Should I Kill Myself? [Archive]

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 07:21 AM

i will be moving to a new location soon, which means a different computer, with a completely different netblock. which means i could, if i wanted to, create another account and kill this one. i have always been a "one account" type person, i never considered doing otherwise until now. however, there are two small reasons it might be appropriate to consider creating another username, and killing this one:

1.i'm sick of the name "mediaslayer" that is not my name on irc, soulseek, or anywhere else. when i first joined i had a problem with kazaa, so i just made up a dumb name in order to post. now i'm sick of it, i even loathe it.
2.my personality on this board has changed alot, and i think it is possible a new identity would be in order.

in this thread (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88768), j'pol seems to be endorsing multiple accounts, and probably enjoying the confusion that it causes. but what do you think? furious four members, now is your chance to slam me, for considering doing that very thing that started that ruckus. so tell me, should i cave in to social pressure or not? is it wrong to be curious about such a dastardly thing?

muchspl2

12-21-2003, 07:31 AM

http://members.cox.net/my_web_pictures/makeitcount.gif

:ermm: N/M didn't read the whole thing, just make a new name, if you don't like it switch back

cowswithguns

12-21-2003, 07:31 AM

Each to his own MS.....some people like just one account...some many...whatever floats your boat I reckon. :D

Knew someone who ran about 30 odd different nics on one forum, he had a ball...... :)

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 07:35 AM

i forgot to add something important, i would probably tell everyone my new nick, after it got "settled in".

otherwise i would feel like a terrorists or something, sneaking around people who don't realize they know me.

Nightwolf

12-21-2003, 08:08 AM

If you want to change your name all you have to do is ask a Mod to change it for you. There's no reason to create a new account, unless you're embarrassed by some of your previous posts. Personally I hate when people start over like that. It makes me feel like I can't trust them.

camille

12-21-2003, 08:09 AM

Why do you change your nick? After all that's your identity in this board and you could use your alias in other account. Why not the same, there's nothing wrong about it? Happy Holidays! :D

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Nightwolf@21 December 2003 - 08:08
If you want to change your name all you have to do is ask a Mod to change it for you. There's no reason to create a new account, unless you're embarrassed by some of your previous posts. Personally I hate when people start over like that. It makes me feel like I can't trust them.
thank u for ur input

mediaslayer will stand

i will not change it

the end.

muchspl2

12-21-2003, 08:15 AM

I wonder how many alias octpussy had, we could have a whole thread just on his aliases :D

JONNO_CELEBS

12-21-2003, 11:50 AM

MS dude, just ask an admin to change your name :)

It's a very simple thing to do for them and takes about 1 minute :)

Jonno B)

DarthInsinuate

12-21-2003, 01:16 PM

actually name changes put a lot of strain on the server load so admin would prefer you start a new account

3rd gen noob

12-21-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@21 December 2003 - 12:16
actually name changes put a lot of strain on the server load so admin would prefer you start a new account
yep :)

i've only changed my name within an account once but i've had multiple forum accounts

JONNO_CELEBS

12-21-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@21 December 2003 - 13:16
actually name changes put a lot of strain on the server load so admin would prefer you start a new account
Whoever told you that?

Come on my forum and I'll change your name every day of the week if you want :)

All you do is go into the account and delete the name and type the new one and click ok, thats it! :)

Jonno B)

Lamsey

12-21-2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+21 December 2003 - 12:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 21 December 2003 - 12:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DarthInsinuate@21 December 2003 - 13:16
actually name changes put a lot of strain on the server load so admin would prefer you start a new account
Whoever told you that?

Come on my forum and I'll change your name every day of the week if you want :)

All you do is go into the account and delete the name and type the new one and click ok, thats it! :)

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
At the time of writing, your forum has 64 members and 18,255 posts.

This one has 62,485 members and 602,346 posts.

You can't compare script execution times between the two.

scribblec

12-21-2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+21 December 2003 - 13:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 21 December 2003 - 13:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DarthInsinuate@21 December 2003 - 12:16
actually name changes put a lot of strain on the server load so admin would prefer you start a new account
yep :)

i've only changed my name within an account once but i've had multiple forum accounts [/b][/quote]
really :o

im shocked . no lie.....

JONNO_CELEBS

12-21-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Lamsey+21 December 2003 - 13:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 21 December 2003 - 13:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@21 December 2003 - 12:47
<!--QuoteBegin-DarthInsinuate@21 December 2003 - 13:16
actually name changes put a lot of strain on the server load so admin would prefer you start a new account
Whoever told you that?

Come on my forum and I'll change your name every day of the week if you want :)

All you do is go into the account and delete the name and type the new one and click ok, thats it! :)

Jonno B)
At the time of writing, your forum has 64 members and 18,255 posts.

This one has 62,485 members and 602,346 posts.

You can't compare script execution times between the two. [/b][/quote]
What do script execution times have to do with a simple name change?

Besides if what you are saying is true, then why has the Admins changed my and Baz's names, 2 for Baz and 1 for me??
With no quarrals whatsoever!

We have found the script execution times are affected by sub-forums more than anything

Jonno B)

scribblec

12-21-2003, 02:06 PM

yea ive had name changes twice and i dont think it was a problem....

Evil Gemini

12-21-2003, 02:07 PM

I asked 7th to change my name and he did :D

Lamsey

12-21-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+21 December 2003 - 13:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 21 December 2003 - 13:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@21 December 2003 - 13:50
At the time of writing, your forum has 64 members and 18,255 posts.

This one has 62,485 members and 602,346 posts.

You can't compare script execution times between the two.
What do script execution times have to do with a simple name change?

Besides if what you are saying is true, then why has the Admins changed my and Baz's names, 2 for Baz and 1 for me??
With no quarrals whatsoever!

We have found the script execution times are affected by sub-forums more than anything

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
When you change a name, you execute a script. Every time you do something on a board, be it a post, a search, a mod action or an admin action, you are executing a script. So 'script execution time' isn't just a stat you see when you view a post.

The "username change" script searches through every single post and makes alterations as necessary. On a board this huge, that takes a lot of server time.

During busy periods, that can bring the server to its knees, resulting in downtime. However with the dedicated servers that we have, we can get away with it in quiet periods. So the admins will be happy to change names - but would much prefer if you asked at a time when the board is quiet.

IPB just isn't designed for boards this big. It's down to the hard work of all our admins that this place stays up at all.

JONNO_CELEBS

12-21-2003, 02:16 PM

Then what's the problem with what I originally said?

I know what Script times are Lamsey, we were shut down a couple of weeks ago due to a script time of 5mins 3 secs, still not sure where it came from

And we all apreciate what work goes in!

Jonno B)

Lamsey

12-21-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@21 December 2003 - 13:16
Then what's the problem with what I originally said?

I know what Script times are Lamsey, we were shut down a couple of weeks ago due to a script time of 5mins 3 secs, still not sure where it came from

What do script execution times have to do with a simple name change?
;)

JONNO_CELEBS

12-21-2003, 02:29 PM

During busy periods, that can bring the server to its knees, resulting in downtime. However with the dedicated servers that we have, we can get away with it in quiet periods. So the admins will be happy to change names - but would much prefer if you asked at a time when the board is quiet.

:P :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

Nimdock

12-21-2003, 05:51 PM

<_< <_< <_<

internet.news

12-21-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by MediaSlayer@21 December 2003 - 08:21
i will be moving to a new location soon, which means a different computer, with a completely different netblock. which means i could, if i wanted to, create another account and kill this one. i have always been a "one account" type person, i never considered doing otherwise until now. however, there are two small reasons it might be appropriate to consider creating another username, and killing this one:

1.i'm sick of the name "mediaslayer" that is not my name on irc, soulseek, or anywhere else. when i first joined i had a problem with kazaa, so i just made up a dumb name in order to post. now i'm sick of it, i even loathe it.
2.my personality on this board has changed alot, and i think it is possible a new identity would be in order.

in this thread (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88768), j'pol seems to be endorsing multiple accounts, and probably enjoying the confusion that it causes. but what do you think? furious four members, now is your chance to slam me, for considering doing that very thing that started that ruckus. so tell me, should i cave in to social pressure or not? is it wrong to be curious about such a dastardly thing?
Let me say something:

For me your name is not important, just your character ;)

Nightwolf

12-21-2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by internet.news@21 December 2003 - 13:12
Let me say something:

For me your name is not important, just your character ;)
Yes, and over time you begin to associate a person's character with their name. After a while, it helps you to understand the tone and nature of the messages posted by that person. Why take the time to esablish your credibility, only to wipe it out completely? The only reason I can think of is if you like to say things that piss people off like Octopussy, or else you have a split personality disorder. I think some people do it just to draw attention to themselves.

Rappy

12-21-2003, 08:45 PM

don't kill yourself only i can do that!!!!!!

Illuminati

12-21-2003, 10:31 PM

Considering your reputation and records here so far, and seeing as you only want to get rid of the username and not the whole account, my advice would be just PM the team about changing it.

But on a similar note, multiple accounts can be fun ;)

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 10:33 PM

off topic: i checked into that deus game a little, and it looks good so far, except they only deliver it to eu countries.

but there's alway ebay

Yang

12-21-2003, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Illuminati@21 December 2003 - 22:31
But on a similar note, multiple accounts can be fun ;)
Damn right, Ill baby! :D

Illuminati

12-21-2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Yang+21 December 2003 - 23:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yang @ 21 December 2003 - 23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@21 December 2003 - 22:31
But on a similar note, multiple accounts can be fun ;)
Damn right, Ill baby! :D [/b][/quote]
Shut it Yang and get back in my head :devil:

off topic: i checked into that deus game a little, and it looks good so far, except they only deliver it to eu countries.

but there's alway ebay

There's also P2P ;)

But seriously - You could try amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00003OPES/qid=1072042766//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl63/103-0131518-6085403?v=glance&s=videogames&n=507846). No chance in hell of getting it before christmas, but it is worth it.

Even better in that you don't need a top-end PC for it - AFAIK, just a PIII or around for good graphics and decent speed :D

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 10:45 PM

not to further the spam, but will i have to run it in windows 98 compatibility mode? cuz i didn't see xp listed under "platform"s on the amazon link.

Illuminati

12-21-2003, 10:49 PM

Here's the system requirements printed on the back of my copy
Pentium 300 (Min), Pentium 450 (Rec)
Windows 95/98/ME/XP (Home Edition)
4x CD-ROM Drive
64Mb RAM (Min), 128Mb RAM (Rec)
DirectX 7.0a compatible 3D graphics card with 8Mb RAM (Min)#
Direct 7.0a compatible sound card
Mouse & Keyboard
150Mb Hard Drive space (Min)

callum

12-21-2003, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by MediaSlayer@21 December 2003 - 21:45
not to further the spam, but will i have to run it in windows 98 compatibility mode? cuz i didn't see xp listed under "platform"s on the amazon link.
It will be fine, I got it with my comp and my OS is XP.
No need to run in windows 98 compatibility mode.

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 10:51 PM

ok maybe i misread the amazon link or they forgot to put xp on there, but i got more than enough system requirements to run it.

Illuminati

12-21-2003, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by MediaSlayer@21 December 2003 - 23:51
ok maybe i misread the amazon link or they forgot to put xp on there, but i got more than enough system requirements to run it.
More likely their fault

Amazon have a habit of botching up completing info on games - I've bought a few from them where I've had to search elsewhere for the complete info :rolleyes:

EDIT: Ah - Now I see what you mean by Compatibility Mode. Looks like it's me that's misreading :lol:

Eidos has declared that it wouldn't provide support for pre-XP games concerning WinXP. They're right bastards for it, but DX works great on it anyway.

balamm

12-21-2003, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Lamsey@21 December 2003 - 06:50

At the time of writing, your forum has 64 members and 18,255 posts.

This one has 62,485 members and 602,346 posts.

You can't compare script execution times between the two.
I'd be very surprised if this forum actually has more than 500 members.

It might look real impressive having that number down there but how many have ever logged in more than once or twice?

Look at the online stats, average 100 users online. Best we ever saw was 400 and I think that was due to darker redirecting traffic here.

Even if you used an extremely conservative estimate of 2% of members online at any one time, you're looking at a total real membership of 5000.

The server load excuse just doesn't fly the same now does it?

Snee

12-21-2003, 11:01 PM

Hey Media', I almost feel like I'm the one OT, for posting this. But I don't care whether you get a new account or keep the old one as long as you tell me who you are. It isn't the name or the post-count that matters, and there isn't much more to it than that either, so in short, it doesn't matter, as long as I know who is who. :)

For what it's worth there ya have it.:)

hobbes

12-21-2003, 11:03 PM

I think "Mediaslayer" is one of the coolest names on this forum. Sorry you don't like it, but I think it is modern vicious.

MediaSlayer

12-21-2003, 11:05 PM

thanks sonny. i was gonna change it entirely, and ditch mediaslayer, but in light of things the feedback i got from members, i think i will keep mediaslayer. if i ever changed it, i would probably change it to <icingdeath> which is my name on rikk's forum and rapfan's forum. but i don't think i will now, so as to keep the confusion to a minumum.

edit:thx hobbes! it's always hard to choose one, and plus when i first joined it was only for the purpose of asking one question about kazaa, and look what happened!!!

Nimdock

12-21-2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by balamm@21 December 2003 - 18:57
I'd be very surprised if this forum actually has more than 500 members.

It might look real impressive having that number down there but how many have ever logged in more than once or twice? 

Look at the online stats, average 100 users online. Best we ever saw was 400 and I think that was due to darker redirecting traffic here.

Even if you used an extremely  conservative estimate of 2% of members online at any one time, you're looking at a total real membership of 5000.

The server load excuse just doesn't fly the same now does it?
I have to agree with balamm on this one.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Nimdock+21 December 2003 - 22:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nimdock @ 21 December 2003 - 22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-balamm@21 December 2003 - 18:57
I'd be very surprised if this forum actually has more than 500 members.

It might look real impressive having that number down there but how many have ever logged in more than once or twice?

Look at the online stats, average 100 users online. Best we ever saw was 400 and I think that was due to darker redirecting traffic here.

Even if you used an extremely conservative estimate of 2% of members online at any one time, you're looking at a total real membership of 5000.

The server load excuse just doesn't fly the same now does it?
I have to agree with balamm on this one. [/b][/quote]
The number of members has nothing to do with the server load when (for instance) changing usernames. It is the number of posts that causes the excess load - and we have a lot of posts.

I'm surprised that someone so 1337 as Balamm didn't know that.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 00:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 00:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Nimdock@21 December 2003 - 22:10
<!--QuoteBegin-balamm@21 December 2003 - 18:57
I'd be very surprised if this forum actually has more than 500 members.

It might look real impressive having that number down there but how many have ever logged in more than once or twice?

Look at the online stats, average 100 users online. Best we ever saw was 400 and I think that was due to darker redirecting traffic here.

Even if you used an extremely conservative estimate of 2% of members online at any one time, you're looking at a total real membership of 5000.

The server load excuse just doesn't fly the same now does it?
I have to agree with balamm on this one.
The number of members has nothing to do with the server load when (for instance) changing usernames. It is the number of posts that causes the excess load - and we have a lot of posts.

I'm surprised that someone so 1337 as Balamm didn't know that. [/b][/quote]
That is not what you were saying earlier Liam. :unsure:

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by bigboab+21 December 2003 - 23:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 21 December 2003 - 23:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 00:31
The number of members has nothing to do with the server load when (for instance) changing usernames. It is the number of posts that causes the excess load - and we have a lot of posts.

I'm surprised that someone so 1337 as Balamm didn't know that.
That is not what you were saying earlier Liam. :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Yes it is. I never said explicitly that the number of members affects the script executions. However, a high number of members means a high number of posts.

I quoted both statistics to highlight the differences between the forums which were erroneously being compared.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 12:46 AM

I am sorry I think I am losing the plot here. Did you not say to Jonno that because you had a higher membership that affected the changing of usernames? Or words to that effect.

As far as I am led to believe changing usernames is just a matter of changing the variable content in a users record. If the database was dynamically set up then it does not matter what the size of the database is, you would almost instantly access and change that users name. This would have absolutely no effect on the rest of the database as it uses the same variable to access that information.

balamm

12-22-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey@21 December 2003 - 17:31

I'm surprised that someone so 1337 as Balamm didn't know that.
I see your attitude hasn't improved at all.

Grow up Liam, you said what you said.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by balamm+21 December 2003 - 23:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (balamm @ 21 December 2003 - 23:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@21 December 2003 - 17:31

I'm surprised that someone so 1337 as Balamm didn't know that.
I see your attitude hasn't improved at all.

Grow up Liam, you said what you said. [/b][/quote]
At least I don't hide behind other accounts and post people's IPs in a pathetic attempt to worry them.

Would you like some help admitting you're wrong btw? You seem to find it rather difficult.

Bigboab: I only mentioned memberships when comparing the sizes of the forums. I was making the point that what is true for Jonno's (small) forum would not apply to this (huge) forum.

In the particular case of a username change, the number of posts is a major factor in server load, as detailed previously in this thread. You may ask 7thElement if you don't believe me. Darker used to have a pinned topic which included this info but I can't find it.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 01:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 01:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by balamm@21 December 2003 - 23:49
<!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@21 December 2003 - 17:31

I'm surprised that someone so 1337 as Balamm didn't know that.
I see your attitude hasn't improved at all.

Grow up Liam, you said what you said.
At least I don't hide behind other accounts and post people's IPs in a pathetic attempt to worry them.

Would you like some help admitting you're wrong btw? You seem to find it rather difficult.

Bigboab: I only mentioned memberships when comparing the sizes of the forums. I was making the point that what is true for Jonno's (small) forum would not apply to this (huge) forum.

In the particular case of a username change, the number of posts is a major factor in server load, as detailed previously in this thread. You may ask 7thElement if you don't believe me. Darker used to have a pinned topic which included this info but I can't find it. [/b][/quote]
I dont need to ask 7th Element or any other bloody element the facts are the facts. :angry: The subject was changing user names. The size of the database does not matter if it is dynamically set up. The dicussion was with Jonno was about changing user names and nothing else. I kept out of the original posting because I dont believe in arguing with students in public. But you have continued the same thing with Balamm. Just say 'I made a mistake' and lets all forget about it.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Me
The "username change" script searches through every single post and makes alterations as necessary. On a board this huge, that takes a lot of server time.

During busy periods, that can bring the server to its knees, resulting in downtime. However with the dedicated servers that we have, we can get away with it in quiet periods. So the admins will be happy to change names - but would much prefer if you asked at a time when the board is quiet.
;)

bigboab

12-22-2003, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 01:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Me
The "username change" script searches through every single post and makes alterations as necessary. On a board this huge, that takes a lot of server time.

During busy periods, that can bring the server to its knees, resulting in downtime. However with the dedicated servers that we have, we can get away with it in quiet periods. So the admins will be happy to change names - but would much prefer if you asked at a time when the board is quiet.
;) [/b][/quote]
I suggest you see your lecturer when you return to the Uni and he/she will explain the error of your ways.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by bigboab+22 December 2003 - 00:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 22 December 2003 - 00:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:16
<!--QuoteBegin-Me
The "username change" script searches through every single post and makes alterations as necessary. On a board this huge, that takes a lot of server time.

During busy periods, that can bring the server to its knees, resulting in downtime. However with the dedicated servers that we have, we can get away with it in quiet periods. So the admins will be happy to change names - but would much prefer if you asked at a time when the board is quiet.
;)
I suggest you see your lecturer when you return to the Uni and he/she will explain the error of your ways. [/b][/quote]
If you're that certain, why not tell me yourself? If not, which lecturer should I see?

I'm going on what has been posted by the man who used to host this forum, and whose main job is in Internet Hosting. Seems like a good source to me.

Remember that what you may know about mySQL or PHP may not fully apply to the IPB system; it is set up in such a way that it is very unsuitable for big boards like this (example above); we have considered moving to phpBB before, but the loss of some features wouldn't be good.

Thankfully, 7thElement has some brilliant servers, one of which is completely dedicated to this board. Which is why we're still online with IPB.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 01:28 AM

The way you are describing the system Liam it woud not last two minutes. Are you telling me that every time I change my Avator it goes through every single post that I make and changes that avator?

Nimdock

12-22-2003, 01:31 AM

I've seen invision boards much larger than this one running smoothly... just to cite neowin, it's an impressive community, really big... runs with no problems.

My forum is nowhere as big, but we have a good 140.000 posts... no problems on this end with invision.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by bigboab@22 December 2003 - 00:28
The way you are describing the system Liam it woud not last two minutes. Are you telling me that every time I change my Avator it goes through every single post that I make and changes that avator?
No, because the avatar link is a dynamic variable of the type you described. However, the username change doesn't work like that.

Darker never specified exactly what it updates, but I assume it updates QUOTE tags to reflect the correct name. And it has to search every post.

And yes - two minutes might be right. If there wasn't at least a hundred other members trying to post, search, move topics, etc. at the same time. And even two minutes downtime is too much inconvenience for just a name change.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Nimdock@22 December 2003 - 01:31
I've seen invision boards much larger than this one running smoothly... just to cite neowin, it's an impressive community, really big... runs with no problems.

My forum is nowhere as big, but we have a good 140.000 posts... no problems on this end with invision.
We are not talking about how well the board runs Nim. It is how it works.

Nimdock

12-22-2003, 01:36 AM

Yes, I know what the discussion is here, however is was mentioned that invision software doesn't respond very well, I'm noting that my personal experience is different.

balamm

12-22-2003, 01:38 AM

Wrong about what? That you don't have a clue what you're talking about and you won't admit it?

You jump into some pretty ill informed conclusions at times.

The IP thing for example ??
Unless you are refering to me closing down internet.news and his k-lite clone. I haven't posted his IP at all.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:39 AM

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 01:40 AM

Balamm does a Moderator have access to scripts?

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by bigboab@22 December 2003 - 00:40
Balamm does a Moderator have access to scripts?
No, they don't. they can probably view the source of those they have access to, but that's all.

balamm

12-22-2003, 01:44 AM

No, they don't have access to sweet f**k all.

Most of it is bluff and conjecture.

They can manage posts, move them, delete them, split them etc. , and they have minimal control over who posts.

ilw

12-22-2003, 01:46 AM

If it goes through all the posts correcting names in quotes and the like, then that seems pretty daft, I would really think it would make so much more sense just making a tiny change in the database variable holding the name. After all the name in the quote boxes doesn't seem to be dynamic, as you can tell whenever you edit a quote you've made. Is it not possible Darker made a mistake on this one?

Oh and calm down ladies, or is it handbags at dawn? :D

bigboab

12-22-2003, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 01:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@22 December 2003 - 00:40
Balamm does a Moderator have access to scripts?
No, they don't. they can probably view the source of those they have access to, but that's all. [/b][/quote]
Well what I was try to find out Liam is if you had access to a script. I was going to ask you to post one. I think that you will find that nowhere in that script will you find the posters name, unless he specifically printed it in the post. All you would find is his record variable. This is why big businesses keep their user records separate from their main database. That way if you access the main database you do not know who is being referred to, because all you see is a variable reference.

ThePlasticSurgeon

12-22-2003, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:32
No, because the avatar link is a dynamic variable of the type you described. However, the username change doesn't work like that.

Darker never specified exactly what it updates, but I assume it updates QUOTE tags to reflect the correct name. And it has to search every post.
How horribly inefficient! I thought the board stored the UserID with every post and not the actual name (In case you are wondering phpBB (http://www.phpbb.com) uses the more efficient way).

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by bigboab+22 December 2003 - 00:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 22 December 2003 - 00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:41
<!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@22 December 2003 - 00:40
Balamm does a Moderator have access to scripts?
No, they don't. they can probably view the source of those they have access to, but that's all.
Well what I was try to find out Liam is if you had access to a script. I was going to ask you to post one. I think that you will find that nowhere in that script will you find the posters name, unless he specifically printed it in the post. All you would find is his record variable. This is why big businesses keep their user records separate from their main database. That way if you access the main database you do not know who is being referred to, because all you see is a variable reference. [/b][/quote]
The updating of the variable is not the issue. That is done in milliseconds. However the text in each post has to be scanned and updated due to that change, as I specified above. The text of a username is explicitly embedded in a QUOTE tag. Try it.

As I said if you want more details than I can provide feel free to ask 7thElement.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by ThePlasticSurgeon+22 December 2003 - 00:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThePlasticSurgeon @ 22 December 2003 - 00:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:32
No, because the avatar link is a dynamic variable of the type you described. However, the username change doesn't work like that.

Darker never specified exactly what it updates, but I assume it updates QUOTE tags to reflect the correct name. And it has to search every post.
How horribly inefficient! I thought the board stored the UserID with every post and not the actual name (In case you are wondering phpBB (http://www.phpbb.com) uses the more efficient way). [/b][/quote]
Which is why we were considering a migration. IPB is just not designed for large-scale boards. Many of the moderation functions are poorly designed for large databases.

Nimdock

12-22-2003, 01:55 AM

But the change is done as requested... not on the spot... when you change a name it doesn't go changing the name on all the posts made by that user, it just applies the name for x user that is on the database when a specific topic is requested.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Nimdock@22 December 2003 - 00:55
But the change is done as requested... not on the spot... when you change a name it doesn't go changing the name on all the posts made by that user, it just applies the name for x user that is on the database when a specific topic is requested.
As I said, I don't know the particulars. I assume that it is the QUOTE tags which are updated for the reasons detailed above.

If you would continue to dispute what was originally posted here by Darker, then feel free to PM 7thElement and ask him - he has worked closely with Darker and will know about the issue.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 02:00 AM

I am sorry Liam. In that case all the lecturers that I know and including myself have been issuing wrong information to students about the use of variables. For this I humbly apologize to all my former students, some of whom are now lecturers themselves, for misleading them. :( I will now take no further part in this as apparantly I am wrong.

balamm

12-22-2003, 02:02 AM

This is a copy of the admin/moderator functions. Obviously not much use without the cgi scripts but it shows how hidden everything is.

If you copy the source from your own page and post it into dreamweaver, frontpage, or notepad, you'll see it's all done by msg ID and member #.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body><div align='left' style='float:left;width:auto'>
<form method='POST' style='display:inline' name='modform' action='http://s89291739.onlinehome.us/forum/index.php?'>
<input type='hidden' name='t' value='35' />
<input type='hidden' name='f' value='10' />
<input type='hidden' name='st' value='' />
<input type='hidden' name='auth_key' value='8b622c74f23f8c941bc625b855a7f0b2' />
<input type='hidden' name='act' value='Mod' />
<select name='CODE' class='forminput' style="font-weight:bold;color:red">
<option value='-1' style='color:black'>Moderation Options</option>
<option value='02'>Move this topic</option><option value='00'>Close this topic</option><option value='03'>Delete this topic</option><option value='05'>Edit Topic Title</option><option value='15'>Pin this Topic</option><option value='30'>Unsubscribe all from topic</option><option value='60'>Merge Topic</option><option value='50'>Split Topic</option><option value='90'>View Topic History (Admin Option)</option>
</select> <input type='submit' value='Go' class='forminput' /></form>
 </div>
</body>
</html>

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by bigboab@22 December 2003 - 01:00
I am sorry Liam. In that case all the lecturers that I know and including myself have been issuing wrong information to students about the use of variables. For this I humbly apologize to all my former students, some of whom are now lecturers themselves, for misleading them. :(  I will now take no further part in this as apparantly I am wrong.
Read what I said. The variables are not the issue. In the IPB system the posts on the board have to be scanned and updated to match the new variable value when a username is updated.

I do not know exactly why this is, although my guess is that QUOTE tags (which are plain text, not a variable reference) have to be updated to refer to the new username.
However that may be wrong. If you really want to know what the specific problem is, contact 7thElement; he should know, as I said above.

bigboab

12-22-2003, 02:06 AM

If that is the case the designers want to be put up against a wall and shot.

I should have thought that a quote was a cross reference, just another variable.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by balamm@22 December 2003 - 01:02
This is a copy of the admin/moderator functions. Obviously not much use without the cgi scripts but it shows how hidden everything is.

If you copy the source from your own page and post it into dreamweaver, frontpage, or notepad,  you'll see it's all done by msg ID and member #.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body><div align='left' style='float:left;width:auto'>
<form method='POST' style='display:inline' name='modform' action='http://s89291739.onlinehome.us/forum/index.php?'>
<input type='hidden' name='t' value='35' />
<input type='hidden' name='f' value='10' />
<input type='hidden' name='st' value='' />
<input type='hidden' name='auth_key' value='8b622c74f23f8c941bc625b855a7f0b2' />
<input type='hidden' name='act' value='Mod' />
<select name='CODE' class='forminput' style="font-weight:bold;color:red">
<option value='-1' style='color:black'>Moderation Options</option>
<option value='02'>Move this topic</option><option value='00'>Close this topic</option><option value='03'>Delete this topic</option><option value='05'>Edit Topic Title</option><option value='15'>Pin this Topic</option><option value='30'>Unsubscribe all from topic</option><option value='60'>Merge Topic</option><option value='50'>Split Topic</option><option value='90'>View Topic History (Admin Option)</option>
</select> <input type='submit' value='Go' class='forminput' /></form>
</div>
</body>
</html>

Those are the post-specific mod functions. Name changes are done via the Admin CP.

If you're really interested in it, you could download the IPB system itself and look at those scripts.

edit: @bigboab: exactly. As I said, that's why we were considering a move to something like phpBB. IPB just isn't made for massive forums.
I've PMed 7thElement about this, because it's now bugging me what the problem is - I'm not 100% sure about the QUOTE tags, although it's still my best guess.

With luck he will be able to clarify.

Nimdock

12-22-2003, 02:08 AM

Actually that is not true, when you change a name if you go looking for older posts where he has been quoted, the quote appears with the former name, not with the new one.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Nimdock@22 December 2003 - 01:08
Actually that is not true, when you change a name if you go looking for older posts where he has been quoted, the quote appears with the former name, not with the new one.
You sure? Can you provide an example?

If so then I don't know exactly what it is that needs updated.

Nimdock

12-22-2003, 02:11 AM

For instance, in my board I had a member by the name of Ertai, the corrupted, I changed his name to Frodo on december 17th...

However on the posts that he was quoted prior to december 17th he appears as Ertai, the corrupted:

QUOTE (Ertai, The Corrupted @ Nov 25 2003, 08:28 AM)

titey

12-22-2003, 02:13 AM

.http://piczonline.com/client/titey/snack.gif

http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/eekout.gif

bigboab

12-22-2003, 02:14 AM

Very good Liam, now you translate that into plain english for me line by line. Then I will know that you know what you are talking about.

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Nimdock@22 December 2003 - 01:11
For instance, in my board I had a member by the name of Ertai, the corrupted, I changed his name to Frodo on december 17th...

However on the posts that he was quoted prior to december 17th he appears as Ertai, the corrupted:

QUOTE (Ertai, The Corrupted @ Nov 25 2003, 08:28 AM)
Well, I guess my assumption about the QUOTE tags is wrong then.

You realise this is going to bug me now? :rolleyes:

Hopefully 7thElement will provide clarification.

@bigboab: which bit do you want translated?

Nimdock

12-22-2003, 02:21 AM

As much as I would like to continue entertaining Titey I have to go and take a shower, see you all later...

bigboab

12-22-2003, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 02:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 02:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nimdock@22 December 2003 - 01:11
For instance, in my board I had a member by the name of Ertai, the corrupted, I changed his name to Frodo on december 17th...

However on the posts that he was quoted prior to december 17th he appears as Ertai, the corrupted:

QUOTE (Ertai, The Corrupted @ Nov 25 2003, 08:28 AM)
Well, I guess my assumption about the QUOTE tags is wrong then.

You realise this is going to bug me now? :rolleyes:

Hopefully 7thElement will provide clarification.

@bigboab: which bit do you want translated? [/b][/quote]
The lot. No dont bother I think I will just give the whole thing a miss. :(

JONNO_CELEBS

12-22-2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by titey@22 December 2003 - 02:13
.[LIST]http://piczonline.com/client/titey/snack.gif

:lol: :lol: :lol: LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmmm very interesting, Lamsey you should really know all your facts 100% before arguing :P

Jonno B)

Lamsey

12-22-2003, 12:28 PM

OK, got some clarification from 7thElement: he says it is not the total number of posts on the board, but the total number of posts by that member which affects it. That seems rather different from what Darker said, but I'll go with it because 7th is the man with the scripts.

Name changes cause a lot of load IF the user has a high post count because the mysql query searches the whole database (currently 700 MB) for posts and changes the username (the username is stored with every post)

DreamWeaver

01-21-2004, 01:09 AM

i should :lol:

Spider_dude

01-21-2004, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by DreamWeaver@21 January 2004 - 01:09
i should :lol:
stfu?

internet.news

01-21-2004, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by MediaSlayer@21 December 2003 - 08:21
i will be moving to a new location soon, which means a different computer, with a completely different netblock. which means i could, if i wanted to, create another account and kill this one. i have always been a "one account" type person, i never considered doing otherwise until now. however, there are two small reasons it might be appropriate to consider creating another username, and killing this one:

1.i'm sick of the name "mediaslayer" that is not my name on irc, soulseek, or anywhere else. when i first joined i had a problem with kazaa, so i just made up a dumb name in order to post. now i'm sick of it, i even loathe it.
2.my personality on this board has changed alot, and i think it is possible a new identity would be in order.

in this thread (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=88768), j'pol seems to be endorsing multiple accounts, and probably enjoying the confusion that it causes. but what do you think? furious four members, now is your chance to slam me, for considering doing that very thing that started that ruckus. so tell me, should i cave in to social pressure or not? is it wrong to be curious about such a dastardly thing?
If you think you should take a new name, feel free to change it.

But it would be kind of you to inform us which one you finally took.

As my Signature represents some parts of me which are changing I also changed my Signature.