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Gemby!
10-06-2004, 08:32 PM
Agree or disagree ?

Here's a quote from ''Enduring love'' by Ian McEwan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/gemby/enduringlovequote.jpg

It's the first underlined sentance.

i was just curious as to wether you lot think the same ( that you need language in order to think) or you disagree with it ( that you can think without language)
Mr. Mulder
10-06-2004, 08:33 PM
I disagree.
RGX
10-06-2004, 08:33 PM
You can think without language, and i'm pretty sure thats easy to prove.
TheRealDave
10-06-2004, 08:34 PM
Agree or disagree ?

Here's a quote from ''Enduring love'' by Ian McEwan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/gemby/enduringlovequote.jpg

It's the first underlined sentance.

i was just curious as to wether you lot think the same ( that you need language in order to think) or you disagree with it ( that you can think without language)
is this a way of getting us to do your homework for you? :lol:
tesco
10-06-2004, 08:35 PM
You can think about pictures in your mind so language isn't really required to think.
Gemby!
10-06-2004, 08:36 PM
@ the real dave - nah my homework is an essay on the first chapter of the book, i was just interested in this line :P
enoughfakefiles
10-06-2004, 08:37 PM
You can think about pictures in your mind so language isn't really required to think.

But what would you call these pictures.?? :blink:
Rat Faced
10-06-2004, 08:42 PM
You dont think in words :blink:
Gemby!
10-06-2004, 08:42 PM
You can think without language, and i'm pretty sure thats easy to prove.
It's just as easy to come up with points against it though.
bujub22
10-06-2004, 08:42 PM
cave ppl crunted at each other and it was'nt consider'd a language
but they understood each other

so i disagree
tesco
10-06-2004, 08:44 PM
But what would you call these pictures.?? :blink:

nothing...you just think images.

imagine how hard it would have been to start a language. :frusty:
Gemby!
10-06-2004, 08:44 PM
You dont think in words :blink:
Yes you do :P

How do you decide what you are going to write in posts ?? by thinking about what you are going to type :P
RGX
10-06-2004, 08:45 PM
Thats just a medium through which our thoughts are translated so we can understand each other surely...
manker
10-06-2004, 08:47 PM
I agree.

Language is means of communication. Your thoughts are communicated throughout your brain via synapses. Whether in pictoral form or not. Bees communicate, Cavemen communicated. Every animal capable of cognitive thought communicates. Language is a very broad term.

Without language there could be no thought.
Gemby!
10-06-2004, 08:49 PM
holy crap !

i've started a completely serious topic of discussion that im actually interested in :o

and its so hard to prove it wrong, or right for that fact
enoughfakefiles
10-06-2004, 08:50 PM
I agree.

Language is means of communication. Your thoughts are communicated throughout your brain via synapses. Whether in pictoral form or not. Bees communicate, Cavemen communicated. Every animal capable of cognitive thought communicates. Language is a very broad term.

Without language there could be no thought.

Agreed.Try thinking of an object without thinking of the name of it.???
DanB
10-06-2004, 08:51 PM
holy crap !

i've started a completely serious topic of discussion that im actually interested in :o

and its so hard to prove it wrong, or right for that fact


I knew you had it in you :01:
RGX
10-06-2004, 08:55 PM
Agreed.Try thinking of an object without thinking of the name of it.???

Done. Can't tell you what it is though . :P

It's relativley easy to prove, a perfect example stated by Manker. Bees "dance" to communicate with each other, yet they have no word based language....unless you define dancing as language.
bujub22
10-06-2004, 08:56 PM
Agreed.Try thinking of an object without thinking of the name of it.???


fo shizzle -i cant think of a pic for that
RGX
10-06-2004, 08:57 PM
fo shizzle -i cant think of a pic for that

He said object joob joob.
enoughfakefiles
10-06-2004, 08:58 PM
fo shizzle -i cant think of a pic for that


And the googlebot say`s.

http://www.mattdowell.org/powell_fo_shizzle.jpg

:lol: :lol:
manker
10-06-2004, 08:59 PM
Done. Can't tell you what it is though . :P

It's relativley easy to prove, a perfect example stated by Manker. Bees "dance" to communicate with each other, yet they have no word based language....unless you define dancing as language.

Dancing is just as valid a language as if the bee spoke and said 'Mate - there's a flower over there'

What about body language, is that not allowed either :P

Edit: Actually, you said it all. Only just realised. Language is not restricted to the spoken word.
Everose
10-06-2004, 11:51 PM
I have a step son who is deaf, has never spoken or heard language. He was taught to communicate through sign language. He surely had thoughts before he had a language.

Or even a little baby. They communicate their wants and needs, but what of their thoughts?
Gemby!
10-07-2004, 07:21 PM
I have a step son who is deaf, has never spoken or heard language. He was taught to communicate through sign language. He surely had thoughts before he had a language.

Or even a little baby. They communicate their wants and needs, but what of their thoughts?
see its hard to prove right or wrong :P