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One man is not the people.
He lies about everything else, been convicted of it in fact, so i wouldnt be surprised if he lied @ the Whitehouse too.
However, as i havent seen the speech in question, i cant really say whether he looked sincere, i'll just have to take your word for it.
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
One man is not the people.
He lies about everything else, been convicted of it in fact, so i wouldnt be surprised if he lied @ the Whitehouse too.
However, as i havent seen the speech in question, i cant really say whether he looked sincere, i'll just have to take your word for it.
Yes-I looked for Bush's right hand; it was nowhere in sight-methinks it was wearing an Iraqi puppet.
BTW-what was Talabani convicted of, and who convicted him?
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Ah, my mistake... he was the Terrorist.
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1934: Born into a landowning family in Koy Sanjak in the Irbil Province.
1947: Joins the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP).
1951: Becomes member of the central committee of the KDP.
1953: Starts studying law at Baghdad University.
1954: Is elected Secretary General of the Kurdistan Students Union.
1959: Obtains a law degree from Baghdad University, and starts practicing as lawyer.
1961: Becomes head of the KDP Peshmerga ("Freedom fighters").
1966: Leaves the KDP and founds an alternative KDP.
1970: Rejoins the KDP. He moves to Beirut, later to Damascus, serving as KDP's envoy.
1975: Founds the Kurdish Workers League.
1976: Joins with the Social Democratic Movement and forms the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK).
1980 With the start of the Iran-Iraq War Talabani joins forces with KDP in opposing the government in Baghdad.
1987: Forms the iraqi Kurdistan Front together with KDP, under the protection of Iran. They establish small pockets of Kurdish areas liberated from Baghdad.
1988: Iraq reconquers the liberated Kurdish areas. Talabani flees to Syria.
1991 March: Central in starting a Kurdish uprising against the central government of Baghdad, which would lead to a flood of 1.5 million Kurdish refugees.
1992 May: Elections in the Kurdish areas, under the protection of Western countries. Talabani became leader together with Masud Barzani of KDP.
1994 May: The coalition breaks down, and PUK troops wage partisan war with KDP, resulting in more than 1,000 dead.
1995: With a new stability coming to Kurdistan, Talabani finds himself controlling an area with about 2 million inhabitants. In order to find resources for the administration, he made advances towards the government in Teheran. KDP and Baghdad reacted, and forced KDP and PUK to cooperate.
1996 August: New fighting between KDP and PUK. At one point Talabani had lost all his territory, but reconquered all but Irbil with the aid of Iran.
2003: With the US initiative, Talabani agrees to cooperate with KDP against the regime of Saddam Hussein.
— Talabani breaches his agreement with KDP, and has his forces take control over Kirkuk.
2004: Forms the Democratic Patriotic Alliance of Kurdistan (DPAK) together with Barzani and KDP.
2005 January 30: DPAK wins 104 of the 111 seats in Kurdish National Assembly and 75 seats of 275 in the transitional Iraqi National Assembly.
2005 April 6: Is elected president of Iraq.
Its the Deputy Prime Minister thats the fraudster...
Talabani just changes sides all the time and doesnt seem to know what he believes in... or believes in what is good for him at any particular time.
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He seems as (dis)honorable as any other candidate, then.
However, he stood within an arm's-reach of Bush, and is thus his puppet.
Obviously.
Rat-
In any case, had I not asked my question, he might have been left as you painted him, yes?
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Indeed.
I would have continued to consider him merely dishonest.. my thanks :)
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The use of the word 'right hand' is reminding me of something.
I am remembering all the requests for help, before 9/11 even, by all the Iraqi people to our government. A lot of these people had been severely dismembered by Saddam and his regime. Limbs missing, both hands chopped off for no known reason sometimes. Horrible tortures and deaths. Many people made their way to the States, and are here now. Much pressure from the Iraqi's on our government to rid Iraq of Saddam and his regime.
Where are these people now? Why is their voice not being heard? Have they changed their minds and don't want democracy now?
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The use of the word 'right hand' is reminding me of something.
I am remembering all the requests for help, before 9/11 even, by all the Iraqi people to our government. A lot of these people had been severely dismembered by Saddam and his regime. Limbs missing, both hands chopped off for no known reason sometimes. Horrible tortures and deaths. Many people made their way to the States, and are here now. Much pressure from the Iraqi's on our government to rid Iraq of Saddam and his regime.
Where are these people now? Why is their voice not being heard? Have they changed their minds and don't want democracy now?
Once they come to the States, they lose all standing in their native country, as far as I'm concerned.
Same with the Jews.
Let the U.N. handle that stuff-they're good at that sort of thing.
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...and speaks insincerely about warm feelings for, and appreciation of, the U.S. efforts in Iraq.
The man was obviously lying, don't you think?
I saw him and some guy that looked like a (Iraqi?) general recently while doing some phone work Iwontmentionwhere. The general's uniform was a khacki greenish color.
A fella that worked in Iwontmentionwhere was telling me he was in line 'cause the first two Iraqi's were killed. Is that true?
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Originally Posted by Everose
The use of the word 'right hand' is reminding me of something.
I am remembering all the requests for help, before 9/11 even, by all the Iraqi people to our government. A lot of these people had been severely dismembered by Saddam and his regime. Limbs missing, both hands chopped off for no known reason sometimes. Horrible tortures and deaths. Many people made their way to the States, and are here now. Much pressure from the Iraqi's on our government to rid Iraq of Saddam and his regime.
Where are these people now? Why is their voice not being heard? Have they changed their minds and don't want democracy now?
Once they come to the States, they lose all standing in their native country, as far as I'm concerned.
Common sense tells me that is not true. My brother-in-law is Norwegian and maintains close contact with friends and family in Norway. So you are wrong there. Damnit that was fun to say! :lol: More like they are still speaking out but no one is listening. And to that I would have to ask why not? What have I missed here? I don't like it when I feel I am only getting a one sided view of things. Makes me suspicious, uncomfortable....like there is something there under the surface of things I am missing.
Same with the Jews.
You know, I have been giving this a lot of thought since you posted about that woman, I can't remember her name. What was her name? Since you posted her recommendations and speech to the UN. That struck me. Why would someone have to do this..? Why were there not immediate denials from the UN about this? I would have never heard about it had you not posted it on here. What is up with that? By golly, if my country was treating people this way, .... .... well, that fact would have been in my face day in, day out. I live right smack dab in the center of the conservative Bible belt (and I might mention, if anyone cares, that is a whole different experience than you read about in the press :lol: ). You would have thought that article would have been paraded all over the press here. I had to read it on here.
Let the U.N. handle that stuff-they're good at that sort of thing.
Not so sure about that now. Would like to be rid of this helping other country's peoples and start concentrating more on helping ourselves. Feel kind of selfish thinking that way. I really do. All the tax money spent on helping these Iraqi people achieve democracy could have been put to use here. How can we justify the loss of our lives, too, and other country's lives? I don't want to sound heartless, but I will have to say that at least with democracy, maybe in the long run the Iraqi's will have hope of the end of all the killing. They didn't have that hope with Saddam. Guess I am just becoming a selfish American. Have to say I wish I trusted the UN more. It should be their job, shouldn't it? But if I am remembering right, they don't even have enough juevos to enforce their own sanctions do they? Didn't Saddam basically laugh at them? Well, I would like a stronger UN, one everyone feels they could trust, I guess. I am starting to think that is impossible, though.
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Its a vicious circle...
US Treasury - Iraq/Military - US Companies ran by Bush's cronies - Directors/Shareholders of said companies - US Treasury.....
Oh, wait a minute, they dont pay all those taxes now, do they? :rolleyes:
But The Carlyle Group has managed to find a £1million per annum job for Blaire when he's ready, so thats alright then. :P
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Once they come to the States, they lose all standing in their native country, as far as I'm concerned.
Common sense tells me that is not true. My brother-in-law is Norwegian and maintains close contact with friends and family in Norway. So you are wrong there. Damnit that was fun to say! :lol: More like they are still speaking out but no one is listening. And to that I would have to ask why not? What have I missed here? I don't like it when I feel I am only getting a one sided view of things. Makes me suspicious, uncomfortable....like there is something there under the surface of things I am missing.
Same with the Jews. You know, I have been giving this a lot of thought since you posted about that woman, I can't remember her name. What was her name? Since you posted her recommendations and speech to the UN. That struck me. Why would someone have to do this..? Why were there not immediate denials from the UN about this? I would have never heard about it had you not posted it on here. What is up with that? By golly, if my country was treating people this way, .... .... well, that fact would have been in my face day in, day out. I live right smack dab in the center of the conservative Bible belt (and I might mention, if anyone cares, that is a whole different experience than you read about in the press :lol: ). You would have thought that article would have been paraded all over the press here. I had to read it on here.
Let the U.N. handle that stuff-they're good at that sort of thing.
Not so sure about that now. Would like to be rid of this helping other country's peoples and start concentrating more on helping ourselves. Feel kind of selfish thinking that way. I really do. All the tax money spent on helping these Iraqi people achieve democracy could have been put to use here. How can we justify the loss of our lives, too, and other country's lives? I don't want to sound heartless, but I will have to say that at least with democracy, maybe in the long run the Iraqi's will have hope of the end of all the killing. They didn't have.. that hope with Saddam. Guess I am just becoming a selfish American. Have to say I wish I trusted the UN more. It should be their job, shouldn't it? But if I am remembering right, they don't even have enough juevos to enforce their own sanctions do they? Didn't Saddam basically laugh at them? Well, I would like a stronger UN, one everyone feels they could trust, I guess. I am starting to think that is impossible, though.
Hmmm.
I have been fielding a losing argument imitating the hoi polloi.
I am therefore bound to cease the charade.
HUZZAH!!!
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Its a vicious circle...
US Treasury - Iraq/Military - US Companies ran by Bush's cronies - Directors/Shareholders of said companies - US Treasury.....
Oh, wait a minute, they dont pay all those taxes now, do they? :rolleyes:
But The Carlyle Group has managed to find a £1million per annum job for Blaire when he's ready, so thats alright then. :P
Methinks I spotted a Freudian slip prior to your edit, Rat.
Viscous circle, indeed!
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Its a vicious circle...
US Treasury - Iraq/Military - US Companies ran by Bush's cronies - Directors/Shareholders of said companies - US Treasury.....
Oh, wait a minute, they dont pay all those taxes now, do they? :rolleyes:
But The Carlyle Group has managed to find a £1million per annum job for Blaire when he's ready, so thats alright then. :P
Methinks I spotted a Freudian slip prior to your edit, Rat.
Viscous circle, indeed!
It's that too.. a circle made by slimey crap :P
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Methinks I spotted a Freudian slip prior to your edit, Rat.
Viscous circle, indeed!
It's that too.. a circle made by slimey crap :P
Oh.
I thought you were referencing the "oil" question... :huh:
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It's that too.. a circle made by slimey crap :P
Oh.
I thought you were referencing the "oil" question... :huh:
See? A slip that is true is oh so many ways...
And you recognised it as such.
Thank you for pointing this out. :)
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Oh.
I thought you were referencing the "oil" question... :huh:
See? A slip that is true is oh so many ways...
And you recognised it as such.
Thank you for pointing this out. :)
It is my functioning imperative. :angel_not
