A Voter Fraud Thread For Ruthie

[BigBank_Hank]

Just for you and RF (http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm)

[Busyman]

This is interesting. I never paid attention to the Drudge Report and didn't know he was partisan.

His report is clear spin.

The DNC blurb said nothing about "declaring voter intimidation---even when none exists".

I get the point of the DNC blurb though.

Translation:

Launch a preemptive strike to curb voter intimidation. (Duh. :blink: )
Futhermore, do this especially in places where voter intimidation has happened before.
This acknowledges that there was voter fraud before and to draw attention those areas to put it under a microscope.

If one bothers to actually read the DNC blurb instead of being spoon fed propaganda, the reports simply talks about

reviewing Republican tactics used in the past
expressing concern
quoting leadership denouncing tactics to discourage people from voting
not accepting advertising that have false claims on voting requirements

Ya gotta read this stuff folks.

I find nothing wrong with it. Plus The Drudge Report is clearly adding words that amount to lies.

Once again I think many see through this so called report.

I am not impressed again. :dry:

I understand when people try stuff like this it's just coy politicking but the folks that actually buy this shit is scary.

RIF

[vidcc]

I can't see any problem with it either..it's pointing ways to combat an area that previously had a problem.

[Rat Faced]

Just for you and RF (http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm)

And?

Your point is?

[ruthie]

The fact that you show anything from the Drudge report shows your bias. i do not only look to progressive news outlets for sources. I go to both sides, and then I continue to dig.
There was/is voter fraud in Nevada,Oregon, Florida, and who knows where else?

[BigBank_Hank]

The fact that you show anything from the Drudge report shows your bias. i do not only look to progressive news outlets for sources. I go to both sides, and then I continue to dig.
There was/is voter fraud in Nevada,Oregon, Florida, and who knows where else?


I can’t believe that you of all people have the audacity to call me biased. Every single thread that you start here and in the old WN&E is something that’s anti Bush.

This also comes from the person who started an entire thread about the big CBS new story about Bush’s National Guard service.

[Rat Faced]

I can’t believe that you of all people have the audacity to call me biased. Every single thread that you start here and in the old WN&E is something that’s anti Bush.

This also comes from the person who started an entire thread about the big CBS new story about Bush’s National Guard service.

BigHank, theres a difference..

ruthie has never used pravda or Socialist Worker as a source....

[ruthie]

I can’t believe that you of all people have the audacity to call me biased. Every single thread that you start here and in the old WN&E is something that’s anti Bush.

This also comes from the person who started an entire thread about the big CBS new story about Bush’s National Guard service.

silly Hank...believe it. I start threads about things I'm interested in...like the failures of Bush, Bush is a criminal, the war is illegal, and such.
Yup...I posted the story when I saw it...documents were fake, story isn't, in my opinion.
audacity? nah. LOL

[BigBank_Hank]

Well maybe in your eyes a credible source is a document made at kinkos but not in mine.

[ruthie]

No, you prefer Drudge. I don't mind acknowledging rather's fuck up..he did fuck up. Most people know Bush is a liar

[BigBank_Hank]

silly Hank...believe it. I start threads about things I'm interested in...like the failures of Bush, Bush is a criminal, the war is illegal, and such.
Yup...I posted the story when I saw it...documents were fake, story isn't, in my opinion.
audacity? nah. LOL


Funny how the only threads that seem to interest are all anti Bush.

Interesting no, agenda driven yes.

[Rat Faced]

Well maybe in your eyes a credible source is a document made at kinkos but not in mine.

OK, well here's the truth about the Balkans...

Truth about the Balkans (http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/14445_Milosevic.html)


Of course i dont believe it, and I was in Bosnia...

However the source is as unbiased as your own...just coming from the other side of the spectrum....

[ruthie]

Funny how the only threads that seem to interest are all anti Bush.

Interesting no, agenda driven yes.

Agenda? Of course I've got an agenda...to get Bush out of the white house. To stop further destruction of the US, to stop the New World Order agenda. Of course I'm driven. so are you...we are just at oppisite ends of the spectrum

[Busyman]

ruthie is I, I am ruthie.

We are one, one are we.

You sound like me a whollllllle lot.

I'm in love.

[ruthie]

awww, shucks.

[ruthie]

Hey there, hank. Even your beloved fox news (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135382,00.html) put a report on their site about the fraud.
Seems there is an investigation (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-sproul14oct14,1,3532412.story) by the attorney general in Oregon.
Guess we'll have to see how this one turns out.
By the way, did you hear about the computer crashes (http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5032400.html) in Florida for their dry run of the vote?
Go ahead..tall me how much trust you have in the Bush administration...again.ROFL

[Rat Faced]

Hey there, hank. Even your beloved fox news (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135382,00.html) put a report on their site about the fraud.
Seems there is an investigation (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-sproul14oct14,1,3532412.story) by the attorney general in Oregon.
Guess we'll have to see how this one turns out.
By the way, did you hear about the computer crashes (http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5032400.html) in Florida for their dry run of the vote?
Go ahead..tall me how much trust you have in the Bush administration...again.ROFL

Fox News

Must be true then
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[BigBank_Hank]

Hey there, hank. Even your beloved fox news (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135382,00.html) put a report on their site about the fraud.
Seems there is an investigation (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-sproul14oct14,1,3532412.story) by the attorney general in Oregon.
Guess we'll have to see how this one turns out.
By the way, did you hear about the computer crashes (http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5032400.html) in Florida for their dry run of the vote?
Go ahead..tall me how much trust you have in the Bush administration...again.ROFL

You have to register to read the article on the computer crashes.

The one thing that you failed to mention about the computer crash is that all of the data is saved to individual memory cartridges so no of the information was actually lost. It would slow down things considerably if this was to happen but the overall outcome wouldn’t be affected.

[vidcc]

By the way, did you hear about the computer crashes (http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5032400.html)in Florida for their dry run of the vote?

New Rule: Florida has to sit this election out.

You know, you'd think after the year 2000, they would have made sure to get it right this time. But, no, even Jimmy Carter - a man who has seen more Third World hellholes than a lesbian couple trying to adopt; even he says Florida is not ready for an election. So, sorry, Florida, you're going to have to take that Tuesday off and just treat yourself to an extra hurricane.

a funny guy

[ruthie]

Lemme help you there, Hank. Here (http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031778527502&path=!nationworld&s=1037645509161) is another source, found by doing a simple search.

[ruthie]

Hmmm..looks like there are even more problems (if possible) afoot. Check this out.


Voting Rights Machinery Doubted
GAO Says Justice Is Unprepared for a Flood of Complaints
By Jo Becker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 15, 2004; Page A07


The Justice Department is ill prepared to handle a large influx of complaints about voting rights violations in the Nov. 2 presidential election, according to a report released yesterday by the Government Accountability Office.

Campaign experts predict that the department's voting rights section will be flooded with calls and complaints about poll access and other irregularities in the face of a close race between President Bush and Democrat John F. Kerry and uncertainty over the effects of changes in election law and procedures. Some fear a repeat of the 2000 deadlock over the presidential election results in Florida.

The Justice Department "lacks a clear plan" to reliably document and track allegations in a manner that could allow monitors to swiftly pick up patterns of abuse and take corrective steps, according to the GAO, Congress's nonpartisan investigative arm.

"The reason it's so important to collect this information is to look for patterns in a particular county or in a particular polling place," said William O. Jenkins Jr., who prepared the report at the request of three Democratic lawmakers. "For instance, is it only Democrats or Republicans that seem to be having this problem? Were different voters told different things?"

The Justice Department said it has put in place better reporting and tracking mechanisms since the GAO report draft was completed in August and has devoted significant resources to ensuring that election reform laws passed since 2000 are followed.

"Additionally, as the GAO report points out, the Civil Rights Division, at the direction of the Assistant Attorney General, has worked with civil rights leaders, state and local election officials, and U.S. Attorneys' Offices prior to election day to help ensure that citizens' voting rights are protected," spokesman Eric Holland said in a prepared statement.

The report comes amid criticism by Democrats that the Justice Department is too focused on pursuing allegations of voter fraud and trumpeting terrorism concerns that could scare people away from the polls, at the expense of its mission to safeguard the right to vote.

The Justice Department said it plans to deploy 1,700 civil rights monitors to key states on Election Day. But with more than 200,000 polling places nationwide, the department will be able to cover only a fraction of the facilities.

In 2000, the report found, the department relied on contractors to handle a record number of call-in complaints. The contractors' logs were imprecise, the report found, and did not track complaints at all in four states: Arkansas, Kansas, Montana and North Dakota.

Democrats who requested the report blasted the department.

Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) said it was "inexcusable" that the "Justice Department does not have the systems in place that are necessary to respond to reports of voters being turned away from the polls on Election Day."

New voting rules cited in the report as potentially problematic vary from state to state and continue to change.

In Ohio, for instance, a federal court yesterday reversed a ruling by the secretary of state and said that "provisional ballots" must be counted regardless of whether they were cast in the correct precinct.

Provisional ballots must for the first time be given to people nationwide who show up at the polls and do not find their names on the rolls of registered voters. They will be counted if it can be determined after Election Day that the voter was in fact eligible. Other federal courts have ruled differently, and legal battles are ongoing in battleground states including Florida.

Meanwhile, new problems crop up daily. In Wisconsin, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, a co-chair of Kerry's state campaign, and Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, a co-chair of Bush's state campaign, are wrangling over the number of ballots that election officials should make available in the city. Barrett wants more, saying the city could run out; Walker has said the request is excessive and poses potential problems of ballot security.

Staff writer Dan Eggen contributed to this report.
from The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33573-2004Oct14.html?referrer=email)

[ruthie]

Here is another one. Gee, Hank, thanks for starting this thread. There is just so damned much to expose.


Block the Vote
By PAUL KRUGMAN

arlier this week former employees of Sproul & Associates (operating under the name Voters Outreach of America), a firm hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters, told a Nevada TV station that their supervisors systematically tore up Democratic registrations.

The accusations are backed by physical evidence and appear credible. Officials have begun a criminal investigation into reports of similar actions by Sproul in Oregon.

Republicans claim, of course, that they did nothing wrong - and that besides, Democrats do it, too. But there haven't been any comparably credible accusations against Democratic voter-registration organizations. And there is a pattern of Republican efforts to disenfranchise Democrats, by any means possible.

Some of these, like the actions reported in Nevada, involve dirty tricks. For example, in 2002 the Republican Party in New Hampshire hired an Idaho company to paralyze Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts by jamming the party's phone banks.

But many efforts involve the abuse of power. For example, Ohio's secretary of state, a Republican, tried to use an archaic rule about paper quality to invalidate thousands of new, heavily Democratic registrations.

That attempt failed. But in Wisconsin, a Republican county executive insists that this year, when everyone expects a record turnout, Milwaukee will receive fewer ballots than it got in 2000 or 2002 - a recipe for chaos at polling places serving urban, mainly Democratic voters.

And Florida is the site of naked efforts to suppress Democratic votes, and the votes of blacks in particular.

Florida's secretary of state recently ruled that voter registrations would be deemed incomplete if those registering failed to check a box affirming their citizenship, even if they had signed an oath saying the same thing elsewhere on the form. Many counties are, sensibly, ignoring this ruling, but it's apparent that some officials have both used this rule and other technicalities to reject applications as incomplete, and delayed notifying would-be voters of problems with their applications until it was too late.

Whose applications get rejected? A Washington Post examination of rejected applications in Duval County found three times as many were from Democrats, compared with Republicans. It also found a strong tilt toward rejection of blacks' registrations.

The case of Florida's felon list - used by state officials, as in 2000, to try to wrongly disenfranchise thousands of blacks - has been widely reported. Less widely reported has been overwhelming evidence that the errors were deliberate.

In an article coming next week in Harper's, Greg Palast, who originally reported the story of the 2000 felon list, reveals that few of those wrongly purged from the voting rolls in 2000 are back on the voter lists. State officials have imposed Kafkaesque hurdles for voters trying to get back on the rolls. Depending on the county, those attempting to get their votes back have been required to seek clemency for crimes committed by others, or to go through quasi-judicial proceedings to prove that they are not felons with similar names.

And officials appear to be doing their best to make voting difficult for those blacks who do manage to register. Florida law requires local election officials to provide polling places where voters can cast early ballots. Duval County is providing only one such location, when other counties with similar voting populations are providing multiple sites. And in Duval and other counties the early voting sites are miles away from precincts with black majorities.

Next week, I'll address the question of whether the votes of Floridians with the wrong color skin will be fully counted if they are cast. Mr. Palast notes that in the 2000 election, almost 180,000 Florida votes were rejected because they were either blank or contained overvotes. Demographers from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission estimate that 54 percent of the spoiled ballots were cast by blacks. And there's strong evidence that this spoilage didn't reflect voters' incompetence: it was caused mainly by defective voting machines and may also reflect deliberate vote-tampering.

The important point to realize is that these abuses aren't aberrations. They're the inevitable result of a Republican Party culture in which dirty tricks that distort the vote are rewarded, not punished. It's a culture that will persist until voters - whose will still does count, if expressed strongly enough - hold that party accountable.

from The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?oref=login)

[Busyman]

ruthie that's all bullshit and I point you to The Drudge Report that Hank cited below. It clearly shows that DNC is making all these stories to....uh...get more votes? :unsure:
Just for you and RF (http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm)

[ruthie]

Great minds think alike. ROFL

[BigBank_Hank]

Next time could you possibly post article from newspapers that are a little more liberal? And you got the never to get upset when I posted something from Drudge :dry:

This whole thing about provisional ballots and disenfranchised voters is crap. Look if you don’t know where to vote and you show up at the wrong place and your vote isn’t counted that’s your own damn fault. If you are to stupid to figure out where you have to go to cast your vote then you are to stupid to vote for the President.

[ruthie]

Hank...you are totally full of shit.

[Rat Faced]

Next time could you possibly post article from newspapers that are a little more liberal? And you got the never to get upset when I posted something from Drudge :dry:

This whole thing about provisional ballots and disenfranchised voters is crap. Look if you don’t know where to vote and you show up at the wrong place and your vote isn’t counted that’s your own damn fault. If you are to stupid to figure out where you have to go to cast your vote then you are to stupid to vote for the President.

Hey, I posted from somewhere as biased as yours Hank...dont i get any credit? :unsure:

[ruthie]

You miss the point entirely, hank, or you choose to ignore the illegal activity of purposely disenfranchising voters, tearing up registration forms, refusing to have enough ballots on hand. What is it you don't get, or is the box you think in so deeply ingrained that you can't see the reality of what is going on

[BigBank_Hank]

Hey, I posted from somewhere as biased as yours Hank...dont i get any credit? :unsure:

Sorry bout that RF. Credit given where credit is due.

[BigBank_Hank]

You miss the point entirely, hank, or you choose to ignore the illegal activity of purposely disenfranchising voters, tearing up registration forms, refusing to have enough ballots on hand. What is it you don't get, or is the box you think in so deeply ingrained that you can't see the reality of what is going on

And what is it with you crazy democrats who want convicted felons and the deceased to cast votes?

[Rat Faced]

Sorry bout that RF. Credit given where credit is due.

Glad you admit Pravada is as Biased as The Drudge Report...

Very good of you ;)

[ruthie]

And what is it with you crazy democrats who want convicted felons and the deceased to cast votes?
Yes, I think convicted felons should have the right to vote. You might want to read what Coretta Scott King (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/03/naacp.anniversary.ap/) has to say about it. You refuse to acknowledge the truth..the facts. You need to educate yourself, wake up, and look at the truth. You are judgemental, hank, and it stinks of elitism.

[Busyman]

And what is it with you crazy democrats who want convicted felons and the deceased to cast votes?

You are a media lapdog man.

No one said anything of the sort yet you group folks into what you hear on the news.

You are one of those, "I heard that (suchandsuch) does (suchand such) ........" gossip believers but only when it doesn't go against your thinking. One of the damned. :(

I remember something similar in history regarding grouping anyone accused of being a communist as a traitor.

With the thinking that I get a hint of on this board and with our congressman, etc, I'm almost inclined to believe that affirmative action still may need to stay in place longer.
If there is quarky thinking in one respect (with added stupidity), I imagine it to be in others as well. :dry:

[ruthie]

Also, any voter experiencing problems on Election Day should call the Election Protection hotline, at (866) OUR-VOTE (http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=100480)

[vidcc]

And what is it with you crazy democrats who want convicted felons and the deceased to cast votes?
I believe that felons that have served their time and legally returned to society should be allowed to vote and it shouldn't have to be at the discretion of the governor to grant clemency....not the ones still in the "big house" though.

I agree the deceased should be barred from voting.........................








As long as the brain dead are barred from being president :lol:

[ruthie]

I agree the deceased should be barred from voting.........................


As long as the brain dead are barred from being president :lol:

You are just too funny. ROFLMAO

[BigBank_Hank]

You are one of those, "I heard that (suchandsuch) does (suchand such) ........" gossip believers but only when it doesn't go against your thinking. One of the damned. :(


This isn’t just one of those things that was made up and circulated around the internet. There have been plenty of books numerous articles written about that subject, one in particular is in my sig. I can’t remember exact totals but the number was in the thousands of those who had cast illegal ballots in the last election. Would you like to take a guess who they voted for?

[ruthie]

So, in a very indirect, convoluted way, are you now agreeing there is a huge problem with the voting system?

[Rat Faced]

This isn’t just one of those things that was made up and circulated around the internet. There have been plenty of books numerous articles written about that subject, one in particular is in my sig. I can’t remember exact totals but the number was in the thousands of those who had cast illegal ballots in the last election. Would you like to take a guess who they voted for?


There certainly was.

There were thousands in Florida that voted from abroad after the they should have, just for starters... who did they vote for again?

[ruthie]

I just loved when the Republican Party, in Florida sent bulletins or whatever to their voters to get an absentee ballot to make sure their vote counted.

[BigBank_Hank]

That was the last election. Since then there have been new laws written in to try and prevent those types of things again.

If this election isn’t a landslide on either side it will probably be worse than the 2000 election. There are lawyers at the ready on both sides ready to pounce if it’s close.

[Rat Faced]

That was the last election. Since then there have been new laws written in to try and prevent those types of things again.

If this election isn’t a landslide on either side it will probably be worse than the 2000 election. There are lawyers at the ready on both sides ready to pounce if it’s close.


:01: :01:

2 cave ins, in 1 day, im on a role....

[ruthie]

That was the last election. Since then there have been new laws written in to try and prevent those types of things again.

If this election isn’t a landslide on either side it will probably be worse than the 2000 election. There are lawyers at the ready on both sides ready to pounce if it’s close.

Wrong


Jul 29, 2004

Florida Republicans Tell Some Voters to Skip Touchscreens, Vote Absentee
By Brent Kallestad
Associated Press Writer


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Republican Gov. Jeb Bush has tried for months to persuade Florida voters touchscreen voting machines are reliable. His own party apparently hasn't gotten the message.
The state GOP paid for a flier critical of the new technology and sent it to some south Florida voters where a primary election is scheduled next month.

"The new electronic voting machines do not have a paper ballot to verify your vote in case of a recount," the message states. "Make sure your vote counts. Order your absentee ballot today."

That's what Democrats and a coalition of civil rights groups have been saying in legal challenges, trying to force the state to provide a paper trail in case the touchscreen machines malfunction.

"It is insulting that the leadership's own party would believe that the system is broke," said Sharon Lettman Pacheco, spokeswoman for People for the American Way.

The machines are being used in 15 of the state's largest counties.

The governor, unaware of the mailing beforehand, wasn't happy.

"I think he was disappointed that there would be any message that's out there that criticizes these machines," Bush spokeswoman Jill Bratina said.

Neither was President Bush, whose picture was featured on the GOP flier. "We did not authorize the use of the president's image," said campaign spokesman Reed Dickens. "It was inappropriate. I speak for the president and it does not represent the views of the president."

Earlier this week, state election officials reported that a computer crash erased detailed records from Miami-Dade County's first widespread use of the touchscreen machines in the 2002 gubernatorial primaries and other elections. AP-ES-07-29-04 2041EDT

TBO.com (http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBQJJBL9XD.html)

I suggest you do a little more research, Hank. This was big news when it happened.

[Rat Faced]

That was the last election. Since then there have been new laws written in to try and prevent those types of things again.

If this election isn’t a landslide on either side it will probably be worse than the 2000 election. There are lawyers at the ready on both sides ready to pounce if it’s close.

The Laws were also there to prevent it in the last election in Florida... strange huh?

[BigBank_Hank]

Look what I said earlier in this thread:


The one thing that you failed to mention about the computer crash is that all of the data is saved to individual memory cartridges so no of the information was actually lost. It would slow down things considerably if this was to happen but the overall outcome wouldn’t be affected.

[Rat Faced]

Look what I said earlier in this thread:

So, they knew the system didnt work in July?

Then why is it still being implemented, when they know its not upto the purpose?

[Busyman]

This isn’t just one of those things that was made up and circulated around the internet. There have been plenty of books numerous articles written about that subject, one in particular is in my sig. I can’t remember exact totals but the number was in the thousands of those who had cast illegal ballots in the last election. Would you like to take a guess who they voted for?
Alas some gossip may be true but you pay attention...


only when it doesn't go against your thinking. One of the damned. :(

[ruthie]

Oh boy..who would have thought....


Early Florida voting hits some bumps
Oct. 18: NBC's Kerry Sanders reports from Miami, as Florida opened early voting Monday for the Nov. 2 election.
Nightly News


MIAMI - Early voting for the presidential election began in Florida on Monday as activists urged people to opt for early ballots to avoid a repeat of the 2000 election fiasco, but computer problems and long lines soon emerged.

With memories still fresh of 2000, when the race in the key battleground state was so close it triggered weeks of recounts and lawsuits, black and elderly voters in particular lined up to cast ballots two weeks before the Nov. 2 election.

“It was embarrassing last time. Florida looked like a third world country,” said Marie Bond, adding she was voting early "because I want my vote to count.”

“I don’t want the same like the last election,” echoed Haitian American Jean-Jacques Ardoun as he waited in a line of several hundred that snaked from inside the Miami-Dade government center outside. “Last time they took the votes and threw them in the garbage.”

Key battleground
Florida decided the 2000 election for President Bush after the U.S. Supreme Court halted the recounts, and both Bush and his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry, have campaigned vigorously in the state.

As the voting began Kerry was in West Palm Beach — at the center of the 2000 debacle because many voters were confused by the county’s ballot design. Bush, who won Florida by 537 votes in 2000, was due in Boca Raton later Monday.

New technology, such as ATM-style touch-screen voting machines, has replaced the punch card ballots that caused so much chaos in the last election.

Nevertheless, a plethora of independent poll watching groups, the Democrats and Bush’s Republicans are urging voters to take advantage of early voting to avoid problems.

More than two dozen states offer “no excuse” early voting by either mail or in person, meaning voters do not have to give a reason. Some states, such as Nevada, Iowa and West Virginia, have already begun. Texas, Arkansas and Colorado also started Monday.
MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6271968/)