05:34 PM
Guys, guys...
I'm getting reports this thread is going a bit out of hand and random insults are being thrown around quite regularly. I strongly suggest to moderate the tone, as this is the drawing room, not the lounge. This goes mostly to l33tpirata13, you have been warned before.
This is just the internet, don't make it such a serious environment where you will lose your temper for online discussions with individuals you have never met in your real life.

Take it easy.

megabyteme
08-12-2010, 08:00 PM
Useful Idiots like Megashit and Clocky are really quite pathetic.

leet is jumping up and down and clapping his hands shouting about how he wants Megashit's race to die. He wants people who look like Megashit to die. He wants Megashit to die and go extinct. He wants Megashit's children and grandchildren to never exist. It's really a very hostile and racist statement.

But what does the Useful Idiot say in response? Leet is my friend. I support his open borders/pro-illegal immigration movement. They are just coming here to work hard and do jobs that Americans won't do.

How pathetic is that?

Leet got his ideas most likely from liberal teachers who are part of the open borders/pro-illegal immigration/Reconquista/Aztlan/MECHA/La Raza movement who at taxpayer expense are teaching this garbage under the guise of "ethnic studies."

Useful Idiots continue to support this movement and repeat its mantras, all the while the movement wants them dead. At the very least, the movement wants them to be removed from power.

If the movement is successful it will be because of Useful Idiots like Megashit. He is, in essence, a traitor.

It makes me wonder if Liberals hate themselves.

Unlike the European immigrants who came here and assimilated and became Americans, Hispanic immigrants don't want to assimilate. They want to change the demographics of the country and change the country into what they came from.

Just look at South Phoenix and West Phoenix. And then compare those neighborhoods to Scottsdale or Fountain Hills. What do you see?


If you want to see what this movement is all about, go here...

http://www.aztlan.net/

You aren't even worthy of a real response. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

999969999
08-12-2010, 10:03 PM
Hey, l33t, I think skiz was referring to constructive discussion.

I am sure you have read my posts here, and I am with your sentiments (no trick :P ), but the discussion won't go anywhere if it is filled with over-the-top comments from either side.

We both know that Arizona (among others) is treating the Mexican and Mexican-American populations improperly. Let's let sound arguments drown out the injustice.

I haven't even brought up corn subsidies crippling the Mexican farmers' livelihood and forcing them to find work elsewhere...

ill try not being such a dick. really i will. but dude, look where he's coming from. Believe me when i say that whats happening in AZ doesnt scare me at all. honestly, i know its not going anywhere. besides, someone like me would bankroll off of all the lawsuits i could produce. What really REALLY irks me is all these racists coming out of the woodwork. And they are around my age too, i thought our generation was a bit more tolerant and understanding. I honestly feel let down.

Well, just because we're young, doesn't mean we're stupid. We've figured out we're being screwed by our own government that is supposed to protect us from an outright invasion from Mexico.

megabyteme
08-12-2010, 10:20 PM
Well, just because we're young, doesn't mean we're stupid. We've figured out we're being screwed by our own government that is supposed to protect us from an outright invasion from Mexico.

I actually had staff look at your IP to see if you were a troll, or a doop account. OMFG, you REALLY believe we are being "invaded". By...wait for it...OUT OF WORK MEXICANS- who are half dead from the trip here when they arrive.

Could you pick a weaker enemy? C'mon. There IS something to be said about how we are reflected in the enemies we choose. Strong men, chose strong opponents. From EVERYTHING I have seen of you, you are neither.

I know it's getting towards evening there now, and you have to get ready for your KKK rally, but it has been a laugh, yet again. Thanks!


*EDIT* Since we are being "civil" now, I should explain the KKK comment. While you have not made reference to being a member, your BELIEFS AND VALUES go hand-in-hand with those of racist, violent, ignorant hate groups. So, if you are not ALREADY a member, join. Be PROUD of what you are. Walk down the street in your white sheets/ shaved head and black boots and SEE just how much of a "majority" your views TRULY ARE. :lol:

clocker
08-12-2010, 11:21 PM
Well, just because we're young, doesn't mean we're stupid.
Doesn't mean you're smart though.

We've figured out we're being screwed by our own government that is supposed to protect us from an outright invasion from Mexico.
How did you "figure this out"?
From previous posts, it sounds like you lead a pretty idyllic life, so how has this government conspiracy affected you?

devilsadvocate
08-13-2010, 12:06 AM
Well, just because we're young, doesn't mean we're stupid. We've figured out we're being screwed by our own government that is supposed to protect us from an outright invasion from Mexico.

I can picture you in 1938 panicking because the radio said the aliens were invading

999969999
08-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Well, just because we're young, doesn't mean we're stupid. We've figured out we're being screwed by our own government that is supposed to protect us from an outright invasion from Mexico.

I actually had staff look at your IP to see if you were a troll, or a doop account. OMFG, you REALLY believe we are being "invaded". By...wait for it...OUT OF WORK MEXICANS- who are half dead from the trip here when they arrive.

Could you pick a weaker enemy? C'mon. There IS something to be said about how we are reflected in the enemies we choose. Strong men, chose strong opponents. From EVERYTHING I have seen of you, you are neither.

I know it's getting towards evening there now, and you have to get ready for your KKK rally, but it has been a laugh, yet again. Thanks!


*EDIT* Since we are being "civil" now, I should explain the KKK comment. While you have not made reference to being a member, your BELIEFS AND VALUES go hand-in-hand with those of racist, violent, ignorant hate groups. So, if you are not ALREADY a member, join. Be PROUD of what you are. Walk down the street in your white sheets/ shaved head and black boots and SEE just how much of a "majority" your views TRULY ARE. :lol:



Ha! What a surprise it must have been for you to suddenly realize that people with an opposite point of view do really exist! How dare anyone think differently than you!

And the tired old game of liberals throwing up the word “racist” every time you want to silence dissent may have worked on my grandparents, but it’s not going to work on me, because I don’t care. If it is okay for them to be racist against us, then it is okay for us to be racist back at them. My generation is the beginning of a backlash against the liberal establishment. We realize we have been screwed and sold down the river by the liberal establishment, and so we have nothing but contempt for it. We do not fear it, and we certainly do not respect it.

The liberal establishment not only ignores racist words and actions from Hispanic groups, but it has institutionalized racism against whites through “affirmative action” programs (reverse discrimination) and by treating blatantly and openly racist organizations such as La Raza (the KKK of Hispanics) as if they were mainstream organizations worthy of liberal praise and adoration (not to mention funding), and by the teaching of racist “ethnic studies“ in some public schools.

A good example of this liberal mindset is in this thread. If you go back and read every page of this thread you will find that leet has made a lot of blatantly and openly racist comments as well as some very anti-American comments (such as the ones about the Alamo), but yet the libs either ignored these comments or in some cases joined in and encouraged them. In the liberal mindset, racism is good as long as it is against white people.

I assume that many of the ideas from leet were spoon fed to him by ethnic studies classes as well as the broader La Raza movement in general.

As for the KKK, I would never join such an organization. They have absolutely no political power and are really a dead end for business contacts as well.

Since I’m L.D.S., I’m already a member of a much more powerful organization (at least in the western states) with some very high political and business connections and a great place for employment networking.

Depending upon which poll you trust, somewhere between 52% and 78% of Arizonans are in favor of SB 1070. And about 60% of Americans nationwide support SB 1070. I would say we are the silent majority and we were asleep, but now we are starting to wake up and see what is happening to our country and we are angry about it. So now, get ready for the silent majority to begin to roar. We have just begun the fight to take our country back from the liberal establishment.

megabyteme
08-13-2010, 03:18 PM
You are just a crazy little guy, aren't you? :lol:

I would be willing to bet you don't talk like this in public. Even you have got to know just how nuts your beliefs are. Go back to page 15 and watch the "Race War" clip (again). That's a freakin' crazy as you sound when you say any of this. :slap:

But you are awesome. Don't let the world tell you otherwise- somebody calls you a "racist" (who actually knows the history, and full stupidity behind the word)- you OWN that shit. Make it yours. Hell, I'll send you a shirt if you are willing to wear it around Wankerville and get some pics taken.

Enjoy your LSD! It seems to be quite powerful. :yes:

999969999
08-13-2010, 10:46 PM
Well, just because we're young, doesn't mean we're stupid. We've figured out we're being screwed by our own government that is supposed to protect us from an outright invasion from Mexico.

I can picture you in 1938 panicking because the radio said the aliens were invading


I have to admit that this one actually made me laugh out loud.

The only reason I come to this forum is for a few laughs, and devilsadvocate is usually the funniest poster on here, followed closely by good old Clocky.

The rest of you are way down on the list funniest posters. But still somewhat amusing.

clocker
08-13-2010, 11:01 PM
If you could repress your amusement for a few seconds, perhaps you could address some of my more recent questions...then we could all laugh some more.
I realize you're probably very busy impregnating young Mormon girls to build up your western majority, so take your time.

Rart
08-13-2010, 11:22 PM
Alright, this is the little blurb for the forum description.



For (serious) discussions on any topic.
NOTE: This forum will be moderated strictly to keep discussions on-topic.

The outright flaming, hostility, racism, etc. needs to stop now(I'm looking at you l33tpirata13). While I'm not a huge fan of cracking down on a discussion, you've already been warned multiple times by multiple mods.

Keep the discussion clean, folks.

megabyteme
08-13-2010, 11:47 PM
How is it that the Mods keep missing the blatant racism of 9's and want to continuously point the finger at L33t? :unsure:

L33t has even explained the inflammatory nature of his comments as a means to rile up an admitted white supremacist. :frusty:

How is L33t supposed to take a topic like this (one where laws are being enacted by racist idiots, that effect his family directly) when pure racist crap is being spewed at him? :ermm:

Mods, you are missing the picture here...

999969999
08-14-2010, 01:07 PM
From: They Might Be Giants' "I Should Be Allowed To Think" song:


I saw the best minds of my generation
Destroyed by madness, starving, hysterical
I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think

I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
If by random whim, one occurs to me
If necessary, leave paper stains on the grey utility pole

I saw the worst bands of my generation
applied by magic marker to dry wall
I should be allowed to shoot my mouth off
I should have a call in show

I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
If by random whim, one occurs to me
If necessary, leave paper stains on the grey utility pole

I am not allowed
To ever come up with a single original thought
I am not allowed
To meet the criminal government agent who oppresses me

I was the worst hope of my generation
Destroyed by madness, starving, hysterical
I should be allowed to share my feelings
I should be allowed to feel

I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
If by random whim one occurs to me
But sadly, this can never be

I am not allowed to think
I am not allowed to think
I am not allowed to think (I am not allowed to think)
I am not allowed to think (I am not allowed to think)
I am not allowed to think (I am not allowed to think)
I am not allowed to think (I am not allowed to think)




:)

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 04:00 PM
Well 9's, as long as you stick solely to copy and pasting, your point(s) might remain valid.

:)

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 04:38 PM
Alright, this is the little blurb for the forum description.



For (serious) discussions on any topic.
NOTE: This forum will be moderated strictly to keep discussions on-topic.

The outright flaming, hostility, racism, etc. needs to stop now(I'm looking at you l33tpirata13). While I'm not a huge fan of cracking down on a discussion, you've already been warned multiple times by multiple mods.

Keep the discussion clean, folks.

Dude why is it you only pay attention to what you want? Do you not read the flat out racist statements made by ANYONE? Or do you just have it out for me? Why dont you address "9", statement where he states "something really bad is going to happen to my people"? I'm thinking you may want something really bad to happen to my peeps too. And also, ( i suspect its you) my posts get deleted by someone. What was deleted wasnt even offensive at all, but It did make racists look stupid. Is that why you delete it? It wouldnt be the first time you censor what you want. Who do i report RART to?

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 04:51 PM
L33t,

I'm not sure about the missing post(s), but there is a bias against you here. Hopefully, it will get resolved soon...

I get the feeling that no one who is participating in this thread is complaining. Perhaps all interested parties should agree to take it to the Lounge.

Thoughts?

*EDIT* BTW, I don't think Rart is the one behind it. I believe he just started reading yesterday, after cabalo asked other mods to look into it.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 04:53 PM
And 2050 is still 40 years away. "There's many a slip 'twixt a cup and a lip." Something terrible may happen along the way that will not go well for you and your people. I think you know what I am talking about, but I dare not mention it on a public forum like this.


Does this post get your OK RART? I wanna know because then i can start making thinly veiled threats without any consequence.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 04:59 PM
L33t,

I'm not sure about the missing post(s), but there is a bias against you here. Hopefully, it will get resolved soon...

I get the feeling that no one who is participating in this thread is complaining. Perhaps all interested parties should agree to take it to the Lounge.

Thoughts?

*EDIT* BTW, I don't think Rart is the one behind it. I believe he just started reading yesterday, after cabalo asked other mods to look into it.

I would like to believe you....But, he's done it before. I post things that are benign, but prove a huge point, they magically disappear and then RART gives me an Infraction.
The last one that got deleted was about me and Grandma eating ice cream in Scottdale and feeling welcome. How is that offensive? The one before, that was erased, was me posting why SB1070 would be stricken down. I wrote that it wouldnt go anywhere because of the supremacy clause. Why would they erase that?

OH, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO TAKE THIS TO THE LOUNGE!!!!!!!!! The question is--Do J2d2, 9999939999, and skiz have the cohones?

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 05:03 PM
Hmmm. I did not know about the past, but I did read those posts. They were, indeed, benign in my book...

This thread has turned to crap for many, many reasons. Hell, I just came here to kick 9's in the teeth until he got smarter. Plans of mice and men... :(

Cabalo
08-14-2010, 05:11 PM
L33t,

I'm not sure about the missing post(s), but there is a bias against you here. Hopefully, it will get resolved soon...

I get the feeling that no one who is participating in this thread is complaining. Perhaps all interested parties should agree to take it to the Lounge.

Thoughts?

*EDIT* BTW, I don't think Rart is the one behind it. I believe he just started reading yesterday, after cabalo asked other mods to look into it.
Taking this thread to the lounge wouldn't help much, as racist remarks are not allowed throughout the entire board. It's on the board's rules.

Now, if you want to exchange insults with 9's then no one is keeping you from opening a thread at the lounge and fight each other on other terms. Though I leave this warning for all parties involved: our tolerance with veiled racist remarks is going towards zero, and you all will be stepping on thin ice.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 05:25 PM
L33t,

I'm not sure about the missing post(s), but there is a bias against you here. Hopefully, it will get resolved soon...

I get the feeling that no one who is participating in this thread is complaining. Perhaps all interested parties should agree to take it to the Lounge.

Thoughts?

*EDIT* BTW, I don't think Rart is the one behind it. I believe he just started reading yesterday, after cabalo asked other mods to look into it.
Taking this thread to the lounge wouldn't help much, as racist remarks are not allowed throughout the entire board. It's on the board's rules.

Now, if you want to exchange insults with 9's then no one is keeping you from opening a thread at the lounge and fight each other on other terms. Though I leave this warning for all parties involved: our tolerance with veiled racist remarks is going towards zero, and you all will be stepping on thin ice.

Cabalo, bro, with all due respect, if there were "a policy in effect" towards racist statements, I wouldnt have to respond aggresively to most of the posts here.

Rart
08-14-2010, 08:57 PM
L33t,

I'm not sure about the missing post(s), but there is a bias against you here. Hopefully, it will get resolved soon...


I actually have received reports from this thread from well over a month and half ago. From the start l33t has been posting extremely hostile, racist posts that aren't allowed in the rest of the forums, let alone The Drawing Room, which as mentioned, is more strictly moderated. L33t has been warned multiple times and even put on moderation, yet still doesn't seem to take a hint. And yes, I have been receiving multiple complaints on his posting habits. I won't reveal who it is unless they want to, but rest assured people have been having griped with his posting habits since long before 999969999 starting posting in the thread.

I will admit however that I haven't gone through the entire thread, which I am at fault for. I will go through it again and make a decision on the other posts in this thread.

Rart
08-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Cabalo, bro, with all due respect, if there were "a policy in effect" towards racist statements, I wouldnt have to respond aggresively to most of the posts here.

And yes, there is a "policy in effect" towards racist statements. Perhaps you should go back and review the Board Rules, which you agreed to when you joined this forum?


Rule 9 - Racism/Discrimination/Insults
There will be no offensive or inflammatory posts meant to offend or hurt any other member(s) or guest(s) of this forum. The use of racial, ethnic, gender based insults, contents or discriminatory comments of any kind will not be allowed or tolerated. Expect action against you if you do.


If you feel there were any posts violating this rule that weren't addressed, feel free to report them and they will be dealt with accordingly. We don't see them all, we miss some (which is exactly why I'll go through this thread again).

j2k4
08-14-2010, 09:11 PM
I would sincerely appreciate the pirate-person making a cohesive argument that my postage fits any definition of racism other than his own, and if he believes the question can be resolved by "taking it to the Lounge", well, feel free, chum, and take your best shot.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 09:19 PM
I would sincerely appreciate the pirate-person making a cohesive argument that my postage fits any definition of racism other than his own, and if he believes the question can be resolved by "taking it to the Lounge", well, feel free, chum, and take your best shot.

J2d2 please start the thread then.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 09:21 PM
L33t,

I'm not sure about the missing post(s), but there is a bias against you here. Hopefully, it will get resolved soon...


I actually have received reports from this thread from well over a month and half ago. From the start l33t has been posting extremely hostile, racist posts that aren't allowed in the rest of the forums, let alone The Drawing Room, which as mentioned, is more strictly moderated. L33t has been warned multiple times and even put on moderation, yet still doesn't seem to take a hint. And yes, I have been receiving multiple complaints on his posting habits. I won't reveal who it is unless they want to, but rest assured people have been having griped with his posting habits since long before 999969999 starting posting in the thread.

I will admit however that I haven't gone through the entire thread, which I am at fault for. I will go through it again and make a decision on the other posts in this thread.

So you delete the post where i showed you some straight out racist bull and you erase it? Why because you dont want anyone to know youre selectively doing your job?

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 09:24 PM
So you admit you just pass out infractions without seeing who's the real victim here? Sorry but your a terrible and biased mod. its evident by your censoring of my posts to your liking.

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 09:24 PM
A COMPLETELY, no holds barred, no mod, no whining, no fear of repercussions, Lounge discussion on such a sensitive topic could be SO fascinating.

I'm in.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 09:28 PM
And 2050 is still 40 years away. "There's many a slip 'twixt a cup and a lip." Something terrible may happen along the way that will not go well for you and your people. I think you know what I am talking about, but I dare not mention it on a public forum like this.


Since RART likes to delete posts I'll put it up again. So I ask you again, Is This Passable? Why cant I get some relief from this crap?

j2k4
08-14-2010, 09:32 PM
I would sincerely appreciate the pirate-person making a cohesive argument that my postage fits any definition of racism other than his own, and if he believes the question can be resolved by "taking it to the Lounge", well, feel free, chum, and take your best shot.

J2d2 please start the thread then.

As I said, feel free.

You may begin by quoting my post ^ for reference.

You make the accusation of racism; it is not incumbent on me to make your case.

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 09:38 PM
I will start the thread once I hear back from staff. Requested that the thread be not moderated except from outsiders complaining about the discussion.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 09:39 PM
Sounds good to me.

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Waiting...

IMO, it would be best to transfer this thread, and restore the deleted posts. We've already got "fertile soil"...

Rart
08-14-2010, 11:21 PM
So you delete the post where i showed you some straight out racist bull and you erase it? Why because you dont want anyone to know youre selectively doing your job?

No, I delete the posts that are extremely racist and against our board rules. Someone complains to me about your posts, I look into it, and act accordingly. I'm sorry that I'm just one person and can't look at every single thread and every single post made on a board. I simply just don't have the time to look at every post on the board, which is why the report section was made, so that users could help out in reporting posts that are against our rules. Now that you have made a report against 9, you have brought the issue to my attention as I haven't been reading this thread in any matter of its entirety. I will now look into it, as I've said.

And theres no need to bring in 9 to this discussion. All the warnings and infractions I have given to you were issued well before 9 starting posting in this thread, and has nothing to do with it. All your infractions were due to extremely racist, bigoted posts well crossing the boundary of whats allowed on this board. Can you look at all those quotes of posts I've deleted and say with a straight face that they weren't in any way racist or insulting? I haven't done anything wrong.

And MBM, you can post whatever you want in the lounge. It's what it's there for. Unlike this forum, which clearly stated in the blurb, will be moderated more strictly than the rest of the forum. Even so, those types of racist posts, wouldn't be accepted in say, the BT section, let alone The Drawing Room. I don't see how this point seems to just seems to completely fly over all your heads. The extremely racist posts (which I'm guessing you never saw as I've deleted them, so please don't pass judgement on leet as if he's the victim or something) will most certainly not be allowed here, nor will it ever be allowed here. If leet continues to ignore his warnings, that's his problem.

l33tpirata13
08-14-2010, 11:44 PM
So you delete the post where i showed you some straight out racist bull and you erase it? Why because you dont want anyone to know youre selectively doing your job?

No, I delete the posts that are extremely racist and against our board rules. Someone complains to me about your posts, I look into it, and act accordingly. I'm sorry that I'm just one person and can't look at every single thread and every single post made on a board. I simply just don't have the time to look at every post on the board, which is why the report section was made, so that users could help out in reporting posts that are against our rules. Now that you have made a report against 9, you have brought the issue to my attention as I haven't been reading this thread in any matter of its entirety. I will now look into it, as I've said.

And theres no need to bring in 9 to this discussion. All the warnings and infractions I have given to you were issued well before 9 starting posting in this thread, and has nothing to do with it. All your infractions were due to extremely racist, bigoted posts well crossing the boundary of whats allowed on this board. Can you look at all those quotes of posts I've deleted and say with a straight face that they weren't in any way racist or insulting? I haven't done anything wrong.

And MBM, you can post whatever you want in the lounge. It's what it's there for. Unlike this forum, which clearly stated in the blurb, will be moderated more strictly than the rest of the forum. Even so, those types of racist posts, wouldn't be accepted in say, the BT section, let alone The Drawing Room. I don't see how this point seems to just seems to completely fly over all your heads. The extremely racist posts (which I'm guessing you never saw as I've deleted them, so please don't pass judgement on leet as if he's the victim or something) will most certainly not be allowed here, nor will it ever be allowed here. If leet continues to ignore his warnings, that's his problem.

Wow, you amaze me. You delete posts that are extremely racist? What exactly have i said that was soooooooooo racist that you had to delete? Me posting my experiences in Scottsdale, in a ice cream parlor with my grandmother? You want to make is seem as if im picking on you, but its obvious you're the one doing wrong here. I have absolutely NOTHING TO HIDE here. WHY DO YOU?

Serious question, how old are you RART?

Rart
08-14-2010, 11:47 PM
Alright then, since you have nothing to hide, here it is, a very small sampling of some of your posting habits:


seriously your retarded. im ashamed of you. a self loathing moron. again learn something. do you know who uncle tom is pendejo? thats you puto.

oh and another thing you fucking moron bitch of an idiot, you can tell you didnt learn anything in that sweatbox you called school for 5 years till you dropped out. You really do believe in davy crockett and the other folk tales? You should read a book called "Lies my Teacher Told Me", it suits you. now let me reiterate, I love my country, but, i unlike you, bitch, dont feel i should have to make whites feel safer by compromising my rights. your the problem with hispanics. fucking leech. daring to blame it on the poor because they are motivated to have a semidecent life instead of the greedy asshole who runs the sweatshop and wants that yacht. your a fucking idiot, and if i knew you id beat the fuck out of you and leave you tied up in an abandoned garage. Puto!!!! Ive met Crack whores with more sensibility.


dont get mad because you have no way to reason with facts, ya hick.



youre a tool. youre probably reading orly tates right now, while you rub yourself in cooking oil. youre nuts dude. its kinda scary to think there are a whole bunch of you down south.

And what do have in your arsenal? You havent made ANY points except for that your a racist bigot. You'd be the the jagoff yelling profanities at the little black girl for going to school. You'd be the P.O.S that spit on MLK at Marquette Park. All the stupid shit youre spewing, without giving RATIONAL THOUGHT, or REASON, is making it completely obvious. so prove me wrong, ASS!!!


rather you just spew your retarded views


that inbred, self satisfying, piece of shit?


And just so you can shut the fuck up. I dont care what the fuck you "think" you know about mexican immigration. EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN gets treated like fucking ROYALTY there. They fucking run to serve you for ONE dollar!!!!! No one wants to hurt americans or run them out, ya MORON. They bring Money, and therefore bring food to families that need it. Mexican culture is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! But then again you'd never know because youre not cultured enough to go there. If you would, i guarantee you wouldnt want to come back. REAL TALK FOO!!!!!!!!


Can't wait till you have a half Latino/White Grandchild. Or better yet, I could introduce your girl to my boy Reggie (He's really really Black). Im sure she'd love that tree trunk all up in her. GUY, YOU ARE NOT A REAL AMERICAN!!!!! You're a garden variety racist asshole with absolutely no life outside of your little safe bubble.

I'll say it one more time: These hostile, thinly veiled racist posts will not be tolerated in this section. Take it or leave it.

megabyteme
08-14-2010, 11:55 PM
Those do seem a bit harsh, but they were very much in context. The points being made around most of those comments did ask for the above responses.

At its core, this conversation- and the Laws being attempted, IS RACE-BASED. There's no denying that. One can wrap themselves in security, economics, etc, but this is ALL about race. Even the LEGAL Mexican-Americans fall prey to its racist foundation.

l33tpirata13
08-15-2010, 12:05 AM
Alright then, since you have nothing to hide, here it is, a very small sampling of some of your posting habits:




dont get mad because you have no way to reason with facts, ya hick.



youre a tool. youre probably reading orly tates right now, while you rub yourself in cooking oil. youre nuts dude. its kinda scary to think there are a whole bunch of you down south.

And what do have in your arsenal? You havent made ANY points except for that your a racist bigot. You'd be the the jagoff yelling profanities at the little black girl for going to school. You'd be the P.O.S that spit on MLK at Marquette Park. All the stupid shit youre spewing, without giving RATIONAL THOUGHT, or REASON, is making it completely obvious. so prove me wrong, ASS!!!


rather you just spew your retarded views


that inbred, self satisfying, piece of shit?


And just so you can shut the fuck up. I dont care what the fuck you "think" you know about mexican immigration. EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN gets treated like fucking ROYALTY there. They fucking run to serve you for ONE dollar!!!!! No one wants to hurt americans or run them out, ya MORON. They bring Money, and therefore bring food to families that need it. Mexican culture is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! But then again you'd never know because youre not cultured enough to go there. If you would, i guarantee you wouldnt want to come back. REAL TALK FOO!!!!!!!!


Can't wait till you have a half Latino/White Grandchild. Or better yet, I could introduce your girl to my boy Reggie (He's really really Black). Im sure she'd love that tree trunk all up in her. GUY, YOU ARE NOT A REAL AMERICAN!!!!! You're a garden variety racist asshole with absolutely no life outside of your little safe bubble.

I'll say it one more time: These hostile, thinly veiled racist posts will not be tolerated in this section. Take it or leave it.

Ok. So you wanna make it seem like im talking to a wall? Look at the posts above it. You dont like that i use the "F" word? Is that it? A word is hostile? Not a racist act or threat? What Is this bizarro world?

Rart
08-15-2010, 12:35 AM
Those do seem a bit harsh, but they were very much in context. The points being made around most of those comments did ask for the above responses.

At its core, this conversation- and the Laws being attempted, IS RACE-BASED. There's no denying that. One can wrap themselves in security, economics, etc, but this is ALL about race. Even the LEGAL Mexican-Americans fall prey to its racist foundation.


The majority of those quotes were made long before 9 started posting in this thread, as I've said. And those were the posts he received infractions for. There is no "very much in context" for those posts, and the hostility was completely uncalled for. That is why he received multiple infractions for his posting habits, yet seems to remain vigilant on ignoring them.

However, I have gone through and read the thread, and I agree with your second point. This issue in its self is inherently based upon racist foundations, which makes it a very sticky topic to deal with (and moderate) indeed. Since these posts started to build upon themselves and get a little out of hand, in a topic where as you said, the topic racism really can't be avoided, I'll let them slide for now. Moderating this thread now will practically delete half the thread, so I'll leave the thread as it is (yes, that means your posts as well leet, in case you're thinking of making another clever remark about how biased I am). I will be warning 9 to tone down his posts a notch, and leet, keep in mind that just because someone else may be posting in aggressive manner doesn't mean you should retaliate as such.

However, I want to make it clear that from now on, any continuation of the discussion should remain clean and civilized, and if the pattern of the second half of this thread continues, I will be closing it to further replies. J2k4 and Clocker have been frequently posting and discussing the topics of this thread in a civilized manner without any of the hostile or racist undertones of leet/999969999's banter, and theres no reason that leet/999969999 can't post in a similar, civilized manner to contribute to the thread.

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 12:53 AM
Thank you, Rart, for recognizing the second point of my post. I think that once you accept the second, it is easier to grasp the first...

I still believe the best way to handle this thread is to move it to the Lounge and restore the deleted posts. Give everyone a clean slate. This one needs to get down and dirty, like any other social issue that needs blood to get resolved- mere niceties don't work, nor belong with racial injustice. History show this again, and again.

*EDIT* The tensions started before 9's arrival, and even predate this thread...

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 01:23 AM
The struggle between a minority group, and the majority is one of power. If that majority decides to keep acting unjustly, the minority population is left with no other option, but a show of force- on so significant that the majority is left with balancing the joys of domination over the minority, and the fear it faces of their discontent.

As I said, civility has no place in a discussion regarding laws based in the abuse of a minority group by a racist majority. While many individuals may not consider themselves racist- especially when they are following the political winds of the times, they still are acting qas racists. These individuals need to hear the voices of the minority. Whispers do not work, nor belong.

From Se7en (1995)
John Doe: Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention.

The tone, words, and anger expressed by my friend L33t were not only appropriate, but necessary.

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 01:44 AM
Bring something of value to the conversation, or STFO, c0ld. This section is for serious discussion only.

l33tpirata13
08-15-2010, 01:56 AM
You are full of shit mbm. You talk like a teenager with no clue about the real world.

This coming from the guy that posted "kill all Mexicans" as a solution to someone being unemployed.

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 02:08 AM
Thanks, c0ld. I was tired of you long ago. :wave:

j2k4
08-15-2010, 03:19 AM
So-

I interpret what I read here to mean that the participants think something like this quote...

"From Se7en (1995)
John Doe: Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."

...is adequate to guide the discussion of the issue of Mexican immigration, apparently in the idiotic belief that tossing rancid insults amounts to "hitting someone with a sledgehammer".

I've been involved in some semi-heavy stuff here, but I have never experienced anything that warranted such a description, and I can say with confidence that none of you possesses sledgehammer rhetoric.

This thread has been exceptional only insofar as it represents a singular example of the type of pissy and feckless head-butting that never rises to a level that could be described - even charitably - as debate.

Pretty poor stuff by any and every standard.

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 04:05 AM
How do you politely get someone to realize that their actions, and arguments are, in fact, racist. It is very easy for the majority (whites) to think of others (Mexican/Mexican-Americans) as only being "slightly inconveniences" by being pulled over and "checked out" in order to keep the area "safe".

Any conservative should recognize that this is FAR from being a "minor inconvenience".

You, and anyone else, would find this to be VERY unconstitutional if it were something you, yourself, had to face on a daily basis.


We've (US) already gone through this with the internment of Japanese-Americans. Can't we recognize it for what it is? After seeing so many posts denying it, one MUST raise their voice. If it gets ugly, it is because it NEEDS to. L33t's deleted posts are a great example of the climate we are in. Denial leads to anger, and eventually rioting. These unpleasant discussions are communication's equivalent to a riot.

*Addition* J2, your calm demeanor is an indication that you are not on the crappy end of the stick here. L33t's family, and himself, fall directly in this racist law's path. In fact, they are the sole targets.

I guarantee you will never get hassled because of this, why worry, right? It's for security? It is to protect the state coffers. And, it won't effect me. Why shouldn't I vote for it?

How do you feel when a tax gets implemented that hits only small businesses? That's what it's like, only FAR worse. This law says, "You aren't a REAL American, Mexican"- even to those BORN legally here.

When people deny thes4e facts, it's VERY hard to NOT hit them in the face with a SLEDGEHAMMER- they need it, IMO.

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 06:48 AM
Or maybe try filling this out:

L33t, and his family, legal American citizens, deserve to have their constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties revoked because ________________. (Try to not use race as a basis here.)

Furthermore, L33t and his family have NO right to get angry, or inflammatory, during discussions which label them as second class citizens, unworthy of full civil rights guaranteed to all Americans because _______________________________. (Mention that others who LOOK like them, MIGHT be illegal.)

Any outbursts from L33t will be removed, and his status on this site will be jeopardized.



Sincerely,

Real, full-fledged, Americans who will NOT be effected by the above.

MagicNakor
08-15-2010, 07:13 AM
If the facts are on your side, bang on the facts. If the law is on your side, bang on the law. If neither the facts nor the law is on your side, bang on the table. -Cliché shared amongst lawyers

There's a lot of table banging going on, in here and out there.

Why not lock this thread and start anew? It's getting long in the tooth anyhow; leave a redirect if you'd like. I don't see what would be served by moving it into the Lounge, unless the purpose is to have a bit of a backyard brawl (in which case, by all means). If the idea is to kill it with general Lounge-ishness, it'll likely be locked later. The idea behind the Drawing Room is (was?) the ability to post on topics that have a tendency to get heated. FFS, it's in the sticky:
This is not an excuse to say one off offensive remarks... If you have a point to make, then make it with evidence.

One off remarks such as "I hate Muslims" and anything else construed as being beyond the rules of civilised behaviour will be dealt with. This is not to stifle debate... if you have a controversial comment to make, then by all means make it... BUT BACK IT UP.

:shuriken:

megabyteme
08-15-2010, 07:15 AM
Oops. My bad.


I actually meant for you to fill it out with your name, and family. Oh well, just leave the answers the same, and we'll just implement those...

999969999
08-15-2010, 12:20 PM
The struggle between a minority group, and the majority is one of power. If that majority decides to keep acting unjustly, the minority population is left with no other option, but a show of force- on so significant that the majority is left with balancing the joys of domination over the minority, and the fear it faces of their discontent.

As I said, civility has no place in a discussion regarding laws based in the abuse of a minority group by a racist majority. While many individuals may not consider themselves racist- especially when they are following the political winds of the times, they still are acting qas racists. These individuals need to hear the voices of the minority. Whispers do not work, nor belong.

From Se7en (1995)
John Doe: Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention.

The tone, words, and anger expressed by my friend L33t were not only appropriate, but necessary.

Toned way down, here is my response...

You have really proved one of my main points that I have already posted before in this thread. To the liberal mindset, racist comments are okay from certain people when they are directed at certain other people. But the reverse is not okay to liberals.

Can you step outside your situation and see how this looks to certain other people? How this can make these certain other people a bit upset, and cause them to use angry, over the top words to fight back?

Mexico tries to protect the sovereignty of its borders with a far more draconian immigration law (as quoted in earlier posts) than the relatively mild Arizona law. It even states that it does not want to upset the demographic balance of its country. And that all immigrants who immigrate to Mexico must be capable of supporting themselves so they are not a drain on the government and taxpayers. I see nothing wrong with this.

And I see nothing wrong with the Arizona law. It merely mirrors the current Federal immigration law, which is mild in comparison to Mexico's immigration law.

If it were up to me, I would solve the problem by hiring enough full time, permanent border patrol agents to patrol both the entire northern and southern borders 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and to sufficiently man all border crossings and check points and airports and sea ports to ensure that people are entering legally. It is really the only solution to the problem. We must be able to control who comes into our country to remain a sovereign nation.

I also support a crackdown on any employer who hires illegal immigrants. Arizona already has this law (and is making its way to the U.S. supreme court), but unfortunately, it is not being fully and properly enforced. After I looked into this matter I found out that I was wrong about Sheriff Joe of Maricopa County. He is not enforcing it against employers, but just the employees, and I agree that is wrong.

I also agree with leet about a nationwide biometric i.d. card and database. It is essential to have such a system if we are really serious about immigration reform.

And if we would do all of the above things FIRST, to ensure that we have a system that can truly control who comes into our country and who works here, then I FULLY SUPPORT AMNESTY for all the current illegal immigrants to make them citizens and bring them out of the shadows and into our system, and maybe assimilate them a bit into the American culture.


Now we've had our shits and giggles over this thread and I have laughed my ass off over many of the posts in this thread (the crazier and more absurd my posts became the more you all fell for them and took them seriously! Hilarious!), and while it has been fun, it probably is time to move on to a new topic and close this thread.