my anaylsis on usenet vs torrenting

[unknown1_]

Finding content online options

Usenet vs torrenting

usenet =
- cost per month (con)
- difficult to distinguish what’s a “safe” and what isn’t (con)
explanation: since there is no feedback system or comments like there is in the torrent community
- save lots of time (pro)
explanation: when you want a file, you can just download it. simple.

torrenting =
- lot of time wasted by 1.logging into some different sites to keep account from getting pruned 2. maintaining ratio 3. keeping abreast of sites issues, freeleeches, etc. 4. seeding (con)
explanation: I think this is a huge negative aspect of torrenting and an often overlooked one in my opinion. If sites make money everytime a user visits there site then torrent sites and associated sites (i.e. invite forums, etc.) are rolling in the dough. Torrenting can be such a time consuming process and time IS money.
- better “verifiable” quantity of quality content (pro)
explanation: this is because torrenting is a community project therefore users leave feedback on content quality


Final analysis: which one is “better” ?

Answer:

Depends on what you’re looking for.

If you’re looking for a huge amount of general movies and music in the English language then make a list of what you’re looking for and download it all via usenet on a one month subscription. This way after you have all the material you’re looking for you don’t need any further monthly subscription costs.

If you’re looking for random smaller amounts of content in the English language just use torrent sites on “no-hassle” torrent sites i.e. Demonoid, TPB, etc. . here you can simply download a torrent and be done with it.

If you’re looking for a large amount of foreign content, then torrenting (niche sites) is most likely going to be your only option.

DDL forums are also another option but again one has to be very careful because there is no community check system in place where someone leaves a comment about the files that gives you an idea if the file is indeed what it says it is.

Thoughts:
The community aspect of torrenting is a two-edged sword. It is good because seeing comments on downloaded files is a great indicator on how safe a file is to download or not. BUT the down side is that the torrent community makes some of their sites extremely difficut/time consuming to gain access to. Bithumen, Norbits, etc. sites come to mind.

I don’t download English movies from torrents ever. I don’t see a need to. Sites like quicksilverscreen has just about every single English movie available on their site to stream and view for free thus saving hard drive space on my computer.

I personally am thinking of just buying everything I utilize from now on. Since I solely use torrenting/usenet for downloading foreign music, I think it may be cheaper for me to just purchase it online than jump through the hoops of the torrent world.

[ca_aok]

Sites that take effort to get into aren't worth the effort (there are exceptions, of course, but this is true in 99% of cases). The fewer members a site has, the less potential for uploaders and content in general.

If you just want TV/Movies/0-day, Usenet is probably a good choice. If you want music, torrenting is the way to go (imo). Apps/games can really go either way.

People bemoan the community aspect of torrenting as a waste of time, but often forget that it's an optional feature. Really the only valid "time waster" I see in your list above is the seeding part. If you consider a 30 second visit every few months a huge waste of time, your life is probably far too busy to be posting this forum thread. Besides, most sites will give you immunity from inactivity deletion if you hit Power User.

For me it's just a lot easier because I already have buffers built up and friends on various sites. For me it really is as simple as just download and forget if need be. But if I were starting all over again, I'd certainly lend heavy consideration to a Usenet subscription.

[Cabalo]

I don't agree with much of what's said there. I gave my opinion on this subject here (http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/428243-BT-vs-Usenet?p=3540646&viewfull=1#post3540646).

But here's a full quote:


After using usenet intermittently for the past 11 years and bittorrent since the suprnova days, here are my thoughts:

Comfort: Newsgroups win, without discussion. You add the .NZB (usenet "equivalent" to the .torrent file), files get downloaded, unrar'd, the ISO moved to the chosen destination on the HDD to the category you set, and then the RAR's are deleted (of course all this is customizable). You can shutdown the computer and go sleep. What you save on the power bill by not having the PC on 24/7 is almost enough to pay for a monthly subscription, I would dare say.

Speed: Newsgroups win. You always max out your connection speed, no matter the age of the file. Old torrents are usually extremely slow, as they are seeded by home connections.

Contents: You can't compare the usenet to a single tracker, but to the cloud. There's no clear winner, if you compare usenet to sites like TPB or demonoid for example. You can't compare it to any private tracker, as they all get squashed. I'll get to the "niche" trackers later.

Searching the contents: There are several automatic and manual indexers (FST is one of them). Also, there are several bt trackers. The difference is you would need quite a lot of memberships on sites to even close to what a NZB indexer can find. It's a clear win for Newsgroups too. Automated indexing sites like NZBIndex.nl or even Newsleecher's integrated SuperSearch blow away any competition. If you got used to the manual indexing, like you see on any tracker, then you'll find FST's NZB section very lookalike.

Cost-effectiveness: I have already mentioned that you don't have to keep your PC turned on 24/7 seeding 365 days per year. You can shut it down any time you want and still get the files when you wish without ratio worries.
Additionally, many people resort to seedboxes to keep their ratios up and build a "buffer". Once you start using newsgroups, and if you ever paid for a seedbox before, you will shake your head in disbelief when you think of the wasted money. The cost of a decent seedbox is enough to let you pay for newsgroups for one entire year. Add to this the power saving, the hassle saving, and do your math. So, saying bittorrent is free and usenet is not, is a false statement. Obviously, BT is populated with kids who live with their parents who cough up the cash for the bills, so they will always argue this point.

Community: What is a community? FST surely is one, xtremesystems is another, etc. In the end of the day, if you are a guy with too much free time, you will see you won't have to participate in some communities you otherwise wouldn't bother to, unless you are expecting some kind of reconnaissance to get you invited to other places. This saves you a lot of time you can spend on other tasks, like banging your wife / girlfriend. Newsgroups is about getting your files and few technical related discussions. Bittorrent is about the drama. So, BT wins on entertainment value, to the day you get bored.

In my personal opinion, for a perfect downloading experience you would use usenet for nearly everything, a couple of niche trackers (BCG, what.cd and a few elearning sites) and places like warez-bb or even emule for very rare contents.

PS: Oh, did I say you don't have to deal with kids who masturbate each other because they "staff" at some site? And who behave like heroes because they can ban you and even tell their buttbuddies to ban you too? Expecting it makes any difference because all summed up you can get the same content at a dozen other places.

[P2PDog]

Another negative for BT is Security: With BT everyone you download from, or upload to, can see and log your IP address. With Usenet or DDL only your service provider would have access to that.

[Disme]

It can take some effort and some time but usenet can be free too.
This is a snapshot of my Sabnzbd Usenet-client that I use without any kind of paying subscription at all.

http://i55.tinypic.com/1t36hc.png
Translation:
Omvang = Total Size Downloaded
Deze maand = Downloaded this month
Deze week = Downloaded this week.

Keep in mind I deleted my history about 3 months ago.

[bijoy]

Another negative for BT is Security: With BT everyone you download from, or upload to, can see and log your IP address. With Usenet or DDL only your service provider would have access to that.

+ all of their 'staffs' can even see users email ID and can use them (to spam obv) ;)

[Disme]

Another negative for BT is Security: With BT everyone you download from, or upload to, can see and log your IP address. With Usenet or DDL only your service provider would have access to that.

+ all of their 'staffs' can even see users email ID and can use them (to spam obv) ;)

Only a careless person uses a non-disposable e-mail adress when registering on a tracker!

[Cabalo]

It can take some effort and some time but usenet can be free too.
This is a snapshot of my Sabnzbd Usenet-client that I use without any kind of paying subscription at all.

http://i55.tinypic.com/1t36hc.png
Translation:
Omvang = Total Size Downloaded
Deze maand = Downloaded this month
Deze week = Downloaded this week.

Keep in mind I deleted my history about 3 months ago.

Are you downloading the internet ?
Over 1Tb per month ? :blink: I didn't even know there was so much stuff available for download.

[shipwreck]

Don't want to disturb the usenet love-in, but torrents can be absolutely pain free, too. Time consuming? Only if you want to, that's up to you. Speeds? Ridiculous on most better trackers these days, thanks to seedbox whores. Maxing out my 100Mbit link is no problem whatsoever.

Thing is, P2P has changed the way pirated material is released these days, at least as far as certain types of content like music or movies are concerned. Torrent trackers have become a source of content themselves, in contrast to the early days when it was all about spreading scene content. Many trackers have their own internal groups with exclusive releases, more often than not faster and of better quality than the traditional scene. Just for that, I wouldn't want to miss torrents, knowing that not all of those releases make it to other trackers even, not to mention usenet or DDL.

Being a member on many sites with terabytes of combined buffer, there simply is no need for me to look for alternatives, there is too much content for me out there as it is. The only 'time consuming' part for me is to decide what I actually want to download, but this would be exactly the same with usenet or other forms of access.

Still, I'm actually glad that the usenet alternative exists, should torrenting die one day, for whatever reason. But until then, I will enjoy the 6 years retention (oldest torrents on the oldest trackers still alive), always 100% completion of bittorrent.

[ajsi]

Being a member on many sites with terabytes of combined buffer, there simply is no need for me to look for alternatives
^This

I max out my speed as well on 95% of things I download (50Mbps), I can probably count on my fingers the times I didn't find what I wanted to download on trackers, so why would I care about usenet. I'm not saying it is bad, the speed/retention factor there seems great, but can you really tell me that you can find stuff from what.cd, pornolab, scc, hdbits, e-learning, music videos etc. all in one place in the same quality?

[bijoy]

+ all of their 'staffs' can even see users email ID and can use them (to spam obv) ;)

Only a careless person uses a non-disposable e-mail adress when registering on a tracker!

sadly most of the trackers block disposable e-mail adresses (domains)

[Tokeman]

Who blocks gmail 0_o

[Disme]

Who blocks gmail 0_o

Pertinent answers FTW! +1

[bijoy]

Who blocks gmail 0_o

I think now we need to have extra mobile number(s) to activate gamil account. :unsure: So.... (I don't have the complete information about this matter but heard something like that.)

[YoYoY]

I never tried NZB before, but Torrenting suits me just fine. As a low bandwith user, I don't really give a damn about the speeds, anything will maximize it. I mean it. As for the content, it's all good. Almost everything I look for is available somewhere on some tracker. Yes I had a few difficulties finding some rare files but I managed to have them at the end. I first thought the forums thing would help me with anything but with time I found that it just doesn't, or maybe i'm just not a forum person which is probably the case. But there are few forums that I do enjoy.

The things I hate are :
1- Seedboxers making it harder than it already is for me to seed and also making me one of them as I end up getting a seedbox to survive.
2- Trackers banning full countries which makes it harder for me to find specific content or just losing an account that I..... use?!.
3- Staffers making it really hard if not impossible for me ( maybe not now, but used to be ) and other new members to join their trackers for no apparent reason.

But, there are still great trackers out there which maintain good content, speed and people. And let me tell you something, good people help.

[Tokeman]

Who blocks gmail 0_o

I think now we need to have extra mobile number(s) to activate gamil account. :unsure: So.... (I don't have the complete information about this matter but heard something like that.)

I just registered for another gmail account. Its logged in, not asking for any mobile numbers or anything...
Don't believe everything you read :)

[Monaco]

Re: Gmail, you can use the same mobile number a bunch of times, like 5 or 6 for text, then additional for voice confirmation.

On topic: Usenet is awesome because I can download say 10 interesting XXX releases without regard to ratio or seeding concerns, which are automatically unpacked the crap can be discarded from the ones I want to use, all with one hand of course.

[Tokeman]

I use gmail daily, and just made one. Why have I never had to do this confirmation thing including on the account I just made...?

[shipwreck]

'Ratio problems' are so 2005. Who has still ratio problems these days, seriously? Only the most conservative sites out there don't have free leech / partial free leech torrents, bonus systems or other ways to make seeding much easier these days, even for the crappy bandwidth users, not to mention all the ratio free sites.

[YoYoY]

'Ratio problems' are so 2005. Who has still ratio problems these days, seriously? Only the most conservative sites out there don't have free leech / partial free leech torrents, bonus systems or other ways to make seeding much easier these days, even for the crappy bandwidth users, not to mention all the ratio free sites.

That's why I'm a member or 99% of the ratio-free trackers out there and use them most of the time. Bonus systems are crap, the only good one is IPT's one. On IPT with a few low-size seeded torrents you can have a few GBs uploaded. Seeding on TT, waffles, BMTV and and sometimes bitme (and these are sites that I use hardcorely ) is a hell, at least with my connection.
And yes, I see people with ratio below 1.0 on many sites so it's pretty common.


Edit : My connection is way to worse that you could imagine. Believe me.

[shipwreck]

Ratio below 1.0 isn't a problem per se, it totally depends on the site. What has no bonus system, very few free leech torrents, thousands of seedbox whores, but at least the ratio demands are very generous.

Problematic are only those sites that make it impossible for low bandwidth users to be awarded for seeding. Bonus systems were introduced as a consequence actually - if a low bandwidth user keeps seeding a large torrent for a relatively long time, he / she can buy a lot of upload credit with the bonus points he collects. At least the better bonus systems work like that.

[YoYoY]

Ratio below 1.0 isn't a problem per se, it totally depends on the site. What has no bonus system, very few free leech torrents, thousands of seedbox whores, but at least the ratio demands are very generous.

Problematic are only those sites that make it impossible for low bandwidth users to be awarded for seeding. Bonus systems were introduced as a consequence actually - if a low bandwidth user keeps seeding a large torrent for a relatively long time, he / she can buy a lot of upload credit with the bonus points he collects. At least the better bonus systems work like that.

Yep.
Too bad most of the sites with bonus systems are ratio-free trackers, so you don't actually need them. Unlike bmtv and bitme where there should be something that helps.

[anon]

Regarding the GMail SMS check: it is only triggered by certain conditions, so it's perfectly possible to create and own several accounts, even from the same IP, without ever getting it.

[A]

Ratio below 1.0 isn't a problem per se, it totally depends on the site. What has no bonus system, very few free leech torrents, thousands of seedbox whores, but at least the ratio demands are very generous.

Problematic are only those sites that make it impossible for low bandwidth users to be awarded for seeding. Bonus systems were introduced as a consequence actually - if a low bandwidth user keeps seeding a large torrent for a relatively long time, he / she can buy a lot of upload credit with the bonus points he collects. At least the better bonus systems work like that.

Yep.
Too bad most of the sites with bonus systems are ratio-free trackers, so you don't actually need them. Unlike bmtv and bitme where there should be something that helps.
Now, now, don't challenge their intelligence. They might ban you :lol:

[bijoy]

Regarding the GMail SMS check: it is only triggered by certain conditions, so it's perfectly possible to create and own several accounts, even from the same IP, without ever getting it.

thanks for this info. :)

[shipwreck]

There are hundreds of free mail providers out there, gmail is just one of them. Creating one or two for torrenting really isn't much of a deal surely?

[CleverMan]

What the hell for one would need several mail accounts (ohter than trading, etc)? i hate even having 2 account, because i have to login 2 times to check inbox or whatever, wasting time. I got only 2 or 3 spam letters in approximately a year which seems to be related with trackers. No worthy tracker uses your email to spam, just don't register rushly on all those new unreliable trackers that pop-up everyday. And don't listen to bijoy :lol:

[shipwreck]

Erm....using a proper e-mail client? Checking a number of accounts at once easily.

I would never use my 'proper', 'official' accounts for semi-legal activity. That's just stupid and has nothing to do with trading.

[ca_aok]

It's not like you ever have to check an email address for torrenting unless you're expecting a new invite confirmation email...

[Hypatia]

- cost per month (con)

$11/month.= Several bottles of beer

- difficult to distinguish what’s a “safe” and what isn’t

Its not. For experienced users.Thus newbies should stick to torrents.Then, come to nzb sites, then learn how to work without them

On topic..


Usenet owns at :


Content wise

- Movies.
Both general and to some extent classic: BluRays (THIS! Taking into account that one can get all those huge blurays at ones max speed 100% time and even the stuff posted 2,5 years ago. that is something to look for and pay for
If you know how to search for them.. Only HDbits can compete with usenet on this one) , BDRip, DVDrip, HDTV etc movie\tv-series category
- Software
-Games(console\PC)
-XXX (both scene and non-scene)


Technical side wise

- Speed.
Oh yes , babe.How about 50 megabytes non-stop downloading files posted 950+days ago?
-Retention.
Huge. And all files that are available will be downloaded at max speed


Usenet sucks at


Content wise

- Music(both mp3 and especially lossless)
- Anime,
- and some speficic content one can find on certain torrents


Technical side wise

-DMCA takedowns. One should consider a NNTP provider that knows its way around this shit (Astraweb)
- Repair\Incomplete
due to possible temporary glitches on providers side resulting in screwed up uploads.=>repost\repair, or on the end user side(posting one).

just my 2 cents

[Green Goblin]

i wish someone had pointed out usenet to me years ago, (and if they did i am sorry for not paying attention) i find myself using torrents less and less everyday, usenet is free for me thanks to my isp (i would gladly pay if this was not the case) and i now get to turn my pc off at night instead of seeding shit for days, all that time i wasted on torrents what a douche i was.
usenet is easy to use, i think it's safer and there is definatley a lot less drama going on.

[Hypatia]

years ago
Years ago it wasnt THAT good.Mainly in terms of retention.So youve gotten on the train right on time =))

[heiska]

Usenet is pretty much useless for lossless music. Inner-sanctum has been pre'ing all the scene mp3s since early 2010, so there's plenty of them there.

For anything else, usenet win IMO.

[Lucifer9999]

be serious.. there are some great torrent sites , which combined surclass any form of filesharing known to man till now!!! :)

[kukushka]

- Movies.
Both general and to some extent classic: BluRays (THIS! Taking into account that one can get all those huge blurays at ones max speed 100% time and even the stuff posted 2,5 years ago. that is something to look for and pay for
If you know how to search for them..
you mean, abhdtv.net forum that requires some money just to see that it's kinda useless when you have all the major trackers?
whenever i asked for some particular stuff that i wasn't able to get from trackers, usenet lacked it too

as for all public indexers - it gives a strong messy feeling of a public tracker except that there's next to none feedback so you can never be sure what you download before you'll get it. maybe there are some advanced techniques to guess that the stuff you need is fake/passworded etc but definitely it's not "wysiwyg" in some decent %% of cases

ps for those who saw my previous requests for some particular bd's - my starter for 10 / stage beauty / oss117 in rio 32gb requests got filled through ptp.

[Solitude]

except that there's next to none feedback
And except that you can actually download it, full speed ;)

[kukushka]

except that there's next to none feedback
And except that you can actually download it, full speed ;)
1 this "IT" has to exist in newsgroups,
2 it has to be found at first,
3 there should be some ways to find out without too much efforts what the pass is if there's any...
so it's not like you pay money and you get what you want, if your wishes have a bit more variety than usual scene shit, newsgroups can be useless. maybe comparing to tpb/demonoid it's ok, but apart from it, i couldn't find any hints for newgroups to be any near kind of a goldmine for my movie needs...

...i wouldn't mind to have a regular access to news as a backup solution, just like i'm using ddl, but considering all of the factors above plus the monetary one, it's just not effective for me

[Solitude]

1 this "IT" has to exist in newsgroups,
2 it has to be found at first,
3 there should be some ways to find out without too much efforts what the pass is if there's any...
I really don't get any much of fakes or passworded stuff, you have a bit gloomy image.



so it's not like you pay money and you get what you want, if your wishes have a bit more variety than usual scene shit, newsgroups can be useless.
Or can be not. I often download non-scene stuff too, like WEB-DL (truth be told BTN is still better for that), or some long forgotten DVDs.

It never was a goldmine for me, but ease of use, speed and lack of need to seed back worth paying.

[Hypatia]

you mean, abhdtv.net forum that requires some money

one can do without it



oss117 in rio

german edition bluray is there (fr\ger audio)


starter for 10

Its also there, English edition




if your wishes have a bit more variety than usual scene shit, newsgroups can be useless


there are loads of nonscene stuff there. Both classic in various edition and general.

What i was trying to say you wont find so many movies at one place, blurays as well, anywhere esle.
And available at full download speedfor almost 3 years
Lots of releases on your russian hdtracker use stuff from usenet .

And please, gief us ~15 titles(and format) that you couldnt find on usenet except those ones mentioned

Im curious.

[IdolEyes787]

be serious.. there are some great torrent sites , which combined surclass any form of filesharing known to man till now!!! :)

I think the relevant point is that many of those "great sites" aren't available to the average person whereas Usenet is .
For example I think it's ludicrous to bring HDbits into the equation because "great" or not it's basically a closed system so you are preaching entirely to the choir.

People may complain about Usenet being mercenary but point of fact at the same time money has no expectations and knows no prejudices .

[kukushka]

one can do without it


oss117 in riogerman edition bluray is there (fr\ger audio)


starter for 10
Its also there, English edition




if your wishes have a bit more variety than usual scene shit, newsgroups can be uselessthere are loads of nonscene stuff there. Both classic in various edition and general.

What i was trying to say you wont find so many movies at one place, blurays as well, anywhere esle.
And available at full download speedfor almost 3 years
Lots of releases on your russian hdtracker use stuff from usenet .

And please, gief us ~15 titles(and format) that you couldnt find on usenet except those ones mentioned

Im curious.
where those starter for 10 & oss 117 can be found?
as for 15 titles (why not 10 or 20? ;) ) - atm the only title that i'm after is japanese uncut bd of transporter. i'm aware that there is a remux at newsgroups but it wasn't "clearly" named and it's passworded so it requires some "advanced" skills to find it and download.. as for older stuff - for dvd: sabotage 1996, dollar for the dead, that thing you do (extended), beowulf 1999 r1, attention bandits! 1986, most wanted 1997 - for those dvd's i had to make (successful) dvd requests; for full bd's - after my req's got filled most of the stuff got forwarded to hdbits and further so if they were upped less than a year ago, they were probably issued from bt too: Dude, Where's My Car? , Dan in Real Life (US) , Major League , So I Married an Axe Murderer , Les rivières pourpres II - Les anges de l'apocalypse aka Crimson Rivers 2: Angels of the Apocalypse, Billy Madison
MR 73 with 25 mbit vc1 - i had to leech it from ddl.

hdtracker - it's hard to remember when was the last time when i could find there something useful for me except for some variants of russian audio tracks.
but speaking of russian oriented trackers, i wonder if hdclub took Sherlock Jr. & Three Ages (1924/1923) Blu-ray 1080p/i AVC DTS-HD 5.1 (http://tracker.hdclub.com.ua/details.php?id=7425&hit=1)
released 4 days ago from newsgroups

..as for "one place" - do you use one forum/site to search for things? and here's the name of "one" place for bt - rutracker :)

[stoi]

You cant really compare them though, they are 2 totally different protocols.

Usenet:
1 uploader, uploads to their servers, 1000`s download from their servers
no idea how many members they have but lets say $11 per month, 500,000 customers = $5.5mil per month = server farms galore

Torrents:

Lots of members sharing, on their own bandwith, some seedbox, but for the most part, home connections, seeding lots of torrents = primarily slow downloads (especially on older stuff)
No where near 500,000 donors, not even on the biggest tracker, probably and this is just a guess, biggest tracker/s getting about $10,000 a month max, and more than likely less than $1000 per month = no server farms.

Usenet vs FTP vs Web DL

Torrents Vs Emule Vs limewire (if its still going) would be a better comparisin.

[duarte]

Before I started using Usenet I had 1.5Tb worth of storage and thought it was enough.

Then I got Usenet and now I got 11Tb worth of storage.

True Story. Usenet makes 20Gb for 1 film seem perfectly rational.

[mjmacky]

makes 20Gb for 1 film seem perfectly rational.

Regardless of download method/speed and storage capacity, I don't think 20 GB is rational. An encode of some typical 20 GB BD source at just over 50 % bitrate is very, VERY, transparent at same resolution in most cases, and that's using the same codec (albeit different implementation). I feel that the sizes are inflated because of the hardware development + codec implementation limitations (both in encoding and compatibility concerns).

[duarte]

guess I'm not rational then.. or ahead of the curve, 1Tb to me is not alot of space...and 20gb for my favourite film at its highest quality...worth it!

I could re-encode my collection to make smaller - but really CBA :)

[shipwreck]

20GB? Self-made remuxes of some of my favourite movies are up to 40GB in size. Some Blu-rays have very little extras, most of the BD50 space is used for the main movie.

[Hypatia]

'm aware that there is a remux at newsgroups but it wasn't "clearly" named and it's passworded so it requires some "advanced" skills to find it and download

its passworded because its internal release from abhdtv

so if they were upped less than a year ago, they were probably issued from bt too
suuuuuure thing :D
found these
2)Dude, Where's My Car?
2)Dan in Real Life (
3)So I Married an Axe Murderer
4)Les rivières pourpres II ger edition
5)Billy Madison
6)MR 73 ger edition

anyways, i guess everyone will stick to ones own opinion

[kukushka]

its passworded because its internal release from abhdtv

so if they were upped less than a year ago, they were probably issued from bt toosuuuuuure thing :D
found these
2)Dude, Where's My Car?
2)Dan in Real Life (
3)So I Married an Axe Murderer
4)Les rivières pourpres II ger edition
5)Billy Madison
6)MR 73 ger edition

anyways, i guess everyone will stick to ones own opinion
sure thing? why's this irony? i have exact dates when it was released in bt, was a bit too lazy to compare.. purple rivers / mr 73 / bm probably got released earlier, i saw them being dead in hdbits logs and i always had impression that hdbits have a decent synching with newsgroups
so. none of forementioned dvd's could be found? cool. and i asked before about abhdtv, and the only release i'm kinda interested atm is (wow, surprise!) - it's from there.
you also ignored my question about sites where you was able to find stuff like starter for 10, thank you very much :)
u know, i'm not discussing the topic just to hold to my opionion, i'm just a bit curious about how ppl are doing with newsgroups. they say - it's easy, it's easy!! but when it comes to some particular details, it seems like there are some missing links in the chain..

[stoi]

Everything is easy once you have done it a few times, and everyone was/is a noob in something or other until they do it a few times.

BT and Usenet are very easy to grasp.

get client, input your usenet provider/username/password. either download full groups or use a site for nzbs (like here) dl NZB. tell client where to put the files, download files, bingo done, if you client doesnt have a par mechanism, then download quickpar start the par2 file in quickpar, it should fix it, unrar it, watch/play/burn/listen to it.

The only thing that i have found to be a PITA with usenet is some music, they are not multirared, and some dont come with pars, so only way to know they are broken or not is to listen to them, at least with BT you know they wont be broken unless the uploader screwed up. there are also a hell of a lot of viruses on usenet, but if you know what you are doing (6 gig PC game listed as a 500KB file) then you will be safe. passworded rars are a PITA as well, but luckily i havnt got to many of those, and when i do i just delete the things anyway.

[kukushka]

Everything is easy once you have done it a few times, and everyone was/is a noob in something or other until they do it a few times.

i know all this stuff, i dlded some porn from news well before all this bt bullshit started, the missing link for me are those nzb sites. they're either look like btjunkie or (in case of abhdtv) as i said - is pay before you'll find out that it's useless hdbits clone....

[stoi]

So if you have the hdd space, download all groups and get your client to auto update once every 12 hours or so, then you never need to use those sites, ever. (but using the sites are easier if you know what you are after)

PS only one i actually use is http://www.nzbindex.com/ used to be newzleech before it closed down.

[kukushka]

So if you have the hdd space, download all groups and get your client to auto update once every 12 hours or so, then you never need to use those sites, ever. (but using the sites are easier if you know what you are after)

PS only one i actually use is http://www.nzbindex.com/ used to be newzleech before it closed down.
nice joke.. what's the cumulative traffic of all alt.bin? and for bruteforcing passwords on all "rare" "internal" releases i guess i need to use all of my supercomputers. ...oh and i also have to go somewhere (like blu-ray.com) to figure out what possibly i could download.. nice
and this nzbindex is exactly what i had in mind when i mentioned btjunkie.

...i completely understand dsl guys who prefer to spend money on newsgroups instead of seedboxes (and seedboxes, btw exists mainly because of laziness/stupidity of bt staff who can't introduce normal credit systems to stimulate users to share stuff instead of doing hit/n/runs) - ddl or newsgroups is very logical for them, but for "normal" lines with symmetrical speeds choice of the main protocol for pirating stuff can be made with other priorities..

[Cabalo]

Sometimes I feel so special...
All this people complaining about passworded releases, incomplete ones, etc. And yet, on my decade long experience with usenet, only a couple of times I had an incomplete release and only once I got a passworded one.

I must be the José Mourinho of Usenet...

[stoi]

?? itwas not a joke, all you need is about 20 rooms and you have 95% of binaries, chrst alt.bin.boneless and you have 80%

[Cabalo]

Hey stoi, don't you use Newsleecher's SuperSearch? It works better than any automated indexer that I know of.

[stoi]

I tried newsleecher a few years back, didnt like it, I have used newsbin for years, it uses a bit of ram but i like the interface etc, so i just stick with that.

[Cabalo]

I don't use it either for downloads, just for searching the groups with SuperSearch.
Really, give it a try, you won't regret it.
Available for download at the NZB section.

[bijoy]

I got only 2 or 3 spam letters in approximately a year

And I get same amount of spams in lless than 1 hour. Was almost offline for past 1 month or so. Checked spam folder after 1 month, deleted over 500 spams. :/

[Hypatia]

only one i actually use is http://www.nzbindex.com/

Poor choice to use only one indexer

It should be Mysterbin(shows you what is inside archives)+ preferably something like newsleecher's supersearch that dont get takedowns.


before you'll find out that it's useless hdbits clone....


IMAO clones dont have their own releases both blurays and HDTV 1080

[stoi]

why is it a poor choice, i know what i am after, and if i dont I download the whole group and just peruse the whole lot in compact view.

games i use my site to get the filenames/or use my site, movies i use vcdquality (even though its gone downhill a lot recently for votes), music i just go and download gigs and gigs at once i never know what i want with music, and if i do need an app i go to nfohump or orlydb to see the name of the release.

Done it that way for years, and works a treat, dont need anything else.

[Hypatia]

for several reasons

1) there are lots of fakes that you wont spot if they have the same name,structure etc on nzbindex
"Looking" inside archives is a HUGE +

2) Mysterbin SEARCHES INSIDE archives, not only shows you their content(like partially binsearch)

3)Plus,this way you can search without even typing a name. Just using plain size filter and see what is inside those criptic archives


2) nzbindex doesnt have stuff (taken down or just because of technical glitches) that other indexers have.
same might apply to other sites.

Thats why if you havent found something via one indexer you might wanna try another one

[stoi]

but everthing i have wanted has been on that (so far)

never downloaded a fake ever, i just avoid small files and wmvs for the most part.

[fractal]

I don't quite understand why this is an 'either/or' thing.

I mean, I suppose the OP point was to clarify some differences to people where it may've been unclear. Fair and valid.

Personally, I've been using both for years, and I will likely continue to do so for as long as they exist. They both have a purpose.

Usenet is generally where I go first if I'm looking for something, ratio-free is nice.
Then I'll look @ torrent sites, and I'm pretty good about keeping ratios good even on public trackers.

[really obvious point about downloading/uploading from where or where redacted]

I guess if you're considering cost/risk.. then it does matter if a few dollars for usenet a month is worth it, and risk is always between the keyboard and chair, no? :whistling

[shipwreck]

Bottom line: bittorrent > usenet.

Discuss...

[KFlint]

The speed on usenet made me switch long ago and the retention is amazing now. I use bittorrent rarely when I don't find what I need, mainly stuff on bitme.

[Cabalo]

Bottom line: bittorrent > usenet.

Discuss...

Bottom line: usenet > bittorrent

I have been using usenet for my past 18 months as my primary source for downloads, and I do download quite a lot, and I've only used 2 trackers in that period.
One was BCG, because I found there the game I was looking for, along with all the mods and extras, in one pack, something that actually later I found out it was on the usenet, but with a different name. And the second was FTN a couple of weeks ago because I was looking for Hell's Kitchen first 4 seasons, and only from the 5th onwards you could find on the usenet, and at every other generalistic tracker existent.

[wazza100]

Bottom line: bittorrent > usenet.

Discuss...

Bottom line: usenet > bittorrent

I have been using usenet for my past 18 months as my primary source for downloads, and I do download quite a lot, and I've only used 2 trackers in that period.
One was BCG, because I found there the game I was looking for, along with all the mods and extras, in one pack, something that actually later I found out it was on the usenet, but with a different name. And the second was FTN a couple of weeks ago because I was looking for Hell's Kitchen first 4 seasons, and only from the 5th onwards you could find on the usenet, and at every other generalistic tracker existent.

u obviously don't use sites such as sceneaccess :)

[Cabalo]

I obviously do. Forgot to check the archive.

[anon]

This thread has no love for my jDownloader :(

[CleverMan]

Already know at least one thread about this topic, which seems to be one of inexhaustible sources of debate - http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/428243-BT-vs-Usenet
My position is still the same: since it's not really possible to find content similar to that on some unique trackers (kg, cg, tik, sdb, ptp, what, u-g, pedro's, bitme etc), i don't find usenet attractive. Apparently, usenet beats general trackers like tl, scc- so on, but hardly can be a substitute for unique-content trackers.

[KFlint]

This thread has no love for my jDownloader :(

I still can't figure how to use it, am I supposed to max out my connection even without a membership to rapidshare and stuff? When I tried it, I ended up with slow speed. I also didn't find any search engine for DDL that was as good as nzbmatrix (that's the only nzb site I use, I grab the rest using supersearch).

Perhaps if I knew how to use I would be so happy with it that I would drop my usenet membership, but I'm not convince so far.

[anon]

I still can't figure how to use it, am I supposed to max out my connection even without a membership to rapidshare and stuff? When I tried it, I ended up with slow speed.

That depends on the particular file hoster. Some (Mediafire, Megaupload, 4Shared, Rapidshare also removed the speed limits for free users some days ago) will give you good or excellent speeds. Others limit them (Fileserve, Depositfiles, Duckload) limit them as a way to promote their paid subscriptions. Once you know which hosters to prefer, speeds shouldn't be a problem. Also, if interchangeable links are available, you can download multiple parts from a different host each.


I also didn't find any search engine for DDL that was as good as nzbmatrix (that's the only nzb site I use, I grab the rest using supersearch).

I used to search for stuff in Hotfile-Search, then Warez-BB if I couldn't find it there. Now it's just Warez-BB as 90% of the links on HS ironically point to Filesonic, whose speed is horrible because of the bad routing to my country.

[KFlint]

Thx, I'll give it another try.

[Cabalo]

I've stopped using jDownloader some months ago, when it stopped recognizing the captchas on most of the sites.
Have those issues been sorted out meanwhile ?

[anon]

It can OCR anything but reCaptchas as far as I know. Sadly, that's the method most popular sites with captcha protection (Hotfile, Fileserve, Oron) use.

If you don't want to deal with them, then it's a matter of looking for Premium cookies (only supported for RS and MU to deter "illegal account sharing") or using the "good" hosters I mentioned above, none of which use captchas.

[shipwreck]

Let's add some fuel to the fire.




Lets talk in a couple of years when unfortunately the bitorrent communities will cave and eventually disappear under the impossible conditions set by isp's and orgs

That's what they said 2-3 years ago. I'll come back to you in a couple of years, provided that I'm still here, and this forum still exists, of course.

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/347084-why-not-switch-to-usenet?p=3225286&viewfull=1#post3225286

Here I am. Bittorrent is still going strong, while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns...

[Hypatia]

while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns..
one should choose wisely NNTP ISP

[Cabalo]

Let's add some fuel to the fire.




That's what they said 2-3 years ago. I'll come back to you in a couple of years, provided that I'm still here, and this forum still exists, of course.

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/347084-why-not-switch-to-usenet?p=3225286&viewfull=1#post3225286

Here I am. Bittorrent is still going strong, while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns...

You clearly never used usenet to make such a statement.

[shipwreck]

while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns..
one should choose wisely NNTP ISP

True, but on the other hand, Giganews still is the biggest ISP, for example, so quite a few people are actually affected by this.

The point was that the user I quoted expected Bittorrent to go down and become irrelevant in forseeable future, while usenet remined a 'safe haven' for pirates. In reality however, usenet is being threatened today, too, while (private) bittorrent trackers are going stronger than ever. These days, it's become rather difficult to successfully start a new tracker, simply because there are so many of them, too much competition even in the niches.



You clearly never used usenet to make such a statement.

What is wrong about that statement? Do you want to deny that certain newsgroup ISPs are plagued by DMCA takedowns these days, a relatively new phenomenon that didn't exist (to this degree) when the initial statement was made?

[Cabalo]

Define what you consider as plagued.

[Funkin']

What is wrong about that statement? Do you want to deny that certain newsgroup ISPs are plagued by DMCA takedowns these days, a relatively new phenomenon that didn't exist (to this degree) when the initial statement was made?

Big deal. And torrent trackers get taken offline pretty often. Just because either file sharing method(or any others) get heat brought down on them doesn't mean they're going to suddenly disappear.

[shipwreck]

Define what you consider as plagued.

Happening often, being annoying, making a mockery out of the $30something bucks spent on it each month. Something like that.

I'm aware that other providers like Astraweb are not affected by this, at least not to this degree. But still, the fact remains that just like bittorrent trackers before them, usenet is under some pressure from the authorities and media lobby groups, too.



Big deal. And torrent trackers get taken offline pretty often. Just because either file sharing method(or any others) get heat brought down on them doesn't mean they're going to suddenly disappear.

When a torrent tracker goes down temporarily, it doesn't lose the content (at least not under normal circumstances), hence it can't be compared to DMCA takedowns, which make re-upping of the content necessary. They may not really stop usenet in the grand scheme of things, but as I've said, the so called 'safe haven' immune to authorities and lobby groups it is not anymore.

[Cabalo]

1. You are off the loop. You don't have to go far and check on this site how much it costs usenet access. I'll give you an hint, it's around 7,5€ per month.
2. DMCA takedowns often? Or do you mean extremely rarely? Besides, if you know how to use the usenet, those takedowns don't really remove any contents.
3. You're just giving an opinion based on hearsay. I suggest getting your facts straight before posting unsubstantiated opinions.
4. Even if the above mentioned were wrong, the 1000 days retention on maximum speeds clearly beats hands down ANY tracker. Give me one tracker that can max out a 40mbit connection on all 3+ year old files.
5. Contents. Check my previous quote from another similar discussion. Heck, just for the comparison of it, FST has gone live around 6 months ago with the V2 of the NZB section, and it already indexes more stuff than most of the trackers around. And we're very small compared to some major NZB sites, yet.

[mjmacky]

This is true shipwreck, lurn moar bout usenet, itll be to yo ben-a-fit.
A lot of what you're saying appears very disconnected and rumor driven from the point of view of an active usenet user, which is why it was obvious you weren't a usenet user. DMCA "takedowns" are usually assumed in those cases, but not confirmed, and it's based on how the post is affected (which is all I'll limit myself to say). I made the mistake the first month by paying $25/mo for Giganews when I was breaking myself into usenet, after I ran up my low tolerance for stupidity on private trackers so it was sort of rushed. However, any regular user should be at the receiving end of great service for just around $10/mo. Plus the fact that it's completely open, and not just the "scene" posts to it, it's a great medium for anyone to use (giver or taker).

[Evelyn]

ain't this became an identical to everlasting browser-war

[WickedMAN]

usenet costs money. torrents does not. guess who won? end of the story.

[Hypatia]

usenet costs money. torrents does not. guess who won? end of the story.
lol
you won, mon ami.
A medal. Guess what medal? :D

[Disme]

usenet costs money. torrents does not. guess who won? end of the story.

Big load of J-DYE-style bull-crap ... nowadays if you want to be able to get everything you want on trackers, eventually you will have to get yourself a seedbox ... that costs money too.
You can also download from public trackers but than you risk getting letters from your ISP etc ...

I've been using both methods for some time now ... torrents for many years, usenet for a year or so (still managing to get my usenet-needs filled without any kind of payed subscription) and I have to say I really like the Usenet and even prefer it over torrents.
I've been using both to my utmost satisfaction, since I can get everything I need/want ...

[shipwreck]

First of all, it seems like you guys still missed the point, despite me explaining it in detail repeatedly. It was not about which protocol / way to get stuff was the 'better' one, that's highly subjective anyway, so discussing hours / days / weeks / months or even years about it is retarded indeed. It was about the claim that bittorrent was under pressure from the authorities, ISPs, anti-piracy organisations and other lobby groups, actually to the degree that there is a danger of it going extinct, while usenet is not. It was claimed that in foreseeable time, usenet would be the only alternative left, creating the illusion of 'immunity' of usenet to similar threats. And that, my friends, is an illusion indeed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Second, usenet is older than the WWW. I've used binary newsgroups before some of you were born. Have I used them in recent times? No. Have the fundamental principles of sharing binaries over usenet changed since then? No. So please, spare me the lectures, especially if it's not even relevant for the point I was trying to get across.


But to hell with it, let's keep this thread going ad nauseam.


1. You are off the loop. You don't have to go far and check on this site how much it costs usenet access. I'll give you an hint, it's around 7,5€ per month.

I'm aware of that, actually mentioned $11/month Astraweb myself. But I was talking about Giganews in that specific post, the biggest and most expensive provider that is actually plagued by DMCA takedowns the most.



2. DMCA takedowns often? Or do you mean extremely rarely? Besides, if you know how to use the usenet, those takedowns don't really remove any contents.

Again, depends on your provider.



3. You're just giving an opinion based on hearsay. I suggest getting your facts straight before posting unsubstantiated opinions.

Hearsay? I'd like you to point out what the "unsubstantiated" part of my posts was.



4. Even if the above mentioned were wrong, the 1000 days retention on maximum speeds clearly beats hands down ANY tracker. Give me one tracker that can max out a 40mbit connection on all 3+ year old files.

Retention? See TL where I can max out my 100Mbit connection with 5 year old releases, just tested a few myself right now. Not to mention those dozens of specialised trackers that keep old and rare stuff on seedboxes for years. Besides, how relevant is this really in practice? How often do you actually need to download such old releases, especially if you have been around for years? Not to mention all the remasters, internals and whatnot that are being released all the time, depending on the content you're looking for. And there are always requests you can make.



5. Contents. Check my previous quote from another similar discussion. Heck, just for the comparison of it, FST has gone live around 6 months ago with the V2 of the NZB section, and it already indexes more stuff than most of the trackers around. And we're very small compared to some major NZB sites, yet.

Again, highly subjective, it all depends on the type of content you want (especially if you prefer tracker exclusive releases, you have no alternative to bittorrent).

[yevgeny]

hmm theres a lot to like about usenet, i use it occasionally for games cos its way better than 5Kbps on demonoid for stuff like daphne roms, as for replacing mv, what, etc I dont quite think so. Itd be nice to have everything in the one spot instead of joining a hundred different nzb or torrent sites, but moreover I think weve all got it pretty good and they're both about the same.

[Disme]

It was about the claim that bittorrent was under pressure from the authorities, ISPs, anti-piracy organisations and other lobby groups, actually to the degree that there is a danger of it going extinct, while usenet is not. It was claimed that in foreseeable time, usenet would be the only alternative left, creating the illusion of 'immunity' of usenet to similar threats. And that, my friends, is an illusion indeed. Nothing more, nothing less.

100% true ... no file-sharing method will last forever. BT has had some heat, but survived until now and is still going very strong.
Usenet isn't targetted yet like BT, because of the very nature of the newsgroups. They cannot 'shutdown' a newsgroup like they can shutdown a tracker, the only thing they can do (for now) is those DMCA takedowns but we all know it depends on what provider you're with and hasn't had that much impact.

But believe me ... if the usenet get's as popular and widespread as BT is now, the authorities will try to take other measures to prevent the Usenet from being a 'safe-heaven' for filesharing.

This is indeed a pointless discussion ... BT has it pro's and cons, and Usenet has it's own pro's and cons.
It's highly personal and depends indeed on a lot of personal preferences and situations to make a universal statement about wich 'method' suits you best.

[shipwreck]

Disme, let me say that you're a smart fella and understood exactly what I was aiming at. :)

Seriously, just use whatever suits you best. Let's just be glad that there are various alternatives available and that leeching stuff was probably never so easy as it is today, despite all the lobbying and fear mongering. May it long continue.

P.S.: I was ironic with the 'bittorrent > usenet' comment earlier on in this thread btw., thought it was pretty obvious.

[mjmacky]

But you didn't point out one of private BT's biggest flaws, you're subject to the whims of 1337 feeling tweens. And you left out the part about rimjobbing in your quest to find everything you're looking for in privatebt.

[Disme]

But you didn't point out one of private BT's biggest flaws, you're subject to the whims of 1337 feeling tweens. And you left out the part about rimjobbing in your quest to find everything you're looking for in privatebt.

That's where you are wrong ... I can honestly say I've never had to rim anyones anus to get wherever I wanted. I applied in some GA's for the easily accessible trackers here at FST but never made any requests for the "'higher'-level"-trackers. I just got involved in the community that is FST because I liked it here (and still do) and I never spent much time on IRC, nor did I spend ages on tracker-forums. I just wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere so I never felt like I lacked something. Eventually invites started popping in my PM-boxes here and there (from people I didn't expect).

They based their decisions on the posts they read here and there and the opinion they formed based on that, not on any kind of asskissing. I believe there are a lot of people here at FST and other places that got in all the 'l33t' plces without actually striving to get there.

[shipwreck]

But you didn't point out one of private BT's biggest flaws, you're subject to the whims of 1337 feeling tweens. And you left out the part about rimjobbing in your quest to find everything you're looking for in privatebt.

Never once had to. Simply asking for an invite, usually the tracker staff themselves, was always enough. Most of my trackers I joined through open signups even, which used to be a lot more common back in the days than they are now.

You can get involved in all the drama and ego tripping kids, but you don't have to. I never did. For some, it's even some kind of entertainment.

[zot]

Most of my trackers I joined through open signups even, which used to be a lot more common back in the days than they are now.

I remember when open signups were the rule. It seemed like it was only after the Elite Torrents Bust in 2005 that virtually all the other private tracker sites immediately ended open registration and started an "invite only" policy.

After the Oink bust I thought that they'd all think "what the hell" and re-open registrations (as it obviously offered little protection) but it seems to have become part of the exclusivist/elitist culture: the harder a place is to get in, the more desirable it becomes.

[shipwreck]

And I personally think that this 'elitist' culture, which was 'imported' from the traditional scene and wasn't characteristic for private torrent trackers at first indeed, is a negative development, in essence contradictory to the principle of file sharing. So if you want to criticise the current tracker world, that's a valid point IMHO.

However, there simply are so many good trackers out there these days that there are good or even excellent alternatives for all of the so called 'rare' trackers, provided that you're really only interested in the content and less about the 'status' of being member on a rare, exclusive site.

[meszi]

...I use without any kind of paying subscription at all.

How do u do this ??? Sounds like sci-fi to me

[Quarterquack]

...I use without any kind of paying subscription at all.

How do u do this ??? Sounds like sci-fi to me

IPv6 gateway. ;)

[Disme]

How do u do this ??? Sounds like sci-fi to me

IPv6 gateway. ;)

Correct but there's some more tricks on my sleeve other than ipv6 ;)

[meszi]

IPv6 gateway. ;)

Correct but there's some more tricks on my sleeve other than ipv6 ;)


http://mrbadak.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/omg.gif

Teach me Master, TEACH ME please !

[Quarterquack]

Correct but there's some more tricks on my sleeve other than ipv6 ;)

Forgive my ignorance, then, as I'm not even half as dedicated to UseNet as people here (and elsewhere) are. What are the other ways?

I know a lot of free providers, and free advertisement/endorsement type deals, but none at the "better" providers like astra/leaseweb. What are the links that I'm missing? :)

[shipwreck]

Patience, young padawan. The dark side is strong with you.

[worthlessone]

abhdtv+hdbits=massive amount of caps and blurays YAY!

[mjmacky]

That's where you are wrong ... I can honestly say I've never had to rim anyones anus to get wherever I wanted. I applied in some GA's for the easily accessible trackers here at FST but never made any requests for the "'higher'-level"-trackers. I just got involved in the community that is FST because I liked it here (and still do) and I never spent much time on IRC, nor did I spend ages on tracker-forums. I just wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere so I never felt like I lacked something. Eventually invites started popping in my PM-boxes here and there (from people I didn't expect).

They based their decisions on the posts they read here and there and the opinion they formed based on that, not on any kind of asskissing. I believe there are a lot of people here at FST and other places that got in all the 'l33t' plces without actually striving to get there.

Never once had to. Simply asking for an invite, usually the tracker staff themselves, was always enough. Most of my trackers I joined through open signups even, which used to be a lot more common back in the days than they are now.

You can get involved in all the drama and ego tripping kids, but you don't have to. I never did. For some, it's even some kind of entertainment.

I wasn't really talking about "leet" sites, I was talking about mindset of some of the people that staff the sites. I've got my own content covered, but I also tend to upload (other content and/or my encodes), and naturally I am more likely to cross paths with a staff member. If I see something redundant or illogical, I speak out, and in response to that you find out 1 of 2 things. (1) This staff member is an idiot that wants a rim job, or (2) the staff member is bright and enlightens me with an experienced perspective. I've mostly only run into the first type. So I've pretty much stuck to usenet for both ul/dl.

[buggyfresh]

usenet - good for new stuff, fast, no ratio etc

torrents (and other protocols like emule) - good for old and rare non-scene releases (nsotalgia is a key reason for my filesharing and many over 30 I suspect), easier to request stuff, etc

Use the both of them for about $35 us/month (seedbox and usenet server) - think I would stop the seedbox first after the usual buffer strategy on trackers b4 stopping the usenet.

[mjmacky]

usenet - good for new stuff, fast, no ratio etc


new = past 3 years, and even then some stuff just gets reposted

[buggyfresh]

usenet - good for new stuff, fast, no ratio etc


new = past 3 years, and even then some stuff just gets reposted

What I dislike most really about the usenet system - the retention in itself is good but the limit (900 days) is not if you want old releases that haven't been reposted - personally I couldn't find many DVDs from scene groups for that reason. But hey between the two of 'em they work fine for me!

[Cabalo]

To those who missed the news, there was a huge promotion last black friday, 4$ per month, unlimited access on one of the providers. That's less than the cost of a pack of cigarettes where I live at.

[mjmacky]

4$... That's less than the cost of a pack of cigarettes where I live at.

Not if you roll your own, I'm paying the equivalent of $1.60