Board Rules

[7thElement]

Please have a look at our modified Board Rules (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?act=boardrules) :o

[Rappy]

now we can&#39;t even have a link to our board in our signature?? <_<

[asmithz]

Read :P

[Rappy]

This includes, but is not limited to: unsolicited advertising, deceptive links, repetitive postings, postings or messaging for the purpose of commercial or personal gain, links to online popularity game sites (i.e. outwars, kings of chaos, Porn Star Guru, etc.) This also applies to content in signatures and avatars. Any questions or requests related to this subject may be sent to the forum administrators


thats the part i don&#39;t get

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by RapFan@20 December 2003 - 16:15
i did

9. Sharing your website or forum with other forum members is only allowed within your signature or your profile. This board is not a public noticeboard for you to advertise on.

[true_neo]

My interprenting of that paragraph is that you arent allowed to link to schemes that nets you money, either real money or money in online games (outwar, KOC and the likes)

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:huh: I never looked at the Rules before.So this is all new to me. :huh:

[7thElement]

9.)

Linking your site in your signature = ok
Starting a new topic to promote sites = not ok
Linking your site in your profile (website button) = always ok

Reason for 9.) = http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88234
Reason for 8.) = http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88391

[sharedholder]

Starting a new topic to promote sites = not ok


So ,if i start a topic about a site that can help the board members is not allowed ?

[J'Pol]

I still think that the rules sadly lack any comment on racism.

As I recall it was there a few re-drafts ago, I don&#39;t know why it was removed.

[Rappy]

well at my board and lots i know they have a advertising section so the rest of the board doesn&#39;t get spammed with it and well at mine i just let people know that if its a link to something you have to pay for then the topic will be closed and deleted but i guess its at my board huh

[Rappy]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@20 December 2003 - 15:33
I still think that the rules sadly lack any comment on racism.

As I recall it was there a few re-drafts ago, I don&#39;t know why it was removed.
i agree its should be addressed in the rules along with strict penalties for it and i think any kind of abuse should be against the rules and right now its not i can tell

[7thElement]

@shareholder
Helpsites are always allowed as long as it is no cheap self promotion.

What is self promotion ?
Topic 1: Look I have a new cool board
Topic 2: Look I changed my design
Topic 3: Look we now have new forum categories
Topic 4: I need more mods for my ultra kewl board

What is a helpsite ?
Topic 1: Ad-aware will help you to get rid of spyware
Reply 2: There is another site called ******** which does the same

@J&#39;Pol
Racism is never allowed. The "power of common sense" enables our mods to get rid of such posts

[J'Pol]

I appreciate what you say, however we have a specific written rule banning certain things, e.g. nudity, but not racism.

It just seems to me that when you list specific things which are not allowed, then at least by inference the suggestion is that those not on the list are allowed.

[Rappy]

i think a rule banning racism is more important than one banning nudeity i mean i think people can recover from seeing porn more than hearing racial comments about their race

[7thElement]

2. Posts containing subject matter deemed grotesque, disturbing, obscene, malicious, or of a sexual nature may be edited or deleted. Images containing complete nudity are not allowed, and nude images in which the subject(s) are topless may only be posted in the Lounge area. There will be no racial, ethnic, or gender based insults or any other discriminatory comments or content.

;)

[Rappy]

i donno not in detail enough <_<

[jetje]

It is good for me. If people like to break these rules they ain&#39;t lookin for detail. They just break. That&#39;s where we come in ;)

[Rappy]

well i don&#39;t wanna go into the racism thing so i won&#39;t but people will find ways to bend the rules read between the lines or take then exactly as they are so the rulrs should include more detail the rules are telling me that advertising is a bigger offence then discrimination

[7thElement]

RapFan don&#39;t worry too much about it. This board has more spam issues than discrimination issues and that&#39;s a good thing ;)

[uNz[i]]

/me applaudes the addition of the last sentence in rule 2.

Edit: Typo

[clocker]

7th Element...

In the future it may be helpful to highlight (italics, bold text, color) the changes to the rules so we don&#39;t have to wade through the entire thing to see what has been altered.

[J'Pol]

Nice amendment


There will be no racial, ethnic, or gender based insults or any other discriminatory comments or content.


However does this mean I can&#39;t ask where the burdz are.

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:angry: That means no more Calling me a Redneck because I like some Country Music. :angry:

:P :lol:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@20 December 2003 - 17:44
:angry: That means no more Calling me a Redneck because I like some Country Music. :angry:

:P :lol:
What about a banjo player.

Or an old woman from Canadia.

Must have broken a few rules there.

[N£MO]

Some people really do need to get out more.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by N£MO@20 December 2003 - 17:47
Some people really do need to get out more.
Some people need to learn the words of songs :P

|: Swing low, sweet chariot,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; :|
I looked over Jordan and what did I see,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33;
A band of angels comin&#39; after me,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33;

|: Swing low, sweet chariot,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; :|

If you get there before I do,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home,
Jess tell my friends that I&#39;m acomin&#39; too,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home.

|: Swing low, sweet chariot,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; :|

I&#39;m sometimes up and sometimes down,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home,
But still my soul feels heavenly bound
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33;

[N£MO]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+20 December 2003 - 16:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 20 December 2003 - 16:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-N£MO@20 December 2003 - 17:47
Some people really do need to get out more.
Some people need to learn the words of songs :P

|: Swing low, sweet chariot,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; :|
I looked over Jordan and what did I see,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33;
A band of angels comin&#39; after me,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33;

|: Swing low, sweet chariot,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; :|

If you get there before I do,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home,
Jess tell my friends that I&#39;m acomin&#39; too,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home.

|: Swing low, sweet chariot,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; :|

I&#39;m sometimes up and sometimes down,
Comin&#39; for to carry me home,
But still my soul feels heavenly bound
Comin&#39; for to carry me home&#33; [/b][/quote]
As i said,some people really do need to get out more. :P

Thanks,kind sir.

[J'Pol]

:lol: :P :lol:

[Benno]

2. Posts containing subject matter deemed grotesque, disturbing, obscene, malicious, or of a sexual nature may be edited or deleted. Images containing complete nudity are not allowed, and nude images in which the subject(s) are topless may only be posted in the Lounge area. There will be no racial, ethnic, or gender based insults or any other discriminatory comments or content.

Does this mean you see women as subjects? :o

[Rappy]

Originally posted by Benno@20 December 2003 - 17:00

2. Posts containing subject matter deemed grotesque, disturbing, obscene, malicious, or of a sexual nature may be edited or deleted. Images containing complete nudity are not allowed, and nude images in which the subject(s) are topless may only be posted in the Lounge area. There will be no racial, ethnic, or gender based insults or any other discriminatory comments or content.

Does this mean you see women as subjects? :o
interesting point <_<

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by RapFan+20 December 2003 - 18:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RapFan @ 20 December 2003 - 18:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Benno@20 December 2003 - 17:00

2. Posts containing subject matter deemed grotesque, disturbing, obscene, malicious, or of a sexual nature may be edited or deleted. Images containing complete nudity are not allowed, and nude images in which the subject(s) are topless may only be posted in the Lounge area. There will be no racial, ethnic, or gender based insults or any other discriminatory comments or content.

Does this mean you see women as subjects? :o
interesting point <_< [/b][/quote]
There is no mention of women in that rule.

[Benno]

I have never seen topless pics of men or something else in the Lounge. ;)
So what else could the subjects be?

[internet.news]

Originally posted by 7thElement@20 December 2003 - 16:08
Please have a look at our modified Board Rules (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?act=boardrules) :o
I do not agree with the part of Leeching -

I agree with it partly that sharing could not be commercialised&#33;

But as I cannot expect of everyone sharing I would not ban them cause their just humans - that is why I do not cancel Ppl sharing no files, but I am happy to see people uploading from me sharing some files ;)

All in all, this should be important that these rules should not be like laws they should be like something were new and old members can orientating themselves some guidelines ;)

[titey]

:huh: So you think it&#39;s ok to ENCOURAGE people to leech?

Or to make it EASIER for them to do so? :blink:

[Rappy]

lol people are still gonna leech with that rule or not :lol:

[Rappy]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+20 December 2003 - 18:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 20 December 2003 - 18:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by RapFan@20 December 2003 - 18:28
<!--QuoteBegin-Benno@20 December 2003 - 17:00

2. Posts containing subject matter deemed grotesque, disturbing, obscene, malicious, or of a sexual nature may be edited or deleted. Images containing complete nudity are not allowed, and nude images in which the subject(s) are topless may only be posted in the Lounge area. There will be no racial, ethnic, or gender based insults or any other discriminatory comments or content.

Does this mean you see women as subjects? :o
interesting point <_<
There is no mention of women in that rule. [/b][/quote]
:lol: told ya people would find ways around the rules :lol:

[Jg427]

6. Posts that contain direct download links to copyrighted software, private ftp sites, serial numbers, warez sites, and hacking sites are prohibited. Posts directly or indirectly related to any of this information will be edited. Hacking discussions are strictly prohibited within the forum. Sig2dat quicklinks and hashes are NOT considered to be DDL, therefore allowed.

Ed2k hashes are not mentioned. They appear to be in the same catagory as Sig2dat quicklinks to me. Is this incorrect?

This question has not been answered as far as I know.
http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88343

Jg427

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Jg427@20 December 2003 - 22:59

6. Posts that contain direct download links to copyrighted software, private ftp sites, serial numbers, warez sites, and hacking sites are prohibited. Posts directly or indirectly related to any of this information will be edited. Hacking discussions are strictly prohibited within the forum. Sig2dat quicklinks and hashes are NOT considered to be DDL, therefore allowed.

Ed2k hashes are not mentioned. They appear to be in the same catagory as Sig2dat quicklinks to me. Is this incorrect?

This question has not been answered as far as I know.
http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88343

Jg427
I agree with you - I think I have said it elsewhere.

[Jg427]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@20 December 2003 - 16:18


I agree with you - I think I have said it elsewhere.
Your post was in the thread I linked. No response from a mod. or admin. to it yet.

Jg427

[7thElement]

We&#39;re still checking the legal aspect of hashes / verifieds. Once we know we&#39;ll let ya know ;)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by 7thElement@21 December 2003 - 00:35
We&#39;re still checking the legal aspect of hashes / verifieds. Once we know we&#39;ll let ya know ;)
Thanks for that.

Though I have to say, I think I have seen the e-mule ones in the verifieds sections of movieworld. Perhaps I am mistaken.

[random nut]

Originally posted by 7thElement
We&#39;re still checking the legal aspect of hashes / verifieds. Once we know we&#39;ll let ya know ;)
Since it&#39;s impossible to magically turn a hash into a file without downloading the file, there&#39;s nothing illegal with them. Hashes aren&#39;t copyrighted. Also with Kazaa&#39;s braindead hashing, it&#39;s very easy to turn a "verified" file into almost random data with the exact same hash.

[internet.news]

Originally posted by titey@20 December 2003 - 22:07
:huh: So you think it&#39;s ok to ENCOURAGE people to leech?

Or to make it EASIER for them to do so? :blink:
no, but unfortunately because ppl are just humans, you cannot expect of everyone
sharing, although I am sharing and I am glad to see ppl sharing. It makes me happy I am not alone.

[7thElement]

Originally posted by random nut+21 December 2003 - 00:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (random nut @ 21 December 2003 - 00:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-7thElement
We&#39;re still checking the legal aspect of hashes / verifieds. Once we know we&#39;ll let ya know ;)
Since it&#39;s impossible to magically turn a hash into a file without downloading the file, there&#39;s nothing illegal with them. Hashes aren&#39;t copyrighted. Also with Kazaa&#39;s braindead hashing, it&#39;s very easy to turn a "verified" file into almost random data with the exact same hash. [/b][/quote]
I agree that text is not illegal but we already received letters with complaints.

Text is not illegal but something like:

Office 2003 Enterprise Edition 5in1
File:Office 2003 Enterprise Edition 5in1.iso
Length:596961280 Bytes, 582970KB
UUHash:=PLRxJAzDvgvIWIA3PPdFi0H03m0=

is more or less something like "your board allows posting verified information of pirated software" which is not different than a direct download link.

A torrent file is different cause it contains detailed information but Sig2dat quicklinks enable users to download © protected files too. Hard to decide for a normal user if it is legal or not.

We are not against it but if it causes trouble we have to get rid of it because it makes no sense to run and run and run instead to offer a rock solid info / help community.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by 7thElement+21 December 2003 - 01:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (7thElement @ 21 December 2003 - 01:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by random nut@21 December 2003 - 00:23
<!--QuoteBegin-7thElement
We&#39;re still checking the legal aspect of hashes / verifieds. Once we know we&#39;ll let ya know ;)
Since it&#39;s impossible to magically turn a hash into a file without downloading the file, there&#39;s nothing illegal with them. Hashes aren&#39;t copyrighted. Also with Kazaa&#39;s braindead hashing, it&#39;s very easy to turn a "verified" file into almost random data with the exact same hash.
I agree that text is not illegal but we already received letters with complaints.

Text is not illegal but something like:

Office 2003 Enterprise Edition 5in1
File:Office 2003 Enterprise Edition 5in1.iso
Length:596961280 Bytes, 582970KB
UUHash:=PLRxJAzDvgvIWIA3PPdFi0H03m0=

is more or less something like "your board allows posting verified information of pirated software" which is not different than a direct download link.

A torrent file is different cause it contains detailed information but Sig2dat quicklinks enable users to download © protected files too. Hard to decide for a normal user if it is legal or not.

We are not against it but if it causes trouble we have to get rid of it because it makes no sense to run and run and run instead to offer a rock solid info / help community. [/b][/quote]
Who are these letters of complaint from. The position they are taking is ludicrous and untenable.

I can type anything I want on my keyboard and then share it with people. There is no way in the world that people can stop you posting text on a board such as this.

Please enlighten me, what are they saying you are doing wrong because I can think of no offence which is being committed.

This is just bunkum and scare tactics. It reminds me of the phrase toothless tigers.

[7thElement]

I don&#39;t care about any letters as we don&#39;t do anything illegal here. The only thing that i WANT to know is if the laws are on our side or not, that&#39;s why I consult a lawyer (internet rights) to know what&#39;s up.

I just quoted letters from the IFPI http://www.ifpi.org which I receive on my desk. I don&#39;t care about what a letter contains but I do care about knowing if I am right or not ;)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by 7thElement@21 December 2003 - 01:44
I don&#39;t care about any letters as we don&#39;t do anything illegal here. The only thing that i WANT to know is if the laws are on our side or not, that&#39;s why I consult a lawyer (internet rights) to know what&#39;s up.

I just quoted letters from the IFPI http://www.ifpi.org which I receive on my desk. I don&#39;t care about what a letter contains but I do care about knowing if I am right or not ;)
Good common sense approach - belt and braces.

Let us know how you get on, the whole area of internet legislation is fascinating. Not least because it covers most if not all of the worlds jurisdictions.

Bear in mind that as you are in the EU, the ECHR and in particular the elements of right to privacy and proportionality are very important.

[Jg427]

7ThElement

"your board allows posting verified information of pirated software" which is not different than a direct download link.
I see it as completely different. One is only metadata, or data about data, the other a direct link to a server to download the file.

We are not against it but if it causes trouble we have to get rid of it because it makes no sense to run and run and run instead to offer a rock solid info / help community.

This reasoning could lead to removal of the current verifieds along with all the p2p subforums. What info/help community would we have then?


Jg427

[7thElement]

Only the verifieds would disappear (a total of 36.015 posts incl. replies) IF something happens at all which I don&#39;t think.


What info/help community would we have then?

All other 565.783 posts and a working help / filesharing community board ;)

Do you prefer this scenario ?

What info/help community would we have IF nobody cares about complaints ?

there would be no community at all

[Jg427]

Originally posted by 7thElement@20 December 2003 - 22:00

Do you prefer this scenario ?

What info/help community would we have IF nobody cares about complaints ?

there would be no community at all
If the decisions are made based on complaints instead of legal standing, then I think there will be no community.


Jg427

[sparsely]

wow.
what a gem of a thread this is.

first, RapFan so eloquently pointed out that
people can recover from seeing porn more than hearing racial comments about their race

which was nice to know...but what about racial comments about their preferred brand of breakfast drink?

and here&#39;s internet.news, sharing his goddamn thoughts openly again
as I cannot expect of everyone sharing I would not ban them cause their just humans
For the love of God, please stop sharing, bro.

& now we&#39;re at ed2k hashes....if they are bad, I wonder how much mail ShareReactor gets. :rolleyes:

let em hang. ;)

[Rappy]

Originally posted by Sparsely@21 December 2003 - 08:46
wow.
what a gem of a thread this is.

first, RapFan so eloquently pointed out that
people can recover from seeing porn more than hearing racial comments about their race

which was nice to know...but what about racial comments about their preferred brand of breakfast drink?

and here&#39;s internet.news, sharing his goddamn thoughts openly again
as I cannot expect of everyone sharing I would not ban them cause their just humans
For the love of God, please stop sharing, bro.

& now we&#39;re at ed2k hashes....if they are bad, I wonder how much mail ShareReactor gets. :rolleyes:

let em hang. ;)
ok mabe my post wasn&#39;t clearly typed but you are just not makeing any sense

[7thElement]

@Jg427 you are attacking the wrong guy..


Seems like you don&#39;t get my point

I said: IF it is illegal THEN we will get rid of it. I also said that I am not a lawyer and that we did already consult one to KNOW if there is a problem or not.


QUOTE (7thElement)

I don&#39;t care about any letters as we don&#39;t do anything illegal here. The only thing that i WANT to know is if the laws are on our side or not, that&#39;s why I consult a lawyer (internet rights) to know what&#39;s up.


QUOTE (7thElement)

We&#39;re still checking the legal aspect of hashes / verifieds. Once we know we&#39;ll let ya know

See, your post makes no sense at all.

QUOTE (Jg427)

If the decisions are made based on complaints instead of legal standing, then I think there will be no community.

[Jg427]

Originally posted by 7thElement@21 December 2003 - 09:42
@Jg427 you are attacking the wrong guy..



Attacking you was never my intention. I think you have done a great job in a difficult time of transition.


I agree that text is not illegal but we already received letters with complaints. ........

We are not against it but if it causes trouble we have to get rid of it because it makes no sense to run and run and run instead to offer a rock solid info / help community

You appear to be agreeing that while hashes are not illegal they may be ruled out based on complaints you have received. If I misunderstood, then I apologize.

Jg427