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unreal_dude
02-27-2004, 11:56 AM
Guys there have been lots of posts and debates to whether the matrix movies are good movies or not. So i have been searching quite a lot on this. One day i came upon this amazing explanation about the matrix trilogy and after reading it ..... all my unanswered questions were cleared. This explanation isnt done by me but i m posting it to end all these stupid deabtes abt the matrix trilogy being good or bad. In my opinion this trilogy is one of the greatest. I m also of the opinion that most ppl dint like the 2 and 3rd part cuz they simply perceived matrix as another action movie !!

Explanation in next post......Tell me wot u think .......cuz once you are done reading you'll probably luv the trilogy and respect the bros talent !! :D

unreal_dude
02-27-2004, 11:58 AM
The explanation follows !!

Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.

But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.

So if Neo is a machine, why was he created (as all machines must have a purpose)? He was created by the Oracle and the Architect to be The One. As the Architect explains to him: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix... Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."

Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder..."). This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.

And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.

The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo's mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo's choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)

OK, so The One is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind, and was created by the Oracle and the Architect to carry out a specific purpose (form of control in and out of the Matrix) in each iteration of the Matrix. Now let's see how The One fits in with the entire story of the trilogy.

As is explained, the Matrix was created by the Architect, at the end of the war with the humans, as a way to control the humans and use them as a power source (I know, hard to believe...). The first Matrix was "... quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime.", while the second Matrix was redesigned "... to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." Basically Heaven and then Hell. In both cases, however, no conscious choice was given to the humans as to whether or not they wanted to believe in the reality of the Matrix. This caused the majority of humans to reject the Matrix and die ("... whole crops were lost.").

To solve this problem the Oracle was created, and realized correctly that the humans needed to be given a choice: "Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche... she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level." So by giving humans a choice, even at an unconscious level that only 0.1% are ever aware of, they accepted the Matrix.

Unfortunately for the machines, however, a majority of the 0.1% who were aware of the choice usually chose the real world over the Matrix. "While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster." The machines therefore also needed a way to control the 0.1% of the humans who chose the real world over the Matrix, thus Zion and The One were created.

As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.

But even with Zion and The One, the unpredictability of choice ("systemic anomaly") still forced the machines to occasionally "reload" the Matrix. This always occurs when The One reaches the Source, which he can only do after attaining the level of power necessary for him to defeat the Merovingian, obtain the Keymaker, etc. The One program is then temporarily reinserted into the Source (machine mainframe), in preparation for the next iteration of the Matrix. In the process the machines gain the knowledge and experiences of The One, allowing them to better predict the future behaviour of the humans, and thus reduce the systemic anomalies.

So that is the situation at the start of the sixth iteration of the choice-Matrix. Luckily for the humans, however, the Oracle does not want them to be enslaved in the Matrix any longer, or for the freed humans to be killed. She therefore decides to take a risk and use Neo to bring about a "revolution".

In M1 (The Matrix) she meets with The One, Neo, as she has done in the five previous iterations of the Matrix. Normally she simply helps guide The One to his meeting with the Architect. Except this time the Oracle gives Neo a special cookie, which he eats. The cookie isn't actually a cookie, though, it's an upgrade to Neo's program. Since the Oracle created the The One program, she can predict exactly what Neo will do in the future, specifically how he will destroy Smith (from the inside, with some copying from Neo to Smith occurring). She therefore includes in the program upgrade code that will give Smith the ability to replicate himself, and for Neo and Smith to see the future as she does.

In M2 (The Matrix Reloaded) Neo plays out his role as The One, meeting with the Architect. However, due to his love for Trinity he chooses the left door, preventing the Matrix from reloading. This was seen in advance by the Oracle, as she has the ability to predict Neo's behaviour (as explained above) as well as human behaviour in general (due to the nature of her program). She therefore told Trinity that she would fall in love with Neo (in M1), all the while knowing it would eventually cause Neo to choose the left door.

In M3 (The Matrix Revolutions) the Oracle's plan comes to fruition. While the machines begin their assault on Zion (for the sixth time), Smith continues to replicate himself throughout the Matrix. Neo, on the otherhand, is stuck in the train station. Apparently, fulfilling his mission to meet with the Architect unlocks some section of his program that allows Neo to use his enhanced implants to once again become part of the machine collective (perhaps because of the Oracle's upgrade?). He is therefore able to sense and control other machines wirelessly. The first example of this is when he stops the sentinels at the end of M2. Since he is not quite ready to use his new abilities, however, his program gets stuck at the security checkpoint of the Matrix, the train station.

In the train station Neo meets with Rama Kandra, his wife, and their daughter Sati. Rama and his wife are both machines from the real world who can jack into the Matrix, like all other machines, and live human lives. Sati is a program created by these two machines out of love, which Rama explains to Neo is not out of the grasp of the machines. They are on their way back into the Matrix to leave Sati with the Oracle for safe keeping, as any program without a purpose is deleted.

After being rescued from the train station by Trinity, Morpheus, and Seraph, Neo is helped out of the Matrix using the standard jack. While aboard the Hammer he has another vision of the future, this time of the three power lines leading from the Matrix power station to 01, the machine city (he is able to see the power lines due to his new-found connection to the machine collective). He therefore takes the Logos, along with Trinity, and leaves for 01. Along the way he confronts the stowaway Bane (who has the Smith program inside of him), and is blinded by him. Although blind, Neo is still able to see other machines (orange glow), including the Smith program inside Bane, which he uses to defeat Bane. He also uses his power to control other machines to detonate the bombs fired at the Logos by the 01 defences.

Meanwhile Smith is replicating out of control in the Matrix, and eventually confronts the Oracle after taking over Seraph and Sati. They have a brief conversation in which he calls her "Mom", referring to the fact that she helped to create him (along with the Architect) as well as Neo (part of his program now). The Oracle then tells Smith to "Do what you came here to do.", so he takes over her as well. The newly formed Smith then stands up and laughs hysterically, foreshadowing the events at the end of the movie.

Eventually the Logos crashes in 01, but not before Neo gets a top-down view of the orange glowing city with his new-found machine-vision (notice the fractal patterns). Unfortunately Trinity is killed in the crash, and explains to Neo that both of them have been living on borrowed time. Neo since he was resurrected by Trinity, and Trinity since she was resurrected by Neo. Both are meant to die and Trinity is simply happy for the opportunity this time to tell Neo how she feels about him. (But shame on the brothers for killing off Trinity in such a lame way. Couldn't she have at least died trying to save the ship, not just letting it crash!)

Neo then leaves the Logos and enters the machine building into which it crashed (the building is seen in the same orange glowing machine-vision). He is then confronted by the Deus Ex Machina, who knows that Neo is the only one who can stop Smith from destroying the Matrix, but still shows hatred toward Neo (due to the fact that he is mostly human). After a show of force, the Deus Ex Machina agrees to peace with the humans in exchange for Neo's promise to destroy Smith. This causes the sentinels to halt their attack on the Zion temple, the last holdout of the remaining humans (the dock and city have already been destroyed).

The machines then jack Neo into the Matrix, since he has not yet mastered the ability to do so wirelessly (this theme of Neo having to learn to use his new abilities runs throughout the trilogy). Neo then confronts Smith, who says he has seen the future, and that he (the one particular Smith) is the one that defeats Neo. The other Smiths (all of the other people in the Matrix have now been taken over by him) therefore only watch as the fight begins.

After a brutal battle Neo is near defeat, but continues to fight. When asked why he does so, Neo responds "Because I choose to.", echoing the theme in M2 that "Everything begins with choice." (the only way humans achieve true freedom). But even though he delivers a stunning punch to Smith which sends him through the ground, Neo is eventually defeated. Before Smith takes him over he pauses, however, realising that he has seen this very moment in his visions, and he already knows what he is going to say. "Everything that has a beginning has an end..." he mutters confusedly. This causes Neo to realise that the Oracle still exists somewhere inside of Smith, and that she is partially able to control his thoughts. Taking his cue from the Oracle, Neo freely gives himself to Smith.

Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith's original purpose, to defeat The One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad temperament) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and must be deleted. But since programs marked for deletion must return to the source, how is Smith to be deleted? Simple, the machines send the command through Neo, into Smith, using a burst of energy. This causes all of the Smith clones, and the original Smith, to be deleted, leaving the original inhabitants of the bodies he has taken over (this is a basic function of the agent programs, that they leave their hosts as they found them, with death being the only exception).

This then completes another revolution in the Matrix cycle, as The One has reached the Source and has reinserted the prime program (Neo's program, his knowledge and experiences). The Matrix is then reloaded back to it's initial state, the late 20th century.

The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honour the promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.

Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed (a decent compromise if you ask me).

unreal_dude
02-27-2004, 12:00 PM
The best thing about the wac bros is that they have left the trilogy open to interpretation to the audience. This definitely means that the bros consider the audience to be mature and intelligent enuf to figure things out. This quality is unlike any other director ....... who usually spoon feed the audience and try 2 keep things "simple". Well no it's for you 2 decide whether the bros r good as directors or failures !!



:) Hoping that this will probably answer all your questions !! :P

Cygnuz-Y
02-27-2004, 02:45 PM
Yep, thats why most of the people dont like or dont even try to watch or understand The Matrix, is way too much info, that is what i like about it!!!!

unreal_dude
02-27-2004, 03:06 PM
I need more support from all you Matrix fans. Thanks for the reply Cygnuz. :D

mojo2185
02-27-2004, 04:01 PM
Well, I'll give the trilogy another look to see if I can pick up on some of those quotes mentioned. I'm still a little doubtful of the "upgrade cookie" and the "machines burst of energy to delete smith" though, due to a lack of evidence (in my opinion). But its still a decent explanation. Nice find unreal_dude, got me thinking a little.

uNz[i]
02-27-2004, 04:09 PM
Thanks for passing that on, unreal_dude.

It was interesting reading, and exposed a few of the links between the Animatrix episodes and the films that I'd previously missed.

bujub22
02-27-2004, 04:18 PM
i love the matrix :angry: forget who did'nt !

Legolas
02-27-2004, 10:16 PM
how could u say that the wac brothers are the best directors? I feel that Peter jackson is fair competition

mr. nails
02-27-2004, 11:30 PM
yeah, so, to much to read for me and yep, i 2 thought the matrix was another great action movie! then parts 2 and 3 came out and all they did was pretty much talk, talk, talk....boring!

Tetsujn
02-27-2004, 11:34 PM
u got this of matrixfans.net, no?

cpt_azad
02-28-2004, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by Legolas@27 February 2004 - 14:16
how could u say that the wac brothers are the best directors? I feel that Peter jackson is fair competition
well i say that mario puzzo is better :rolleyes: . seriously, peter is good, but not great (better then lucas, i'll grant you that), most of the LOTR movies were cgi, acting was okay, story was good. i give peter j props for his earlier movies, i don't consider LOTR series a "masterpiece", as for Matrix, it was great and had a good run. now, let's see who's gonna flame me for this post :(

unreal_dude
02-28-2004, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Legolas@27 February 2004 - 22:16
how could u say that the wac brothers are the best directors? I feel that Peter jackson is fair competition


thats my personal opinion dude. And opinions differ .......so for you it might be peter but for me it's the wac bros for the way they approach the audience .

unreal_dude
02-28-2004, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Tetsujn@27 February 2004 - 23:34
u got this of matrixfans.net, no?
i dont exactly remember the source of it. If i do i will post it asap.




yeah, so, to much to read for me and yep, i 2 thought the matrix was another great action movie! then parts 2 and 3 came out and all they did was pretty much talk, talk, talk....boring!

It's normal for nebdy 2 think that the matrix trilogy is an action ride but the tru fact is that it is more than that.

Also thanks for your replies uNz[i], bujub22, mojo2185 !!

unreal_dude
02-28-2004, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by cpt_azad+28 February 2004 - 05:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cpt_azad &#064; 28 February 2004 - 05:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Legolas@27 February 2004 - 14:16
how could u say that the wac brothers are the best directors? I feel that Peter jackson is fair competition
well i say that mario puzzo is better :rolleyes: . seriously, peter is good, but not great (better then lucas, i&#39;ll grant you that), most of the LOTR movies were cgi, acting was okay, story was good. i give peter j props for his earlier movies, i don&#39;t consider LOTR series a "masterpiece", as for Matrix, it was great and had a good run. now, let&#39;s see who&#39;s gonna flame me for this post :( [/b][/quote]
hey cpt azad, are u talking abt writing or directing ? Cuz Mario Puzo never directed, that is if you are talking abt the Godfather series. Francis Ford Copolla did. I don&#39;t remember Mario Puzo directing ne movie...&#33;&#33; Yeah peter is good but then he had a good story to boot. The LOTR series already had a good fan base. Also that doesnt mean he is a average director. But then like i said all of this differs frm person to person. :)

Randomblonde
02-28-2004, 06:53 AM
my brain hurts

4th gen
02-28-2004, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Randomblonde@28 February 2004 - 05:53
my brain hurts
No-one mention any blonde jokes, ok?

:rolleyes:

Randomblonde
02-28-2004, 07:14 AM
:cry1: :cry1: :cry1: :mad3: :mad3: :mad3:

unreal_dude
02-28-2004, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by 4th gen+28 February 2004 - 12:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 28 February 2004 - 12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Randomblonde@28 February 2004 - 05:53
my brain hurts
No-one mention any blonde jokes, ok?

:rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: LOL &#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol:

seiya_33
02-28-2004, 05:02 PM
the matrix trilogy is my fav , ever since i saw the first one it has kept my mind pretty busy , i guess well never get tha hang of it since eveyrbody has a difrent opinion to what really is the matrix and what happened.

evrytime i read the word arquitect i get this image of will ferrel in my head , now that was some funny stuff.

bkdvnyc
02-28-2004, 05:03 PM
some good readin..good shit unreal
since im a geek and already read up on the matrix i knew a lotta that but u just inspired me to watch all 3 movies again :P

3RA1N1AC
02-28-2004, 05:50 PM
a concise analysis of the matrix trilogy by Admiral Ackbar,
hero of another famous (but much more highly regarded) trilogy:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jun-2002/ackbar.jpg

vampiro
02-29-2004, 01:53 AM
nice experlation on th films :clap: :clap: :clap: :drool: :eek:

bootylicious
02-29-2004, 04:05 AM
This stuff is too deep for me but interesting never the less. Here is a site with it&#39;s own interpretation of the first movie. Check it out u&#39;ll&#33;&#33;

KNOW THE MATRIX (http://knowthematrix.com/) ;)

unreal_dude
02-29-2004, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by bootylicious@29 February 2004 - 09:35
This stuff is too deep for me but interesting never the less. Here is a site with it&#39;s own interpretation of the first movie. Check it out u&#39;ll&#33;&#33;

KNOW THE MATRIX (http://knowthematrix.com/) ;)
Thanks for the link bootylicious. Other members can also post their interpretations of the Matrix. All suggestions are welcome......except for flaming ones &#33;&#33; :lol:

unreal_dude
03-02-2004, 10:22 AM
Bringing it up for those who have missed it &#33;&#33;

;)

kalashnikov
03-02-2004, 01:10 PM
damn directors&#33; they took a simple concept and made it ass complicated as possible to make more money&#33;

Kayl
03-02-2004, 02:14 PM
Well there is one thing I don&#39;t agree with in that explanation. I don&#39;t think the machines deleted Smith because he completed his mission. It WAS his mission in the first movie but he failed and now he&#39;s unplugged, a new man, who should have been deleted but he became an exile. At the end they were able to delete him because they had a hardline connection to him through Neo. I might be wrong though but that the great part about it. B)

leeferdude
03-02-2004, 09:59 PM
That was a good read but I don&#39;t agree with a couple of things...particulary the cookie upgrade. As for my interpretation of the ending of Revolutions: In "Reloaded" the Oracle tells Neo that when programs face deletion they either go to the source to be recycled back into the matrix code, or go into exile. Smith went into exile but effectively "returned to the source" when he infected Neo, who was connected directly to the source, so, the Machine god could destroy the Smith Program...

Tetsujn
03-02-2004, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by kalashnikov@2 March 2004 - 13:10
damn directors&#33; they took a simple concept and made it ass complicated as possible to make more money&#33;
that has to be the most idiotic statement ive read so far during my time on this board.

unreal_dude
03-03-2004, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Tetsujn+3 March 2004 - 03:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn @ 3 March 2004 - 03:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kalashnikov@2 March 2004 - 13:10
damn directors&#33;&nbsp; they took a simple concept and made it ass complicated as possible to make more money&#33;
that has to be the most idiotic statement ive read so far during my time on this board. [/b][/quote]
I completely agree &#33;&#33; ;)

Although i m happy for the fact that this post helped ppl understand wotever little bit of this gr8 masterpiece &#33;&#33;

I m sure a few ppl will agree ..... ;)

Busyman
03-03-2004, 08:56 PM
I like the first one the best.
Other than that there were too many things full of holes.

I like when fans post explanations of bullshit. The writer probably didn&#39;t think of it but the fans sur as hell made something up to go with it. :lol: :lol:

Why were the squids in Revolutions just flying around in that bullshit pattern when there was only 1 robot (with the general inside) left? And the dork was able to just run outside

Why would the machines have to honor the truce?

Good action scenes but alot of bullshit that was hard to get pass.

Tetsujn
03-03-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Busyman@3 March 2004 - 20:56
I like the first one the best.
Other than that there were too many things full of holes.

I like when fans post explanations of bullshit. The writer probably didn&#39;t think of it but the fans sur as hell made something up to go with it. :lol: :lol:

Why were the squids in Revolutions just flying around in that bullshit pattern when there was only 1 robot (with the general inside) left? And the dork was able to just run outside

Why would the machines have to honor the truce?

Good action scenes but alot of bullshit that was hard to get pass.
1. First off im assuming u meant "dock". second they could not reach the control panel. why? well there were about a hundered mechs defending it and also it was slightly under the battle. once the machines noticed the mechs they started fighting them while the digging machines were trying to bore into the surface. by the coming of the second wave of sentinals (the ones which haulted due to the peace agreement) they had reached the core and were gonna destroy the main control panel and the inner city aswell. but u see how long it took them? the humans had a strong defence.

2.the architect said it best when he told the oracle he would keep his word because he is not human. the humans (or rather human, neo) stopped an even geater threat to their empire and they were greatful. notice the machine carrying Neo off in a messianic, honourable way.


there are plausible answers to everything. u just have to give it some thought.

Busyman
03-04-2004, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Tetsujn+3 March 2004 - 18:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn @ 3 March 2004 - 18:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@3 March 2004 - 20:56
I like the first one the best.
Other than that there were too many things full of holes.

I like when fans post explanations of bullshit. The writer probably didn&#39;t think of it but the fans sur as hell made something up to go with it. :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

Why were the squids in Revolutions just flying around in that bullshit pattern when there was only 1 robot (with the general inside) left? And the dork was able to just run outside

Why would the machines have to honor the truce?

Good action scenes but alot of bullshit that was hard to get pass.
1. First off im assuming u meant "dock". second they could not reach the control panel. why? well there were about a hundered mechs defending it and also it was slightly under the battle. once the machines noticed the mechs they started fighting them while the digging machines were trying to bore into the surface. by the coming of the second wave of sentinals (the ones which haulted due to the peace agreement) they had reached the core and were gonna destroy the main control panel and the inner city aswell. but u see how long it took them? the humans had a strong defence.

2.the architect said it best when he told the oracle he would keep his word because he is not human. the humans (or rather human, neo) stopped an even geater threat to their empire and they were greatful. notice the machine carrying Neo off in a messianic, honourable way.


there are plausible answers to everything. u just have to give it some thought. [/b][/quote]
Ohhh jeeeezzz&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Dude watch the movie again.

When all the mechs were down except the general, there WERE no more defenses. :lol: :lol: . The dead mech hadn&#39;t even put a dent in the squids numbers. It was made worse on the second breakthrough of the squids.

PUHLEAZE <_<

The dork was able to run out there and have fucking conversation while.........

100&#39;s of squids were flying around. Please oh please don&#39;t try to explain bullshit to me. I mean I know the Waks did it for dramatic effect but even when we were in the theater another movie goer yelled, "Why don&#39;t they kill him".

I&#39;ll buy the honorable bit with the machines but.......I&#39;m just saying that there was no reason to honor anything. They were at war.

You like the movie; leave it at that. The dock scene was bullshit; leave it at that.

Cygnuz-Y
03-04-2004, 01:19 AM
at some point you state that Neo is Wirelessly connected to the source thus making him able to stop the squid at the end of revolutions, i disagree with that, i think it requires some kind hardware to connect any device wirelessly whereas its a human or a machine, i would like to explain how he stopped that squid but i dont know, im a matrix fan myself and after some research i havent found out the reason...

How does Neo Maintain a link with Deus eX machina, making him able to apply commands to some hardware machinery connected to it, that is the question... :ph34r:

neevakee
03-04-2004, 04:33 AM
wow, just wow. That makes much more sence then my ideas, thanks.

unreal_dude
03-04-2004, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Busyman+4 March 2004 - 05:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 4 March 2004 - 05:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Tetsujn@3 March 2004 - 18:11
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@3 March 2004 - 20:56
I like the first one the best.
Other than that there were too many things full of holes.

I like when fans post explanations of bullshit. The writer probably didn&#39;t think of it but the fans sur as hell made something up to go with it. :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

Why were the squids in Revolutions just flying around in that bullshit pattern when there was only 1 robot (with the general inside) left? And the dork was able to just run outside

Why would the machines have to honor the truce?

Good action scenes but alot of bullshit that was hard to get pass.
1. First off im assuming u meant "dock". second they could not reach the control panel. why? well there were about a hundered mechs defending it and also it was slightly under the battle. once the machines noticed the mechs they started fighting them while the digging machines were trying to bore into the surface. by the coming of the second wave of sentinals (the ones which haulted due to the peace agreement) they had reached the core and were gonna destroy the main control panel and the inner city aswell. but u see how long it took them? the humans had a strong defence.

2.the architect said it best when he told the oracle he would keep his word because he is not human. the humans (or rather human, neo) stopped an even geater threat to their empire and they were greatful. notice the machine carrying Neo off in a messianic, honourable way.


there are plausible answers to everything. u just have to give it some thought.
Ohhh jeeeezzz&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Dude watch the movie again.

When all the mechs were down except the general, there WERE no more defenses. :lol: :lol: . The dead mech hadn&#39;t even put a dent in the squids numbers. It was made worse on the second breakthrough of the squids.

PUHLEAZE <_<

The dork was able to run out there and have fucking conversation while.........

100&#39;s of squids were flying around. Please oh please don&#39;t try to explain bullshit to me. I mean I know the Waks did it for dramatic effect but even when we were in the theater another movie goer yelled, "Why don&#39;t they kill him".

I&#39;ll buy the honorable bit with the machines but.......I&#39;m just saying that there was no reason to honor anything. They were at war.

You like the movie; leave it at that. The dock scene was bullshit; leave it at that. [/b][/quote]
Well Mr. Busyman if u had not been so busy and watched the movie carefully then u wud have realised that the sentinels (or those squids for u) cud only see machines ( that thing in gold code that neo starts seeing when he is blind) that is exactly y the dork cud run arnd without trouble. Only thing he had 2 worry was a dead sentinel falling on him lol. :D

Another eg of that gold code being machines is that after getting blind neo cud see smith( In banes form ) but dint see that trinity had got speared thru .....

I hope this explains ur dumb question &#33;&#33; i word of advice bustman y dont u jus enjoy the bigger picture and concentrate lesser on smaller things &#33;&#33; Unlike ne othe directors the wac bros tend to focus more on far more crucial things then on things like y did the dork escape the sentinels .....LOL

I m not flaming u .....but then ur style wasnt polite either &#33;&#33; :)

Busyman
03-04-2004, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by unreal_dude+4 March 2004 - 01:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unreal_dude @ 4 March 2004 - 01:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@4 March 2004 - 05:58

Originally posted by Tetsujn@3 March 2004 - 18:11
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@3 March 2004 - 20:56
I like the first one the best.
Other than that there were too many things full of holes.

I like when fans post explanations of bullshit. The writer probably didn&#39;t think of it but the fans sur as hell made something up to go with it. :lol: :lol:

Why were the squids in Revolutions just flying around in that bullshit pattern when there was only 1 robot (with the general inside) left? And the dork was able to just run outside

Why would the machines have to honor the truce?

Good action scenes but alot of bullshit that was hard to get pass.
1. First off im assuming u meant "dock". second they could not reach the control panel. why? well there were about a hundered mechs defending it and also it was slightly under the battle. once the machines noticed the mechs they started fighting them while the digging machines were trying to bore into the surface. by the coming of the second wave of sentinals (the ones which haulted due to the peace agreement) they had reached the core and were gonna destroy the main control panel and the inner city aswell. but u see how long it took them? the humans had a strong defence.

2.the architect said it best when he told the oracle he would keep his word because he is not human. the humans (or rather human, neo) stopped an even geater threat to their empire and they were greatful. notice the machine carrying Neo off in a messianic, honourable way.


there are plausible answers to everything. u just have to give it some thought.
Ohhh jeeeezzz&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Dude watch the movie again.

When all the mechs were down except the general, there WERE no more defenses. :lol: :lol: . The dead mech hadn&#39;t even put a dent in the squids numbers. It was made worse on the second breakthrough of the squids.

PUHLEAZE <_<

The dork was able to run out there and have fucking conversation while.........

100&#39;s of squids were flying around. Please oh please don&#39;t try to explain bullshit to me. I mean I know the Waks did it for dramatic effect but even when we were in the theater another movie goer yelled, "Why don&#39;t they kill him".

I&#39;ll buy the honorable bit with the machines but.......I&#39;m just saying that there was no reason to honor anything. They were at war.

You like the movie; leave it at that. The dock scene was bullshit; leave it at that.
Well Mr. Busyman if u had not been so busy and watched the movie carefully then u wud have realised that the sentinels (or those squids for u) cud only see machines ( that thing in gold code that neo starts seeing when he is blind) that is exactly y the dork cud run arnd without trouble. Only thing he had 2 worry was a dead sentinel falling on him lol. :D

Another eg of that gold code being machines is that after getting blind neo cud see smith( In banes form ) but dint see that trinity had got speared thru .....

I hope this explains ur dumb question &#33;&#33; i word of advice bustman y dont u jus enjoy the bigger picture and concentrate lesser on smaller things &#33;&#33; Unlike ne othe directors the wac bros tend to focus more on far more crucial things then on things like y did the dork escape the sentinels .....LOL

I m not flaming u .....but then ur style wasnt polite either &#33;&#33; :) [/b][/quote]
Hmm it seems because I don&#39;t agree with Tetsujin that you must jump in with a response to MY DUMB question.

Well Have I got an answer for your DUMBASS answer (since you want to go there).

So you are saying sentinels only kill machines? YOU go watch the movie again from part 1. :lol: :lol:

Sentinels............kill............humans..............

In the first Matrix after the sentinel broke through (near the end), it was going after humans.

You haven&#39;t explained why, if YOUR rationale is correct, that the sentinels didn&#39;t just go after the GENERAL, whom the dork was chit-chatting with. Wasn&#39;t the general IN a machine, the last one, that these squids supposedly only see? :lol: :lol:

If you are going to be loud and insulting at least be correct. :lol: :lol:

........but please explain more I&#39;m cracking up over here

Neo can whip everyone&#39;s ass but.....the bum at the train station?

Hmmm he can knock out sentinels in real world but he&#39;s powerless in the 3rd St tunnel. :lol: :lol:
........cause the bum created it?? Well shit Neo was kicking ass everywhere else he didn&#39;t create.

Aww shit I remember writing about this before

Matrix Revolutions..Now Read This Shit&#33;&#33;&#33; (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=81557&hl=matrix)

unreal_dude
03-04-2004, 09:29 AM
So you are saying sentinels only kill machines? YOU go watch the movie again from part 1.

Sentinels............kill............humans..............

In the first Matrix after the sentinel broke through (near the end), it was going after humans.

Did u see it killing the human. If the answer is no there is no point in arguing &#33;&#33; No where in matrix series a sentinel is shown killing a human&#33;


........but please explain more I&#39;m cracking up over here

Neo can whip everyone&#39;s ass but.....the bum at the train station?

Hmmm he can knock out sentinels in real world but he&#39;s powerless in the 3rd St tunnel.
........cause the bum created it?? Well shit Neo was kicking ass everywhere else he didn&#39;t create.

i knew u wud ask this stupid question &#33;&#33;

so here u go

Faq for Busyman :

What is the train station?
Ans: It is a strange construct stuck between the Matrix, the machine mainframe, and the real world. It&#39;s a way station used to ferry programs between The Matrix and the machine mainframes. Specifically, Neo&#39;s on Mobil Ave, Mobil being an anagram for Limbo. Effectively, he&#39;s stuck in limbo.

Why was he powerless there ?
Ans: He touched the Source and separated his mind from his body. His body&#39;s on the hovercraft, Hammer, and his mind is stuck in limbo.


Also read ,

The Trainman runs the trains that ferry programs through the station, but he&#39;s in the employee of The Merovingian - so, effectively, the Merovingian controls who can and can&#39;t move through the station.

Hope this answers ur questions &#33;&#33;

Or u got more &#33;

My dear y dont u just agree that u dint understand the movie ......

RGX
03-04-2004, 11:43 AM
Definatly some food for thought, thanks unreal, I love theories like this :)

unreal_dude
03-04-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by RGX@4 March 2004 - 17:13
Definatly some food for thought, thanks unreal, I love theories like this :)
Thanks man&#33;&#33; But unlike you there are ppl who still wont agree&#33;&#33;

;)

Wizard_Mon1
03-04-2004, 02:41 PM
What i don&#39;t like is the way they left the movies i mean they had 3 movies and at the end machines still hold all the power but there not going to use it. I personally liked the bit when they saw the real sky and i wanted them to be let out of there dirty cave in the ground (bunch of squatters) :lol: . Also could you explain the oracles part in the neo and Asmith fight. Also what was the point of that little girl. Also what was neo can u explain to me the architect scene in the second film. thanks.

unreal_dude
03-04-2004, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@4 March 2004 - 20:11
What i don&#39;t like is the way they left the movies i mean they had 3 movies and at the end machines still hold all the power but there not going to use it. I personally liked the bit when they saw the real sky and i wanted them to be let out of there dirty cave in the ground (bunch of squatters) :lol: . Also could you explain the oracles part in the neo and Asmith fight. Also what was the point of that little girl. Also what was neo can u explain to me the architect scene in the second film. thanks.
Your first and second question are answered in the explanation i posted. You will have to go thru the trouble of reading it. :)


Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."

Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder..."). This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.

And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.

The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo&#39;s mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo&#39;s choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program&#39;s main semaphore.)


This will answer your question abt the architect and the neo conversation &#33;&#33; B)

unreal_dude
03-04-2004, 03:26 PM
MY Mistake.............Edited &#33;&#33;

Busyman
03-04-2004, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@4 March 2004 - 11:26
one more piece of evidence to supplement the point that machines can see only machines is that when Thomas Anderson is freed there is a sentinel nearby ......
if the sentinel cud see like Mr. busyman points out it cud have easily killed Thomas Anderson.....

i think that will be enuf to supplement the fact that machines can only see machines &#33;&#33;

B)
You seem to have left out the fact that:

That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.

The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.

I can&#39;t remember which movie, maybe it was in Animatrix, but the sentinels jabbed humans through and through to kill them.
------
The sentinels were made to kill humans, not just hovercrafts.

Good lord your head is so far up the Matrix your common sense about the movie is gone.

unreal_dude
03-05-2004, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by Busyman@4 March 2004 - 23:54
You seem to have left out the fact that:

That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.

The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.

I can&#39;t remember which movie, maybe it was in Animatrix, but the sentinels jabbed humans through and through to kill them.
------
The sentinels were made to kill humans, not just hovercrafts.

Good lord your head is so far up the Matrix your common sense about the movie is gone.
Dude plz man plz read the explanation i posted ..........so u might figure out why the machines could see neo.

Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That&#39;s why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane&#39;s mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.

But the orange glow isn&#39;t the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He&#39;s a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.


So that might probably answer y .............i)That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.

ii)The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.

Plus one more thing ......... if u say that i m such a big fan of the matrix trilogy ............then u too probably are cuz otherwise u wudnt have bothered 2 post abt it.

Only thing is


I m also of the opinion that most ppl dint like the 2 and 3rd part cuz they simply perceived matrix as another action movie &#33;&#33;

Tetsujn
03-05-2004, 05:32 AM
busy man i gave off the wrong impression with my asnwer. i meant that the humans had previously had a strong defence. strong enough to hold off the mechs from entering the human populated zone of zion where all the controls were. but once the second wave of them had arrived the humans were only then about to be destroyed. so i agree their defence was poor but it still lasted for that first wave. which means that the machines could never staright up enter zion and destroy all the main systems and effectivly shut down the humans&#39; power. they had to bore through their defence and straight down to the bottom. which was not easy btw.

unreal_dude
03-06-2004, 12:41 PM
Bump......... :)

unreal_dude
03-08-2004, 09:49 AM
:huh: Just to make things a bit simple i m posting the Matrix revolutions and Matrix Reloaded transcript for all u fans &#33;&#33;

Read on then .........



Matrix Revolutions (http://www.zionmainframe.net/main/revolutions/archive/transcript.txt)

Matrix Reloaded (http://www.zionmainframe.net/main/reloaded/archive/transcript.txt)

B)

unreal_dude
03-08-2004, 09:59 AM
And here is Neo&#39;s little chat with the Architect in M2. This was a bit difficult 2 digest at first .......

So here goes &#33;&#33;

:: Transcript ::
The Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

The Architect: I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I&#39;ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

The Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo: You haven&#39;t answered my question.

The Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me&#33;"


The Architect: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I&#39;ve been lied too. This is bullshit."


Neo: here are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly&#39;s systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can&#39;t control me&#33; F*ck you&#33; I&#39;m going to kill you&#33; You can&#39;t make me do anything&#33;"


Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect&#39;s room


The Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

The Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion.

The Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit&#33;"


The Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.


The Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won&#39;t let it happen, you can&#39;t. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors


The Architect: It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo&#39;s dream appear on the monitors


Neo: Trinity.

The Architect: Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No&#33;

The Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you&#39;re going to do, don&#39;t we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

Neo walks to the door on his left


The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don&#39;t meet again.

The Architect: We won&#39;t

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The END
:)

RGX
03-08-2004, 12:35 PM
When watching the movie in the cinema I just about got a grip of the speech, and only just kept up but in writing it goes to many more levels, saved on my desktop, thanks and great job at maintaining your thread.

Nice to see someone post new information rather than multiple bumps. :)

vish_cometrue
03-09-2004, 07:36 AM
Thanks unreal dude. That matrix explanation posted by u made for great reading.
I have always loved the matrix movies and ur explanation helped to clear some of my own questions&#33;&#33;&#33;
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it&#33;&#33;&#33;
Long Live THE MATRIX TRILOGY&#33;&#33;

3RA1N1AC
03-09-2004, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@8 March 2004 - 23:36
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it&#33;&#33;&#33;
it&#39;s easy to dismiss criticism as whining, just because you don&#39;t agree with it. it&#39;s not a very healthy way of dealing with people, you know.

"well, i don&#39;t like ______, because of __________."
"whiner&#33;"

go around calling everybody a whiner in person just for disagreeing with you, and yer liable to get the taste slapped out of yer mouth.

Busyman
03-09-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+9 March 2004 - 07:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC &#064; 9 March 2004 - 07:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@8 March 2004 - 23:36
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it&#33;&#33;&#33;
it&#39;s easy to dismiss criticism as whining, just because you don&#39;t agree with it. it&#39;s not a very healthy way of dealing with people, you know.

"well, i don&#39;t like ______, because of __________."
"whiner&#33;"

go around calling everybody a whiner in person just for disagreeing with you, and yer liable to get the taste slapped out of yer mouth. [/b][/quote]
Isn&#39;t it interesting that us "whiners" never critisized those who like the movie. We just critisized the MOVIE.

You know you are true fanboy when..............

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I "understood" the Matrix trilogy when I first saw it and uh........still didn&#39;t like it (except the first one).

Again the fight scenes were great (except the pointless last one between Smith and Neo) but the movie was a silver wrapping with shit inside.

The first Matrix had some mystery behind it. When they explained it, it fucked it up.

This is not some made up bullshit to be on a bandwagon. What the hell for?
There are obviously many others on this "bandwagon" also.
Why?
THEY DIDN&#39;T LIKE THE MOVIE.

It seems the only posts allowed on here were ones kissing the ass of either the thread starter, the actual "explanation" post, the Matrix Trilogy, or the Wachowski&#39;s.

Now STFU and stop critisizing someone for critisizing the movie you made....oops I&#39;m sorry you didn&#39;t make shit.........besides a bullshit explanation.

unreal_dude
03-09-2004, 01:16 PM
It seems the only posts allowed on here were ones kissing the ass of either the thread starter, the actual "explanation" post, the Matrix Trilogy, or the Wachowski&#39;s.

so u wanna start all over again. Seems like your retarded brains do not seem 2 get it after all &#33;&#33; isn&#39;t it . Well y dont u guys stop behaving like a couples of retards &#33;&#33;
:lol:

unreal_dude
03-09-2004, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+9 March 2004 - 17:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 9 March 2004 - 17:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@8 March 2004 - 23:36
Let those who keep whining about the sequels not being as great as the original movie keep doing it&#33;&#33;&#33;
it&#39;s easy to dismiss criticism as whining, just because you don&#39;t agree with it. it&#39;s not a very healthy way of dealing with people, you know.

"well, i don&#39;t like ______, because of __________."
"whiner&#33;"

go around calling everybody a whiner in person just for disagreeing with you, and yer liable to get the taste slapped out of yer mouth. [/b][/quote]
Mr Brain wotever here seems to have a major crush on princess Leia and kinda seems stuck in a time warp &#33;&#33; yo dude u still stuck in the 80&#39;s. Or it seems that u keep comparing every damn movie u see with the star wars (including gigli).Dude these 2 mvies are quite different frm each other(LOL how many times have i got 2 tell these retards).

Fanboyism at its peak &#33;&#33; "Mommy Mommy isnt Star Wars like the greatest sci-fi flick ever " LOL

Get a life man&#33;&#33;&#33;

vish_cometrue
03-09-2004, 01:25 PM
3RA1N1AC, u are a great Star Wars fan, aren&#39;t u? But sadly u r still stuck in the 70s. Don&#39;t get started on reminding every1 that Star Wars is a legendary trilogy and all that. Every1 knows Star Wars Episodes 4, 5 and 6 are great cinema. But move on.......science fiction should change with time. Anyway Star Wars was more like a &#39;fantasy sci-fi&#39;. The Matrix movies are truly artistic, deeper and more thought-provoking sci-fi. Exactly the way it should be in the 21st century. Anyway we don&#39;t need concilation from a star wars lamer.
All that talk about Matrix being pointless..............atleast The Wachowskis thought of a brilliant trilogy and ended it right there. On the other hand, George Lucas continued the Star Wars series only to fill his pockets with more gold. And Episodes 1 and 2 are what u call a "shame to the original trilogy". Reloaded and Revolutions continue from where the original story left and take it to further heights.
The next time if there&#39;s nothing better u can think of atleast remember this......... criticism is different from whining and that it shows.

Busyman
03-09-2004, 03:32 PM
Hmmm
whining.

We were criticizing a movie.

You are criticizing us for not liking it.

That stinks of shit.


Originally posted by vish_cometrue
And Episodes 1 and 2 are what u call a "shame to the original trilogy".

Agreed ;) , am on a bandwagon now?
I like Star Wars but didn&#39;t like Ep. 1 and 2. Why can&#39;t I dislike and express my dislike for Reloaded and Revolutions?

Please STFU&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol:

Busyman
03-09-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by unreal_dude+5 March 2004 - 00:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unreal_dude @ 5 March 2004 - 00:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@4 March 2004 - 23:54
You seem to have left out the fact that:

That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.

The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.

I can&#39;t remember which movie, maybe it was in Animatrix, but the sentinels jabbed humans through and through to kill them.
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The sentinels were made to kill humans, not just hovercrafts.

Good lord your head is so far up the Matrix your common sense about the movie is gone.
Dude plz man plz read the explanation i posted ..........so u might figure out why the machines could see neo.

Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That&#39;s why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane&#39;s mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.

But the orange glow isn&#39;t the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He&#39;s a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.


So that might probably answer y .............i)That machine grabbed him around the neck and then had him flushed.

ii)The sentinels chased Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus after the Neb was destroyed.

Plus one more thing ......... if u say that i m such a big fan of the matrix trilogy ............then u too probably are cuz otherwise u wudnt have bothered 2 post abt it.

Only thing is


I m also of the opinion that most ppl dint like the 2 and 3rd part cuz they simply perceived matrix as another action movie &#33;&#33; [/b][/quote]
I am a fan of the Matrix....the original. Just like I&#39;m a fan of of the original Star Wars Trilogy.

The reason I say that some of that explanation doesn&#39;t make sense is because:

Your "orange glow" rationale doesn&#39;t hold water. There NOTHING in the film that suggests that squids couldn&#39;t see humans. When the machine flushed Neo that was clear common sense. IT WAS AUTOMATED FOR ANYONE THAT WAKES UP. DUH :blink: .

They didn&#39;t flush him because they saw a machine :blink: . How did the others such as Morpheus get rescued? I&#39;m sure when Morpheus rescued Neo after he awoke that rescued countless others the same way. Were they all machines? :lol: :lol:

I know you are fan of the movie and I won&#39;t knock that but I very easily shoot holes through all these explanations with common sense. The Wachowski&#39;s would probably look at these explanations with a :blink: .

One of the reasons this movie suffered is the same as Ep 1. Ep. 1 was encumbered with mumbo jumbo about the Trade Federation and votes of no confidence and blah, blah, blah. This does not make for good storytelling. The same goes for the Matrix. When I sat throught the Architect scene, I and almost the whole movie theater were <_< <_< <_< <_< . I actually yelled STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Good storytelling would have explained it through the movie as it progresses, not with a long drawn out bullshit explanation. There wasn&#39;t even any dramatic music; it wasn&#39;t a very dramatic scene. Where was the wow factor?

The movie had great fights, CGI, but watch a movie called Frailty. Hardly any special effects (or HYPE BTW) but good storytelling and easily a movie that was more memorable. ;)

[)arkredemption
03-09-2004, 06:26 PM
I have to agree that there is little reason why the sentinels would be unable to see humans, and little evidence for this in the trilogies. Besides points at which the machines chased people (which have already been mentioned), sentinels launched an attack on Zee and Charra when they were fighting against the drilling machines and succeed in killing Charra (if I remember correctly). Also, if I remember correctly sentinels killed numerous crew members in &#39;The Final Flight of the Osiris&#39;.

It should also be noted that many of these people would not have simply been identifiable due to the machiens they were carrying. If the sentinels can detect machines with which they can have no affiliation how would they do this...most likely visible light, thermal imaging, or something involving magnetism associated with electrical currents. Each of these three methods could also be used to detect humans anyway.

The &#39;orange glow&#39; vision I believe is not merely a way of seeing machines in general but intelligent machines and systems associated purely with the machines governed by Deus Ex Machina (essentially anything with some connection to the source). Note that when Neo was fighting Bane/Smith he could see Bane/Smith due to their connection through the source, but that he did not see the numerous electrical and mechanical systems which lined many walls of the ship and that would have continued within the walls of the ship.

I can however possibly make some other suggestions as to why they were not attacked at this point. Firstly, the machines may have been concentrating their efforts (and perhaps CPU power) on breaking through the obstructions left by the humans and finishing off any last resistance rather than killing two people who presented little or no threat to them (as I&#39;m sure individual sentinels appear to be of little value to the machines and at various points that APU was out of ammo, jammed, damaged or under the control of a newbie who didn&#39;t have a clue). There is of course the possibility (which I suspect is true in this case) of artistic license for a particular purpose, though I would certainly not simply write it off as a &#39;bullshit scene&#39;. I certainly would not begrudge the brothers for artistic licence and think that this triology has kept it to a bare minimum (as most things are explainable) whilst still being great.

I am a major fan of the trilogy and agree that the vast majority of things within the trilogy can be explained with some thought, and it is the sheer depth and complexity of the trilogy, connections running throughout it, messages, clever references to religion and internet culture, as well as opportunities for interpretation and of course the fantastic action sequences which have made this trilogy so successful. B)

Great guide btw unreal_dude :D . I found myself agreeing with nearly everything said within it as I have come to the same conclusions. There are a few exceptions to this however.

Firstly I&#39;m rather unsure of the whole upgrade cookie idea. I also think, as has already been suggested in this topic, that the destruction of Smith was more due to Neo providing a very direct connection to the system through which Smith&#39;s program could be channelled to return it to the source as it was no longer required than because of a burst of energy from the machines.

Great thread everyone, keep up the discussion. :)

Busyman
03-09-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by [)arkredemption@9 March 2004 - 14:26
I have to agree that there is little reason why the sentinels would be unable to see humans, and little evidence for this in the trilogies. Besides points at which the machines chased people (which have already been mentioned), sentinels launched an attack on Zee and Charra when they were fighting against the drilling machines and succeed in killing Charra (if I remember correctly). Also, if I remember correctly sentinels killed numerous crew members in &#39;The Final Flight of the Osiris&#39;.

It should also be noted that many of these people would not have simply been identifiable due to the machiens they were carrying. If the sentinels can detect machines with which they can have no affiliation how would they do this...most likely visible light, thermal imaging, or something involving magnetism associated with electrical currents. Each of these three methods could also be used to detect humans anyway.

The &#39;orange glow&#39; vision I believe is not merely a way of seeing machines in general but intelligent machines and systems associated purely with the machines governed by Deus Ex Machina (essentially anything with some connection to the source). Note that when Neo was fighting Bane/Smith he could see Bane/Smith due to their connection through the source, but that he did not see the numerous electrical and mechanical systems which lined many walls of the ship and that would have continued within the walls of the ship.

I can however possibly make some other suggestions as to why they were not attacked at this point. Firstly, the machines may have been concentrating their efforts (and perhaps CPU power) on breaking through the obstructions left by the humans and finishing off any last resistance rather than killing two people who presented little or no threat to them (as I&#39;m sure individual sentinels appear to be of little value to the machines and at various points that APU was out of ammo, jammed, damaged or under the control of a newbie who didn&#39;t have a clue). There is of course the possibility (which I suspect is true in this case) of artistic license for a particular purpose, though I would certainly not simply write it off as a &#39;bullshit scene&#39;. I certainly would not begrudge the brothers for artistic licence and think that this triology has kept it to a bare minimum (as most things are explainable) whilst still being great.

I am a major fan of the trilogy and agree that the vast majority of things within the trilogy can be explained with some thought, and it is the sheer depth and complexity of the trilogy, connections running throughout it, messages, clever references to religion and internet culture, as well as opportunities for interpretation and of course the fantastic action sequences which have made this trilogy so successful. B)

Great guide btw unreal_dude :D . I found myself agreeing with nearly everything said within it as I have come to the same conclusions. There are a few exceptions to this however.

Firstly I&#39;m rather unsure of the whole upgrade cookie idea. I also think, as has already been suggested in this topic, that the destruction of Smith was more due to Neo providing a very direct connection to the system through which Smith&#39;s program could be channelled to return it to the source as it was no longer required than because of a burst of energy from the machines.

Great thread everyone, keep up the discussion. :)
I did enjoy The Matrix for some of the same reasons: references to internet culture and the fight scenes. The next two movies pretty much muddied that to an extent.

To make the movie more thought provoking it seems the filmmakers made it somewhat nonsensical.

I find myself watching the fight scenes in Reloaded and then turning it off. Movies like Star Wars are just the opposite. I&#39;m pretty interested through and through and that makes them great. The story is engrossing, the action is fantastic and with a decent blend of "fun".

In the dock scene, it could be said that the General was not a threat but the sentinels were still flying in a bullshit pattern. With the purpose of wiping out the humans and digging underground, this made no sense. It had to be artistic license.

Great post btw.

3RA1N1AC
03-10-2004, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@9 March 2004 - 05:25
But move on.......science fiction should change with time. Anyway Star Wars was more like a &#39;fantasy sci-fi&#39;. The Matrix movies are truly artistic, deeper and more thought-provoking sci-fi. Exactly the way it should be in the 21st century. Anyway we don&#39;t need concilation from a star wars lamer.
actually, no. star wars isn&#39;t my favorite sci-fi. i&#39;d put blade runner, total recall, videodrome, brazil, a clockwork orange, alien, and quite a few others higher up on my list of favorites just because they mean more to me personally. i thought it would be pretentious to try to browbeat fanz with a list of superior films, just to show off, so i didn&#39;t.

it isn&#39;t my fault that the matrix trilogy is a shoddy pastiche of a lot of other movies, including some of the ones i listed (them, and TRON), the elements don&#39;t hang well together, and the only new twist they added was... trenchcoats? no, wait, deckard wore a trenchcoat in blade runner. "omg, neo is the messiah. that is so deep." throw him on the junk pile with all the other sci-fi messiahs from the past century... it&#39;s an old-fashioned sci-fi gimmick, and he&#39;s a one-dimensional character. it isn&#39;t about old vs new, &#39;cause there&#39;s nothing new to speak of in the matrix trilogy aside from the special effects. philip k dick&#39;s major writing was done in the 50s & 60s, the better sci-fi movies of the past twenty years have either adapted from him directly or borrowed heavily... and the rest comes from traditional myths, religion, and groundwork laid by cliffhanger serials, swashbucklers, cowboy movies, etc. all sci-fi is derivative, but what makes the matrix trilogy so special is that it cribs such an extensive list of notes and references, and doesn&#39;t put them to use. it promises so much in the way of plot, and delivers so little. the dialogue is just there to add a sense of importance and intellectual weight to the procession, and to kill time between fights... that&#39;s not just a problem with the matrix trilogy, it&#39;s a problem with hollywood in the 21st century. hollywood is continually losing its ability to tell a coherent story-- the matrix trilogy just happens to be the main offender in the style-over-substance category.

go ahead, accuse me or anyone else who disagrees with you, of being a whiner. i guess you&#39;ve got the freedom to do so. but don&#39;t be surprised when people stoop to your level and point out that you&#39;re just in denial and you&#39;re lashing out with personal insults because you feel so rabidly protective of the overhyped little-engine-that-couldn&#39;t.

know what&#39;s a good sci-fi movie? that bill murray one... groundhog day. seriously.

seiya_33
03-10-2004, 12:51 AM
come on man this is getting kinda childish , everybody knows that you hate the matrix , that you think its a crappy movie , which i personally think is a really great movie , but come on let us be , dont you think its already a bit to much , why dont you go look for people who like elves , hobbits , vampires , terminators , and start dissing their movie preferences , give us a break.




disclaimer - i didnt post this to start a war , think of it what you want , and reply
what you want.

3RA1N1AC
03-10-2004, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by seiya_33@9 March 2004 - 16:51
come on man this is getting kinda childish , everybody knows that you hate the matrix , that you think its a crappy movie , which i personally think is a really great movie , but come on let us be , dont you think its already a bit to much , why dont you go look for people who like elves , hobbits , vampires , terminators , and start dissing their movie preferences , give us a break.
previous to being personally insulted, i posted twice in this thread. the first one was a joke post, boiling the plot down to "it&#39;s a trap&#33;" the second one suggested to vish_cometrue that calling people whiners is beyond the limits of friendly discussion. those added up to little more than a few sentences, out of several pages.

my third post was in response to people suggesting i&#39;m a braindead fanboy with no sense of what good sci-fi is, who jerks off to pictures of princess leia and can&#39;t understand the completely original, barnstorming genius that is the wachowski brothers who are only in it for the luv of Art with a capital A, and not for &#036;&#036;&#036;money&#036;&#036;&#036; with dollar signs around it. *ahem* action figures *ahem* enter the matrix *ahem* direct-to-home-video releases like revisited and animatrix *ahem* bling bling.

unreal_dude and vish_cometrue invited a debate by insulting me. otherwise, i&#39;ve kept my criticism over at busyman&#39;s thread, which was intended for criticism. :lol:

seiya_33
03-10-2004, 01:23 AM
i really dont think my last post insulted you , it wasnt my intention , but just ignore the crap you get from the matrix buffs , and as for that thread i think i posted once in it but now i stay away from it .

unreal_dude
03-10-2004, 04:59 AM
unreal_dude and vish_cometrue invited a debate by insulting me. otherwise, i&#39;ve kept my criticism over at busyman&#39;s thread, which was intended for criticism.&nbsp;


Woo man &#33;&#33; Hold on your horse for a sec &#33;&#33; When did i insult you or nebdy for ne reason &#33;&#33; All through out the thread i have been polite 2 every1 including &#33;&#33;

But u know wot any fan will not take such baseless things against his/her movie &#33;&#33;

i hope u ppl understand. It&#39;s all part of human behaviour &#33;&#33;

PEACE &#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

unreal_dude
03-10-2004, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by [)arkredemption@9 March 2004 - 23:56
I have to agree that there is little reason why the sentinels would be unable to see humans, and little evidence for this in the trilogies. Besides points at which the machines chased people (which have already been mentioned), sentinels launched an attack on Zee and Charra when they were fighting against the drilling machines and succeed in killing Charra (if I remember correctly). Also, if I remember correctly sentinels killed numerous crew members in &#39;The Final Flight of the Osiris&#39;.

It should also be noted that many of these people would not have simply been identifiable due to the machiens they were carrying. If the sentinels can detect machines with which they can have no affiliation how would they do this...most likely visible light, thermal imaging, or something involving magnetism associated with electrical currents. Each of these three methods could also be used to detect humans anyway.

The &#39;orange glow&#39; vision I believe is not merely a way of seeing machines in general but intelligent machines and systems associated purely with the machines governed by Deus Ex Machina (essentially anything with some connection to the source). Note that when Neo was fighting Bane/Smith he could see Bane/Smith due to their connection through the source, but that he did not see the numerous electrical and mechanical systems which lined many walls of the ship and that would have continued within the walls of the ship.

I can however possibly make some other suggestions as to why they were not attacked at this point. Firstly, the machines may have been concentrating their efforts (and perhaps CPU power) on breaking through the obstructions left by the humans and finishing off any last resistance rather than killing two people who presented little or no threat to them (as I&#39;m sure individual sentinels appear to be of little value to the machines and at various points that APU was out of ammo, jammed, damaged or under the control of a newbie who didn&#39;t have a clue). There is of course the possibility (which I suspect is true in this case) of artistic license for a particular purpose, though I would certainly not simply write it off as a &#39;bullshit scene&#39;. I certainly would not begrudge the brothers for artistic licence and think that this triology has kept it to a bare minimum (as most things are explainable) whilst still being great.

I am a major fan of the trilogy and agree that the vast majority of things within the trilogy can be explained with some thought, and it is the sheer depth and complexity of the trilogy, connections running throughout it, messages, clever references to religion and internet culture, as well as opportunities for interpretation and of course the fantastic action sequences which have made this trilogy so successful. B)

Great guide btw unreal_dude :D . I found myself agreeing with nearly everything said within it as I have come to the same conclusions. There are a few exceptions to this however.

Firstly I&#39;m rather unsure of the whole upgrade cookie idea. I also think, as has already been suggested in this topic, that the destruction of Smith was more due to Neo providing a very direct connection to the system through which Smith&#39;s program could be channelled to return it to the source as it was no longer required than because of a burst of energy from the machines.

Great thread everyone, keep up the discussion. :)
Nice post [)arkredemption. Thanks for the encouragement &#33;&#33;&#33;

B)

3RA1N1AC
03-10-2004, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@9 March 2004 - 20:59
Woo man &#33;&#33; Hold on your horse for a sec &#33;&#33; When did i insult you or nebdy for ne reason &#33;&#33; All through out the thread i have been polite 2 every1 including &#33;&#33;
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...45&#entry916170 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=102177&st=45&#entry916170)

let&#39;s see. "retards." "get a life." "stuck in the 80&#39;s." "fanboy." "mommy mommy." etcetera etcetera. i&#39;d say that whole post is pretty insulting. it&#39;s not that important to me, whether somebody on the internet has bad manners. but hopefully this response will help you to identify a problem that you have (making ad hominem attacks and then denying it) and do something about it.

and it isn&#39;t your movie. it&#39;s the wachowski bros&#39; and warner bros&#39; movie. you&#39;re just some guy who watched it.

Manny Roscoe
03-10-2004, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+10 March 2004 - 01:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 10 March 2004 - 01:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@9 March 2004 - 20:59
Woo man &#33;&#33; Hold on your horse for a sec &#33;&#33; When did i insult you or nebdy for ne reason &#33;&#33; All through out the thread i have been polite 2 every1 including &#33;&#33;
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...45&#entry916170 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=102177&st=45&#entry916170)

let&#39;s see. "retards." "get a life." "stuck in the 80&#39;s." "fanboy." "mommy mommy." etcetera etcetera. i&#39;d say that whole post is pretty insulting. it&#39;s not that important to me, whether somebody on the internet has bad manners. but hopefully this response will help you to identify a problem that you have (making ad hominem attacks and then denying it) and do something about it.

and it isn&#39;t your movie. it&#39;s the wachowski bros&#39; and warner bros&#39; movie. you&#39;re just some guy who watched it. [/b][/quote]
Preach. :ph34r:

Busyman
03-10-2004, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+10 March 2004 - 01:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 10 March 2004 - 01:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@9 March 2004 - 20:59
Woo man &#33;&#33; Hold on your horse for a sec &#33;&#33; When did i insult you or nebdy for ne reason &#33;&#33; All through out the thread i have been polite 2 every1 including &#33;&#33;
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...45&#entry916170 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=102177&st=45&#entry916170)

let&#39;s see. "retards." "get a life." "stuck in the 80&#39;s." "fanboy." "mommy mommy." etcetera etcetera. i&#39;d say that whole post is pretty insulting. it&#39;s not that important to me, whether somebody on the internet has bad manners. but hopefully this response will help you to identify a problem that you have (making ad hominem attacks and then denying it) and do something about it.

and it isn&#39;t your movie. it&#39;s the wachowski bros&#39; and warner bros&#39; movie. you&#39;re just some guy who watched it. [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Stop it&#33;&#33;&#33; You are making unreal&#39;s stock in Warner go down&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: <_<

vish_cometrue
03-10-2004, 05:26 AM
My intention was not to insult anyone. If anyone takes my statements to be an insult, I can&#39;t help it&#33;&#33;&#33; But I can&#39;t help it either when people keep insulting The Matrix movies.

By the way I&#39;m also tired of people claiming that they are a big fan of the first movie. Being a fan of the Matrix itself means that being a fan of the trilogy. When u read an intersting book, u don&#39;t say I liked only the first few pages. U tend to move on with the story. The first movie was incomplete and didn&#39;t have a conclusion. It&#39;s necessary to comprehend and understand all three movies to complete the MATRIX EXPERIENCE.

unreal_dude
03-10-2004, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by Busyman+10 March 2004 - 10:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 10 March 2004 - 10:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@10 March 2004 - 01:17
<!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@9 March 2004 - 20:59
Woo man &#33;&#33; Hold on your horse for a sec &#33;&#33; When did i insult you or nebdy for ne reason &#33;&#33; All through out the thread i have been polite 2 every1 including &#33;&#33;
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...45&#entry916170 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=102177&st=45&#entry916170)

let&#39;s see. "retards." "get a life." "stuck in the 80&#39;s." "fanboy." "mommy mommy." etcetera etcetera. i&#39;d say that whole post is pretty insulting. it&#39;s not that important to me, whether somebody on the internet has bad manners. but hopefully this response will help you to identify a problem that you have (making ad hominem attacks and then denying it) and do something about it.

and it isn&#39;t your movie. it&#39;s the wachowski bros&#39; and warner bros&#39; movie. you&#39;re just some guy who watched it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Stop it&#33;&#33;&#33; You are making unreal&#39;s stock in Warner go down&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: <_< [/b][/quote]
LOL yeah man &#33;&#33; Like i own half the studio &#33;&#33; And din&#39;t u know the wac bros pay me for posting in their favor &#33;

:D

3RA1N1AC
03-10-2004, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@9 March 2004 - 21:27
LOL yeah man &#33;&#33; Like i own half the studio &#33;&#33; And din&#39;t u know the wac bros pay me for posting in their favor &#33;
probably. why else would you be yelling "fanboy" at people, saying they&#39;re not allowed to have negative opinions about "your" movie, and insulting people in one thread about things they said in a different thread? matrix trilogy damage-control street-team&#33;

unreal_dude
03-10-2004, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+10 March 2004 - 11:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 10 March 2004 - 11:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@9 March 2004 - 21:27
LOL yeah man &#33;&#33; Like i own half the studio &#33;&#33; And din&#39;t u know the wac bros pay me for posting in their favor &#33;
probably. why else would you be yelling "fanboy" at people, saying they&#39;re not allowed to have negative opinions about "your" movie, and insulting people in one thread about things they said in a different thread? matrix trilogy damage-control street-team&#33; [/b][/quote]
Long Live the Matrix Trilogy and Long Live the Wachowski Bros..

(LOL &#33;&#33; now wot amount was i promised by the bros if i said this in the forum....
Ahh&#33;&#33; now i remember i think it was a kool 10000000000000 &#036;&#036; )

:lol: :D :lol:

marshall
03-10-2004, 06:34 AM
Nice Explanation there unreal_dude1, your explanation answered a lot of questions that have risen so far in my mind

i can&#39;t think of a better explanation of "The Matrix Triology"


Keep up the good work :)

unreal_dude
03-10-2004, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by marshall@10 March 2004 - 12:04
Nice Explanation there unreal_dude1, your explanation answered a lot of questions that have risen so far in my mind

i can&#39;t think of a better explanation of "The Matrix Triology"


Keep up the good work :)
Thanks m8...........more words of appreciation.............thanks ......vry much &#33;&#33;

:lol:

Busyman
03-10-2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@10 March 2004 - 01:26
My intention was not to insult anyone. If anyone takes my statements to be an insult, I can&#39;t help it&#33;&#33;&#33; But I can&#39;t help it either when people keep insulting The Matrix movies.

By the way I&#39;m also tired of people claiming that they are a big fan of the first movie. Being a fan of the Matrix itself means that being a fan of the trilogy. When u read an intersting book, u don&#39;t say I liked only the first few pages. U tend to move on with the story. The first movie was incomplete and didn&#39;t have a conclusion. It&#39;s necessary to comprehend and understand all three movies to complete the MATRIX EXPERIENCE.
What are you dense?
You can&#39;t help it?
Get a fucking grip&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Lighten up like unreal dude.

Plus there is large number that don&#39;t like all of any set of films.

I like Godfather 1 and 2 but not really 3
I like Terminator 1 and 2 but really 3
I like Alien ans Aliens but not really 3 and Resurrection
I like Predator but not really 2
I like Star Wars original trilogy but not really Ep 1 and 2.

You can help being an ass. Just go make some friends or do something with your life besides slapping the Wachowski&#39;s balls.

And wash the sticky off your Matrix discs&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

vish_cometrue
03-12-2004, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Busyman+10 March 2004 - 13:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman &#064; 10 March 2004 - 13:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@10 March 2004 - 01:26
My intention was not to insult anyone. If anyone takes my statements to be an insult, I can&#39;t help it&#33;&#33;&#33; But I can&#39;t help it either when people keep insulting The Matrix movies.

By the way I&#39;m also tired of people claiming that they are a big fan of the first movie. Being a fan of the Matrix itself means that being a fan of the trilogy. When u read an intersting book, u don&#39;t say I liked only the first few pages. U tend to move on with the story. The first movie was incomplete and didn&#39;t have a conclusion. It&#39;s necessary to comprehend and understand all three movies to complete the MATRIX EXPERIENCE.
What are you dense?
You can&#39;t help it?
Get a fucking grip&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Lighten up like unreal dude.

Plus there is large number that don&#39;t like all of any set of films.

I like Godfather 1 and 2 but not really 3
I like Terminator 1 and 2 but really 3
I like Alien ans Aliens but not really 3 and Resurrection
I like Predator but not really 2
I like Star Wars original trilogy but not really Ep 1 and 2.

You can help being an ass. Just go make some friends or do something with your life besides slapping the Wachowski&#39;s balls.

And wash the sticky off your Matrix discs&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;[/b][/quote]
I think u r more in need of making friends&#33;&#33;&#33; The way u behave and crib.........I know u r damn frustrated. But still try to remind urself that u r in a global forum.

By the way, the movies u mentioned like The Godfather 1 and 2, and the original Star Wars trilogy were a part of the bigger picture and like "one big picture". The Matrix trilogy is also the same way......all three Matrix movies are like "one big picture". Even practically the Wachowskis were supposed to make Reloaded and Revolutions in one film. But then they split it into 2. Thats why at the end of Reloaded, &#39;To be continued&#39; was mentioned.

Obviously u won&#39;t like Terminator 3 and Star Wars Ep.1 and 2 because they were more an effort to make money rather than complete story-telling.

Busyman
03-12-2004, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue+12 March 2004 - 00:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vish_cometrue @ 12 March 2004 - 00:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@10 March 2004 - 13:03
<!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@10 March 2004 - 01:26
My intention was not to insult anyone. If anyone takes my statements to be an insult, I can&#39;t help it&#33;&#33;&#33; But I can&#39;t help it either when people keep insulting The Matrix movies.

By the way I&#39;m also tired of people claiming that they are a big fan of the first movie. Being a fan of the Matrix itself means that being a fan of the trilogy. When u read an intersting book, u don&#39;t say I liked only the first few pages. U tend to move on with the story. The first movie was incomplete and didn&#39;t have a conclusion. It&#39;s necessary to comprehend and understand all three movies to complete the MATRIX EXPERIENCE.
What are you dense?
You can&#39;t help it?
Get a fucking grip&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Lighten up like unreal dude.

Plus there is large number that don&#39;t like all of any set of films.

I like Godfather 1 and 2 but not really 3
I like Terminator 1 and 2 but really 3
I like Alien ans Aliens but not really 3 and Resurrection
I like Predator but not really 2
I like Star Wars original trilogy but not really Ep 1 and 2.

You can help being an ass. Just go make some friends or do something with your life besides slapping the Wachowski&#39;s balls.

And wash the sticky off your Matrix discs&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
I think u r more in need of making friends&#33;&#33;&#33; The way u behave and crib.........I know u r damn frustrated. But still try to remind urself that u r in a global forum.

By the way, the movies u mentioned like The Godfather 1 and 2, and the original Star Wars trilogy were a part of the bigger picture and like "one big picture". The Matrix trilogy is also the same way......all three Matrix movies are like "one big picture". Even practically the Wachowskis were supposed to make Reloaded and Revolutions in one film. But then they split it into 2. Thats why at the end of Reloaded, &#39;To be continued&#39; was mentioned.

Obviously u won&#39;t like Terminator 3 and Star Wars Ep.1 and 2 because they were more an effort to make money rather than complete story-telling. [/b][/quote]
So I guess I just have to like Kill Bill Vol. 2 because I liked Vol. 1. <_< <_< :lol:

Just STFU, you sound like an ignoramus.

Cygnuz-Y
03-12-2004, 05:36 AM
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you... :01: :music1:

Busyman
03-12-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Cygnuz&#045;Y@12 March 2004 - 01:36
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you... :01: :music1:
Wow it seems like a complaint when it does not agree with your views.

You&#39;ve got a moron telling me that I MUST like the sequels because I liked the original.

10 year olds aren&#39;t the only one&#39;s that say STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;

Keep in mind this started when I said that I DIDN&#39;T like Revolutions and folks on here can&#39;t take an opinion. <_<

Smith
03-12-2004, 08:30 PM
the only one i really enjoyed was the first. probally cause their was alot of gun fights. in the last 2 neo didnt need guns so it wasnt as cool.

i liked the first 2 but the last 1 blowed.

why the fuck were neo and agent smith flying and fighting? that was just gay.

Busyman
03-12-2004, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by TheCanuk@12 March 2004 - 16:30
the only one i really enjoyed was the first. probally cause their was alot of gun fights. in the last 2 neo didnt need guns so it wasnt as cool.

i liked the first 2 but the last 1 blowed.

why the fuck were neo and agent smith flying and fighting? that was just gay.
Ohhhhhhhh but nnnnnooooooooooo

You must like the last one. How can you like only the first 2?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

marshall
03-14-2004, 10:14 AM
hey unreal_dude1 your Matrix Triology Explained a lot of unanswered questions
but Questions seem to be rising

in reloaded what was the significance of the candy that was given by the oracle to Neo

does it have any connection with the failure of Smith overwriting Neo just after that sequence

unreal_dude
03-14-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by TheCanuk@13 March 2004 - 02:00
the only one i really enjoyed was the first. probally cause their was alot of gun fights. in the last 2 neo didnt need guns so it wasnt as cool.

i liked the first 2 but the last 1 blowed.

why the fuck were neo and agent smith flying and fighting? that was just gay.
Well many ppl have asked this

- why were neo and agent smith flying and fighting?

Now if ppl would have been shown two powerful ppl like smith and neo fighting like jackie chan or some bloke from a martial arts movie it wudnt have done justice to the fans .......this is the practical point of view

Then ,
Neo & smith flying & fighting were represenations of two very powerful inviduals fighting for everything. Both of them have become very powerful ......therefore the over the top style of this fight is appropriate. Also the audience can relate to fights much better this way than seeing 1&#39;s and 0&#39;s gettin better of each other &#33;&#33;

B) hope that probably answers your questions &#33;&#33;

Busyman
03-15-2004, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by unreal_dude+14 March 2004 - 07:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unreal_dude &#064; 14 March 2004 - 07:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheCanuk@13 March 2004 - 02:00
the only one i really enjoyed was the first. probally cause their was alot of gun fights. in the last 2 neo didnt need guns so it wasnt as cool.

i liked the first 2 but the last 1 blowed.

why the fuck were neo and agent smith flying and fighting? that was just gay.
Well many ppl have asked this

- why were neo and agent smith flying and fighting?

Now if ppl would have been shown two powerful ppl like smith and neo fighting like jackie chan or some bloke from a martial arts movie it wudnt have done justice to the fans .......this is the practical point of view

Then ,
Neo & smith flying & fighting were represenations of two very powerful inviduals fighting for everything. Both of them have become very powerful ......therefore the over the top style of this fight is appropriate. Also the audience can relate to fights much better this way than seeing 1&#39;s and 0&#39;s gettin better of each other &#33;&#33;

B) hope that probably answers your questions &#33;&#33; [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:


The last fight reminded me of the last fight between Jason and Freddy.

marshall
03-15-2004, 06:19 AM
lol Freddy Vs Jason was worst movie i have ever seen

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

vish_cometrue
03-15-2004, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by Busyman+12 March 2004 - 18:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 12 March 2004 - 18:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cygnuz&#045;Y@12 March 2004 - 01:36
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you...&nbsp; :01:&nbsp; :music1:
Wow it seems like a complaint when it does not agree with your views.

You&#39;ve got a moron telling me that I MUST like the sequels because I liked the original.

10 year olds aren&#39;t the only one&#39;s that say STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;

Keep in mind this started when I said that I DIDN&#39;T like Revolutions and folks on here can&#39;t take an opinion. <_< [/b][/quote]
Oh&#33;&#33;&#33; Folks here can&#39;t take an opinion, really? All this started only when u tried to force ur so-called "opinions" down our throats.

I would like to remind u that this is a discussion regarding "The Matrix trilogy explained" which started with the originator posting an excellent explanation. So this is a discussion for all people having their doubts and questions on the matrix trilogy. While most people have stated their doubts and some have helped to clear them, some people here like the "respected" Mr. Busyman have done nothing but iterated the same thing over and over again. As far as I can remember, u have done nothing but wasted others&#39; time asking stupid questions. And u accuse us of not being able to take an opinion. How the hell can u accuse others when u urself r so rigid? I told u several times there&#39;s no difference between liking the first Matrix movie and liking Reloaded and Revolutions. But u r still stuck on the same point&#33;&#33;&#33;

Funny how people call others "morons" when they themselves behave like "RETARDS".

Busyman
03-15-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue+15 March 2004 - 02:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vish_cometrue @ 15 March 2004 - 02:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@12 March 2004 - 18:40
<!--QuoteBegin-Cygnuz&#045;Y@12 March 2004 - 01:36
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you... :01: :music1:
Wow it seems like a complaint when it does not agree with your views.

You&#39;ve got a moron telling me that I MUST like the sequels because I liked the original.

10 year olds aren&#39;t the only one&#39;s that say STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;

Keep in mind this started when I said that I DIDN&#39;T like Revolutions and folks on here can&#39;t take an opinion. <_<
Oh&#33;&#33;&#33; Folks here can&#39;t take an opinion, really? All this started only when u tried to force ur so-called "opinions" down our throats.

I would like to remind u that this is a discussion regarding "The Matrix trilogy explained" which started with the originator posting an excellent explanation. So this is a discussion for all people having their doubts and questions on the matrix trilogy. While most people have stated their doubts and some have helped to clear them, some people here like the "respected" Mr. Busyman have done nothing but iterated the same thing over and over again. As far as I can remember, u have done nothing but wasted others&#39; time asking stupid questions. And u accuse us of not being able to take an opinion. How the hell can u accuse others when u urself r so rigid? I told u several times there&#39;s no difference between liking the first Matrix movie and liking Reloaded and Revolutions. But u r still stuck on the same point&#33;&#33;&#33;

Funny how people call others "morons" when they themselves behave like "RETARDS". [/b][/quote]
Notice that I have never attacked anyone for liking the Matrix trilogy.
You like what you like.

So whatever you are on about respecting opinions, keep in mind there is a difference between liking all the movies and liking some of them.

I think the movies got progressively worse.
So what, you&#39;re going tell me I CAN&#39;T like the first one ONLY.

Even some of your fellow fans would think you sound stupid AFTER they get past the fact I especially didn&#39;t like some of your precious movies.

It also seems that my questions are stupid when they don&#39;t go along with more of your Matrix ball buffing.

Someone posts an explanation as to why the squids don&#39;t just kill THE LAST REMAINING defender at the docks and ........it holds no water. So if I reiterated a point, I&#39;m just looking for an explanation that actually makes sense from you or anyone.

As far as an excellent explanation by the original poster, that&#39;s your opinion. I think it wasn&#39;t good at all. It&#39;s like explaining why they wore black leather long coats to fight in. Some of it is just artistic expression.

marshall
03-15-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Busyman+15 March 2004 - 14:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman &#064; 15 March 2004 - 14:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@15 March 2004 - 02:21

Originally posted by Busyman@12 March 2004 - 18:40
<!--QuoteBegin-Cygnuz&#045;Y@12 March 2004 - 01:36
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you... :01: :music1:
Wow it seems like a complaint when it does not agree with your views.

You&#39;ve got a moron telling me that I MUST like the sequels because I liked the original.

10 year olds aren&#39;t the only one&#39;s that say STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;

Keep in mind this started when I said that I DIDN&#39;T like Revolutions and folks on here can&#39;t take an opinion. <_<
Oh&#33;&#33;&#33; Folks here can&#39;t take an opinion, really? All this started only when u tried to force ur so-called "opinions" down our throats.

I would like to remind u that this is a discussion regarding "The Matrix trilogy explained" which started with the originator posting an excellent explanation. So this is a discussion for all people having their doubts and questions on the matrix trilogy. While most people have stated their doubts and some have helped to clear them, some people here like the "respected" Mr. Busyman have done nothing but iterated the same thing over and over again. As far as I can remember, u have done nothing but wasted others&#39; time asking stupid questions. And u accuse us of not being able to take an opinion. How the hell can u accuse others when u urself r so rigid? I told u several times there&#39;s no difference between liking the first Matrix movie and liking Reloaded and Revolutions. But u r still stuck on the same point&#33;&#33;&#33;

Funny how people call others "morons" when they themselves behave like "RETARDS".
Notice that I have never attacked anyone for liking the Matrix trilogy.
You like what you like.

So whatever you are on about respecting opinions, keep in mind there is a difference between liking all the movies and liking some of them.

I think the movies got progressively worse.
So what, you&#39;re going tell me I CAN&#39;T like the first one ONLY.

Even some of your fellow fans would think you sound stupid AFTER they get past the fact I especially didn&#39;t like some of your precious movies.

It also seems that my questions are stupid when they don&#39;t go along with more of your Matrix ball buffing.

Someone posts an explanation as to why the squids don&#39;t just kill THE LAST REMAINING defender at the docks and ........it holds no water. So if I reiterated a point, I&#39;m just looking for an explanation that actually makes sense from you or anyone.

As far as an excellent explanation by the original poster, that&#39;s your opinion. I think it wasn&#39;t good at all. It&#39;s like explaining why they wore black leather long coats to fight in. Some of it is just artistic expression.[/b][/quote]
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE LIKE U CANT UNDERSTAND THE MATRIX TRIOLOGY


after that kind of explaination anyone would understand that movie
Since explaination is already given in the movie

U JUST HAVE TO RACK UR BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLAINATION

unreal_dude
03-15-2004, 03:00 PM
As far as an excellent explanation by the original poster, that&#39;s your opinion. I think it wasn&#39;t good at all. It&#39;s like explaining why they wore black leather long coats to fight in. Some of it is just artistic expression.
Seems like you dont seem to understand at all do you &#33; Who asked you to review my explanation and voice your ideas which kinda belong in ur matrix shit thread u started. Dont u get it this thread was meant for matrix fans.

Ofcourse i know that this wudn&#39;t bother you and you wud point out that i m no one 2 tell you where u can or cannot post &#33;&#33;

Busyman y dont u keep your precious comments about the matrix to yourself..........
and stop flaming each and every fan here &#33;&#33;

Ohh and btw for proving the fact that the explanation was satisfactory ............most of the ppl posting here agreed and appreciated the post. As far as i remember you were and still are the only one who keeps flaming ppl when they appreciate.....

:lol:

unreal_dude
03-15-2004, 03:10 PM
The last fight reminded me of the last fight between Jason and Freddy.

LOL no need to post more replies ............this explains why you dint like the Matrix Trilogy &#33;&#33;

Your movie taste seems very very artistic and mature &#33;&#33;

Oh and btw i have to agree with the guy who posted that Freddy Vs Jason was a crap movie &#33;&#33; :x

Busyman
03-15-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by marshall+15 March 2004 - 10:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 15 March 2004 - 10:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman+15 March 2004 - 14:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman &#064; 15 March 2004 - 14:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@15 March 2004 - 02:21

Originally posted by Busyman@12 March 2004 - 18:40
<!--QuoteBegin-Cygnuz&#045;Y@12 March 2004 - 01:36
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you... :01: :music1:
Wow it seems like a complaint when it does not agree with your views.

You&#39;ve got a moron telling me that I MUST like the sequels because I liked the original.

10 year olds aren&#39;t the only one&#39;s that say STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;

Keep in mind this started when I said that I DIDN&#39;T like Revolutions and folks on here can&#39;t take an opinion. <_<
Oh&#33;&#33;&#33; Folks here can&#39;t take an opinion, really? All this started only when u tried to force ur so-called "opinions" down our throats.

I would like to remind u that this is a discussion regarding "The Matrix trilogy explained" which started with the originator posting an excellent explanation. So this is a discussion for all people having their doubts and questions on the matrix trilogy. While most people have stated their doubts and some have helped to clear them, some people here like the "respected" Mr. Busyman have done nothing but iterated the same thing over and over again. As far as I can remember, u have done nothing but wasted others&#39; time asking stupid questions. And u accuse us of not being able to take an opinion. How the hell can u accuse others when u urself r so rigid? I told u several times there&#39;s no difference between liking the first Matrix movie and liking Reloaded and Revolutions. But u r still stuck on the same point&#33;&#33;&#33;

Funny how people call others "morons" when they themselves behave like "RETARDS".
Notice that I have never attacked anyone for liking the Matrix trilogy.
You like what you like.

So whatever you are on about respecting opinions, keep in mind there is a difference between liking all the movies and liking some of them.

I think the movies got progressively worse.
So what, you&#39;re going tell me I CAN&#39;T like the first one ONLY.

Even some of your fellow fans would think you sound stupid AFTER they get past the fact I especially didn&#39;t like some of your precious movies.

It also seems that my questions are stupid when they don&#39;t go along with more of your Matrix ball buffing.

Someone posts an explanation as to why the squids don&#39;t just kill THE LAST REMAINING defender at the docks and ........it holds no water. So if I reiterated a point, I&#39;m just looking for an explanation that actually makes sense from you or anyone.

As far as an excellent explanation by the original poster, that&#39;s your opinion. I think it wasn&#39;t good at all. It&#39;s like explaining why they wore black leather long coats to fight in. Some of it is just artistic expression.[/b]
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE LIKE U CANT UNDERSTAND THE MATRIX TRIOLOGY


after that kind of explaination anyone would understand that movie
Since explaination is already given in the movie

U JUST HAVE TO RACK UR BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLAINATION [/b][/quote]
Oh I "understand" it. It&#39;s just I understand that it&#39;s full of holes.

According to the "explanation":

The Matrix is a loop.

The first "One" did his job then the Matrix reloaded.

Then the second, the third, etc.

Question: How long does each Matrix run? Apparently no one in the real world knows of the previous "Ones".

Why did the machine create Zion (for all the humans to gather in one place)?

If they created it, how come it took so long to find it?

If the Matrix reloads and starts all over with the One doing his thing each time, the real world doesn&#39;t reload does it? Do the machines create Zion over and over again and then try to destroy it?

<!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude
As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control. [/quote]
That doesn&#39;t make much sense too me.
The One was created as a distraction? WTF sense is that?

Like I said, the explanation is full of holes because the movie is?

I could pick apart the "explanation" very easily. There are more holes than you care to pat attention too.

unreal_dude
03-15-2004, 04:19 PM
QUOTE (unreal_dude)
As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.

That doesn&#39;t make much sense too me.
The One was created as a distraction? WTF sense is that?

Like I said, the explanation is full of holes because the movie is?

I could pick apart the "explanation" very easily. There are more holes than you care to pat attention too.


Looks like you havent paid attention to the movie......i wud help a lot if you read the dialog transcript....really .......

Yup read this now.........
"THE ONE" is actually a PROGRAM and another system of control.

From some human perspective in Zion , through phrophecy, they believe "the one" will be the "savior" of Zion.

You will understand this only if you read the whole explanation carefully.....and not jus skimming thru .......cuz u hate the wac bros or me for that matter &#33;&#33;

Now i m quoting some dialogues frm the movie which indicates clearly that the one program is just another form of control &#33;&#33;
Quote:
Neo: It was a lie, Morpheus. The prophecy was a lie. The One was never meant to end anything. It was all another system of control.

Morpheus: I don&#39;t believe that.

Neo: But you said it yourself - how can the prophecy be true if the war isn&#39;t over? I&#39;m sorry. I know it isn&#39;t easy to hear, but I swear to you it&#39;s the truth.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now obviously you wont even believe this explanation even though it is crystal clear thru the dialogues. Remember dialogues have a imp part 2 play in this movie &#33;

marshall
03-15-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Busyman+15 March 2004 - 15:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 15 March 2004 - 15:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by marshall+15 March 2004 - 10:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 15 March 2004 - 10:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@15 March 2004 - 14:15

Originally posted by vish_cometrue@15 March 2004 - 02:21

Originally posted by Busyman@12 March 2004 - 18:40
<!--QuoteBegin-Cygnuz&#045;Y@12 March 2004 - 01:36
I think you need to chill out busyman, by the way you speak i guees you are like 10 year old, only my 10 year old cousin complains this much...&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


I dont want to start a fight with you, but seriously have some respect, thank you... :01: :music1:
Wow it seems like a complaint when it does not agree with your views.

You&#39;ve got a moron telling me that I MUST like the sequels because I liked the original.

10 year olds aren&#39;t the only one&#39;s that say STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;

Keep in mind this started when I said that I DIDN&#39;T like Revolutions and folks on here can&#39;t take an opinion. <_<
Oh&#33;&#33;&#33; Folks here can&#39;t take an opinion, really? All this started only when u tried to force ur so-called "opinions" down our throats.

I would like to remind u that this is a discussion regarding "The Matrix trilogy explained" which started with the originator posting an excellent explanation. So this is a discussion for all people having their doubts and questions on the matrix trilogy. While most people have stated their doubts and some have helped to clear them, some people here like the "respected" Mr. Busyman have done nothing but iterated the same thing over and over again. As far as I can remember, u have done nothing but wasted others&#39; time asking stupid questions. And u accuse us of not being able to take an opinion. How the hell can u accuse others when u urself r so rigid? I told u several times there&#39;s no difference between liking the first Matrix movie and liking Reloaded and Revolutions. But u r still stuck on the same point&#33;&#33;&#33;

Funny how people call others "morons" when they themselves behave like "RETARDS".
Notice that I have never attacked anyone for liking the Matrix trilogy.
You like what you like.

So whatever you are on about respecting opinions, keep in mind there is a difference between liking all the movies and liking some of them.

I think the movies got progressively worse.
So what, you&#39;re going tell me I CAN&#39;T like the first one ONLY.

Even some of your fellow fans would think you sound stupid AFTER they get past the fact I especially didn&#39;t like some of your precious movies.

It also seems that my questions are stupid when they don&#39;t go along with more of your Matrix ball buffing.

Someone posts an explanation as to why the squids don&#39;t just kill THE LAST REMAINING defender at the docks and ........it holds no water. So if I reiterated a point, I&#39;m just looking for an explanation that actually makes sense from you or anyone.

As far as an excellent explanation by the original poster, that&#39;s your opinion. I think it wasn&#39;t good at all. It&#39;s like explaining why they wore black leather long coats to fight in. Some of it is just artistic expression.
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE LIKE U CANT UNDERSTAND THE MATRIX TRIOLOGY


after that kind of explaination anyone would understand that movie
Since explaination is already given in the movie

U JUST HAVE TO RACK UR BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLAINATION [/b]
Oh I "understand" it. It&#39;s just I understand that it&#39;s full of holes.

According to the "explanation":

The Matrix is a loop.

The first "One" did his job then the Matrix reloaded.

Then the second, the third, etc.

Question: How long does each Matrix run? Apparently no one in the real world knows of the previous "Ones".

Why did the machine create Zion (for all the humans to gather in one place)?

If they created it, how come it took so long to find it?

If the Matrix reloads and starts all over with the One doing his thing each time, the real world doesn&#39;t reload does it? Do the machines create Zion over and over again and then try to destroy it?

<!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude
As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control. [/quote]
That doesn&#39;t make much sense too me.
The One was created as a distraction? WTF sense is that?

Like I said, the explanation is full of holes because the movie is?

I could pick apart the "explanation" very easily. There are more holes than you care to pat attention too. [/b][/quote]
well now i have come 2 understand that u r completely an ass

u r a kind of person to whom even if the wac bros wud have explained the triology
to u still wud have disagreed

no sense in arguing with Dumbass and answering stupid questions
it is a waste of time according to me.

Busyman
03-15-2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@15 March 2004 - 12:19

QUOTE (unreal_dude)
As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.

That doesn&#39;t make much sense too me.
The One was created as a distraction? WTF sense is that?

Like I said, the explanation is full of holes because the movie is?

I could pick apart the "explanation" very easily. There are more holes than you care to pat attention too.


Looks like you havent paid attention to the movie......i wud help a lot if you read the dialog transcript....really .......

Yup read this now.........
"THE ONE" is actually a PROGRAM and another system of control.

From some human perspective in Zion , through phrophecy, they believe "the one" will be the "savior" of Zion.

You will understand this only if you read the whole explanation carefully.....and not jus skimming thru .......cuz u hate the wac bros or me for that matter &#33;&#33;

Now i m quoting some dialogues frm the movie which indicates clearly that the one program is just another form of control &#33;&#33;
Quote:
Neo: It was a lie, Morpheus. The prophecy was a lie. The One was never meant to end anything. It was all another system of control.

Morpheus: I don&#39;t believe that.

Neo: But you said it yourself - how can the prophecy be true if the war isn&#39;t over? I&#39;m sorry. I know it isn&#39;t easy to hear, but I swear to you it&#39;s the truth.
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Now obviously you wont even believe this explanation even though it is crystal clear thru the dialogues. Remember dialogues have a imp part 2 play in this movie &#33;
I remember that line but from that one line I didn&#39;t get that he was "religious figure created as a distraction".

I don&#39;t think most people put those two together (your post and that one line).

Also keep in mind that Neo was bullshitting in the movie to make up for the fact that he tried to save Trinity instead of doing what he was supposed to do.

Obviously The One wasn&#39;t just meant to be a distraction if he had all those special powers and was meant to be reinserted into the Matrix (according to your own post).

Like I said full of holes.

Busyman
03-15-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by marshall@15 March 2004 - 12:22
well now i have come 2 understand that u r completely an ass

u r a kind of person to whom even if the wac bros wud have explained the triology
to u still wud have disagreed

no sense in arguing with Dumbass and answering stupid questions
it is a waste of time according to me.
Ok great I&#39;m too see you are going to be

S(ing)TFU :lol: :lol: :lol:

So now I&#39;m an ass for poking holes in your religion.
Don&#39;t take yourself or the Matrix too seriously. You&#39;ll feel better when someone gives it criticism.

btw explain those questions since I am such a dumbass.
It&#39;s obvious that the original post wasn&#39;t clear enough for my low intelligence.

unreal_dude
03-15-2004, 04:35 PM
Also keep in mind that Neo was bullshitting in the movie to make up for the fact that he tried to save Trinity instead of doing what he was supposed to do.

LOL That proves it ..........it&#39;s official now............you havent even watched the movie leave alone the fact that you are getting it all wrong ...............mayb you were drunk or in some kind of stupor &#33;&#33;

LOL if neo had chosen the door to the source the prime program i.e. the one program would have reinserted into the source and the matrix would have reloaded. Although humans wud have been saved but only 23 humans and not all of them. Read the Architect dialog &#33;&#33;

Man thanks for posting such questions &#33;&#33; You have made my life easier &#33;&#33; I earlier thought you had seen all the movies with all the attention and care ..........But then this goes to prove you are only whinning and cribbing all the way .........

:lol:

Busyman
03-15-2004, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@15 March 2004 - 12:35

Also keep in mind that Neo was bullshitting in the movie to make up for the fact that he tried to save Trinity instead of doing what he was supposed to do.

LOL That proves it ..........it&#39;s official now............you havent even watched the movie leave alone the fact that you are getting it all wrong ...............mayb you were drunk or in some kind of stupor &#33;&#33;

LOL if neo had chosen the door to the source the prime program i.e. the one program would have reinserted into the source and the matrix would have reloaded. Although humans wud have been saved but only 23 humans and not all of them. Read the Architect dialog &#33;&#33;

Man thanks for posting such questions &#33;&#33; You have made my life easier &#33;&#33; I earlier thought you had seen all the movies with all the attention and care ..........But then this goes to prove you are only whinning and cribbing all the way .........

:lol:
I know what WOULD have happened.
I also gleaned that the previous versions of the One might have done just that and that might explain why there were no humans in real world that knew of previous Ones.

It still doesn&#39;t explain Neo&#39;s rationale behind saying what he said. How did you get this "distraction" bit from his one sentence?

I just got that Neo deemed only 23 people being saved and Trinity dying was simply unacceptable. That is all.

Explain the rest of my questions...if you so choose.

unreal_dude
03-15-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Busyman+15 March 2004 - 22:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman &#064; 15 March 2004 - 22:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@15 March 2004 - 12:35

Also keep in mind that Neo was bullshitting in the movie to make up for the fact that he tried to save Trinity instead of doing what he was supposed to do.

LOL That proves it ..........it&#39;s official now............you havent even watched the movie leave alone the fact that you are getting it all wrong ...............mayb you were drunk or in some kind of stupor &#33;&#33;

LOL if neo had chosen the door to the source the prime program i.e. the one program would have reinserted into the source and the matrix would have reloaded. Although humans wud have been saved but only 23 humans and not all of them. Read the Architect dialog &#33;&#33;

Man thanks for posting such questions &#33;&#33; You have made my life easier &#33;&#33; I earlier thought you had seen all the movies with all the attention and care ..........But then this goes to prove you are only whinning and cribbing all the way .........

:lol:
I know what WOULD have happened.
I also gleaned that the previous versions of the One might have done just that and that might explain why there were no humans in real world that knew of previous Ones.

It still doesn&#39;t explain Neo&#39;s rationale behind saying what he said. How did you get this "distraction" bit from his one sentence?

I just got that Neo deemed only 23 people being saved and Trinity dying was simply unacceptable. That is all.

Explain the rest of my questions...if you so choose. [/b][/quote]
Thnks dude now atleast we are talking on the same lines &#33;&#33; WOW &#33;&#33;


It still doesn&#39;t explain Neo&#39;s rationale behind saying what he said. How did you get this "distraction" bit from his one sentence?



Hey but i dint understand your question clearly .....

wud you repeat plz ...thnks &#33;&#33;

btw feelin sleepy will answer tommrw. BYe.

Cheese
03-15-2004, 05:05 PM
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Busyman
03-15-2004, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese@15 March 2004 - 13:05
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly

Cheese
03-16-2004, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by Busyman+15 March 2004 - 17:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 15 March 2004 - 17:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@15 March 2004 - 13:05
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly [/b][/quote]
If you haven&#39;t read Maddox&#39;s "review" of the film it is worth checking out. :lol:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3

Busyman
03-16-2004, 05:04 AM
That&#39;s some funny shit&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol:

I love this one

Originally posted by maddox
I know most of you who liked this movie are probably reading this and saying "STUPID MADOX [sic]&#33; YOU JUST DIDN&#39;T GET IT." Oh no, I got it, it&#39;s just that once I got it, I didn&#39;t want it anymore. There are going to be websites popping up left and right trying to justify this movie, trying to rationalize everything

vish_cometrue
03-16-2004, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by Withcheese+16 March 2004 - 02:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese &#064; 16 March 2004 - 02:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@15 March 2004 - 17:23
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly
If you haven&#39;t read Maddox&#39;s "review" of the film it is worth checking out. :lol:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3[/b][/quote]
Ya&#33;&#33;&#33; Even my neighbour&#39;s dog&#39;s name is Maddox. The only difference is that even he didn&#39;t find it so tough to understand the Matrix story.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Busyman
03-16-2004, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by Withcheese+15 March 2004 - 13:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 15 March 2004 - 13:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Image Resized
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........And that picture reminds me of my own post.

<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman
Why don&#39;t the Oracle, Smith, and the Architect just STFU&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; (unless they have something direct to say) If I hear "cause without purpose it is inevitable you will know when the time comes" one more time I&#39;m going to YAK my dinner and the INCREDIBLE HULK drink that I so often have now after seeing this shit movie&#33;&#33;&#33;

[/quote] :lol: :lol: :lol:

marshall
03-16-2004, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Withcheese+16 March 2004 - 02:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese &#064; 16 March 2004 - 02:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly
If you haven&#39;t read Maddox&#39;s "review" of the film it is worth checking out. :lol:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3[/b][/quote]


Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Busyman
03-16-2004, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by marshall+16 March 2004 - 01:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall @ 16 March 2004 - 01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 02:11

Originally posted by Busyman@15 March 2004 - 17:23
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly
If you haven&#39;t read Maddox&#39;s "review" of the film it is worth checking out. :lol:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3


Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
Hey Witch.........we are dumb because we don&#39;t like the Matrix Trilogy.

BooHoo :(

Tetsujn
03-16-2004, 05:35 AM
ure not dumb because u dont like it ure dumb because u make childish insults and slurs at it for the most moronic reasons.

Busyman
03-16-2004, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 01:35
ure not dumb because u dont like it ure dumb because u make childish insults and slurs at it for the most moronic reasons.
What you mean calling a movie full of shit?

......and that makes me unintelligent?

Tetsujn
03-16-2004, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Busyman+16 March 2004 - 06:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 16 March 2004 - 06:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 01:35
ure not dumb because u dont like it ure dumb because u make childish insults and slurs at it for the most moronic reasons.
What you mean calling a movie full of shit?

......and that makes me unintelligent? [/b][/quote]
well it certainly doesent help u gain any support. ppl arent gonna take you seriously if all u do is insult a movie through vulgar disses and such.

Cheese
03-16-2004, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Tetsujn+16 March 2004 - 07:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn &#064; 16 March 2004 - 07:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@16 March 2004 - 06:01
<!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 01:35
ure not dumb because u dont like it ure dumb because u make childish insults and slurs at it for the most moronic reasons.
What you mean calling a movie full of shit?

......and that makes me unintelligent?
well it certainly doesent help u gain any support. ppl arent gonna take you seriously if all u do is insult a movie through vulgar disses and such. [/b][/quote]
Okay, I found the Matrix movies to be rather contrived. They really don&#39;t hold up to close scrutiny it was an action movie that tried to be something more.

The biggest mistake they made with The Matrix was to make three films...the first should have been all there was. But the great cash cow in the sky decreed they make some more money from it.

They then tried to "explain" The Matrix and thus doing so took all the mystery from the first film...I can&#39;t even watch the first film now because they spoilt it for me.

But even if I was a huge fan of The Matrix I would be prepared to take criticism of it, and would look for faults myself. As part of my English degree I know it is important to do this with texts, to blindly express your devotion to something without noting its faults is just silly.

edit: I have read this whole thread the whole way through (no bandwagon jumping for me), whatever happened to using your own imagination to define what happened in a film? Do you really need the explanation of someone else to define a film? Sometimes even the writers/directors don&#39;t truly know the story they are telling and it is up to the viewer to decide the story.

edit2: The initial explanation is quite good btw, some of it doesn&#39;t stand up imo though.

unreal_dude
03-16-2004, 11:27 AM
I know what WOULD have happened.
I also gleaned that the previous versions of the One might have done just that and that might explain why there were no humans in real world that knew of previous Ones.

It still doesn&#39;t explain Neo&#39;s rationale behind saying what he said. How did you get this "distraction" bit from his one sentence?

I just got that Neo deemed only 23 people being saved and Trinity dying was simply unacceptable. That is all.

Explain the rest of my questions...if you so choose.

Yeah&#33; The previous versions of the one just did that. OK lets not get into that.

During the neo and the architect conversation, the architect clearly mentions that the door to the right leads to the source which would allow "The one" program that neo carries to be inserted into the source and cause the matrix to be reloaded. If this would happen all the humans in zion would be killed anyways and 23 individuals from the matrix 16 females and 7 males would be selected to rebuild the matrix. Then if Neo choose the left door it would lead him back to Trinity and he would be able to save her and also buy them some time since the matrix cannot be reloaded without "the one" program.

However the architect wants neo to go to the source so he says that if he doesnt go to the source it will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing all ppl connected to the matrix plus he said that the machines will neways destroy Zion.

While this talk is going on neo realises that the prophecy would be true but not in the sense that he intended...i.e. The one will save every1 in zion. Although zion will be saved but with only 23 ppl while the rest would simply be killed. This is the time he realises that the one program is just another mean or form of control, since all the ppl in zion believe that the one is their saviour even morpheus (poor morpheus) and will probably concentrate on fact that the one will save them rather than they themselves concentrating on their wars against the machines &#33;&#33;

:)

unreal_dude
03-16-2004, 11:40 AM
But even if I was a huge fan of The Matrix I would be prepared to take criticism of it, and would look for faults myself. As part of my English degree I know it is important to do this with texts, to blindly express your devotion to something without noting its faults is just silly.

edit: I have read this whole thread the whole way through (no bandwagon jumping for me), whatever happened to using your own imagination to define what happened in a film? Do you really need the explanation of someone else to define a film? Sometimes even the writers/directors don&#39;t truly know the story they are telling and it is up to the viewer to decide the story.

edit2: The initial explanation is quite good btw, some of it doesn&#39;t stand up imo though.

Ya criticism is welcome too dude, but then if you say "hey dude the matrix sucked balls"
without thinking twice or even seeing the movie. it&#39;s kinda unintelligent &#33;&#33; Correct criticism is welcome but using slang bad mouthing and calling oneself a critic isn&#39;t cool.
Nobody is blindly expressing devotion to anythng. Nobody has time for doing that man &#33;&#33;
But to blindly criticise the movie cuz someone thinks it 2 b a action movie but turned out sumthng else isnt that intelligent.

If you look beyond all this stunts, the symbolism, those cool glasses ...i think the movie has a important theme to it ......that is that human kind creates it&#39;s own problems, We are our enemies.......Also we have become so dependent on machines that we cannot live without them now. Just a thought &#33;&#33;

Hey man thnks that you found the explanation good. Btw if you have some suggestions u r welcome &#33;&#33; B)

Cheese
03-16-2004, 12:08 PM
Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}

Cheers Marshell, I just noticed this. You&#39;ll make a great addition to the board.

Here&#39;s a quick piece of advice: When you decide to insult someone&#39;s intelligence try not to sound like a 9-year-old AOLer it just doesn&#39;t do your cause much good. Maddox (the review) makes some good points in his piece (though I admit his language is quite colourful).

@unreal_dude: The Matrix is an action movie whith delusions of being more, there is an important theme behind it all, but most movies have themes. That doesn&#39;t make the Matrix any better imo.

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts. :rolleyes:

Besides Busyman smells. :P

Busyman
03-16-2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 08:08

Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}

Cheers Marshell, I just noticed this. You&#39;ll make a great addition to the board.

Here&#39;s a quick piece of advice: When you decide to insult someone&#39;s intelligence try not to sound like a 9-year-old AOLer it just doesn&#39;t do your cause much good. Maddox (the review) makes some good points in his piece (though I admit his language is quite colourful).

@unreal_dude: The Matrix is an action movie whith delusions of being more, there is an important theme behind it all, but most movies have themes. That doesn&#39;t make the Matrix any better imo.

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts. :rolleyes:

Besides Busyman smells. :P
*sniff* *sniff* I reallllly didn&#39;t wash today :lol: :lol:

unreal_dude
03-16-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 17:38

Hey withcheese y dont u shove that review up ur ass

looks like even they were drunk while watching and i am 100% sure that they thought they were watching The Matrix Revolutions but instead were watching GIGLI

{your above questions only prove you r the biggest dumbass (as i have stated this line before but it seems like your intelligence is too low since u didnt understand my last post-Mr. Busyman)}

Cheers Marshell, I just noticed this. You&#39;ll make a great addition to the board.

Here&#39;s a quick piece of advice: When you decide to insult someone&#39;s intelligence try not to sound like a 9-year-old AOLer it just doesn&#39;t do your cause much good. Maddox (the review) makes some good points in his piece (though I admit his language is quite colourful).

@unreal_dude: The Matrix is an action movie whith delusions of being more, there is an important theme behind it all, but most movies have themes. That doesn&#39;t make the Matrix any better imo.

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts. :rolleyes:

Besides Busyman smells. :P
"WE" did both of u guys watch the movie together&#33;&#33; and came up on single conclusion that it sucked. Is it so.......cuz ur post makes me fell that way.

Btw if u guys still believe that the matrix wasnt good.............then apparently it is fine. Although i tried sincerely 2 make it simple for u to unserstand &#33; But then it&#39;s upto the person whether or not he or she wants to accept or reject somebdys elses suggestions.

So from now on i m gonna save my efforts and time and stop explaining to certain ppl ..... And oh btw i was explaining it cuz the next time u guys might decide to watch the movie you might just appreciate it for what it is.

:)

Cheese
03-16-2004, 01:06 PM
What&#39;s wrong with our thinking the film "sucked"? I for one thought the last two films were a missed opportunity, they could have been so much better but the Wac brothers took the film in the wrong direction imo. <---------Notice this bit.

I have every respect for your liking of the film and I can see the appeal to some degree so please don&#39;t speak to me like I&#39;m a child I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve warranted that with my postings.

Somethings that displeased me about the Matrix sequels

As Busyman pointed out the battle scenes in the "real" were implausible the machines should have owned.

The character of Merovingian was criminally under used, he was the true mirror to Neo imo not Agent Smith. Alongside the Architect he is one of the most interesting characters in the film, but no sooner had they grabbed my interest than they were gone.

The mythology and philosophy of the original movie was missing from the sequels.

Morpheus became pretty much a joke character, he was the man in the first film but was little more than a side kick to Naeobi.


This last point isn&#39;t really related to the others but when I first heard about the Matrix sequels I thought great. Then when I heard that Agent Smith was going to be in it I thought, "That&#39;s a mistake, recurring bad guys are all good fun but they tend to dominate the film." It would be strange to imagine how the Matrix sequels would have worked without Agent Smith...I&#39;ve said this before but I think the Wac brothers just didnt have the guts to take their story to the next level and instead kept to the tried and tested formula of the first film.

Essentially, with some embellishments, they retold the first story.

edit: And no I didn&#39;t watch the film with Busyman, I think this Matrix thing is one of the few things we actually do agree on and this dates back to his great thread "The Matrix sucks - Now read this shit" (or something like that). Besides, as previously noted, he smells.

marshall
03-16-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@16 March 2004 - 12:30

"WE" did both of u guys watch the movie together&#33;&#33; and came up on single conclusion that it sucked. Is it so.......cuz ur post makes me fell that way.

Btw if u guys still believe that the matrix wasnt good.............then apparently it is fine. Although i tried sincerely 2 make it simple for u to unserstand &#33; But then it&#39;s upto the person whether or not he or she wants to accept or reject somebdys elses suggestions.

So from now on i m gonna save my efforts and time and stop explaining to certain ppl ..... And oh btw i was explaining it cuz the next time u guys might decide to watch the movie you might just appreciate it for what it is.

:)

Good Decision
:gunsmile:

marshall
03-16-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts. :rolleyes:
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ya i know with wht evidence he has backed his views :lol: :lol: :lol:

it seems to me like u people will never understand the matrix since u r stuck with the action, stunts of the matrix in your head and cant think beyond it i.e. the meaning of the matrix triology

therefore imo it is a complete waste of time explaining the matrix triology to u
and as far as childish is concerned we already know who is childish u dont have to say ne thing.

atleast you said something right
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Besides Busyman smells. :P
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unreal_dude
03-16-2004, 02:41 PM
This last point isn&#39;t really related to the others but when I first heard about the Matrix sequels I thought great. Then when I heard that Agent Smith was going to be in it I thought, "That&#39;s a mistake, recurring bad guys are all good fun but they tend to dominate the film." It would be strange to imagine how the Matrix sequels would have worked without Agent Smith...I&#39;ve said this before but I think the Wac brothers just didnt have the guts to take their story to the next level and instead kept to the tried and tested formula of the first film.

Btw the WB had announced that they were gonna make the matrix a trilogy much b4 filming The matrix.

And btw while watching the movie did u know or ever hear that Agent smith is the systemic anomaly and that the one program was also created so as to balance this anomaly plus other reasons. And the smith in the matrix has seen all 6 versions of the matrix. So in every version never has Neo been able to defeat him except for now. Only difference now was that he was able 2 clone himself &#33;&#33;

Actually the wac bros had alotm of guts and took the story to a much deeper level ( the rabbit hole runs much deeper) and made it quite diffrent frm your usual hollywood movies. But then ppl just cudnt digest the fact that a movie cud end in such a way &#33;&#33;


Your tried and tested formulae works in a lot of other movies like LOTR series (btw i m a huge fan too), minority report etc etc.

unreal_dude
03-16-2004, 02:49 PM
The character of Merovingian was criminally under used, he was the true mirror to Neo imo not Agent Smith. Alongside the Architect he is one of the most interesting characters in the film, but no sooner had they grabbed my interest than they were gone.

The mythology and philosophy of the original movie was missing from the sequels.

The character of merovingian was criminally underused .........oh you mean they shud have had a fight sequence with him .........guns blazing and all or shud we have a chase sequence &#33;&#33;

Agrees the architect was a interesting dude but then his part was good enuf and plus that conversation was pretty important. Ofcourse by your post you mean to say he shud have got more footage afterall he is the one who created the MATRIX isn&#39;t it ??

btw can you explain to me wot mythology and philosophy were you looking for in the sequels that weren&#39;t present here &#33;&#33; And also since you saw the Matrix as a ACTION movie .........wot kind of philosophy or mythology did you really see in it &#33;&#33;

unreal_dude
03-16-2004, 03:05 PM
Btw i just got this thru e-mail. This guy has kept it very very simple. Kudos &#33;&#33;
I am posting this for all 2 read &#33;&#33;

The Matrix through my eyes and mine only

Zion is real&#33; The Matrix is not.
Zion: The last human city. In the Old Testament, Zion refers to the royal capital of David

Matrix: It’ a computer program used to imprison mankind. The Matrix is a virtual-reality program hard-wired into the human brain to deceive mankind about this truth. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program. The first Matrix was designed as a uptopia (perfect world) but humans did not accept it as real, so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it&#39;s last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect&#39;s problem with this new design of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs (Agents) sent to watch over them, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith (a rogue agent) . In Reloaded ,The Architect continues to speak of the anomaly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start over again.



Who is Thomas Anderson and Neo?

By day, Thomas Anderson is a cubicle-bound software programmer. Depressed and having no purpose in life, and wishing that somehow everything that you’ve known all your life is a lie, and in fact you have some great purpose, some fantastic reason to live and the chance to do something with your life.

So enters Neo (Thomas’ fantasy) , as our sympathetic hero , gets that chance, and the rest of the story is about that dream coming true.
By night, he&#39;s a computer hacker known as “Neo” with troubling questions about reality. A rebel group led by Morpheus recruits Neo and offers him a chance to discover the truth about the Matrix. Once Neo is unplugged from the Matrix and realizes that humans are slaves to an empire of man-made, intelligent machines. Neo reluctantly accepts his mission to free the human race.





What or Who is “The One” ? Is it Neo? Does it really matters?

The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith begins to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. “The One” is a program which was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed.

Mr Smith is a similar program to “The One” . Mr. Smith&#39;s virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn&#39;t quickly reboot the system.


Onto Revolution:

Neo is different, Is he “The One” ? It doesn’t matter if he is or not. All we know is that many people believe in Neo. In Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo&#39;s experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love which makes him unique.

Neo&#39;s choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith&#39;s behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she&#39;ll be able to help Neo when the time is right.

Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don&#39;t need very long to recognize that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system. So the machines allow Neo to be plugged in.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself.

The Oracle noted that by Neo and “ the Source” (which is the computer mainframe, the Architect are all one and the same) are connected, he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith&#39;s are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him.


What is the meaning of the Matrix trilogy:
The important ending of this triology is the machines wanted desperately to get along with man. They made several attempts to do so, but were rejected so they lashed out. Through Neo, it is possible that the machines now realize that man is READY to make peace with the machines and therefore they can live in harmony. It is no longer man seeing themselves as the creator. Neo said it best when he said, "So we need the machines and they need us."

Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race&#39;s enemy isn&#39;t the machines but the human race itself.

Thanks for a wild ride , WB

Cheese
03-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by marshall+16 March 2004 - 13:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 16 March 2004 - 13:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38@

In regards to childish insults I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence. There are a few people in this thread that are capable of proper debate about a film and there are those who just seem to take exception to the fact that we watched a film, understood it and didn&#39;t particularly think it worked. They themselves are throwing around childish taunts. :rolleyes:

ya i know with wht evidence he has backed his views :lol: :lol: :lol:

it seems to me like u people will never understand the matrix since u r stuck with the action, stunts of the matrix in your head and cant think beyond it i.e. the meaning of the matrix triology

therefore imo it is a complete waste of time explaining the matrix triology to u
and as far as childish is concerned we already know who is childish u dont have to say ne thing.

atleast you said something right
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Besides Busyman smells. :P
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How have you deduced that I didn&#39;t understand the films, as I&#39;ve previously stated I understood them and came to my own conclusions when I watched the films about what happened. It&#39;s all very subjective and the explanations that have been posted here are all very interesting and I can see where they are coming from.

I&#39;ve taken the time to read each and every post. I understood the film, didn&#39;t enjoy them. End of story. I don&#39;t see why you feel the need to insult me, perhaps you are feeling insecure in yourself?

I&#39;ve enjoyed reading the various insights into the film and can appreciate what people feel the film means. But as I&#39;ve said before this is people&#39;s opinions on the matter, there is no "right" answer, the great thing about films/books/etc is that we get to use our imagination with them.

@unreal_dude:
The character of merovingian was criminally underused .........oh you mean they shud have had a fight sequence with him .........guns blazing and all or shud we have a chase sequence &#33;&#33;

There you go talking to me like a child again...sad because I thought you were an intelligent poster. Anyhow, I just think that Merovingian could have played an important role in helping Neo find the secrets of the Matrix, after all he was once idealistic like Neo. I&#39;m not hung up on action scenes and actually found the action scenes in Matrix Revolutions kind of boring...the most interesting scenes in the two sequels were the scenes with the architect and Merovingian.

People seem hostile to any criticism of these films, I haven&#39;t actually been hostile myself (at least I don&#39;t believe I have). I didn&#39;t hate these films not by a long way, in fact I could watch them again. I just feel they weren&#39;t as good as they could have been, if they had stuck to just the first film that would have been just grand for me. The sequels took the shine off the first one for me.

Tetsujn
03-16-2004, 07:12 PM
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.

Cheese
03-16-2004, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.
Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of? :lol:

Busyman
03-16-2004, 08:22 PM
...furthermore if a movie is that involved that a very high number of people "don&#39;t get it", that&#39;s the movie maker&#39;s fault not the audience.

Also after knowing these things there should be a satisfaction you get from it instead of a, "Awwww man&#33;&#33;&#33;".

I remember one thing that was mysterious about the first movie was Zion itself. Then when I actually saw it, I was like, "uh Ok". Not that Zion was bad or anything; I guess I was expecting something else.

Tetsujn
03-16-2004, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese+16 March 2004 - 19:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 - 19:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.
Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of? :lol: [/b][/quote]
believe me im not taking this personally. and if uve been on the internet more than a day u&#39;d know that n00b stands for newbie. or someone who is new to a consept. they usually say the most retarded things. hence the slang term for em. anyways I can accept that U understand the movie and dont think that its good. but ure saying that its not good...period. not that u THINK its not good but that u&#39;re stating it as tho u want to make ppl see that its not good in your eyes (when i say "u" i mean matrix haters in general not just u). thats the only reason why i point things out like the above refferences to the films. im trying to make a point. that point is that every film is good in its own way but there are films which surpass that (usually cult films like LOTR, SW, Matrix, Pulp Ficton, etc) and some of those are not given the credit they deserve. which is why there are fans like us which defend the films and yes we get passionate about it. even frustrated. but u cant blame us afterall. i must have heard the same reason for disliking the movie over a hundered times and i could answer the question which has been raised and used as a primairy example of the films "plot holes". which is why it irratates me. and when we do answer these questions the film bashers won&#39;t accept the fact that they may actually be wrong for once. I&#39;m willing to admit there was some bad stuff even horrible (first 20 minutes of reloaded=*puke*). so why can&#39;t they? it always seems as tho some ppl want to take their hatered for a movie to the next level and bring it out for all to see. without valid reasons. only simple ignorence. thats why i reply to posts like these. because i love the films and they deserve to have someone stick up for em.

Tetsujn
03-16-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Busyman@16 March 2004 - 20:22
...furthermore if a movie is that involved that a very high number of people "don&#39;t get it", that&#39;s the movie maker&#39;s fault not the audience.

Also after knowing these things there should be a satisfaction you get from it instead of a, "Awwww man&#33;&#33;&#33;".

I remember one thing that was mysterious about the first movie was Zion itself. Then when I actually saw it, I was like, "uh Ok". Not that Zion was bad or anything; I guess I was expecting something else.
u could not be more wrong there my friend (and say that with the post above in mind :D). if a person does not want to invest the brain power to actually try and understand the movie instead of having someone hand it to them on a silver platter they are to be blamed if they say that film is bad and cannot understand it.

also idont think the W.bros were looking in your best interest when they came up with zion. so dont bitch about that one. :lol:

Cheese
03-16-2004, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Tetsujn+16 March 2004 - 20:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn @ 16 March 2004 - 20:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 19:28
<!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.
Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of? :lol:
believe me im not taking this personally. and if uve been on the internet more than a day u&#39;d know that n00b stands for newbie. or someone who is new to a consept. they usually say the most retarded things. hence the slang term for em. anyways I can accept that U understand the movie and dont think that its good. but ure saying that its not good...period. not that u THINK its not good but that u&#39;re stating it as tho u want to make ppl see that its not good in your eyes (when i say "u" i mean matrix haters in general not just u). thats the only reason why i point things out like the above refferences to the films. im trying to make a point. that point is that every film is good in its own way but there are films which surpass that (usually cult films like LOTR, SW, Matrix, Pulp Ficton, etc) and some of those are not given the credit they deserve. which is why there are fans like us which defend the films and yes we get passionate about it. even frustrated. but u cant blame us afterall. i must have heard the same reason for disliking the movie over a hundered times and i could answer the question which has been raised and used as a primairy example of the films "plot holes". which is why it irratates me. and when we do answer these questions the film bashers won&#39;t accept the fact that they may actually be wrong for once. I&#39;m willing to admit there was some bad stuff even horrible (first 20 minutes of reloaded=*puke*). so why can&#39;t they? it always seems as tho some ppl want to take their hatered for a movie to the next level and bring it out for all to see. without valid reasons. only simple ignorence. thats why i reply to posts like these. because i love the films and they deserve to have someone stick up for em. [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m glad we&#39;ve cleared up what n00b means I&#39;ve been wondering all this time about that one. Thanks.

Peerzy
03-16-2004, 09:46 PM
O ha ha ha ah aha ha u fuckoing crack me up.... telling withcheese what i n00b is ah ah aha o fuxcking hell ur high on something ha ahaha h aha sorry its so fucking funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Peerzy
03-16-2004, 09:48 PM
Just leave cheese alone, he&#39;s new he only has one post look at his post count :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheese
03-16-2004, 09:50 PM
Shut up peerzy :angry:

This is my first day on the internet I&#39;m still learning stuff you see? Now what is a "lol"? :blink:

Peerzy
03-16-2004, 09:52 PM
Dictonary.com defines &#39;Lol&#39; as:

could not be found please type in your request again.

Hope that clears things up. now do you know what a &#39;download&#39; is?

Tetsujn
03-16-2004, 11:09 PM
lol he asked... :rolleyes:

Cheese
03-16-2004, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by peerzyboy@16 March 2004 - 20:52
Dictonary.com defines &#39;Lol&#39; as:

could not be found please type in your request again.

Hope that clears things up. now do you know what a &#39;download&#39; is?
That does it peerzy I&#39;m writing Bill Gates and getting you banned from the internet, or at least put on moderation.

Peerzy
03-16-2004, 11:15 PM
o shit no, but ha ha im behind i firewall no1s gonna get my IP&#33;

lol ha ah u n00b OMG WTF, LMAO bet ya dfont klnow what they are LOL WTF OMG LMAF&#33;&#33;&#33;

:01:

3RA1N1AC
03-17-2004, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by unreal_dude@16 March 2004 - 07:05
Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race&#39;s enemy isn&#39;t the machines but the human race itself.
you reap what you sew? is that the grand concept that all the "haters" are just not educated enough to understand? i woulda thunk we all had a firm handle on that one because it&#39;s been one of the most common, predictable themes in literature & drama since the tragedy plays of ancient greece.

excerpt from a play by some dude who died a few thousand years ago:
oracle: "do something wrong, and fate is gonna kick you in the ass&#33; it is going to be ironic as all get out, and you will feel like a damn fool."
hero: "whoa. dude."
oracle: "but if you do good... well, i can&#39;t make any promises. fate is prolly still gonna kick you in the ass."
hero: "holy shit. that sucks."

if that&#39;s the essence of the whole trilogy, what the whole thing really boils down to, i gotta say that i think Witchcheese is right-- the Wachowski brothers had a chance to deal with some really complicated, futuristic, hardball philosophical issues... and they squandered it by focusing on the same old traditional themes that have already been done to death, and dressing it up in a slick new wrapper. it paid lip service to the PKD themes ("what is reality? who is truly human?"), but the plot was so passionless and concerned with having the characters build a house of cards out of technical jargon and corny riddles... it&#39;s not coherent enough to make the audience care about the cosmic implications of being jacked in, or of artificial intelligence. it&#39;s like buying a car from General Motors, and instead of a car they just give you a huge pile of car parts and say "i dunno... i didn&#39;t feel like putting it together completely. i guess you can figure it out, yourself. oh yeah, and some of the gears are missing."

justin89
03-17-2004, 02:46 AM
I really hope on the revolutions dvd there is deleted scenes, or in the future release a directors cut. Then maybe people will quit there bitching.

vish_cometrue
03-17-2004, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Tetsujn+16 March 2004 - 21:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tetsujn @ 16 March 2004 - 21:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@16 March 2004 - 19:28
<!--QuoteBegin-Tetsujn@16 March 2004 - 18:12
the thing is u think u understand it but u do not. u ask the questions which have been answered throughout the movie but u do not follow their explantion. for example someone on an IMDB board said the movie sucked because merv didnt reveal how he got neo into Mobil Ave. um, ok how&#39;s this for him revealing it:

Merv: "I am curious though as to how he was actualy trapped. Do you know?" Trinity: "No."
Merv: "I did not think so."

it is obvious he didnt trap him in there. the power of the source (i.e Neo: "Tell me how I was able to stop 4 sentinals just by thinking. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me." Oracle: "You touched the source") somehow trapped him in there.Merv merely kept him. Then someone asked why the hell Merv wanted the eyes of the oracle. they said that was a plot hole. How about this:

Neo: What does he want? (reffering to Merv in Reloaded)
Oracle: What do all me with power want? More power.

these are but one of a million n00b questions. It goes to show the ignorence of some people. which is why i dont even bother picking apart your posts for the sheer fact of proving u wrong when u&#39;ll never accept that you just may be looking at the movie through the wrong way.
Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.

Feel free to pick apart my posts...but you will only be trying to force feed your own understanding of the film onto mine. Is one of us right and the other wrong? Or could it be that a film can be interpreted in more than one way, each no more right than the other?

btw what the hell? "n00b questions" Is there some sort of 1337 Matrix appreciation club that I&#39;m not aware of? :lol:
believe me im not taking this personally. and if uve been on the internet more than a day u&#39;d know that n00b stands for newbie. or someone who is new to a consept. they usually say the most retarded things. hence the slang term for em. anyways I can accept that U understand the movie and dont think that its good. but ure saying that its not good...period. not that u THINK its not good but that u&#39;re stating it as tho u want to make ppl see that its not good in your eyes (when i say "u" i mean matrix haters in general not just u). thats the only reason why i point things out like the above refferences to the films. im trying to make a point. that point is that every film is good in its own way but there are films which surpass that (usually cult films like LOTR, SW, Matrix, Pulp Ficton, etc) and some of those are not given the credit they deserve. which is why there are fans like us which defend the films and yes we get passionate about it. even frustrated. but u cant blame us afterall. i must have heard the same reason for disliking the movie over a hundered times and i could answer the question which has been raised and used as a primairy example of the films "plot holes". which is why it irratates me. and when we do answer these questions the film bashers won&#39;t accept the fact that they may actually be wrong for once. I&#39;m willing to admit there was some bad stuff even horrible (first 20 minutes of reloaded=*puke*). so why can&#39;t they? it always seems as tho some ppl want to take their hatered for a movie to the next level and bring it out for all to see. without valid reasons. only simple ignorence. thats why i reply to posts like these. because i love the films and they deserve to have someone stick up for em. [/b][/quote]
Well said friend&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Couldn&#39;t put it better myself.

3RA1N1AC
03-17-2004, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by justin89@16 March 2004 - 18:46
I really hope on the revolutions dvd there is deleted scenes, or in the future release a directors cut. Then maybe people will quit there bitching.
revolutions for dinner and revolutions for dessert? :blink:

NOOOOOOOOOO.
http://www.humanplague.com/archive/pissoff/pics/webthug.jpg

vish_cometrue
03-17-2004, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by justin89@17 March 2004 - 02:46
I really hope on the revolutions dvd there is deleted scenes, or in the future release a directors cut. Then maybe people will quit there bitching.
Don&#39;t count on it&#33;&#33;&#33; Some people never stop whining, no matter whatever explanations are provided to them.

3RA1N1AC
03-17-2004, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue+16 March 2004 - 23:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vish_cometrue @ 16 March 2004 - 23:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-justin89@17 March 2004 - 02:46
I really hope on the revolutions dvd there is deleted scenes, or in the future release a directors cut. Then maybe people will quit there bitching.
Don&#39;t count on it&#33;&#33;&#33; Some people never stop whining, no matter whatever explanations are provided to them. [/b][/quote]
quit your whining, you damn whiner.

marshall
03-17-2004, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
How have you deduced that I didn&#39;t understand the films, as I&#39;ve previously stated I understood them and came to my own conclusions when I watched the films about what happened.&nbsp;
[/b]

Otherwise u wouldnt have given stupid images that had no meaning, saying stupid things such as

Originally posted by Withcheese+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
"The biggest mistake they made with The Matrix was to make three films...the first should have been all there was. But the great cash cow in the sky decreed they make some more money from it.

They then tried to "explain" The Matrix and thus doing so took all the mystery from the first film...I can&#39;t even watch the first film now because they spoilt it for me."
[/b]

as if the wac bros will listen to ur shit ideas and make the movie.

and also

Originally posted by Withcheese

What&#39;s wrong with our thinking the film "sucked"? I for one thought the last two films were a missed opportunity, they could have been so much better but the Wac brothers took the film in the wrong direction imo. <---------Notice this bit.


if your intelligence marked up then perhaps you could have interpreted the movie correctly because of your stupid justifications i think your thinking sucked than the film


Originally posted by Withcheese

It&#39;s all very subjective and the explanations that have been posted here are all very interesting and I can see where they are coming from.

<!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@

Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.
[/quote]

if u have picked up most of the points then y the hell u post silly comments and try to justify ur silly views

(if you still dont understand wht i m trying to say read your previous posts an perhaps then u might be able to understand wht i m trying to say)

and btw do please explain me the evidence with which Mr Busyman has explained his views

<!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese

I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence.
[/quote]

since i failed to understand his stupid views

vish_cometrue
03-17-2004, 09:20 AM
Mr.Whiner: Man&#33;&#33;&#33; I just didn&#39;t get the movie. The first one was good and had a lot of gunfights. U know....the second one had boringly long scenes with The Architect speaking nonsense.
Mr.Cribber: Ya dude&#33;&#33;&#33; I don&#39;
t know what did all these "matrix fans" find in this movie. They talk about truth and going deeper down the rabbit hole. I didn&#39;t find a damn truth in these movies and what&#39;s this rabbit hole? By the way I was drunk when I saw the movies but I still saw them.
Mr.Whiner: Man&#33;&#33;&#33; I was asleep as well but that&#39;s not my fault. what with the Architect and Oracle blabbering things I do not understand. But yes I also saw the movie. So what if I was asleep?

:frusty: :frusty:

Come on guys&#33;&#33;&#33; Get a life. Is this all that u can do in life? Criticizing movies that u couldn&#39;t come to terms with&#33;&#33;&#33; And worse, forcing ur "opinions" on people like us who have a much better understanding of the three movies. U people r just seeing one aspect of the Matrix trilogy and not the story as a whole. Which is what shows in ur posts. Just because u didn&#39;t like (comprehend, according to me) the Matrix movies dosen&#39;t mean that u make all others see it the same way. Thats just not the way the world functions.

3RA1N1AC
03-17-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@17 March 2004 - 01:20
Mr.Whiner: Man&#33;&#33;&#33; I just didn&#39;t get the movie. The first one was good and had a lot of gunfights. U know....the second one had boringly long scenes with The Architect speaking nonsense.
Mr.Cribber: Ya dude&#33;&#33;&#33; I don&#39;
t know what did all these "matrix fans" find in this movie. They talk about truth and going deeper down the rabbit hole. I didn&#39;t find a damn truth in these movies and what&#39;s this rabbit hole? By the way I was drunk when I saw the movies but I still saw them.
Mr.Whiner: Man&#33;&#33;&#33; I was asleep as well but that&#39;s not my fault. what with the Architect and Oracle blabbering things I do not understand. But yes I also saw the movie. So what if I was asleep?

:frusty:&nbsp; :frusty:

Come on guys&#33;&#33;&#33; Get a life. Is this all that u can do in life? Criticizing movies that u couldn&#39;t come to terms with&#33;&#33;&#33; And worse, forcing ur "opinions" on people like us who have a much better understanding of the three movies. U people r just seeing one aspect of the Matrix trilogy and not the story as a whole. Which is what shows in ur posts. Just because u didn&#39;t like (comprehend, according to me) the Matrix movies dosen&#39;t mean that u make all others see it the same way. Thats just not the way the world functions.
KING OF THE WHINERS: WAAAAAAAH, NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME AND MY MATRIX. WE ARE SO MISUNDERSTOOD AND PERSECUTED. ONE OF THESE DAYS, I WILL SHOW YOU ALL. ALL I HAVE TO DO IS CALL YOU "STUPID IDIOT WHINERS" UNTIL YOU FINALLY CAVE IN AND ADMIT THAT THE TRILOGY IS THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. [at which point, the King Of The Whiners pees his pants and then runs like a girl to his treehouse where he can assure himself of his intellectual superiority, suck his thumb, and take a nap with his teddy bear]

marshall
03-17-2004, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@17 March 2004 - 09:20
Mr.Whiner: Man&#33;&#33;&#33; I just didn&#39;t get the movie. The first one was good and had a lot of gunfights. U know....the second one had boringly long scenes with The Architect speaking nonsense.
Mr.Cribber: Ya dude&#33;&#33;&#33; I don&#39;
t know what did all these "matrix fans" find in this movie. They talk about truth and going deeper down the rabbit hole. I didn&#39;t find a damn truth in these movies and what&#39;s this rabbit hole? By the way I was drunk when I saw the movies but I still saw them.
Mr.Whiner: Man&#33;&#33;&#33; I was asleep as well but that&#39;s not my fault. what with the Architect and Oracle blabbering things I do not understand. But yes I also saw the movie. So what if I was asleep?

:frusty:&nbsp; :frusty:

Come on guys&#33;&#33;&#33; Get a life. Is this all that u can do in life? Criticizing movies that u couldn&#39;t come to terms with&#33;&#33;&#33; And worse, forcing ur "opinions" on people like us who have a much better understanding of the three movies. U people r just seeing one aspect of the Matrix trilogy and not the story as a whole. Which is what shows in ur posts. Just because u didn&#39;t like (comprehend, according to me) the Matrix movies dosen&#39;t mean that u make all others see it the same way. Thats just not the way the world functions.
thats very true VISH_COMETRUE these asses are cribbing over the movie without any solid reason, just because they didnt understand the movie so according to them everybody should post it as a bullshit movie.

as far as i m thinking they r just a bunch of kids trying to put their stupid views down our throats

IMO
They r Acting Just Like a bunch of ASSES

3RA1N1AC
03-17-2004, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 02:50
thats very true VISH_COMETRUE these asses are cribbing over the movie without any solid reason, just because they didnt understand the movie so according to them everybody should post it as a bullshit movie.

as far as i m thinking they r just a bunch of kids trying to put their stupid views down our throats

IMO
They r Acting Just Like a bunch of ASSES
i know you&#39;re an assclown, but wut am i.

http://www.broadwayworld.com/columns/photos/a2.jpg

marshall
03-17-2004, 11:44 AM
i think u people r a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen

Cheese
03-17-2004, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by marshall+17 March 2004 - 07:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall @ 17 March 2004 - 07:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 16 March 2004 &#045; 17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
How have you deduced that I didn&#39;t understand the films, as I&#39;ve previously stated I understood them and came to my own conclusions when I watched the films about what happened.
[/b]

Otherwise u wouldnt have given stupid images that had no meaning, saying stupid things such as

Originally posted by Withcheese

"The biggest mistake they made with The Matrix was to make three films...the first should have been all there was. But the great cash cow in the sky decreed they make some more money from it.

They then tried to "explain" The Matrix and thus doing so took all the mystery from the first film...I can&#39;t even watch the first film now because they spoilt it for me."


as if the wac bros will listen to ur shit ideas and make the movie.

and also

Originally posted by Withcheese

What&#39;s wrong with our thinking the film "sucked"? I for one thought the last two films were a missed opportunity, they could have been so much better but the Wac brothers took the film in the wrong direction imo. <---------Notice this bit.


if your intelligence marked up then perhaps you could have interpreted the movie correctly because of your stupid justifications i think your thinking sucked than the film


Originally posted by Withcheese

It&#39;s all very subjective and the explanations that have been posted here are all very interesting and I can see where they are coming from.

<!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@

Those two points I picked up on in the film, I didn&#39;t need anyone to point that out for me. Is it really so hard to accept that I understood the film and thought it was a wasted opportunity? You guys seem to be taking this personally...please don&#39;t.


if u have picked up most of the points then y the hell u post silly comments and try to justify ur silly views

(if you still dont understand wht i m trying to say read your previous posts an perhaps then u might be able to understand wht i m trying to say)

and btw do please explain me the evidence with which Mr Busyman has explained his views

<!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese

I have to say if you are referring to Busyman then as far as I can see he has at least backed them up with some evidence.
[/quote]

since i failed to understand his stupid views [/b][/quote]
@Marshall: Really kiddo try to keep up with us we are having what is called a "debate" as I have previously explained I have taken the time to read people&#39;s comments have have posted in an intelligent and calm manner.

It seems there is obviously something deeply wrong with you as you are feeling very persecuted which is leading you to lash out at anyone who vaguely disagrees with you. Perhaps actually reading my posts, Busyman&#39;s posts and in fact any of the posts would help.

When you discuss things in an adult manner you will find that people will often disagree with your views: some for the sake of it, but some for their own genuine reasons.

There are many movies that I absolutely adore but I am sure you would hate, however I am confident enough in myself to be able accept this and discuss the merits/flaws of any films.

This is a discussion board if you can&#39;t accept that people are going to argue against you then this really is the wrong place for you. You need to take a step back really look at the way I&#39;ve posted and ask yourself why you are attacking me.

Cue unintelligible insulting comeback. ;)

*Makes note to self that arguing with children probably won&#39;t get him anywhere.*

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 17:14
i think u people r a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen
They actually saw revolutions so that they cud whine on forums and other places &#33;&#33;

" Man the matrix really sucks cuz a "INTELLIGENT" person like me cudn&#39;t get it"

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheese
03-17-2004, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 10:44
i think u people r a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen
How do you manage to post with a straight face Michelle? You&#39;ve been dissing everyone in this thread about not understanding the film and being an ass when most of your posts make you sound like an incoherent 11 year old.

Are you even old enough to see this film?

And reading back you were so calm at the begiining of this thread...thanking unreal_dude for the explanation but then you started flaiming people like myself. What happened did daddy stop your allowance?

Boo-fucking-hoo.

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese
There you go talking to me like a child again...sad because I thought you were an intelligent poster.

Was that all you cud gather?? Come on i know you can write more intelligent posts than this &#33;&#33;

Also can you tell me wot philosophy and "Mythology" was missing frm the sequels ??

Plus i m also interested in knowing as to how mervy was a mirror self of neo ??

If you have reasons plz do explain.............

marshall
03-17-2004, 12:24 PM
ohhhh did i hurt ur feelings withcheese

i only get irritated with those people who crib bout movies that is beyond their understanding .................forget understanding .......but not even giving a thought to it is absurd ..

Busyman
03-17-2004, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese+17 March 2004 - 08:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 17 March 2004 - 08:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-marshall@17 March 2004 - 10:44
i think u people r&nbsp; a big ass

if u people fucking hate the movie so much y the hell didnt you enquire bout the movie first before seeing it

and if u r sayin u saw reloaded just&nbsp; because u liked matrix 1 then y the hell did u watch revolutions when u didnt like reloaded


like i said before u people r the biggest ass ne body has seen
How do you manage to post with a straight face Michelle? You&#39;ve been dissing everyone in this thread about not understanding the film and being an ass when most of your posts make you sound like an incoherent 11 year old.

Are you even old enough to see this film? [/b][/quote]
.........not without a parent. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You see Matrix fans, what happened here is someone criticized your precious film and instead your resorted to insults.

You did not make the film.

You do not know the directors personally

Why be shattered over even an insul to "your" film?

There is no bandwagon to dislike "your" film. We fucking didn&#39;t like it. We wanted to like it or the lot of us wouldn&#39;t have spent actual money too see it.

You fans need to get a life due to taking a movie too seriously.

I heard someone say that they can&#39;t help it. What the fuck are you, a mental patient? I can not like the movie for whatever REASON I want.

What are you going to do, change my mind AFTER the movie? ;)

btw the reason you fans are getting slammed is because you take yourselves to seriously and are critcizing the actual people for not liking our movie.
No one here called you stupid or an ass for liking the movie.

Go outside and play or make a new friend. You&#39;ll feel better

Cheese
03-17-2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by unreal_dude+17 March 2004 - 11:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unreal_dude &#064; 17 March 2004 - 11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese
There you go talking to me like a child again...sad because I thought you were an intelligent poster.

Was that all you cud gather?? Come on i know you can write more intelligent posts than this &#33;&#33;

Also can you tell me wot philosophy and "Mythology" was missing frm the sequels ??

Plus i m also interested in knowing as to how mervy was a mirror self of neo ??

If you have reasons plz do explain.............[/b][/quote]

Was that all you cud gather?? Come on i know you can write more intelligent posts than this &#33;&#33;

You&#39;re taking this too personally, calm down.


Also can you tell me wot philosophy and "Mythology" was missing frm the sequels ??


Plus i m also interested in knowing as to how mervy was a mirror self of neo ??

The key to the success of the first film (which I think we can all agree we all enjoyed) was the creation of a fascinating fictional world and the concepts that this raised. The sequels didn&#39;t match up to this, it was a tall order to do so. The first film was engaging for the audience and challenged them on many levels. I think they messed up in the sequel.

The architect&#39;s speech being a case in point, it simply doesn&#39;t hold water for me and doesn&#39;t make much sense (this isn&#39;t me not getting it, it is just that it does indeed make no valid sense) the only reason I can see for this is that the Architect has a "flawed world view" which the Oracle tells Neo.

To myself, the sequels are a rather dodgy reworking of christian mythology...the Architect is god, an uncaring nigh-on inaccessible creator. But more importantly for me Merovingian is Lucifer (he is the ruler of the darker side of The Matrix) he is what Neo could be if he gave up on the real world (not saying this occurs to Neo but as an audience we can see what power could be gained by one as powerful as Neo in the Matrix). But the most obvious reference is Neo himself, he is a christ figure and in case we don&#39;t get it the Wac brothers actually have him in the classic Christ-crucifixation pose at the end of the film.

The final battle is the triumph of blind faith over atheism. (Interesting to note that Neo is indeed blinded).





Sidenote: Don&#39;t take this the wrong way unreal_dude but you really shiuld get a life and give this up...people don&#39;t like your precious film. End of story.

You have (at this time) made 90 posts on this board, 41 of them in this thread (that is nearly half).

Someone needs to get a life:

I&#39;m actually pissing myself laughing. (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?s=&act=Stats&CODE=who&t=102177)

Cheese
03-17-2004, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 11:24
ohhhh did i hurt ur feelings withcheese

i only get irritated with those people who crib bout movies that is beyond their understanding .................forget understanding .......but not even giving a thought to it is absurd ..
Aren&#39;t you one of the people who had to read someone elses explanation to the film before you truly understood it?

And I quote:


Nice Explanation there unreal_dude1, your explanation answered a lot of questions that have risen so far in my mind

i can&#39;t think of a better explanation of "The Matrix Triology"


Keep up the good work

And no fortunately you didn&#39;t "hurt my feelings" as I don&#39;t take these things seriously at all (besides that I post in The Lounge which is full of teh hate).

vish_cometrue
03-17-2004, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+17 March 2004 - 00:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 17 March 2004 - 00:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@16 March 2004 - 07:05
Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race&#39;s enemy isn&#39;t the machines but the human race itself.
you reap what you sew? is that the grand concept that all the "haters" are just not educated enough to understand? i woulda thunk we all had a firm handle on that one because it&#39;s been one of the most common, predictable themes in literature & drama since the tragedy plays of ancient greece.

excerpt from a play by some dude who died a few thousand years ago:
oracle: "do something wrong, and fate is gonna kick you in the ass&#33; it is going to be ironic as all get out, and you will feel like a damn fool."
hero: "whoa. dude."
oracle: "but if you do good... well, i can&#39;t make any promises. fate is prolly still gonna kick you in the ass."
hero: "holy shit. that sucks."

if that&#39;s the essence of the whole trilogy, what the whole thing really boils down to, i gotta say that i think Witchcheese is right-- the Wachowski brothers had a chance to deal with some really complicated, futuristic, hardball philosophical issues... and they squandered it by focusing on the same old traditional themes that have already been done to death, and dressing it up in a slick new wrapper. it paid lip service to the PKD themes ("what is reality? who is truly human?"), but the plot was so passionless and concerned with having the characters build a house of cards out of technical jargon and corny riddles... it&#39;s not coherent enough to make the audience care about the cosmic implications of being jacked in, or of artificial intelligence. it&#39;s like buying a car from General Motors, and instead of a car they just give you a huge pile of car parts and say "i dunno... i didn&#39;t feel like putting it together completely. i guess you can figure it out, yourself. oh yeah, and some of the gears are missing." [/b][/quote]
Is this what u found out about the essence of the trilogy? To be true, I haven&#39;t heard or seen anything more absurd. Also this speaks volumes about ur understanding of cinema. Man u got the whole Matrix story upside down, didn&#39;t u?

And by the way, what were u saying about all the common and predictable themes?
As far as I can see, all Hollywood movie plots revolve around good vs. evil. Even legendary ones like Star Wars and LOTR (which are among my eternal favourites) tell us a good vs. evil story. Now by no means does Matrix tell us a good vs. evil story. Don&#39;t get started on telling every1 that Neo is good and Agent Smith is evil and that Neo wins in the end. Because if thats what u found out from the movie, it will only prove that u in fact understood nothing.

Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn&#39;t get from the movie.
Now don&#39;t tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn&#39;t have been asking such questions&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

What on earth does that make u think it&#39;s predictable? In almost every way, Matrix has been a trend-setting trilogy. Whether it&#39;s the fabulous visual effects, screenplay, direction, performances etc etc. All Hollywood movies - big budget ones or B-graders try to copy the Matrix effects and the Matrix-style of story narration. I cannot recollect a single movie (not even sci-fi ones) which have integrated philosophy and technology so deeply. And The Wac Bros. have executed their story brilliantly by their style of narration. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR STYLE OF STORY NARRATION IS THAT THEY NEVER SPOON-FEED the story to the audience. Believe me, in no way would the Matrix trilogy be effective without this style of story narration. All that "technical jargon" that u think is inappropriate is very essential to the story. I think maybe u might have watched too many B-grade action flicks which try to imitate Matrix-style visual effects, which in turn has led u to lose flair for original, thought-provoking cinema.

As far as passionless plots are concerned, I would only like to say that passion does not mean "crying aloud" or "intimate scenes". People use "passion in movies" in a very generic way. The Matrix movies have a lot of passion in them. Without passion, the Wac. Bros. wouldn&#39;t even have dared to make the trilogy. But then.........it&#39;s ur way to look at it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Still sorry to say.....but it&#39;s the wrong way&#33;

marshall
03-17-2004, 01:31 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset, matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot

marshall
03-17-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue+17 March 2004 - 13:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vish_cometrue @ 17 March 2004 - 13:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@17 March 2004 - 00:26
<!--QuoteBegin-unreal_dude@16 March 2004 - 07:05
Man creates his own problem and is the only one able to solve them. The human race&#39;s enemy isn&#39;t the machines but the human race itself.
you reap what you sew? is that the grand concept that all the "haters" are just not educated enough to understand? i woulda thunk we all had a firm handle on that one because it&#39;s been one of the most common, predictable themes in literature & drama since the tragedy plays of ancient greece.

excerpt from a play by some dude who died a few thousand years ago:
oracle: "do something wrong, and fate is gonna kick you in the ass&#33; it is going to be ironic as all get out, and you will feel like a damn fool."
hero: "whoa. dude."
oracle: "but if you do good... well, i can&#39;t make any promises. fate is prolly still gonna kick you in the ass."
hero: "holy shit. that sucks."

if that&#39;s the essence of the whole trilogy, what the whole thing really boils down to, i gotta say that i think Witchcheese is right-- the Wachowski brothers had a chance to deal with some really complicated, futuristic, hardball philosophical issues... and they squandered it by focusing on the same old traditional themes that have already been done to death, and dressing it up in a slick new wrapper. it paid lip service to the PKD themes ("what is reality? who is truly human?"), but the plot was so passionless and concerned with having the characters build a house of cards out of technical jargon and corny riddles... it&#39;s not coherent enough to make the audience care about the cosmic implications of being jacked in, or of artificial intelligence. it&#39;s like buying a car from General Motors, and instead of a car they just give you a huge pile of car parts and say "i dunno... i didn&#39;t feel like putting it together completely. i guess you can figure it out, yourself. oh yeah, and some of the gears are missing."
Is this what u found out about the essence of the trilogy? To be true, I haven&#39;t heard or seen anything more absurd. Also this speaks volumes about ur understanding of cinema. Man u got the whole Matrix story upside down, didn&#39;t u?

And by the way, what were u saying about all the common and predictable themes?
As far as I can see, all Hollywood movie plots revolve around good vs. evil. Even legendary ones like Star Wars and LOTR (which are among my eternal favourites) tell us a good vs. evil story. Now by no means does Matrix tell us a good vs. evil story. Don&#39;t get started on telling every1 that Neo is good and Agent Smith is evil and that Neo wins in the end. Because if thats what u found out from the movie, it will only prove that u in fact understood nothing.

Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn&#39;t get from the movie.
Now don&#39;t tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn&#39;t have been asking such questions&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

What on earth does that make u think it&#39;s predictable? In almost every way, Matrix has been a trend-setting trilogy. Whether it&#39;s the fabulous visual effects, screenplay, direction, performances etc etc. All Hollywood movies - big budget ones or B-graders try to copy the Matrix effects and the Matrix-style of story narration. I cannot recollect a single movie (not even sci-fi ones) which have integrated philosophy and technology so deeply. And The Wac Bros. have executed their story brilliantly by their style of narration. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR STYLE OF STORY NARRATION IS THAT THEY NEVER SPOON-FEED the story to the audience. Believe me, in no way would the Matrix trilogy be effective without this style of story narration. All that "technical jargon" that u think is inappropriate is very essential to the story. I think maybe u might have watched too many B-grade action flicks which try to imitate Matrix-style visual effects, which in turn has led u to lose flair for original, thought-provoking cinema.

As far as passionless plots are concerned, I would only like to say that passion does not mean "crying aloud" or "intimate scenes". People use "passion in movies" in a very generic way. The Matrix movies have a lot of passion in them. Without passion, the Wac. Bros. wouldn&#39;t even have dared to make the trilogy. But then.........it&#39;s ur way to look at it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Still sorry to say.....but it&#39;s the wrong way&#33; [/b][/quote]
MARK MY WORDS VISH_COMETRUE MARK THEM WELL

THEY WONT UNDERSTAND THIS EXPLAINATION ALSO

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by withcheese+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (withcheese)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The key to the success of the first film (which I think we can all agree we all enjoyed) was the creation of a fascinating fictional world and the concepts that this raised. The sequels didn&#39;t match up to this, it was a tall order to do so. The first film was engaging for the audience and challenged them on many levels. I think they messed up in the sequel.[/b]
Agreed &#33;&#33;


Originally posted by withcheese+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (withcheese)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The architect&#39;s speech being a case in point, it simply doesn&#39;t hold water for me and doesn&#39;t make much sense (this isn&#39;t me not getting it, it is just that it does indeed make no valid sense) the only reason I can see for this is that the Architect has a "flawed world view" which the Oracle tells Neo.[/b]

I disagree if it wudnt have been for that speech even i would have joined you. The speech unravels alot of things that were still unclear. i know many ppl are pissed with it cuz it came when ppl expected action and all they got was talk.

<!--QuoteBegin-withcheese@
To myself, the sequels are a rather dodgy reworking of christian mythology...the Architect is god, an uncaring nigh-on inaccessible creator. But more importantly for me Merovingian is Lucifer (he is the ruler of the darker side of The Matrix) he is what Neo could be if he gave up on the real world (not saying this occurs to Neo but as an audience we can see what power could be gained by one as powerful as Neo in the Matrix). But the most obvious reference is Neo himself, he is a christ figure and in case we don&#39;t get it the Wac brothers actually have him in the classic Christ-crucifixation pose at the end of the film.
[/quote]
when did this strike you man &#33;&#33; With all due respect i dont agree with u, the film has got nethng to do with any religion .........Christianity, hinduism, buddhism. Wot ails most explanation is that they try to connect it to religion &#33;&#33; But read the latest one i posted and it is very very simple.


<!--QuoteBegin-withcheese
Sidenote: Don&#39;t take this the wrong way unreal_dude but you really shiuld get a life and give this up...people don&#39;t like your precious film. End of story.

You have (at this time) made 90 posts on this board, 41 of them in this thread (that is nearly half).

Someone needs to get a life:
[/quote]

Seriously man can i help it if i have 40 posts in this thread alone. Or for that matter does posting in one thread shows that i have get a life. I dont think so ......i might have joined the board long ago ,.......but it is very recently that i have started posting regularly. Seriously man i dont take nethng personally unless the other person becomes personal.

Cheese
03-17-2004, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by marshall@17 March 2004 - 12:31
:lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:


Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset,&nbsp; matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot
I haven&#39;t read any explanations of The Matrix around but to say that The Matrix has no connection to christian mythology (not the bible by itself ) is very naive.

1. Neo dies and is ressurected to save mankind. Also there is even a prophecy to go with this.

2. Names: Trinity, Zion, Seraph and others all have religious connections.

3. Neo when at the end in his crucifixation pose.

4. The architect in his white room, obvious reference as the creator. For feck sake he created the Matrix he is obviously it&#39;s "god" either that or KFC paid some large amount of money to get some in product advertisemnt.

5. Mervy (as unreal_dude would say) is the devil, as I said he rules the dark side of the matrix. His name, Merovingian, has religious background being the descandants of Jesus. His wife also has a religious name (though not christian).

6. Smith in the real world, first thing he does is cut his palms like christ.


That&#39;s what I remember of the top of my head, and I&#39;m sure if I took your advice and rewatched the two sequels I could find a hundred such references to the bible.

So my question is does the Matrix have a connection to the bible?

Cheese
03-17-2004, 01:54 PM
@unreal_dude: I apologize for telling you to get a life, that&#39;s me trying to be funny.

But come on, the Matrix has NO connection to religion? You really believe that?

vish_cometrue
03-17-2004, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 12:56

The key to the success of the first film (which I think we can all agree we all enjoyed) was the creation of a fascinating fictional world and the concepts that this raised.&nbsp; The sequels didn&#39;t match up to this, it was a tall order to do so.&nbsp; The first film was engaging for the audience and challenged them on many levels.&nbsp; I think they messed up in the sequel.

The architect&#39;s speech being a case in point, it simply doesn&#39;t hold water for me and doesn&#39;t make much sense (this isn&#39;t me not getting it, it is just that it does indeed make no valid sense) the only reason I can see for this is that the Architect has a "flawed world view" which the Oracle tells Neo.

To myself, the sequels are a rather dodgy reworking of christian mythology...the Architect is god, an uncaring nigh-on inaccessible creator.&nbsp; But more importantly for me Merovingian is Lucifer (he is the ruler of the darker side of The Matrix) he is what Neo could be if he gave up on the real world (not saying this occurs to Neo but as an audience we can see what power could be gained by one as powerful as Neo in the Matrix).&nbsp; But the most obvious reference is Neo himself, he is a christ figure and in case we don&#39;t get it the Wac brothers actually have him in the classic Christ-crucifixation pose at the end of the film.

The final battle is the triumph of blind faith over atheism. (Interesting to note that Neo is indeed blinded).





Sidenote: Don&#39;t take this the wrong way unreal_dude but you really shiuld get a life and give this up...people don&#39;t like your precious film.&nbsp; End of story.

You have (at this time) made 90 posts on this board, 41 of them in this thread (that is nearly half).

Someone needs to get a life:

I&#39;m actually pissing myself laughing. (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?s=&act=Stats&CODE=who&t=102177)
Well....the Matrix sequels are no "dodgy reworking" of Christian mythology. True that the Matrix movies have borrowed some ideas from Christian, Buddhist and Hindu mythology, but that dosen&#39;t mean they have re-worked the whole thing. There are some refernces which may be appropriate like Morpheus being an equivalent to the serpent Loki who lured Adam (Neo) to bite the forbidden fruit. In other words, Morpheus&#39; most important contribution in the whole trilogy was to show Neo the real world and leave that world known as the Matrix which was built "to blind people from the truth". Also there are some ides like "karma" which are borrowed from Hindu mythology. But u don&#39;t have to seriously search for mythological relations to each and every scene. Because there aren&#39;t any.

All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

marshall
03-17-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese+17 March 2004 - 13:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 17 March 2004 - 13:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-marshall@17 March 2004 - 12:31
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset, matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot
I haven&#39;t read any explanations of The Matrix around but to say that The Matrix has no connection to christian mythology (not the bible by itself ) is very naive.

1. Neo dies and is ressurected to save mankind. Also there is even a prophecy to go with this.

2. Names: Trinity, Zion, Seraph and others all have religious connections.

3. Neo when at the end in his crucifixation pose.

4. The architect in his white room, obvious reference as the creator. For feck sake he created the Matrix he is obviously it&#39;s "god" either that or KFC paid some large amount of money to get some in product advertisemnt.

5. Mervy (as unreal_dude would say) is the devil, as I said he rules the dark side of the matrix. His name, Merovingian, has religious background being the descandants of Jesus. His wife also has a religious name (though not christian).

6. Smith in the real world, first thing he does is cut his palms like christ.


That&#39;s what I remember of the top of my head, and I&#39;m sure if I took your advice and rewatched the two sequels I could find a hundred such references to the bible.

So my question is does the Matrix have a connection to the bible? [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheese
03-17-2004, 02:08 PM
All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.

@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese+17 March 2004 - 19:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 17 March 2004 - 19:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-marshall@17 March 2004 - 12:31
:lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:


Still stuck in the bible theory tht was posted on net

matrix has no connection with bible

some of the keywords might refresh your memory withcheese

programs hacking programs, at some point a program was written to govern air , sunrise, sunset,&nbsp; matrix is only a dreamworld etc...

i would really suggest giving the movie another shot
I haven&#39;t read any explanations of The Matrix around but to say that The Matrix has no connection to christian mythology (not the bible by itself ) is very naive.

1. Neo dies and is ressurected to save mankind. Also there is even a prophecy to go with this.

2. Names: Trinity, Zion, Seraph and others all have religious connections.

3. Neo when at the end in his crucifixation pose.

4. The architect in his white room, obvious reference as the creator. For feck sake he created the Matrix he is obviously it&#39;s "god" either that or KFC paid some large amount of money to get some in product advertisemnt.

5. Mervy (as unreal_dude would say) is the devil, as I said he rules the dark side of the matrix. His name, Merovingian, has religious background being the descandants of Jesus. His wife also has a religious name (though not christian).

6. Smith in the real world, first thing he does is cut his palms like christ.


That&#39;s what I remember of the top of my head, and I&#39;m sure if I took your advice and rewatched the two sequels I could find a hundred such references to the bible.

So my question is does the Matrix have a connection to the bible? [/b][/quote]
Sorry man with all due respect to the bible .....i havent read it or even touched it. Not a single word. So it&#39;s obvious that i dint look into that angle at all. When a simple explanantion as the one i posted stands b4 me why complicate things more futher.

Btw Trinity also refers to a god in hindu religion. Also i think a lot of references have been made to a lot of religions but then .......my point is keep it out of the matrix ......it is gonna confuse you more and more.........cuz when you will b thinking abt a chracter in the movie u will also keep the religious equivalent of him in mind and also compare then both &#33;&#33;

Abt architect i see him as the programmer of the matrix and none one else. He isn&#39;t the machine god either. I dont think god would enslave his own ppl.

BTW this is turning out to b a pretty good debate &#33;&#33; LOL if we cud have more sensible ppl here.But only 2 debate ....not whine or crib.

Cheese
03-17-2004, 02:21 PM
Well I&#39;m a little worried about the obsessiveness that is going on here, obviously I was totally wrong about this film and your posts have shown me the light. I retract everything bad I said about the films (including my disparraging comments on Mr.Reeves acting and my aluding to Trinity being a man).

Please don&#39;t send the Trenchcoat Mafia (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/325054.stm) after me I promise to be good and form all my opinions based upon that of other people&#39;s.

Been a real blast guys. ;)

Spider_dude
03-17-2004, 02:22 PM
neo was a catholic. it is a known fact

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 02:37 PM
Please don&#39;t send the Trenchcoat Mafia after me I promise to be good and form all my opinions based upon that of other people&#39;s.

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

Atleast ppl are lightning up now&#33;&#33; :)

3RA1N1AC
03-17-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@17 March 2004 - 05:31
Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn&#39;t get from the movie.
Now don&#39;t tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn&#39;t have been asking such questions&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
did my reference to greek tragedy not suggest that i understand the indifference of fate? if you check a few pages back, i mentioned a bill murray movie called "groundhog day." if you care to stop yelling about how much i apparently don&#39;t understand about le cinema, and how i am most likely a backpeddling liar who just makes shit up... you can click through the thread, verify the groundhog day post, and think about why i would mention such a movie in a matrix thread.

and it&#39;s causality, not casuality. ;)

Cheese
03-17-2004, 02:51 PM
Okay if we can all be sensible then tha&#39;s cool.

I would like to know people&#39;s opinions on who Seraph is? I&#39;ve seen some theories on this today but I&#39;m interested in yours...your own. :lol: ( I realise this question has been asked before on other forums but come on I&#39;m interested now)

Cheese
03-17-2004, 02:58 PM
why the squids don&#39;t just kill THE LAST REMAINING defender

I know why the squids didn&#39;t kill the last defender...it&#39;s because the Merovingian wasn&#39;t the only one who was FRENCH.

marshall
03-17-2004, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.
@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

First off its Marshall not Michelle if u put on ur specs u might be able 2 see properly

secondly there is no connections of religions in the movie

Programs do not believe in god Humans do

As the name suggests THE MATRIX meaning computer generated dreamworld so no question of religion
as of now try not to combine matrix with Religions

u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

oracle was designed to understand human psyche she had from the beggining positioned neo as the savour of mankind inside morpheus&#39;s head. she exactly new this would make the zion people less believe on the reality that the machines r gonna come to zion since the people of zion believed more in morpheus


as for your asking who is seraph recollect

in Matrix Reloaded

Neo: These are back doors, aren&#39;t they? Programmer access.

Seraph: [nods]

Neo: How do they work?

Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.

Neo: Are you a programmer?

Seraph: [shakes head]

Neo: Then what are you?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most. (clearly indicates he is a guardian of oracle)

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 20:21
Okay if we can all be sensible then tha&#39;s cool.

I would like to know people&#39;s opinions on who Seraph is? I&#39;ve seen some theories on this today but I&#39;m interested in yours...your own. :lol: ( I realise this question has been asked before on other forums but come on I&#39;m interested now)
Seraph is the guardian of the oracle. He is like a "firewall" who must protect the oracle from ppl like merv. B)

Also this guy seraph has a little side story to himself But then it is very vague, but then ppl have tried nonetheless in deducing it too. I believe in keepin it simple.

Btw this little side story suggests that the seraph originally served the Merovingian or Deus Ex himself. But since he is also a program he can be more associated with merv.
This can also blow up into a full scale debate. So i m not commenting much on it. :rolleyes:

Cheese
03-17-2004, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by marshall+17 March 2004 - 15:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 17 March 2004 - 15:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.
@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

First off its Marshall not Michelle if u put on ur specs u might be able 2 see properly

secondly there is no connections of religions in the movie

Programs do not believe in god Humans do

As the name suggests THE MATRIX meaning computer generated dreamworld so no question of religion
as of now try not to combine matrix with Religions

u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

oracle was designed to understand human psyche she had from the beggining positioned neo as the savour of mankind inside morpheus&#39;s head. she exactly new this would make the zion people less believe on the reality that the machines r gonna come to zion since the people of zion believed more in morpheus


as for your asking who is seraph recollect

in Matrix Reloaded

Neo: These are back doors, aren&#39;t they? Programmer access.

Seraph: [nods]

Neo: How do they work?

Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.

Neo: Are you a programmer?

Seraph: [shakes head]

Neo: Then what are you?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most. (clearly indicates he is a guardian of oracle)[/b][/quote]
Michelle: what I&#39;m saying is that there is, for want of a better word, a lot of religious imagery in the film. Seraph for instance is a rank of angel in Theology, which raises interesting questions about his role in the film. But I digress.

There is a lot of religious connatations in the film whether you choose to believe they are connected to the story or not.


u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

Then why are there so many religious names in the film? Why would the Wac brothers do this, just because the names sound cool or are the names there to give greater sigificance to the characters?

Remember names ARE important in this movie:

NEO: Anagram of ONE.

Agent Smith: As an agent he is supposed to pass through human populance without being noticed, thus the use of one of the worlds most common names.

If the names of these characters has some significance then why not others.

I really think you&#39;re wrong when you say that the names don&#39;t mean anything.

And my question on Seraph, which once again you&#39;ve missed the point on, is who he really is and where he came from. You must really think I&#39;m stupid, it&#39;s getting a bit ridiculous now.

unreal_dude
03-17-2004, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by marshall+17 March 2004 - 22:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 17 March 2004 - 22:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.
@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

First off its Marshall not Michelle if u put on ur specs u might be able 2 see properly

secondly there is no connections of religions in the movie

Programs do not believe in god Humans do

As the name suggests THE MATRIX meaning computer generated dreamworld so no question of religion
as of now try not to combine matrix with Religions

u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

oracle was designed to understand human psyche she had from the beggining positioned neo as the savour of mankind inside morpheus&#39;s head. she exactly new this would make the zion people less believe on the reality that the machines r gonna come to zion since the people of zion believed more in morpheus


as for your asking who is seraph recollect

in Matrix Reloaded

Neo: These are back doors, aren&#39;t they? Programmer access.

Seraph: [nods]

Neo: How do they work?

Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.

Neo: Are you a programmer?

Seraph: [shakes head]

Neo: Then what are you?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most. (clearly indicates he is a guardian of oracle) [/b][/quote]
Hey there are a lot of anagrams in the Matrix &#33;&#33;
like
Neo = One = Eon
Sati = Sita (Hindu Mythology)
Mobil = Limbo
Seraph = Phrase = Phaser (LOL dont ask me wot this means)

And btw i gave sum thought 2 your religious point of view to the whole matrix theory .... But then that might b the way your are interpreting the movie. Wotever way u interpret it the movie certainly isnt worthless or anythng &#33;

And btw for that religious viewpoint abt the merovingian ......this is wot i found out .........merovingian is derived from Merovingian Dynasty of kings who are supposed 2 be direct descendents of Christ. I also remember one of my friends telling me that Merovingian is related to Hades and all. But like i said i approached the story from a different point of view ...........call it Technical .....but thats me. Also i m not a Christian and/or i havent got a chance 2 read the bible .........so i dunno nuthin of it ......

:)

Cheese
03-17-2004, 06:55 PM
Merovingian is a line of kings that were supposed to be descended from Jesus (after his ressurection and a bit of how&#39;s-your-father with Mary Magdelene).

It&#39;s Merovingian&#39;s wife that is related to Hades (the name at least), Persephone
was the wife of Hades. So yet another reference to Merv. being the ruler of the underworld (though obviously this theory isn&#39;t for everyone&#33;)

I think it shows that at least the Wac brothers took the time when naming their characters, each name holds some significance to their character. It&#39;d be interesting to look into the other names...see what comes up. :)

marshall
03-18-2004, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 18:55
Merovingian is a line of kings that were supposed to be descended from Jesus (after his ressurection and a bit of how&#39;s-your-father with Mary Magdelene).

It&#39;s Merovingian&#39;s wife that is related to Hades (the name at least), Persephone
was the wife of Hades. So yet another reference to Merv. being the ruler of the underworld (though obviously this theory isn&#39;t for everyone&#33;)

I think it shows that at least the Wac brothers took the time when naming their characters, each name holds some significance to their character. It&#39;d be interesting to look into the other names...see what comes up. :)

hey chuse
as i said before matrix is a movie that is completely related to technical world and doesnt have any relation with religions "IMO"

as far as u r pointing out the names ofcourse the wac bros had to think specific names for each character they cant just go around and name the characters

think if morpheus was named Withcheese
"Man, wht a disaster that movie would have been"

naming always requires some amount of thinking

IMO the wac bros never took the matrix triology in "The Religious Movie" direction

if u understand technical terms then u might also agree that in the matrix movie they is no connection to any religion

btw if u were wondering wht chuse means it means "baby chicken"
:lol:

Cheese
03-18-2004, 01:45 AM
hey chuse
as i said before matrix is a movie that is completely related to technical world and doesnt have any relation with religions "IMO"

I think we&#39;ll have to agree to disagree...to me the film has more than one level, it is not purely a technical film neither is it a religious film. It has elements of both blended together.

I&#39;ve not said that the wac brothers tried to make a religious movie but they have borrowed an awful lot from christian mythology and other religions at the same time. I think IMO if you look at it as purely a technical film then you really are missing something out of it.


if u understand technical terms then u might also agree that in the matrix movie they is no connection to any religion

This is a bit puzzling though...are you suggesting I don&#39;t understand technical terms? I can assure you that is simply not the case. :lol:

Anyhow check out my new av, it&#39;s a "baby chicken" :lol:

vish_cometrue
03-18-2004, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+17 March 2004 - 14:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC @ 17 March 2004 - 14:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vish_cometrue@17 March 2004 - 05:31
Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn&#39;t get from the movie.
Now don&#39;t tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn&#39;t have been asking such questions&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
did my reference to greek tragedy not suggest that i understand the indifference of fate? if you check a few pages back, i mentioned a bill murray movie called "groundhog day." if you care to stop yelling about how much i apparently don&#39;t understand about le cinema, and how i am most likely a backpeddling liar who just makes shit up... you can click through the thread, verify the groundhog day post, and think about why i would mention such a movie in a matrix thread.

and it&#39;s causality, not casuality. ;) [/b][/quote]
Ya I know it&#39;s causality. Just a spelling mistake&#33;&#33;&#33; But frankly, whatever I have seen from ur posts dosen&#39;t suggest u got the theme right at all. I retaliated to ur opinion that "matrix was based on very predictable themes". And I have already given u explanations for that.

3RA1N1AC
03-18-2004, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by vish_cometrue@17 March 2004 - 21:06
But frankly, whatever I have seen from ur posts dosen&#39;t suggest u got the theme right at all. I retaliated to ur opinion that "matrix was based on very predictable themes".
paul atreides.

http://shipofdreams.net/sfmovies/dune/duel.jpg

and i don&#39;t see where retaliation is supposed to come in. do you have a fragile ego that lives and dies by other people&#39;s opinions of a movie? take a valium.

internet.news
03-19-2004, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 13:08

All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.

@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?
Fool&#33;

- it&#39;s about a man who finds out he&#39;s a robot and learns to fly using mobile phones. Find me a screenshot of any shepherd or Frankenstein - bible my ass.



lmao - Withcheese pwned twice in the same thread



n00b :P

Cheese
03-19-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by samsamsamsam+19 March 2004 - 15:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (samsamsamsam @ 19 March 2004 - 15:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 13:08

All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.

@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?
Fool&#33;

- it&#39;s about a man who finds out he&#39;s a robot and learns to fly using mobile phones. Find me a screenshot of any shepherd or Frankenstein - bible my ass.



lmao - Withcheese pwned twice in the same thread



n00b :P [/b][/quote]
Shut up spam-boy :angry: I didn&#39;t even know you knew how to post anywhere but the lounge&#33;?&#33; (And anyhow didn&#39;t you leave? :blink: )

Anyhow is this the bible theory people have been going on about? I havent read it yet, but I&#39;ll print it off and see what sense I can make from it.

http://awesomehouse.com/matrix/The_Matrix.PDF

unreal_dude
03-20-2004, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Withcheese+19 March 2004 - 22:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 19 March 2004 - 22:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by samsamsamsam@19 March 2004 - 15:15
<!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 13:08

All those ideas about Architect being God and Neo being Christ&#33;&#33;&#33; Well....I don&#39;t agree with them. And Christ is God after all, isn&#39;t He? So how can that be?

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.

@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?
Fool&#33;

- it&#39;s about a man who finds out he&#39;s a robot and learns to fly using mobile phones. Find me a screenshot of any shepherd or Frankenstein - bible my ass.



lmao - Withcheese pwned twice in the same thread



n00b :P
Shut up spam-boy :angry: I didn&#39;t even know you knew how to post anywhere but the lounge&#33;?&#33; (And anyhow didn&#39;t you leave? :blink: )

Anyhow is this the bible theory people have been going on about? I havent read it yet, but I&#39;ll print it off and see what sense I can make from it.

http://awesomehouse.com/matrix/The_Matrix.PDF [/b][/quote]
Hey due since u r so interested in the religious side of the trilogy .....this is a good theory i found and it also made some sense &#33;&#33;

The Matrix Revolutions Explained (http://wylfing.net/essays/matrix_revolutions.html)

:lol:

marshall
03-22-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Unreal_dude
Also this guy seraph has a little side story to himself But then it is very vague, but then ppl have tried nonetheless in deducing it too. I believe in keepin it simple.

Btw this little side story suggests that the seraph originally served the Merovingian or Deus Ex himself. But since he is also a program he can be more associated with merv.
This can also blow up into a full scale debate.

i gave ur transcript another shot but could not get where it is said tht seraph is linked with merv

could u explain the point briefly :helpsmile: