Censorship

[J'Pol]

Good or bad.

What do you chaps think.

Should we burn books because we disapprove of someone else freely expressing themselves. Whether or not we agree with what they say.

I for one fully support everyone's right to express themselves as they see fit. So long as they accept that others may disagree and there may be ramifications

[internet.news]

I think you should be able to post naked pics of UKMan as you feel free!


although what's you point???

[Spider_dude]

surely there should be laws for taste and decency?

[internet.news]

Discretion - and I'd hope so

[Lamsey]

I am against censorship, certainly. Everyone has the right to free speech.


However, with my mod hat on I would say in the context of this board: when people register with this board they agree to abide by the board rules; if those rules are broken then action will be taken. Otherwise people are free to express their opinion, no matter how controversial.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 02:51
I think you should be able to post naked pics of UKMan as you feel free!


although what's you point???
I have absolutely no desire to do such a thing, are you a mentalist at all.

The very thought makes me feel ill. Where would I get such a thing.

If he wishes to post naked images of himself on the interweb, that is his business. I for one wish no part of it.

[internet.news]

There we go - case closed :)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 03:01
There we go - case closed :)
What case - I asked a simple question with regard to censorship.

You started talking about the fact that a mutual friend had posted naked images of himself on the net. That is a matter for him and of no interest to me. I assume he was not coerced into doing it. It was his choice to do, as it is everyone else's. As with you and your punt, or your singing.

I was discussing freedom of expression, discussing views which others may disagree with and generally chatting of this and that.

I can assure you I have no interest in naked images of any man.

[internet.news]

<edited - check the bloody board rules>

Case closed

[hobbes]

I gave an internet link to a friend in good fun. I did this because I knew he would never post the link here.

What I did was wrong, as I think that the private forum the link was from should be completely private. I breached the unwritten code of trust of that forum, when I consider the situation in retrospect.

No, I did not sign an agreement, or swear an oath, but what is done in private should remain there. I am disappointed in myself, and I apologise.

[Autumn Fox]

Censorship should exist mainly due to the fact that some people have a better way with words then others, one can be more easly controled the another and we&#39;ve all heard about people such as Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and others.
Censorship should cut out the most controversial things.


Originally posted by Lamsey@29 December 2003 - 01:59
(...)people are free to express their opinion, no matter how controversial.

Aside from board rules, this is too much. If you hurt my feelings with your words, if you make other people have certian approche twords me, you&#39;re violating MY freedom.

To sum up: Ones freedom ends, where Anothers starts. In everything. To tolerate is diffrent from neglect.

(sorry for spelling, gramma and such errors.)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 03:09
<edited>



Case closed
I think we may have found an audio visual aid for "beyond the pale".

[internet.news]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 03:13
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You have to admit dear boy, it is a wee hair on the harsh side.

[Lamsey]

Nude pictures may be acceptable elsewhere, but they are not acceptable here.

Please refrain from posting any such pictures.


Autumn Fox: the rules of this board are here to protect the rights of members; if anyone steps too far out of line then it should be covered by our rules.

We try to achieve a balance between allowing freedom of speech and cracking down on troublemakers, but it&#39;s a fine line we tread - sometimes we get it wrong.

If anyone ever feels that something posted here is out of line, then do feel free to PM a moderator and make your opinion heard.

[internet.news]

Harsh enough to be "modded" for the first time :lol: :lol: (it is a special day&#33;)

[Spider_dude]

[the_Faceman] MY EYES ARGGGG
[Spider_dude] wtf? man that is so gay

[internet.news]

If anyone ever feels that something posted here is out of line, then do feel free to PM a moderator and make your opinion heard.


Lamsey - your box is full&#33;

[Autumn Fox]

Originally posted by Lamsey@29 December 2003 - 02:17
(...)
Autumn Fox: the rules of this board are here to protect the rights of members; if anyone steps too far out of line then it should be covered by our rules.

We try to achieve a balance between allowing freedom of speech and cracking down on troublemakers, but it&#39;s a fine line we tread - sometimes we get it wrong.
(...)
And this is what i&#39;m talking about. Both: General and specific in any way.

BTW. How can i change my nick so it&#39;s Autumn Fox and not Atumn Fox ?

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Atumn Fox+29 December 2003 - 03:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Atumn Fox @ 29 December 2003 - 03:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@29 December 2003 - 02:17
(...)
Autumn Fox: the rules of this board are here to protect the rights of members; if anyone steps too far out of line then it should be covered by our rules.

We try to achieve a balance between allowing freedom of speech and cracking down on troublemakers, but it&#39;s a fine line we tread - sometimes we get it wrong.
(...)
And this is what i&#39;m talking about.

BTW. How can i change my nick so it&#39;s Autumn Fox and not Atumn Fox ? [/b][/quote]
Just tell an Admin you want it changed.

They will do it without a problem.

[Autumn Fox]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@29 December 2003 - 02:40
(...)
Just tell an Admin you want it changed.

They will do it without a problem.
Thanks J&#39;Pol.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Atumn Fox+29 December 2003 - 03:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Atumn Fox @ 29 December 2003 - 03:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@29 December 2003 - 02:40
(...)
Just tell an Admin you want it changed.

They will do it without a problem.
Thanks J&#39;Pol. [/b][/quote]
A pleasure - it may take a wee while, no more than a few hours usually.

They do it when the board is quiet, to save slowing things down too much.

[vidcc]

i hate censorship but feel that a line has to be drawn somewhere..e.g. child porn.
children have to be protected at all costs, however that doesn&#39;t mean that a consenting adult should be barred from watching / saying what he wants ( this is where responsibility comes in )
when lived in the UK i used to hate watching movies on the BBC as they were edited for family viewing...even after the watershed.
Now i have no great wish to view pornography (honest it&#39;s true) however i remember virginia bottomly banning a satelite channel called red hot dutch in the UK (even though you needed a special decoder to get it)..her statement...we have to protect children from pornography. well i agree totally with that however as stated the channel needed a special decoder and it was broadcast from midnight to 4 am when children were asleep...so do we deny the right of sensible mature adults to their freedom because of one or two undiciplined households?.
since moving to the USA i have had to endure jokes about gaining the freedom to the right to agree with the american way. Even in the land of free speech censors are at work. it happens in government as well as the media.(i&#39;m not old enough to remember the comunist witch hunt) Why can&#39;t they release the kennedy files ?
i have no great issue with open broadcast tv cutting out a few 4 letter words but i do have issue with someone telling me i can&#39;t see something because it doesn&#39;t meet their "morals". As i said we have to draw a line at some point or the unacceptable will become normal, we just have to find that line.
it all boils down to personal freedom which is one of the most important things we have but then i shouldn&#39;t have the personal freedom to adversely affect someone elses life. Nobody of adult age should be barred from watching adult porn just as nobdy should be forced to watch it.
i don&#39;t know about everyone but i can make my own choices, if i don&#39;t like a tv show i can turn to another channel or turn it off...simple.
if i don&#39;t like a book i won&#39;t read it.
i don&#39;t know exactly where it happened but last year in an American town there was a book burning incident....was the book evil and deserving of such treatment?..you decide


the book was harry potter.....as i asked where should that line be drawn?

[UKMan]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 02:51
I think you should be able to post naked pics of UKMan as you feel free&#33;


although what&#39;s you point???
What kind of statement is that ??

Your not doing much to help are you??

Grow up for fecks sake.

This isnt a flame from me, im defending an idiotic statement about me. Everyone else does.

[Autumn Fox]

Nothing should be
Originally posted by vidcc@29 December 2003 - 03:41
protected at all costs .
The implications of this statment are beyond ones worst nightmares.

[internet.news]

Originally posted by UKMan+29 December 2003 - 02:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UKMan @ 29 December 2003 - 02:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 02:51
I think you should be able to post naked pics of UKMan as you feel free&#33;


although what&#39;s you point???
What kind of statement is that ??

Your not doing much to help are you??

Grow up for fecks sake.

This isnt a flame from me, im defending an idiotic statement about me. Everyone else does. [/b][/quote]
Since you said "this isn&#39;t a flame from me"............. :lol: :lol: :lol:



Anyway - that part is password protected and GET THE JOKE (even if it&#39;s not funny)




Seriously though, sorry if I&#39;ve upset you tonight man - just a fucked up day (No excuse but a reason)

[UKMan]

If its not a joke how am i supposed to get it? - your not making sense Sam.

Your personal problems have no excuse for what you are doing to me&#33; Now stop spamming with idiotic posts that make absolutely no sense.

[internet.news]

Originally posted by UKMan@29 December 2003 - 02:55
for what you are doing to me&#33;
LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:



OK - bitch, now - STFU&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[vidcc]

Originally posted by Autumn Fox+29 December 2003 - 03:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Autumn Fox @ 29 December 2003 - 03:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Nothing should be <!--QuoteBegin-vidcc@29 December 2003 - 03:41
protected at all costs .
The implications of this statment are beyond ones worst nightmares. [/b][/quote]
please read the entire sentence...anything can be taken out of context if you just quote a tiny part

[Arm]

:huh: Whats all this bullshit about protecting kids from porn? Whats so wrong with porn thats it&#39;s such an evil that we have to protect it from kids? :unsure:

[bigboab]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 02:33

If anyone ever feels that something posted here is out of line, then do feel free to PM a moderator and make your opinion heard.


Lamsey - your box is full&#33;
How the hell do you know that Lamsey&#39;s box is full. Is wee mouse aware of this. :lol:

[DanB]

Originally posted by bigboab+29 December 2003 - 20:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 29 December 2003 - 20:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-samsamsamsam@29 December 2003 - 02:33

If anyone ever feels that something posted here is out of line, then do feel free to PM a moderator and make your opinion heard.


Lamsey - your box is full&#33;
How the hell do you know that Lamsey&#39;s box is full. Is wee mouse aware of this. :lol: [/b][/quote]
hello :o :D

[bigboab]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@29 December 2003 - 02:40
BTW. How can i change my nick so it&#39;s Autumn Fox and not Atumn Fox ?
Just tell an Admin you want it changed.

They will do it without a problem. [/quote]
For goodness sakes JP. Dont start that again. :rolleyes:

[Biggles]

I believe that censorship is both wrong and dangerous.

A Jewish intellectual packing up to leave Germany in the 1930s said "they are burning books - they usually burn people next". He was not a prophet he simply considered the historical precedents and acted with some good common sense.

Some of those (not all by any means) that burn Harry Potter books would take little encouragement to be convinced that it was their Godly duty to burn J K Rowling too, if the social and political background allowed it.

It was censorship that did for Copernicus and Socrates.

Separating that which is appropriate to a time and place is not necessarily the same as censorship - although it can be if both the time and place are unreasonably restrictive. One would not expect Blue Peter to explore the details of the Karma Sutra although I would have no problem with them giving it a mention as part of a piece on Indian culture. If anything, to me, being prissy about sex is worse than censorship.

I think one or two people have spotted a small inconsistency in this thread in that some people have been edited (courting such action deliberately to prove a point it seems to me) However, society cannot exist in chaos and anarchy - some observation of the dignity of others has to be adhered to. Although I do not consider sexual images offensive I would not go into my nearest church and read a copy of Penthouse. This would be offensive simply for the sake of offending. Likewise I would not expect my local church or police to come into my house and demand to check out my reading material; be it for sexual or political content.

To use another example, it is not censorship to say it is not permissable to spray racially offensive material on the walls of an Indian shop. It is simply enforcing the right of the Indian family to live with dignity.

[Mïcrösöül°V³]

censorship is wrong. Just visit teeshirt hells webpage, and feel free to express yourself in public places, lol :P