These congressional hearings

[devilsadvocate]

Set up by IRA terrorist supporter and fundraiser Peter King.

Ideological fear mongering on the taxpayer dollar?

[clocker]

Pretty much, yes.

[mjmacky]

the word congressional makes this thread too complex for most users here

I always assume every politician that takes an ideological stance against something is obviously involved in something of a very similar manner.

[999969999]

Hmmm... let's see... who was responsible for...

9-11
The Shoe Bomber
The Crotch Bomber
The Snipers at Gas Stations
The Oregon Bomb Plot
The Fort Hood Masacre

???

Was it Austrian Atheists? No.

Was it Jehova's Witnesses? No.

Who was involved in those incidents?

Are we no longer allowed to speak about who they were?

Have we allowed Political Correctness to go so far that we can no longer freely discuss such matters in public forums such as congress?

This fear of profiling has gone so far that reporters will soon have to report the news like this.

"An incident happened today involving two humans. Please be on the lookout for two humans." Because we won't be able to dare mention religion, race, ethnicity, background info, because it might offend someone.

[devilsadvocate]

There has been more domestic terrorist acts by white supremacists, anti government groups, anti abortion groups, right wing political groups, left wing political groups all claiming to be Christian than there have been terrorist attacks by Muslims. Yet no congressional hearings for those. Why?

However, seeing as you seem to think these hearing are needed, could you please explain what will be achieved? Do you feel that our anti terrorist agencies are unaware of certain threats?

[bigboab]

the word congressional makes this thread too complex for most users here

I always assume every politician that takes an ideological stance against something is obviously involved in something of a very similar manner.
I agree. They could have used a word with one syllable. Then even I could understand.

[mjmacky]

Hmmm... let's see... who was responsible for...

9-11
The Shoe Bomber
The Crotch Bomber
The Snipers at Gas Stations
The Oregon Bomb Plot
The Fort Hood Masacre

???

Was it Austrian Atheists? No.

Was it Jehova's Witnesses? No.

Who was involved in those incidents?

Are we no longer allowed to speak about who they were?

Have we allowed Political Correctness to go so far that we can no longer freely discuss such matters in public forums such as congress?

This fear of profiling has gone so far that reporters will soon have to report the news like this.

"An incident happened today involving two humans. Please be on the lookout for two humans." Because we won't be able to dare mention religion, race, ethnicity, background info, because it might offend someone.
Extremism != community
One small logical equation to debase your entire argument, you make it too easy

[Snee]

Celine Dion
Justin Bieber


And yet, no hearings about Canada.

[clocker]

That's because Alex Trebek, longtime Canadian sleeper agent, has a lot of clout in Congress.

[999969999]

There has been more domestic terrorist acts by white supremacists, anti government groups, anti abortion groups, right wing political groups, left wing political groups all claiming to be Christian than there have been terrorist attacks by Muslims.

I haven't heard about them on the news, and I would certainly think they would be screaming about them if that was true. They try to bury the fact and downplay it whenever Muslims are involved.


Yet no congressional hearings for those. Why?

Who's stopping you? Knock yourself out. My guess is that it is so rare, that has been no need for any hearings yet. Or that they don't effect the general public. In other words, they don't target airplanes used by the general public, or huge buildings where the general public works, or Christmas tree lighting events in downtown Portland, where the general public might gather.

However, seeing as you seem to think these hearing are needed, could you please explain what will be achieved?

It would be nice if the government would at least admit that there is a growing problem from religious extremists, instead of denying that the problem exists.

Do you feel that our anti terrorist agencies are unaware of certain threats?

They might be aware, but they might also be told by government officials to ignore them because we wouldn't want to upset or offend anybody, now would we?


...

[devilsadvocate]

I haven't heard about them on the news, and I would certainly think they would be screaming about them if that was true. They try to bury the fact and downplay it whenever Muslims are involved. Perhaps if you moved away from talk radio you might be better informed.


-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/knoxville-church-shooters-manifesto) agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.
-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/neo-nazis-obama-and-real-domestic-te) culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/12/woodburn_bank_bombing_defendant_bruce_turnidge_talked_about_killing_clinton_witness_says.html) -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers (http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20081214/NEWS/812140335&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL). The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/12/post_7.html).
-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sludge-hate-washes-higher-our-shores) in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.
-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/fighting-extinction-boston-area-shoo) in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.
-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged (http://www.enctoday.com/news/brittingham-62658-jdn-marine-robbery.html) with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
-- February 2009: A 60-year-old former Republican Party campaign volunteer opens fire on a gathering of Chilena exchange students in an apartment complex in Miramar Beach, Fla., after telling a neighbor he wanted to start a "revolution" against Latino immigrants.
-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/emerging-portrait-richard-poplawski-) opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/two-more-officers-killed-by-extremist) similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/bill-oreilly-has-dr-george-tillers-b) walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/von-brunn-lone-wolf-killers-act-alon) killing a security guard.
-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/breaking-small-plane-crashes-governm) flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too. (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/huh-when-attempting-blow-federal-bui))
-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/fbi-busts-michigan-militias-hutaree) in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/hutaree-militia-crossroads-christian) with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/lone-wolf-anti-government-extremist) walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oath-keeper-under-arrest-after-drivi) is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/florida-mosque-bombed-fbi-calls-help-nation) simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/two-more-police-officers-killed-two) gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/i-580-shooters-targets-aclu-and-tides-found) loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged (http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/09/09/article/concord_man_charged_with_plotting_to_bomb_nc_abortion_clinic) with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
-- January 2011: A 22-year-old gunman named Jared Lee Loughner (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sorry-right-wing-talkers-loughners-r) with a long grudge against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and a paranoid hatred of the government walks into a public Giffords event and shoots her in the head, then keeps firing, killing six people and wounding 14 more. Gifford miraculously survives.
-- January 2011: A backpack bomb (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/just-another-isolated-incident-letha) with the potential of killing or injuring dozens of people is found along the route of a Martin Luther King Day “unity march” in downtown Spokane.
-- January 31, 2011: An Army veteran from California (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/california-wingnut-arrested-outside-) with a previous arrest record for making threats against President Bush is arrested for making terrorist outside a mosque in Michigan inside a car whose trunk was filled with Class C explosives.
-- March 2011: Five people in the Fairbanks area are arrested (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/another-isolated-incident-alaska-mil) on charges of plotting to kidnap or kill state troopers and a Fairbanks judge. All five are self-proclaimed "sovereign citizens," including local militia leader Schaeffer Cox.
There's a google map floating around the internet with the locations and description of these "so rare they are not reported" incidents pinpointed


Who's stopping you? Knock yourself out. My guess is that it is so rare, that has been no need for any hearings yet. Or that they don't effect the general public. In other words, they don't target airplanes used by the general public, or huge buildings where the general public works, or Christmas tree lighting events in downtown Portland, where the general public might gather. I'm not a member of congress let alone on any investigative committee. Your guesswork seems lacking the "educated" part.




It would be nice if the government would at least admit that there is a growing problem from religious extremists, instead of denying that the problem exists. Perhaps if you moved away from talk radio you might have noticed they talk about it often




They might be aware, but they might also be told by government officials to ignore them because we wouldn't want to upset or offend anybody, now would we?
You need to loosen that tin foil, the brain needs blood.

[devilsadvocate]

Seems one waste of time and taxpayer money wasn't enough. Now we have anti-Muslim bigotry hearings.