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imnotanaddict

11-18-2003, 07:52 PM

Heres 1 BD.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/latestnewsstory....ubsection=world (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/latestnewsstory.cfm?storyID=3534956&thesection=news&thesubsection=world)

Police search Michael Jackson's home in California

19.11.2003 8.26 am

LOS ANGELES - Police searched pop star Michael Jackson's opulent Neverland Ranch, near Santa Barbara, today after authorities issued a search warrant related to a criminal investigation, a police spokesman said.

While police did not specify the nature of the investigation, the cable channel Court TV said the search warrant stemmed from allegations of sexual abuse brought by a 12-year-old boy against the self-styled king of pop.

A spokesman for Jackson was not immediately available for comment. The allegations come nine years after a 14-year-old reached an out-of-court agreement to settle a lawsuit accusing the singer of molesting him in 1992. No criminal charges were ever brought in that case

imnotanaddict

11-18-2003, 07:57 PM

This 1s a little more informative:

10:22 a.m. November 18, 2003

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/2...aeljackson.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20031118-1022-ca-michaeljackson.html)

Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch raided in criminal probe
Associated Press

LOS OLIVOS – Investigators conducting a criminal probe swarmed Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch on Tuesday, a sheriff's spokesman said. The purpose of the search was not disclosed.

Authorities from the Santa Barbara County sheriff's and district attorney's offices served a warrant about 8:30 a.m. as part of an "ongoing criminal investigation," Sgt. Chris Pappas said in a recorded statement on a media information line.

The district attorney's office had no comment, said legal secretary Debbie Popp.

It was not known whether Jackson or his children were at the Santa Ynez Valley property, which has its own zoo and amusement park with bumper cars, a merry-go-round and Ferris wheel.

Nearly 10 years have passed since the 45-year-old singing superstar faced a child-molestation investigation in a case that never resulted in criminal charges.

The singer who had international hits with the albums "Thriller" (1982), "Bad" (1987) and "Dangerous" (1991), saw his career begin to collapse in 1993 amid allegations he molested a boy. Jackson maintained his innocence, and charges were never filed. He reportedly paid a multimillion-dollar settlement.

Jackson is also connected to Hollywood private eye Anthony Pellicano, who has begun serving federal prison time for possessing illegal explosives, and is being investigated about whether he secretly taped conversations of celebrities and their lawyers.

Pellicano, 59, reportedly worked for Jackson while the singer was under investigation for child molestation in the early 1990s.

As the raid was under way, Court TV reported that the warrant was tied to allegations brought by a 12-year-old boy. That could not immediately be confirmed by The Associated Press.

Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, did not answer his cell phone and did not immediately return messages Tuesday.

In a television documentary broadcast on ABC earlier this year, Jackson said he had slept in a bed with many children. "When you say bed you're thinking sexual," the singer said. "It's not sexual, we're going to sleep. I tuck them in. ... It's very charming, it's very sweet."

The search came on the same day Epic Records released "Number Ones," a greatest hits collection featuring Jackson's new single, "One More Chance." On Nov. 26, CBS is scheduled to air a Jackson special consisting mainly of old concert footage.

Jackson has three children, and caused an international uproar last year when he displayed his baby, Prince Michael II, to fans by dangling him briefly from a fourth-floor balcony in Germany, where he had gone to accept an award.

Jackson called the incident a "terrible mistake," and Berlin authorities said the actions were not punishable.

Not much is known about Prince Michael II, whose mother has not been identified. The singer's 6-year-old son, Prince Michael I, and 5-year-old daughter, Paris, were born during his marriage to Debbie Rowe, his plastic surgeon's nurse, which ended in 1999.

He was also married to Lisa Marie Presley, Elvis's daughter, between 1994 and 1996.

Jackson routinely keeps the children's heads covered with cloth while escorting them in public – and he usually sports a surgical mask himself when out and about. He has said he wants to protect them from the public eye.

lynx

11-19-2003, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by blade1356uk@18 November 2003 - 19:08
The ITV news has just reported that Michael Jackson's Ranch Neverland is under investigation by the police ,there has been another allegation that a 9 yrs old child has been molested.If this is true when are the USA authorities going to arrest this guy properly & sort out the allegations,if an ordinary member of the public had been under investigation he or she would have been arrested,but I guess because it's Michael Jackson it will get brushed under the carpet.Any views on the news.
I'm no fan of Jackson's (in fact I can't stand the twat) but to say it get's brushed under the carpet because of who he is a more than a little unfair.

If he had been "an ordinary member of the public" it is doubtful whether this raid would have even made the news. And it is not unknown for people to make stories up against famous/rich people in the hope of getting a big payout either from the person themselves or alternatively from the media.

I prefer to wait until a proper investigation has been conducted before commenting on his "actions".

clocker

11-19-2003, 03:23 AM

Excellent Lynx.

In addition, police and prosecutors need to be especially careful when dealing with allegations made by children.
I'm sure that they are being cautious, not "brushing it under the rug." A procedural error at this stage could destroy any future hope of prosecution.

lynx

11-19-2003, 03:52 AM

Clocker, I don't imagine they call you "fan boy" either. :lol:

j2k4

11-19-2003, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by lynx@18 November 2003 - 23:52
Clocker, I don't imagine they call you "fan boy" either. :lol:
Nor me.

This smells kinda rank.

I'm not one to jump the gun, but I think it's about time someone got to the bottom of this cat's bag of tricks.

He's already suspected of buying off one (or more) accusers.

It's not as if he's worried what anyone thinks.

kAb

11-19-2003, 04:47 AM

i didn't grow up with michael jackson, so i don't "love" him or his music.

I think he is a perverted sicko who needs to be put behind bars.

Hes dangled his kid one to many times.

Molesting kids is the lowest of the low <_<

he deserves jail.

j2k4

11-19-2003, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by kAb@19 November 2003 - 00:47
i didn't grow up with michael jackson, so i don't "love" him or his music.

I think he is a perverted sicko who needs to be put behind bars.

Hes dangled his kid one to many times.

Molesting kids is the lowest of the low  <_<

he deserves jail.
Yes, kAb, but we must allow the process to wend it's way forward-we must let the wheels turn, yes?

If he is found to be guilty of something, then tear his balls off, and feed them to his giraffe, or one of his monkeys. ;)

Alex H

11-19-2003, 06:17 AM

Another sex allegation against Michael Jackson? THE GUY FREELY ADMITS TO SHARING HIS BE WITH CHILDREN!

Funnily enough, this is kinda like j2k4's topic here (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=82478) in terms of abused children...

I don't think it matters how much you pay the kid (or their parents) to drop a case like that - for someone with almost unlimited wealth he can afford to just pay them off and move on to the next one. And they kids will keep being abused.

blade1356uk

11-19-2003, 09:21 AM

By the term brushing under the carpet,meaning 10 yrs ago Jackson paid off a 12 yr old for alleged child molestation,why pay someone off if you have not done anything,or is this a publicity stunt because of Jackson's new album being released ???

hooked

11-19-2003, 09:35 AM

MICHAEL JACKSON RULES

:P

blade1356uk

11-19-2003, 10:45 AM

I have listened to the Jacksons music since they first hit the charts in the UK & I love there music & Michaels,but the problem is he has a few kids of his own & he should look after them, not other peoples,this leads up to him being accused & shot at every time something comes up like a kid who accuses him of abuse.the only way he can stop this if he stops having other people's kids at his ranch.I love my kids & grandkids ,but I certainley would not let them stop at a person's house when they have been the subject to sexual abuse rumours,but I guess some parent's think of the money before there kids welfare.

hooked

11-19-2003, 10:48 AM

rumours are mostly not true especially when it comes to well known peeps

dwightfry

11-19-2003, 11:11 AM

Think about it this way, he had 1 kid accuse him years ago, and he paid him off to avoid court. Before that he had had hundreds of kids to his ranch, maybe even thousands, why were there no problems then. Since then he's had hundreds, maybe thousands of kids to his ranch, why wasn't there any more accusations before now.

If he really was a pedophile then there would be no way for him control himself when he has kids sleeping in his room with no supervision, and there wouldn't have been a 11 year break.

The man is strange, and not very smart, but he means good. I think it's sick when somebody tries to hurt a good person just because they don't understand him, and wants his money.

(Don't try telling me that he paid them all off over the years, there is NO way that the media wouldn't have found out. Not even the National Enquirer had accusation stories and they'll print anything if there is any chance that it could be true)

blade1356uk

11-19-2003, 11:29 AM

yeah D granted but many famous people have been in the news recently,being accused of sexual assault over the last 30 years.so I would not assume that no one may come forward in years to come.A lot of these kid's may be too frightened to say & come forward.so we can only wait & see,I hope the allegations are not true,but sex offenders may use different way's to get at our kids.And they are the one's that need protecting.

j2k4

11-19-2003, 05:34 PM

An arrest warrant for Jackson was issued about an hour ago. ;)

mrcall1969

11-19-2003, 06:05 PM

"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.

j2k4

11-19-2003, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)

J'Pol

11-19-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by j2k4+19 November 2003 - 19:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 19 November 2003 - 19:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;) [/b][/quote]
I second your echo baldy.

j2k4

11-19-2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by J'Pol+19 November 2003 - 14:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 19 November 2003 - 14:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:20
<!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)
I second your echo baldy. [/b][/quote]
That surely settles the question, then. :)

J'Pol

11-19-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by j2k4+19 November 2003 - 19:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 19 November 2003 - 19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:20
<!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)
I second your echo baldy.
That surely settles the question, then. :) [/b][/quote]
Case closed I think.

What will we talk about now ....

j2k4

11-19-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by J'Pol+19 November 2003 - 14:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'Pol @ 19 November 2003 - 14:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:34

Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:20
<!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)
I second your echo baldy.
That surely settles the question, then. :)
Case closed I think.

What will we talk about now .... [/b][/quote]
George W. Bush's vocal shortcomings, I think. :)

J'Pol

11-19-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by j2k4+19 November 2003 - 19:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 19 November 2003 - 19:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:41

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:34

Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:20
<!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)
I second your echo baldy.
That surely settles the question, then. :)
Case closed I think.

What will we talk about now ....
George W. Bush's vocal shortcomings, I think. :) [/b][/quote]
Your President's oral deficiences are of no interest to me. :o

blade1356uk

11-19-2003, 07:09 PM

What the hell has bush got to do with Michael Jackson,this is a serious offence being brought to him & I said this morning Jackson should not have other people's kid's stopping at his ranch & I agree the family who took £14 million payoff should be ashamed I hope the greedy sod's enjoy the cash while other kids have suffered at the hands of Jackson & I do not give a toss what his lawyers say or his so called fans,if another celebrity had done this they would have been in jail years ago.If the accusations are true they should lock him up & throw away the key.

j2k4

11-19-2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by blade1356uk@19 November 2003 - 15:09
What the hell has bush got to do with Michael Jackson,this is a serious offence being brought to him & I said this morning Jackson should not have other people's kid's stopping at his ranch & I agree the family who took £14 million payoff should be ashamed I hope the greedy sod's enjoy the cash while other kids have suffered at the hands of Jackson & I do not give a toss what his lawyers say or his so called fans,if another celebrity had done this they would have been in jail years ago.If the accusations are true they should lock him up & throw away the key.
Read back a bit, blade.

We agree with you. ;)

hobbes

11-19-2003, 08:11 PM

I wonder, if compelled to answer truthfully, what Chalkmongoose would have to say about the matter.

I really worry what that guy is up to right now.

j2k4

11-20-2003, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by hobbes@19 November 2003 - 16:11
I wonder, if compelled to answer truthfully, what Chalkmongoose would have to say about the matter.

I really worry what that guy is up to right now.
Hmmmmm...

I'd forgotten all about that boy. :huh:

Scary, that..... :(

uNz[i]

11-20-2003, 07:25 AM

A warrant has now been issued for Jackson's arrest.

Jackson is expected to surrender himself to authorities late on Thursday after consulting with his attorney.

Jackson is expected to meet his attorney, Mark Geragos, at the Santa Barbara County sheriff's office and turn himself in to authorities late Thursday morning, a source told CNN. Jackson's huge estate, Neverland Ranch, is in Santa Barbara County.

District Attorney Tom Sneddon said Jackson faces multiple counts of lewd or lascivious contact with a child younger than 14.

Source CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/19/jackson.ranch/index.html)

j2k4

11-20-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by uNz[i]@20 November 2003 - 03:25
A warrant has now been issued for Jackson's arrest.

Jackson is expected to surrender himself to authorities late on Thursday after consulting with his attorney.

Jackson is expected to meet his attorney, Mark Geragos, at the Santa Barbara County sheriff's office and turn himself in to authorities late Thursday morning, a source told CNN. Jackson's huge estate, Neverland Ranch, is in Santa Barbara County.

District Attorney Tom Sneddon said Jackson faces multiple counts of lewd or lascivious contact with a child younger than 14.

Source CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/19/jackson.ranch/index.html)
Mark Geragos again, hmm?

;)

3RA1N1AC

11-20-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by j2k4+19 November 2003 - 10:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 19 November 2003 - 10:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:41

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:34

Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:20
<!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)
I second your echo baldy.
That surely settles the question, then. :)
Case closed I think.

What will we talk about now ....
George W. Bush's vocal shortcomings, I think. :) [/b][/quote]
if GWB could sing half as well as MJ, i might be willing to let him slide on the iraq thing or a few child molestations and hooker scandals. the man is just plain untalented.

blade1356uk

11-20-2003, 11:22 AM

Well looks like more kids are coming foreward,to point the finger at Jackson,like I said yesterday,some people who had been abused ,only find the courage to face what happened to them years down the line.Jackson should give himself up & stop giving lame excuses through his lawyer's.

dwightfry

11-20-2003, 01:56 PM

Yeah more people are going to come forward...that doesn't mean they are telling the truth. It's called opportunity.

I'm not saying he's definitly innocent, but he isn't definitly guilty, and I don't think people should treat him as such. He's not the only guy in the world who devotes his life to helping children, he is just the only one who can afford to do it to this level. The first accusations was for money anyways, there of several witnesses of the father bragging about the money he was going to get out of Jackson, not about how he wants justice.

The bottom line is you don't know what happens at the ranch, none of you have ever been there, so you have no right to judge.

(If he does turn out to be guilty, I will be the first one admitting I was wrong. If he turns out to be innocent, will any of you admit that you were wrong?)

j2k4

11-20-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+20 November 2003 - 05:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 20 November 2003 - 05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 10:47

Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:41

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:34

Originally posted by J'Pol@19 November 2003 - 14:26

Originally posted by j2k4@19 November 2003 - 19:20
<!--QuoteBegin-mrcall1969@19 November 2003 - 14:05
"If" he is guilty of this then he deserves everything that's coming to him, personally I think there's no smoke without fire.

I just hope the parents of the kid he "paid off" ten years ago can sleep at night, if they had any morals they would have made sure he wasn't on the streets to do anything like this again.
I must echo your thoughts, mrcall. ;)
I second your echo baldy.
That surely settles the question, then. :)
Case closed I think.

What will we talk about now ....
George W. Bush's vocal shortcomings, I think. :)
if GWB could sing half as well as MJ, i might be willing to let him slide on the iraq thing or a few child molestations and hooker scandals. the man is just plain untalented. [/b][/quote]
I think we could reasonably forecast that Jackson's approach to domestic spending would be even loose than Dubya's, 3RA1N1AC. (It is awfully difficult to type your name!) :)

Red_Queen

11-20-2003, 03:32 PM

Michael is eccentric and bizarre but maybe this is just some wankers wanting to leech him.After 10 years?True paedophile can't wait 2 years to molest kids.Oh well,will wait for the verdict.Hopefully all this shenanigans will stop ppl from trying to leech him one and for all.Knowing that he won't be able to pay them off next time coz he'll be dancing to the jailhouse rock tune.

PS:In Japan,it's very common for daughters and son to sleep or have bath with their dad.Even if they're over 16 :P Maybe Michael should move to Japan......

far

11-20-2003, 05:14 PM

POOR Poor man!..All he ever wanted was to make this world a better place for our children..And talk about hitting him where it hurts the most...
BUT the bigger question is WHY would a father of a victem ACCEPT MONEY!!" That say's more about the father than it does about Michael!...and this happend in 93....No parent in his right mind would let a pedophile go free.
MJ is very naiv...He doesnt understand that people can be this cruel..People are using him for his money.

blade1356uk

11-20-2003, 06:34 PM

Look Bob Geldof & Midge Ure Did Live Aid in 1985 & all the money went to the starving people & children,so because all people who have helped children in one way or another ,gives them the right to go to bed with little kids.There are sick kids & the under privelaged all over the world ,so anyone who helps these kids ,can have a licence to get in bed with them.C'mon wake up if they were his kids ok. All parents have had there kids wake up in the night & got in bed with Mom & Dad, Which is natural ,but if I invited a kid who I helped & got him or her in my bed ,well would everyone say it was ok because I had helped them,look enough is enough the guy admitted on worldwide tv that some kids had got into his bed in the night.any responsible adult would have taken the child back to his or her room & waited till they had settled.he should be content with his own children.And stop hanging them out of hotel windows & dressing them up like the cast from the Adams Family.

ilw

11-20-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry@20 November 2003 - 13:56

The bottom line is you don't know what happens at the ranch, none of you have ever been there, so you have no right to judge.

(If he does turn out to be guilty, I will be the first one admitting I was wrong. If he turns out to be innocent, will any of you admit that you were wrong?)
If he's acquitted it means a lot less than if he's proven guilty because of the beyond reasonable doubt thing. He won't have proved his innocence to the same degree as they must prove his guilt, so of course any allegation that gets to this level is damaging to his image. However, the police had enough evidence to raid his home and then they must have found something to deserve an arrest warrant.
i think i agree the smoke-fire people.

From the admittedly little i've seen of him, MJ seems more than a little bit f*cked in the head, it seems risky to let him near children let alone allow them to sleep in his bed.
If he wants to help children, donate to a childrens charity or something, why does he seem hellbent on having other peoples children around his home. Personally I can't see how a parent would gamble and allow their kid alone with him unless they're as nutty as MJ himself.

blade1356uk

11-20-2003, 07:36 PM

Well said ilw at last someone with some sense,who believes that helping kids is not by going to bed with them,yeah like you said donate to charity,that is great many stars of the world & ordinary folk do great charity work on behalf of kids.MJ has used this excuse for years & it is wearing a bit thin,I have love the Jacksons music since there early days when they had there first hit song in this country UK,MJ was about 9 or 10 yrs.If the guy is found innocent then he has to draw a line underneath this & stop having kids at his ranch unless there is a chaparone to help & make sure the kids are safe.All his fans are blinded by who he is & what he say's ,he speaks like a child,he is 45 yrs 2 yrs younger than me & I would not behave like that with other peoples kids,no one should.

margie100

11-20-2003, 10:11 PM

MICHAEL SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO SPEAK WHICH I AM SURE HE WILL. I HAVE SEEN THE TV SPECIALS ON HIM AIRED HERE IN AUSSIE LAST YEAR. I FOUND THE INTERVIEWER TO BE SLEAZY AND CUT A LOT OF FOOTAGE. HE BETRAYED MICHAEL DOING THIS. I THINK MICHAEL 99% OF THE TIME BELIEVES HE IS STILL A CHILD. FOR THIS REASON IF HE IS GUILTY OF THESE THINGS, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT HE IS JUST DOING WHAT WE ALL DID AS CHILDREN. I"LL SHOW YOU MINE IF YOU SHOW ME YOURS BUT AS HE IS IN THE BODY OF AN ADULT MALE IT HAS GONE FURTHER. I HONESTLY FEEL VERY SORRY FOR HIM IF THIS IS TRUE AS HE WILL NEVER HAVE AN ACCEPTED LIFE.

MARGIE :(

Haz

11-20-2003, 11:41 PM

yeah I feel sorry for him too, too get accused of something like this, TWICE!! well I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I'll say he's innocent, he's already turned himself in, and all that, he make bail yet? just have to wait and see what happens.

What really pisses me off is that they brought out all this the same day his new album came out!! Michael already said it was planned that way and I'd have to agree with him, thats just way too fishy, guilty or not that was pretty shitty. :angry:

Keikan

11-20-2003, 11:56 PM

Micheal Jackson is scary looking... :unsure:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1950000/images/_1951469_jacko_150.jpg
Here he is in 1983? When he was doing his "Thriller" video, he gotten a little white but at least he still looks like a guy

http://www.authorsonline.co.uk/pod-covers/images/michael-jackson-early-years-thumb.jpg
Here he is in the 70's when he was still a kid.

http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/f08be5d1d8a3d5/www.msnbc.com/news/2075255.jpg
This is Micheal Jackson today. I can say alot and I can say a little. But I am also puzzled too.

far

11-21-2003, 12:11 AM

Man ..this is not a tabloid board..we dont need his mugshot here!

http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1069370927.jpg

http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1069371015.jpghttp://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1069370969.jpg
http://www.vg.no/bilder/edrum/1069367110821_619.jpg

far

11-21-2003, 12:20 AM

In some ways...This is a good thing for MJ..Finally he will prove to the world that he is innocent.
That Tom Sneddon guy that is leading this invastigation of MJ has only couple of months before he retires...Thats way he is trying to bring MJ down now...Did anyone get to see the press conference about this on cnn yesterday?...U could see on his face how satisfied he was and he was even making jokes!..

Michael wrote a song about him in 95..

D.S.

(Come on, babe)

They wanna get my ass
Dead or alive
You know he really tried
To take me down by surprise
I bet he missioned with the CIA
He don’t do half what he say

Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man, now
Tom Sneddon is a cold man

He out shock in every single way
He’ll stop at nothing just to get his political say
He think he hot ’cause he’s the S.D.A.
I bet he never had a social life anyway
You think he brother with the KKK
I bet his mother never taught him right anyway
He want your vote just to remain D.A.
He don’t do half what he say

’Cause Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Go on, boy
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Go on, boy
Tom Sneddon is a cold man, now
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Thomas Sneddon is a cold man

Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Tom Sneddon is a cold man, now
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
He just, he just, go on, boy!

Slash!

(Come on, babe)

Does he send letters to the FBI
Does he say to either do it or die

Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Go on, boy!
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Go on, boy!
Tom Sneddon is a cold man, now
Tom Sneddon is a cold man
Thomas Sneddon is a cold man

ang3968

11-21-2003, 01:14 AM

Oh where to begin....

I believe in innocence until proven guilty.... but I also believe in protecting kids at almost any cost.

I FOUND THE INTERVIEWER TO BE SLEAZY AND CUT A LOT OF FOOTAGE. HE BETRAYED MICHAEL DOING THIS.
How do you know this???

I THINK MICHAEL 99% OF THE TIME BELIEVES HE IS STILL A CHILD. FOR THIS REASON IF HE IS GUILTY OF THESE THINGS, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT HE IS JUST DOING WHAT WE ALL DID AS CHILDREN. I"LL SHOW YOU MINE IF YOU SHOW ME YOURS BUT AS HE IS IN THE BODY OF AN ADULT MALE IT HAS GONE FURTHER. I HONESTLY FEEL VERY SORRY FOR HIM IF THIS IS TRUE AS HE WILL NEVER HAVE AN ACCEPTED LIFE.

If MJ believes he is still a child and is playing childish games with innocent children then he really does need help... big time help. Not just for what he is doing with children but for every aspect of his life. If he is not a competent adult then he needs a competent adult to look after him.

In some ways...This is a good thing for MJ..Finally he will prove to the world that he is innocent
No, he will prove he is not guilty... as ilw said it means a lot less and is less of a burden than proving guilt.

IF he is innocent then he has faced a hardship in his life.. if he is guilty then he should be treated the same as any other child molester if not more so as his money and fame would have helped him secure more kids to play with along the way.

margie100

11-21-2003, 04:05 AM

I THINK IF IT IS PROVED THAT M.J. IS GUILTY IT WILL BE A SAD DAY. I STILL THINK HE IS A TRAPPED KID IN A MAN"S BODY. MY HEART GOES OUT TO HIM AND I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING I COULD DO FOR HIM AS A MOTHER. BY THE SOUNDS OF HIS LIFE THAT WAS LACKING. SO OFTEN IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT ALL SORTS OF CRIMINALS THEY HAVE NOT HAD A NORMAL BACKGROUND AND CHILDHOOD. I HAD A ROUGH UPBRINGING, NO MONEY, A DAD THAT DRANK AND BEAT US UP BUT MY GRANDPARENTS WERE THERE AND THEY WERE OUR GROUNDING. MAYBE IF NOT FOR THEM MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND MYSELF WOULD NOT COME OUT OF CHILDHOOD REASONABLY NORMAL. ANYWAY I AM SICK AT THE THOUGHT OF M.J. BEING IN JAIL. I DO NOT THINK HE WILL COPE OR SURVIVE. :(

margie100

11-21-2003, 04:06 AM

margie100

11-21-2003, 04:08 AM

cowswithguns

11-21-2003, 07:21 AM

Margie100......I don't think it's a case of whether he will cope or survive. If he is found guilty he will HAVE to cope and survive and I, for one, will not worry one iota.

If he has molested children I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and I honestly hope he rots in hell!

Still, the wheels are still in motion and it is only alleged at present so until the facts are known I will reserve judgement.

blade1356uk

11-21-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by margie100@20 November 2003 - 22:11
MICHAEL SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO SPEAK WHICH I AM SURE HE WILL. I HAVE SEEN THE TV SPECIALS ON HIM AIRED HERE IN AUSSIE LAST YEAR. I FOUND THE INTERVIEWER TO BE SLEAZY AND CUT A LOT OF FOOTAGE. HE BETRAYED MICHAEL DOING THIS. I THINK MICHAEL 99% OF THE TIME BELIEVES HE IS STILL A CHILD. FOR THIS REASON IF HE IS GUILTY OF THESE THINGS, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT HE IS JUST DOING WHAT WE ALL DID AS CHILDREN. I"LL SHOW YOU MINE IF YOU SHOW ME YOURS BUT AS HE IS IN THE BODY OF AN ADULT MALE IT HAS GONE FURTHER. I HONESTLY FEEL VERY SORRY FOR HIM IF THIS IS TRUE AS HE WILL NEVER HAVE AN ACCEPTED LIFE.

MARGIE :(
He has had his chance to speak over a matter of years & sticking the 2 fingered victory sign is an insult to the child & family making the allegations.Songs written about people who have slated him for getting into bed ,does that mean he has something to hide.like I said Wake Up

far

11-21-2003, 02:42 PM

He purposley raised his hands to show everyone he was in handcufs...When he walked out of the jail he smiled and waved to his supporters....Thats the signs of a very strogn man ..telling them even tho u kick me down I always get up!When this whole nightmare is done...He will get the last laugh...He knows what he is doing.

j2k4

11-21-2003, 03:51 PM

Michael Jackson is as nutty as a fruitcake.

No matter what the outcome of the imminent legal set-to, that, I'm sure, will be further and fully clarified. ;)

Haz

11-21-2003, 04:10 PM

:lol: yeah he is out there alright no question bout that.

But I didn't think him flashing the peace sign was improper towards his accusers, like Far said it was just to thank those who showed up to support him.

Too bad Cochrane doesn't do criminal law anymore, I would've liked to see how he would handle all this.

And sorry I don't buy that child trapped in a mans body stuff, he's an intelligent guy, he knows what hes doing, he wouldn't have gotten this far in life with the intelect of a child, that's a poor excuse.

cowswithguns

11-21-2003, 04:31 PM

Fans will, no doubt, find any number of excuses for his behaviour. He is indeed J2k4 as nutty as a fruitcake.

I find it interesting that there has been inuendo for years about his sexual preferences. Is it a witch hunt or is it a case of where there's smoke there's fire?

Whatever the outcome, there will always be debate.

I just wonder what they will actually do with him if he is found guilty. One would imagine he would be at high risk being placed in mainstream prison life. :o

j2k4

11-21-2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by cowswithguns@21 November 2003 - 12:31
I just wonder what they will actually do with him if he is found guilty.  One would imagine he would be at high risk being placed in mainstream prison life.  :o
As you say-

Cons are not sympatico with child molesters.

Did you see the info on his license?

5'11"-120lbs.?

Not exactly built for life behind bars.

We already know he has slept with these boys (he admitted it in '93) in the nude (they identified his little package in police photos) and is on record as thinking all this is hunky-dory.

There's plenty of smoke, if you ask me. ;)

cowswithguns

11-21-2003, 04:55 PM

I know very few facts about his previous 'brush with the law'.....I will endeavour to do some research after some much needed shut eye and return tomorrow. :)

Haz

11-21-2003, 05:07 PM

you 2 made good points, Jackson behind bars? for child molesting? even the most heinous criminals look at child molesters like scum, jeez they'll eat him alive, but somehow I don't think they'll put him in with a standard prison population, hell he'll probably have his own wing.

far

11-21-2003, 05:22 PM

Father Of Jackson's Accuser Denies Charges
Boy In Center Of Bitter Divorce, Custody Battle

POSTED: 7:45 a.m. PST November 21, 2003
UPDATED: 8:00 a.m. PST November 21, 2003

LOS ANGELES -- The attorney for the father of the 12-year-old boy in the center of the Michael Jackson controversy spoke to the media Thursday evening.

FeedRoom

More About Alleged Victim

H. Russell Halper told reporters that his client believes the boy's mother is unfit and does not believe that the pop superstar victimized his son.

"Either she places a child in a home in which he's in danger of being molested, or the alternative, she is encouraging a child to make false accusations," Halper said. "Either way, it makes her unfit."

The alleged victim was featured in a British documentary with Michael Jackson. It was aired earlier this year. The boy is a cancer patient who stayed at Jackson's Neverland Ranch on a few occasions and a child in the center of a bitter divorce and custody battle.

The boy's mother had nothing negative to say about Jackson when she told a British newspaper earlier this year that "at no time has (her son) ever been treated with anything other than love, respect and the deepest kindness by Michael."

source...www.nbc4.tv/entertainment...etail.html

james_bond_rulez

11-21-2003, 05:35 PM

wut stunt is he pulling now? <_<

dwightfry

11-21-2003, 05:39 PM

Just so everyone knows.....I do see Jackson as having severe mental problems, and I do wish he had learned to back off from the kid thing when he was first accused. It's unfair for him to have too if he is innocent, but it would have been the smart thing to do none the less.

The boy's mother had nothing negative to say about Jackson when she told a British newspaper earlier this year that "at no time has (her son) ever been treated with anything other than love, respect and the deepest kindness by Michael."

The investigation started several months ago. I wish I knew exactly when she said this. It could be proof of a lie. (But then again, she might not of wanted to ruin the investigation)

far

11-21-2003, 05:58 PM

SHE SAID IT AFTER THE MARTIN BASHIR DOCUMANTARY AIRED..I dont remember the exact date but it wasnt more then a 3-5 months ago

muchspl2

11-21-2003, 06:03 PM

he wont get away this time, read the police report ;)
he will have his day in court and 10 to 1 he will go to jail

NOVEMBER 18--With sheriff's investigators today executing a search warrant at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch--reportedly in connection with charges made by a 12-year-old boy--attention will again turn to the original allegations of child abuse leveled against the pop star. Below you'll find the bombshell court document that first raised allegations that the singer, now 45, was involved in inappropriate behavior with a young boy. The December 1993 declaration was sworn by a 13-year-old California boy who sued Jackson for, among other things, sexual battery, willful misconduct, and emotional distress. The child's declaration includes a graphic account of alleged sexual encounters with Jackson at Neverland and various hotels. Four months after the Los Angeles Superior Court lawsuit was filed, the two sides announced that the matter had been settled, though terms were not disclosed. News reports have estimated that Jackson paid between $15 and $40 million to settle the tawdry action. No criminal charges were ever filed in connection with the teenager's charges. (4 pages)

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ang3968

11-21-2003, 10:50 PM

the one thing that I can't understand is...

why would MJ go to a place called Rent-A-Wreck?????..... I would have thought he would have more than one car so not need to rent one.... and even if he did need to rent it could all be done by one of his assistants.

Keikan

11-22-2003, 04:19 AM

If i was a celeb i would do many things like look for old beaters to drive... :-"

blade1356uk

11-22-2003, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by far@21 November 2003 - 14:42
He purposley raised his hands to show everyone he was in handcufs...When he walked out of the jail he smiled and waved to his supporters....Thats the signs of a very strogn man ..telling them even tho u kick me down I always get up!When this whole nightmare is done...He will get the last laugh...He knows what he is doing.
MJ had his hands behind his back when arrested & the sign he made is a well known Winston Churchill Victory sign,wether the allegations are true or false he should respect the fact the sick child is making the allegations of molestation,because of the evil act it is not for money ,unlike the Jordan kid 10yrs ago,his parent's are sick taking money for there child's innocence.

bigboab

11-22-2003, 12:39 PM

Jackson will get what he is due in court. What I would also like to see is the various parents involved in these events charged with neglect. There is nobody going to tell me they were not aware of Jacksons attraction to young boys. Yet they allow their boy(s) to sleep with him. I think it is absolutely disgusting. :angry:

blade1356uk

11-22-2003, 01:05 PM

Total Agreement Big Boab

Billy_Dean

11-22-2003, 01:24 PM

As far as I'm concerned, Jackson is a self confessed rock spider. When the news broke in 1993, he was abroad, he made a plea on the TV and asked to be judged on his actions when he returned to the States. He then paid the kid off, those were his actions.

Jackson actually had to pay out twice over the 1993 affair. After appearing on the Oprah Winfrey show with Prescilla Presley, in which he denied molesting that child, he was again threatened with court action, the reason being that in the original settlement he was barred from denying molestation. He settled that one out of court too.

Now it looks as tho he may lose custody of his three kids. They are of course not his, all three are white skinned, blue eyed blondes. His skin may appear white, but his genes are black. There is no way those kids are connected biologically to him.

If he's found guilty, I hope he rots in prison for years. I won't be holding my breath tho, OJ Simpson murdered two people in cold blood, a combination of black skin, fame and fortune got him off. Jackson has all that and more.

:)

dwightfry

11-22-2003, 04:46 PM

he wont get away this time, read the police report
he will have his day in court and 10 to 1 he will go to jail

Umm.....if you are thinking that that is the police report for this case then you are wrong. Look at the dates 1992/1993. If you did realize that then sorry for the mix-up.

Billy_Dean

11-22-2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry+23 November 2003 - 02:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dwightfry @ 23 November 2003 - 02:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Umm.....if you are thinking that that is the police report for this case then you are wrong. Look at the dates 1992/1993. If you did realize that then sorry for the mix-up. [/b]
<!--QuoteBegin-Muchspl2
Below you'll find the bombshell court document that first raised allegations that the singer, now 45, was involved in inappropriate behavior with a young boy. The December 1993 declaration was sworn by a 13-year-old California boy ..... [/quote]

:)

protak

11-22-2003, 05:36 PM

Jackson is a sick fuck, that deserves to go to jail and play with boy's named bubba. But the justice system is a joke, so I'm not overly confident that will be the case. Maybe they should get a judge named Itto and a prosecutor named Clarke, that will insure his freedom. Mark my word's know, the first step in his defence will be, to have that previous alligation, non-admissable, that's when we'll know for sure he's on his way to freedom.

Cheers
Tim B)

j2k4

11-22-2003, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@22 November 2003 - 09:24
As far as I'm concerned, Jackson is a self confessed rock spider. When the news broke in 1993, he was abroad, he made a plea on the TV and asked to be judged on his actions when he returned to the States. He then paid the kid off, those were his actions.

Jackson actually had to pay out twice over the 1993 affair. After appearing on the Oprah Winfrey show with Prescilla Presley, in which he denied molesting that child, he was again threatened with court action, the reason being that in the original settlement he was barred from denying molestation. He settled that one out of court too.

Now it looks as tho he may lose custody of his three kids. They are of course not his, all three are white skinned, blue eyed blondes. His skin may appear white, but his genes are black. There is no way those kids are connected biologically to him.

If he's found guilty, I hope he rots in prison for years. I won't be holding my breath tho, OJ Simpson murdered two people in cold blood, a combination of black skin, fame and fortune got him off. Jackson has all that and more.

:)
Billy-

Did you take a pill, or did I?

Twice in one day-un-fucking-believable!!

MORE CHAMPAGNE!!!

Let's raise a toast to Bill Gates and Michael Jackson for their unintentional diplomacy. :)

muchspl2

11-22-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry@22 November 2003 - 17:46

[COLOR=red]he wont get away this time[COLOR], read the police report
he will have his day in court and 10 to 1 he will go to jail

Umm.....if you are thinking that that is the police report for this case then you are wrong. Look at the dates 1992/1993. If you did realize that then sorry for the mix-up.
it was from the first time he got off, duh, and if you goto the source it has some info regaurding this time, I was just pointing out how sick he is to all the people that are confused to his guilt, he payed his way out of it the first time, he can't do it this time cause of the MJ law preventing it, ironic don't you think

Busyman

11-24-2003, 12:02 AM

There needs to be proof other than the child saying he was touched.
I recall a case where alot of children accused a babysitter of child abuse and everyone believed the kids....automatically. The reason people believe Mike is guilty is because...1. He has a weird face and 2. He lets boys sleep with him. If he's guilty let him rot. I won't buy anymore of his music like I don't buy R Kelly's.

Remember children make up shit and if you're rich, the parents will help with the story.

Busyman

11-24-2003, 12:32 PM

far

11-24-2003, 12:38 PM

Sad sad world we live in ...Trying to bring down a innocent man...Media has already convicted him as guilty...But as Mike said "The lies run sprits but the truth runns marathons,and truth will win this marathon ic court"

MagicNakor

11-24-2003, 12:49 PM

Just like OJ Simpson was innocent, hmm?

:ninja:

Billy_Dean

11-24-2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by far@24 November 2003 - 21:38
Sad sad world we live in ...Trying to bring down a innocent man...Media has already convicted him as guilty...But as Mike said "The lies run sprits but the truth runns marathons,and truth will win this marathon ic court"
Why is he innocent? Do you know something no-one else knows?

Gay porn pal

FOOTAGE of Jacko with young lads that was seized by cops was filmed by a gay porn baron, it was revealed yesterday.

Sleazy Marc Shaffel is thought to have shot reels of film of the singer with youngsters.

A source said: “Police are suggesting this footage is damning. It would be pretty amazing if Jacko has done something sick and somehow it has been documented.”

Shaffel is notorious for his hard-core gay sex films featuring actors picked because they look like under-age boys.

He has become one of Jacko’s closest advisors in recent years and also helped produce his album Invincible.

:)

cowswithguns

11-24-2003, 02:52 PM

Whether Michael Jackson is found guilty or not IMO his practice of sleeping with children should be addressed by the authorities.

I agree with bigboab - what kind of parents are these who allow children to share a bed with an adult, are they lunatics? Are there no laws in the US to prevent this?

And also this crap about him being a 'child in a man's body' really annoys me. He is quite capable of acting like an adult in other aspects of his life.

j2k4

11-24-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by cowswithguns@24 November 2003 - 10:52
And also this crap about him being a 'child in a man's body' really annoys me. He is quite capable of acting like an adult in other aspects of his life.
Exactly.

He is 45 years old.

Of course, it may turn out the "Child in a man's body" defense is superbly effective-one never knows, these days. ;)

cowswithguns

11-24-2003, 04:08 PM

Oh....I think it's very possible that his legal eagles will milk that for all it's worth...try to close the age gap by putting him on the same level as the children hence making it appearalmost acceptable.

People are very gullible and given that he is as crazy as a coconut it won't be easy to convict him.

blade1356uk

11-24-2003, 07:29 PM

Total agreement with cowswithguns,the authorities have been blinded for too long about the guy,he even admitted on world wide tv that kids got into his bed,the parents want prosecuting as well because they are no better than him,by letting there kids go to his ranch knowing that he had been accused before,calling a young sick child a liar & all MJ fans I might add the same are as sick as him.

dwightfry

11-26-2003, 05:04 PM

They have audio tapes of the accuser, his mother, and his younger brother all praising MJ on how much of a blessing it was to have him in there lives. How MJ has done nothing to hurt any of them, and how he is a fantastic father figuare to her kids.

The tape was definitly made after the alleged actions took place.

Billy_Dean

11-26-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry@27 November 2003 - 02:04
They have audio tapes of the accuser, his mother, and his younger brother all praising MJ on how much of a blessing it was to have him in there lives. How MJ has done nothing to hurt any of them, and how he is a fantastic father figuare to her kids.

The tape was definitly made after the alleged actions took place.
Did they say it after the shrink phoned the police? I think not.

:)

dwightfry

11-26-2003, 05:59 PM

Did they say it after the shrink phoned the police? I think not.

you 'think' not....you don't 'know' not.

I don't get it. some of you seem so set on taking things at face value when comes to his guilt. He is accused so therefore he is guilty. They got an arrest warrent, therefore he's guilty.

and yet this says he's he may innocent... nope...doesn't prove anything. <_<

Sexual abuse towards a child in serious. To accuse an innocent man who has done nothing but good for everyone, ESPECIALLY ill and dieing children, is just as serious.

j2k4

11-26-2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry@26 November 2003 - 13:59

Did they say it after the shrink phoned the police? I think not.

you 'think' not....you don't 'know' not.

I don't get it. some of you seem so set on taking things at face value when comes to his guilt. He is accused so therefore he is guilty. They got an arrest warrent, therefore he's guilty.

and yet this says he's he may innocent... nope...doesn't prove anything. <_<

Sexual abuse towards a child in serious. To accuse an innocent man who has done nothing but good for everyone, ESPECIALLY ill and dieing children, is just as serious.
Renfield-

Call it cynicism if you must, but the promise, or even hint of MONEY has historically proven very effective in buying silence or innocence.

In any case, only the accuser's statements weigh, as I'm sure Mom wasn't in the room, unless she was participating.

I agree-"Innocent until proven guilty"-but this isn't a courtroom, and we are only speculating.

At this point, I tentatively cast my "imaginary" vote for "guilty", just as I do in the Kobe Bryant case.

Kobe shouldn't have gone anywhere near that girl.

Billy_Dean

11-26-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry@27 November 2003 - 02:59

Did they say it after the shrink phoned the police? I think not.

you 'think' not....you don't 'know' not.

I don't get it. some of you seem so set on taking things at face value when comes to his guilt. He is accused so therefore he is guilty. They got an arrest warrent, therefore he's guilty.

and yet this says he's he may innocent... nope...doesn't prove anything. <_<

Sexual abuse towards a child in serious. To accuse an innocent man who has done nothing but good for everyone, ESPECIALLY ill and dieing children, is just as serious.
The child was seen by a shrink, he heard things about Jacko and phoned the police, after that there were no statements from any of his family praising Weirdo. Nobody knew what that crazy bastard was doing to the kid till he saw a therapist. The tapes may have been made after the actions took place, but they were before the police became involved.

Is claiming his innocence without proof any worse than proclaiming his probable guilt? Which BTW, I have not claimed.

:)

j2k4

11-26-2003, 07:21 PM

In light of Jacko's purported economic difficulties, I would expect the ACLU to offer it's good legal offices to him, as they have gotten hip-deep in defending NAMBLA.

It would seem to be a bit of a "natural" to me. ;)

dwightfry

11-26-2003, 08:13 PM

First of all...HOLY CRAP....I saw NAMBLA on Southpark....I didn't think it was real. I thought it was a joke.

"Is claiming his innocence without proof any worse than proclaiming his probable guilt? Which BTW, I have not claimed."

The people that I am talking about don't consider it 'probable guilt'. These people have labeled him a pedophile.

I know that he may have done it, but that is all anyone can really say. They shouldn't judge him.

MagicNakor

11-27-2003, 02:13 AM

If he is guilty, he is a pedophile.

A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to children.

:ninja:

Edit: And I don't mean guilty in a court of law, as courts and celebrities don't tend to mix well.

j2k4

11-27-2003, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by MagicNakor@26 November 2003 - 22:13

Edit: And I don't mean guilty in a court of law, as courts and celebrities don't tend to mix well.
That is a fact, isn't it?

Well-spotted and stated, MN. ;)

3RA1N1AC

11-27-2003, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by MagicNakor@26 November 2003 - 18:13
Edit: And I don't mean guilty in a court of law, as courts and celebrities don't tend to mix well.
trial by tabloid isn't exactly a walk in the park...

j2k4

11-27-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+27 November 2003 - 03:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 27 November 2003 - 03:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MagicNakor@26 November 2003 - 18:13
Edit: And I don't mean guilty in a court of law, as courts and celebrities don't tend to mix well.
trial by tabloid isn't exactly a walk in the park... [/b][/quote]
True enough, but I'd still prefer that to being found guilty.

Besides, what's so new about Jacko in the tabs?

He's been a mainstay for decades.

cowswithguns

11-27-2003, 08:25 AM

Whether guilty or not he has no-one to blame but himself for his latest 'predicament'. His lifestyle leaves a lot to be desired and he has brazenly stated that this includes sharing a bed with minors. He then wonders why people wonder about his sexual preferences.

I find it amazing that MJ fans rally to voice their outrage without even giving a thought to the possibility he could be guilty.

@ j2k4.....Aussie inundantion indeed :)

Money Fist

11-27-2003, 02:34 PM

i agree with cow

if some one on you road was known
to sleep in bed with kids (and not related to them at all)

you will instantly think danger
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j2k4

11-27-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by cowswithguns@27 November 2003 - 04:25

@ j2k4.....Aussie inundantion indeed :)
'S okay with me.

Hell, if I can get along with Billy_Dean........ :D

:)

UKMan

11-27-2003, 04:36 PM

Well, call me old fashioned if you will, or even a prick, but i still prefer to wait for a jury of his peers. Yes, even my eyebrows are raised and i'm not really a fool, but i still have no time for conjecture - even if it seems apparant.

I'm not defending or attacking anyone - the subject alone though brings out the worst in most people and probably rightly so.

Wasnt gonna post here - there are other threads on the same subject - but whats done is done, now i'm open for attack again i guess.

Peace
UKMan

j2k4

11-27-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by UKMan@27 November 2003 - 12:36
Well, call me old fashioned if you will, or even a prick, but i still prefer to wait for a jury of his peers. Yes, even my eyebrows are raised and i'm not really a fool, but i still have no time for conjecture - even if it seems apparant.

I'm not defending or attacking anyone - the subject alone though brings out the worst in most people and probably rightly so.

No one could ask more of you, UKMan. ;)

Alex H

11-28-2003, 02:30 AM

The kidmaking the allegations has started taping his statments. Apparently his lawers think Jackson will try to drag out the trial so the kid will die before it get to court.

Source (http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=553148) :(

far

11-28-2003, 04:07 PM

MJ saved the kids life...
here is a pic of the mother that is accusing MJ of molesting her son
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/281103-phycomother2.jpg

The latest boy to accuse Jackson and the boy's mother praised the pop star in February, calling him a "father figure" and saying God had "blessed" them by bringing Jackson into their lives, according to an audiotape played for CNN.

Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom, a San Francisco assistant district attorney on leave and a legal contributor to CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" program, said Wednesday a source close to Jackson's defense played her an audiotape in which the mother, the alleged victim and his brother say Jackson "never acted inappropriately."

CNN could not independently confirm that the voices on the tape are those of the mother, the alleged victim and his brother.

"The whole time the mother and the alleged victim are very effusive in their praise for Michael Jackson, saying they are blessed to have him as part of their life, that he was a father figure, the mother saying that Jackson treated her son as his own son," Newsom said on "Anderson Cooper 360."

The tape was recorded by a private investigator on Jackson's behalf, Newsom said. It lasts a little more than 20 minutes, she said.

It was played for her in Las Vegas, she said, and she was not given a copy to keep.

"It wasn't a lot of questions, it was more just dialogue, talking," Newsom said.

"At no time does it appear this statement is coerced, that there is any kind of duress or any undue influence being exercised over any of the parties," she said.

Newsom said the mother and child allegedly signed an affidavit a month after the tape was recorded saying Jackson never abused the child. Newsom did not see the affidavit, she said; she was only told about it.

If the tape and affidavit are genuine, Newsom said, they could be potentially damaging to the prosecution's case. The prosecution would have to show that the alleged abuse was uncovered after the tape was recorded and affidavit signed.

Newsom said that if the case goes to trial and the boy testifies, the tape and affidavit could be introduced, raising questions about the credibility of the claims.

The time of the alleged incident has not been disclosed.

In June, the boy's family retained the services of an attorney, who took the boy to see a therapist and then referred the case to the Santa Barbara district attorney's office.

Meanwhile, the FBI is looking into whether federal laws were broken when Jackson and his attorney were secretly videotaped aboard a charter jet owned by XtraJet last week.

Jackson attorney Mark Geragos obtained a temporary restraining order to prevent release of the tapes, made last week as Jackson flew from Las Vegas to Santa Barbara to surrender to authorities.

Geragos told reporters he also had filed a civil suit against XtraJet and reserved the right to sue anyone connected with making or trying to sell the tapes.

Billy_Dean

11-28-2003, 04:21 PM

Those tapes could be very interesting.

:)

cowswithguns

11-28-2003, 04:37 PM

Being as cynical as I am.....it makes me wonder why Jackson felt the need to have a private investigator acting on his behalf make the tapes in the first place.

Two scenarios spring to mind

1. MJ felt it possible that he was under threat from the family.

2. He had perhaps acted inappropriately and was covering his arse.

Only time will tell.

j2k4

11-28-2003, 05:16 PM

Without speculating on this latest accusation, I would like to know by what standard do Jacko's apologists excuse his (self-admitted) sleeping with little boys?

This doesn't have to wait for a court of law to decide; what do you people think?

dwightfry

11-28-2003, 05:41 PM

Okay

Whats the big deal with falling asleep with somebody else in the same general space? If a good friend was babysitting my child, I wouldn't care if the kid slept in my friends bed. My mom used to baby sit her friends' kids all the time, and they would take naps in her bed. Sometimes she took a nap with them. Is it because MJ is a guy? In that case, then it's just sexist. When did being uncontious become a personal thing?

I used to babysit my best friends little sisters (ages 3 and 7). I would fall asleep on the couch and Amanda (7 year old) would lay down next to me and take a nap with me. Sometimes it was time for Amanda to take a nap, and she would ask me to take one with her. I would lie with her until she fell asleep. One night, Brittany went to bed crying because I wouldn't go to sleep with her.

When children sleep in the same bed as there parents, they see there parents as friends, and that's why they do it. If the child didn't like there parents, then they wouldn't want to go to sleep with them. Amanda and Brittany saw me as a good friend, and as an adult, somebody to protect them while they sleep.

Once again, my views, I know people disagree. Don't spam me, calling me a pedophile because I know that I did nothing wrong. This is one of the reasons why I defend Jackson. If the parents are comfortable, the kid is comfortable, and Jackson is comfortable then it is nobody else's business.

j2k4

11-28-2003, 05:57 PM

Renfield, what you describe is entirely different than what Jacko admits.

I am also assuming these children wouldn't be able to I.D. your "package" as the youngster did with Jacko? ;)

dwightfry

11-28-2003, 06:10 PM

I have never fully believed it. I have only heard about that once on any news source. It was on 20/20 or something like that, The entire episode was dedicated to bashing MJ. Seeing as you and muchspl2 (I believe it might have been in the report he posted) are the only ones to mention it an these posts then it isn't a very widely known/used offense. I must admit, that has always stuck in the back of my mind, but I would think it would be mentioned more if it were true.

EDIT:
Plus, I could be wrong, but with evidence like that the gov't wouldn't need the family to press charges. For example, if a 24 year old gets a 16 year old pregnant. They 24 year old would be put on trial for statitory(SP?) rape whether the family wanted to press charges or not. Granted, getting somebody pregnant is much stronger evidence then being able to explain what their genitals look like, but I would think something like this would be enough also.

j2k4

11-28-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by dwightfry@28 November 2003 - 14:10
I have never fully believed it. I have only heard about that once on any news source. It was on 20/20 or something like that, The entire episode was dedicated to bashing MJ. Seeing as you and muchspl2 (I believe it might have been in the report he posted) are the only ones to mention it an these posts then it isn't a very widely known/used offense. I must admit, that has always stuck in the back of my mind, but I would think it would be mentioned more if it were true.

All that is part of the official record.

dwightfry

11-28-2003, 07:11 PM

Exposing yourself to children is illegal, they don't need the parents to press charges.

I was 11 when the first accusation came out, so I don't know exactly how things unfolded, I didn't watch the news. There must be a reason why it isn't brought up on the news now. I just don't know what it is, until I do I have to give MJ the benefit of the doubt.

bigboab

11-28-2003, 09:44 PM

One of the most disturbing thing about this case is the Social Services are talking about taking Jacksons kids into care for their own protection. Now that is what I call irony.

far

11-28-2003, 11:44 PM

dwightfry:U bring out some very good points...We live in a sexual orientated world...When he said that children sleep in his bed I bet all of us immediately think about sex..But why on earth would a pedophile admit that?He is just beeing open about it.

3RA1N1AC

11-28-2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by bigboab@28 November 2003 - 13:44
One of the most disturbing thing about this case is the Social Services are talking about taking Jacksons kids into care for their own protection. Now that is what I call irony.
yeah, but look who's behind that-- Gloria Allred. she's the biggest publicity-whore in the legal business. she claims to be concerned with women & children's rights, but above all i think she just enjoys being on TV. if you watch CourtTV for any period of time, she'll eventually pop up as a guest on one of their shows to publicly condemn someone like Kobe Bryant before the facts are in.

or consider this ridiculous attempt she made to create controversy about Beatles guitarist George Harrison's death certificate-- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/1710816.stm

maybe she actually does some good work, but that doesn't excuse her from being one of america's best examples of a lawyer-as-parasite. basically if she can figure out a way to stick her nose into a celebrity's business and get her name attached to it, no matter how low she has to stoop, she'll do it.