WEB DL downloads

[davesmith123]

Hi, I've recently tried a few WEB DL downloads and i'm impressed.

I was wondering if anyone knew the primary source to download these releases. obviously they end up on several sites and can be downloaded in a varierty of ways.but i would like to know where they start off. any help would be appreciated.

individuals or groups i'd like to know about inparticular = PeeWee and Hoodbag

Thanks

[whiteboy]

HDbits.

Well actually itunes ;) but yah hdbits is the main source.

[davesmith123]

thanks for the reply. you don't have a spare invite do you?

[ca_aok]

Their invites are pretty much locked up unless you're friends with a VIP or staffer.

Usenet's probably your best bet for these releases, all the HD stuff tends to get released there as well. Or you could just buy the rips yourself, they're just iTunes shows/movies with the DRM removed and stuck into an MKV container.

[whiteboy]

Ouch disabled.

[shipwreck]

You may want to check out dedicated TV trackers like BTN, too.

[anon]

thanks for the reply. you don't have a spare invite do you?

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/146184-DO-NOT-Request-BitTorrent-Invites-outside-the-correct-section-*OR-YOU-WILL-BE-BANNED*

But you know now.

FL.ro has WEB DLs - there are very few ones from the groups you mentioned, though. Same goes for Warez-BB.

[mjmacky]

They're also available by DDL, that's actually how I use to get them before I finally made the jump to usenet

[Solitude]

They're also available by DDL, that's actually how I use to get them before I finally made the jump to usenet
I mostly snatch them from newsgroups too, but have to say BTN is impressive. Quite a few times helped me out with episodes missing from usenet

[Jungleboy]

Basically WEB-DL is the closest you get to a bluray rip until that is released, no watermarks, good quality, no commercial breaks and good sound, I personally prefer them and it puzzles me why they aren't more popular.

[cibu]

Itunes is the best source . for just 2 bucks you can download any freakin' episode you want .
Me myself I enjoy web-dll from the porn category :blush: , this category was forgoten as far as I can see :lol:

[pbjabba]

Basically WEB-DL is the closest you get to a bluray rip until that is released, no watermarks, good quality, no commercial breaks and good sound, I personally prefer them and it puzzles me why they aren't more popular.

Yep, that's why I love 'em too :) The only downside is that they usually appear a day later than hdtv releases, so if you're one of those people who has to watch something as soon as possible they might be less appealing.

Agreed with the posters suggesting BTN for WEB-DL's, probably the easiest place to get into which regularly gets WEB-DL releases.

[johhny]

or you can find on ddl forum :)

[Jungleboy]

They are also posted here regularly ;)

[johhny]

also http://freshon.tv have lots of web-dl

[absent_today]

sorry for my ignorance but what is webdl?

[respawn40]

sorry for my ignorance but what is webdl?
Basically it's content that is sourced from iTunes or other web download sources. WEB-DL is very prominent among television shows. They're better than TV captures because they're coming right from iTunes, minus DRM, and you won't see any television watermarks.

[absent_today]

Thanks for the info

[hotshot6473]

sorry for my ignorance but what is webdl?
Basically it's content that is sourced from iTunes or other web download sources. WEB-DL is very prominent among television shows. They're better than TV captures because they're coming right from iTunes, minus DRM, and you won't see any television watermarks.

Not better in all cases but no watermarks

[neevakee]

Basically it's content that is sourced from iTunes or other web download sources. WEB-DL is very prominent among television shows. They're better than TV captures because they're coming right from iTunes, minus DRM, and you won't see any television watermarks.

Not better in all cases but no watermarks

Care to back that up. They are far superior when they come to audio, video and watermarks (or a lack their of). Now if you compare them to 1080p Blu-Ray rips, than yes they are not on the same level (although the comparison in this thread is of HDTV rips vs WEB-DL). Further I have found that for the most part that a 720p Blu-Ray rip vs a WEB-DL will have little to no discernible difference. The only thing that Blu-Ray can offer at the 720p level is DTS and some additional film grain if present, but it is not worth the added file size IMHO.

[mjmacky]

Alright, the skinny summary:

HDTV:
Original source --> encoded to MPEG2 by networks --> captured by capper --> encoded using x264 by group

Web-DL:
Original source --> encoded to AVC by Apple (VC-1 by Microsoft/Amazon) --> stripped of DRM and packaged by group

Bluray Rip:
Original source --> encoded to AVC by production --> encoded using x264 by group

HDTV will always suffer a lot because of the lossy MPEG2 encoding. Web-DL has restricted settings using AVC encoder (e.g. Nero, or any other program inferior to x264), and restricted bitrate. Bluray discs also have restricted settings, but probably uses more bitrate than is necessary. So, the quality of Bluray rip depends on settings used by encoder, it will always be better than HDTV, but unless encoding for transparency, it will be comparable with Web-DL.

[hotshot6473]

Fixed that for you

Alright, the skinny summary:

HDTV:
Original source --> Either left untouched depending on cable company or reencoded to lower bitrate MPEG2 by cable company(Euro sources use AVC)--> captured by capper --> encoded using x264 by group

Web-DL:
Original source --> encoded to AVC by Apple (VC-1 by Microsoft/Amazon) --> stripped of DRM and packaged by group

Bluray Rip:
Original source --> encoded to AVC or VC1 by production --> encoded using x264 by group

HDTV will always suffer a lot because of the lossy MPEG2 encoding. Web-DL has restricted settings using AVC encoder and restricted bitrate. Bluray discs also have restricted settings, but sometimes uses too little bitrate(no such thing as using too much bitrate on a BD). So, the quality of Bluray rip depends on settings used by encoder, it will not always be better than HDTV,and it will always be miles better than Web-DL.


There are hundreds of examples in which a HDTV broadcast is better than a web-dl and there are few cases in which the HDTV movie broadcast (usually from a Euro source) is better than the BD because its sourced from a different master

So in summary every single thing you download is a complete crap shoot on quality until you compare all the sources and find the best one.

[mjmacky]

Would have been helpful if you highlighted what change you made. And yes, it is possible to use too much bitrate in ANY scenario. They usually just fill the disc, sometimes it might not be enough of a bitrate, sometimes it might be too little. However, seeing that they're ALL more easily compressible, I'd wager it leans more towards excess. The fact that it can be further compressed means there's wasted bits. This is also the problem with using licensed encoding software with restrictive settings.

However, in terms of how the scene releases, their bluray 720p encodes aren't the best possible, but they will always outshine HDTV encodes, which are pretty crappy looking in most cases (relative to source). The problem with Web-DL is that they used fixed sizes, which used to be a staunch scene rule. However, the current use of CRF depends on the nature of source so the HDTV quality will start to vary quite wildly. I can be sure that cases where HDTV resembles source more closely than either Web-DL or Bluray are few and far between. Simply saying they're better opens up to subjective interpretation, e.g. Apple's encodes can be described as faded or you can say the HDTV encodes look a little saturated.

[Polarbear]

They became very popular. The iTunes version of recent Breaking Bad episodes is downloaded more than than TV caps on HDBits, where most iTunes releases have their origin. Even if the scene releases show up earlier.

You know why? Because the iTunes version kicks any HDTV cappers ass! :lol:

HDTV Capture (4.15 GB (11.70Mbps) MPEG-2) vs. iTunes (1.45 GB H.264)

http://thumbnails10.imagebam.com/14131/35c2cf141308353.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/35c2cf141308353) http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/14131/a9b277141308359.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/a9b277141308359)

[hotshot6473]

Yes that is one of the cases where web-dl is better but that is because AMC uses a very low bitrate
It just depends on the show

Scene is always going to be horrible. The only time its justifable to download scene for me is when they release a TV show on BD since it takes good encodes a long time to come out and they are generally much better than the caps or web-dls

As for the bitrate on full BDs they should fill the disc as much as humanly possible with only the movie and no other extras. What usually happens is a good 10,000 Mbps or more is lost due to useless extras and additional languages. The more bitrate used the less the AVC or VC1 compression can block the video

[mjmacky]

Point to be made was that the bitrate used on BD is a bit arbitrary since the resolution is at 1080p. You would have to get to higher resolutions before it starts to lose any significant detail at those bitrates. Encoding with differential frames will always introduce detail inaccuracies, but at the bitrates used, BD detail loss has to be virtually negligible. I really would like to compare these with masters, but alas I cannot. The other note is, yes, they could introduce different filters and other alteration while authoring from master, which could be different from the way it's aired on TV. The assessment of those changes though are still personal preference (I personally hate artificial grain).

AMC HD does a shit job, NBC HD tends to look a little better, but they're still using MPEG2 (fidelity requiring at times much greater bit rates @ 1080p than even Bluray standard would allow).

Could you please link a sample where HDTV is preferable over either Web-DL or BR rip? I would like to see for myself.

[Il_Professore]

Every Tv-Site has web-dl,some before some later,important is to get them.So just join any of them.

[absent_today]

Tbbt s05 starts this thursday so would the web dl be available soon after the show?

[mjmacky]

Tbbt s05 starts this thursday so would the web dl be available soon after the show?

Whatever the hell you're talking about, I'm sure the answer is yes... or no.

[johhny]

web-dl are awesome..too bad is not available on all TV-shows
if web-dl is not available i look for 1080i caps

[kukushka]

Tbbt s05 starts this thursday so would the web dl be available soon after the show?

Whatever the hell you're talking about, I'm sure the answer is yes... or no.
big bang theory. so the answer should be yes. hdbits & tehparadox should be first in bt & ddl, then it'll be everywhere

[absent_today]

Tbbt s05 starts this thursday so would the web dl be available soon after the show?

Whatever the hell you're talking about, I'm sure the answer is yes... or no.
unemployed?

[anon]

unemployed?

"u mad" would hit the spot here.

[mjmacky]

abbreviations do make me mad
We chemists have made a habit of introducing the actual word string first with its abbreviated form of convenience (afc) in parentheses afterwards. Why the fuck does everyone do it backwards?

[absent_today]

Now where is the rep button on this forum :lol:

[mjmacky]

try up, up, down, down, left, right...

[anon]

try up, up, down, down, left, right...

You fool, it's Ctrl+W.

[mjmacky]

try up, up, down, down, left, right...

You fool, it's Ctrl+W.

You're such a liar, it's Alt+F4

[anon]

You're such a liar, it's Alt+F4

It asks me whether I'm sure I want to add rep :(

[mjmacky]

Naturally you do want to add rep. You should thank me for giving you this info by giving me rep. I'd recommend writing a paragraph of nonsense, giving me rep, then submitting post.

[anon]

I'd recommend writing a paragraph of nonsense, giving me rep, then submitting post.

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[mjmacky]

You're right, it is pretty ironic that she refuses to wash.

[hotshot6473]

hdtv cap
http://thumbnails51.imagebam.com/15129/bd9e50151283983.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/bd9e50151283983)


web-dl

http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/15129/b7524b151283992.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b7524b151283992)

Sorry that they are jpegs but you get the idea

[IdolEyes787]

That's there's no difference except for the station info?

[hotshot6473]

If you can't see the difference you need to get your eyes checked

[absent_today]

This comes straight from BTN



WEB-DL vs HDTV
So.. what's all the fuss about WEB-DLs, where do they actually come from? Why is HDTV inferior to WEB-DLs? I'll answer the most common questions in this topic and will guide you to the path of righteousness.

What are WEB-DLs?
To put it simply, WEB-DLs is paid content from iTunes with superior quality in all areas. Networks release them on a flat rate of $2.99 on the US iTunes Store, £2.49 in the UK iTunes Store and $3.49 in the Canadian iTunes Store. The content comes mainly from HDBits but there are also other trackers who have minor internal groups who work on releasing these to the world.

What's usually the delay on a WEB-DL in comparison to HDTV?
Obviously HDTV will always be released first as they're pre'd basically a few minutes after the episode finishes airing. The episode is usually available on iTunes about 6-8 hours after airing on network TV. After that, it's usually up to the uploader in question. In most cases, it's up within 24 hours of the airing date, but it's solely up to the uploader.

Why should I wait for WEB-DL?
Honestly, if you care about quality at all, you shouldn't have to ask this question at all, but I'm going to answer it. Scene quality is in almost all cases inferior to WEB-DL and the lesson here is that patience is a virtue.. I'll post some comparisons below so you can really see the big difference that is iTunes vs HDTV and you can see for yourself.

What are the differences?
WEB-DLs usually have better detail, less grain, less blurryness and better colors. They also have no network channels or any annoying bugs.

Screenshot comparisons
We'll be using the Compare Screenshots website. There might be different differences between web and HDTV based on what show and network the show is on, it can be everything from blurryness to grain that is corrected in the WEB. The original picture will always be the HDTV, and when you hover over the picture, it'll switch to the WEB-DL equivalent.

Breaking Bad S04 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71761
Breaking Bad S04 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71762
Two and a Half Men S08 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71763
30 Rock S05 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71764
The Big Bang Theory S04 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71766
Nikita S01 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71767
Franklin & Bash S01 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71768
Gossip Girl S02 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71769
Flashpoint S04 [HDTV vs WEB-DL]: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/71770

[hotshot6473]

Rofl that is some funny stuff to read. Well its obvious that web-dl is better than scene but some of the other stuff there is kind of funny.

Web-dls do sometimes have better detail. Less grain means worse quality so having less grain is a bad thing. Less blurriness is kind of arbitrary, I have never seen anything that was "blurry" in a comparison. Web-dl almost always has worse colors because of apples encoding software which washes out all the colors.

Comparisons:

Breaking Bad- Web-dl wins
Two and a Half Men- HDTV wins
30 Rock- HDTV wins
TBBT- Web-dl Wins
Nikita- Web-dl Wins
Franklin and Bash- HDTV wins because web-dl has washed out colors
Gossip Girl- Web-dl wins
Flashpoint- Web-dl wins

Also anything FOX, except for cartoons, the HDTV broadcast will be better

[IdolEyes787]

If you can't see the difference you need to get your eyes checked

Perhaps but as I obviously have more real concerns than whether one "source's" colours are slightly more washed out than another one's then thankfully at least I don't have get my head checked.:mellow:
Btw as for your "'expert" comparison I assure you with at least half of those shows nobody wins.:mellow:

Rofl? Really ? I knew a guy that did that but we were in Kindergarden at the time so it seemed less retarded.
Slightly at least.

[hotshot6473]

Really cause it is just as juvenile to go around the forums "trying" to look smart and "trying" to insult people. Grow the fuck up
You compare at the start of the season and then you know what to download for the rest of it. Not that hard of a concept to understand

[mjmacky]

hdtv cap
http://thumbnails51.imagebam.com/15129/bd9e50151283983.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/bd9e50151283983)


web-dl

http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/15129/b7524b151283992.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b7524b151283992)

Sorry that they are jpegs but you get the idea

The web.dl has prettier trees, so I say the web.dl wins out on that one. Besides that, I have no idea what the fuck I'm looking at.

[hotshot6473]

look at the grain and detail loss on the face and on the rim of metal. Web-dl is completely smudged and blocky

The trees in background also have zero grain, so they may look more clean but you actually lose more detail than what the HDTV source has

[IdolEyes787]

It probably would be juvenile if I was only trying to look smart or trying to insult people.
Simple fact is I have a strong opinion concerning HD bt Nazis in general and you being a wank in particular and this being a forum or something I merely wish to exercise my prerogative and express it.

Also I have a big ,wonderful better than anyone's HD TV and PVR and cable and everything and so I don't really download TV shows other than the occasional foreign one.:mellow:
Btw even then with the big,wonderful better than anyone's HD TV half the time I just watch stuff on the old 32" cathode tube and so far as I can determine the World hasn't ended.
Idiots like you continue to proliferate at the current rate and I might be forced to kill myself though.

[mjmacky]

lThe trees in background also have zero grain, so they may look more clean but you actually lose more detail than what the HDTV source has

Technical specs aside, the "HDTV" trees look ugly. I wouldn't want to sit under them. I'd rather sit under the web.dl trees. You didn't answer the question presented by my confusion. What the hell is in the picture?!

I've been meaning to check out terranova but my new htpc build suffers from linux lirc problems and has wasted a lot of my free time.

[hotshot6473]

Some kind of dinosaur from Terra Nova

Idoleyes your retarded just go away. If people didn't care about the quality of things your precious old movies and other shit you watch would no longer exist because the film would be so deteriorated by now it would be lost forever. There are people that care about order and the proper way to do things then there are slobs like you.

Do us all a favor and fulfill that promise of killing yourself, nobody will miss you and your miserable attitude.

[P2PDog]

I would miss his miserable attitude, and I would also miss having one other person around who thinks anyone who concerns themselves with such minute and marginal differences in video quality are idiots.

[IdolEyes787]

Idoleyes your retarded just go away.
.
.
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Do us all a favor and fulfill that promise of killing yourself, nobody will miss you and your miserable attitude.
I would but it's unintentionally funny posts like yours that make life still worth living.Now call me a moran.:)

For the record and since obviously you don't care enough to read anything here that doesn't include the letters HD or a reference to encoding in it as far as movies go I'm a populist, just hopefully not a retarded one.
See what is being talked about here and the "preservation of film" are two different things entirely. Which you would probably be aware of if you weren't an idiot.:)

Btw this is why I have no respect for HD encoders.If a drooling idiot like you can ass-lick himself up the ranks then where's the accomplishment?
Anyway don't feel so bad as I recently learned someone almost as dim and annoying as yourself holds a position of some prestige in on a FLAC only site ,so in filesharing stupidity is merely bounded by ego and isn't HD specific.:)

[hotshot6473]

They are in fact exactly the same only one has to do with digital quality preservation and the other is analog. Now fuck off and crawl back into your hole of despair. You seem very depressed and I really think killing yourself is the best option

[IdolEyes787]

Your funny, I appreciate you're total lack of self awareness. Someday it may allow you to achieve greatness or at least a much viewed youtube video which you probably consider pretty much the same thing.:)

[johhny]

download a web-dl and a shitty hdtv and see the difference
yeah web-dl have some colors issues
go to splash pro >playback option and select light boost problem solved

[mjmacky]

Encoding HD video is actually one of the easier forms of encoding, what exactly do they do that abides respect? Why would any encoder need to garner some respect, it's their own hobby (a pursuit of self-satisfaction). You think I should have a reason for respecting Idol's man chest perusal hobby, or hotshot's grain, saturation, and embarrassing exhibitionist hobbies?

My point is that there are people who get paid for this shit, like whoever apple gets to do their encoding. That means there's a possibility that they really don't like what they're doing. That's at least a little more respectable than someone pleasing him/herself.

[hotshot6473]

I am not even an encoder. He is talking out of his ass as usual.

WEB-DL v. HDTV (MPEG-2)

Screens taken with Rec.709 selected

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[mjmacky]

All the mpeg2 look bad, was there a point to that post or did you just give up on trying to make one?

[hotshot6473]

The mpeg2 are far superior in those comparisons. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. The grain is completely gone... I mean if you like looking at wax figures on screen that is your preference but the web-dl has a huge loss in quality

[mjmacky]

The mpeg2 are far superior in those comparisons

If that was the point you were trying to make, you should probably pick a better sample set. Those MPEG2's look extremely noisy, are heavily saturated, and are missing details that can be seen on the web-dls. You can assume they have both lost detail since they are both encoded from source, it looks like the TV stream got the raw end of the deal in those. I mean, they're pretty gross. Is that Glee? Why couldn't you have at least picked a good show?

[hotshot6473]

I didn't make the comparisons or like the show. The grain is there because the show is shot on film and that is what film is supposed to look like. The fact that the web-dl doesn't have the grain tells you that it doesn't look right. That is the assumption you are supposed to make not the other way around like the way you are thinking.

http://babesnboobs.hubpages.com/hub/Grain_in_Movies_Explained

[mjmacky]

:glag:

[hotshot6473]

There are hundreds of posts about this on HDBits and on the http://www.blu-ray.com/ forums

Either educate yourself or just stop posting nonsense

[mjmacky]

Ohh nooo, don't stop. Please more examples

[IdolEyes787]

There are hundreds of posts about this on HDBits and on the http://www.blu-ray.com/ forums

Either educate yourself or just stop posting nonsense



And he was the affront to accuse me of not having a life.:mellow:

Btw before you protest I should remind you that you said that you also spent your time downloading TV shows and posting them on HD sites for presumably the express purpose of boosting your status in the bt world.:mellow:

Anyway enough of you , I spent an hour and a half looking at that fuzzy picture you posted and I have come to the conclusion that I agree with mjmacky and that show sucks. After that I wisely invested another hour and a half staring at two identical pieces of paper before deciding the one on the right was better to draw on.:)
Sad fact is that after all that work the picture turn out looking like Kurt from Glee. :(

[mjmacky]

There are hundreds of posts about this on HDBits and on the http://www.blu-ray.com/ forums

Either educate yourself or just stop posting nonsense

I'm going to go out on a limb and wager that no one has ever accused you of reading too much between the lines. You seem to be so unaware, I'd be surprised if you told me there was a chair under your ass.

[Tv Controls you]

This is such a dumb argument. The quality level is dependent on the show, and original stream bit rate.
Meaning sometimes a show will looks better as HDTV then Web-DL. And vice verse. Depending on multiple variables listed throughout this thread.

A general rule of thumb if not getting from a highly reputable source is to stick with Web-DL.

[mjmacky]

Actually I think HotBeefInjection1234 is just a bit peeved that HDBits is no longer the only place to find Web-DL's. Some of his previous posts reveal that HDBits is the greatest because they're the only place you can find Web-DL's. Now it seems like he unilaterally prefers HDTV caps (even the ugly ones) because they can all primarily be found on HDBits. That's just my psychiatric guess anyway, he's not really that bright or self-aware so I could have easily read too much into it.

[Scene]

Try TvT. I use it for WEB-DL only. :)

[johhny]

1080p web-dl coming soon

[Sanka113]

I get most of my web-dl's from tvt.ro since they're half leech. If impatient then HDbits as they get web-dls uploaded faster than tvt.ro. Tehparadox gets web-dls much faster than both places but it's direct download.

[johhny]

Tehparadox gets web-dls much faster than both places but it's direct download.

you sure about that??i mean at KiNGS releases yes;in rest Tehparadox is No2 after HDB at web-dls