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Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
Rant time...
Where I live the best upload speed available to me is basic ADSL, which puts out data at about 45KB/s. My ISP also throttles bittorrent traffic at peak times, so I am unable to leech or seed between 6pm and 11pm.
Back when I first started using private trackers (not that long ago), some time in 2007, I had absolutely no problems. I could download movies, tv shows, whatever and seed them back fine. At that time my max upload was even less... around 35KB/s! I could even download a full 360 game and seed it for just a few hours a day and eventually, after 2 or 3 weeks, it would be seeded to a ratio of 1.
Since people started using seedboxes though, it's just been impossible for me to seed things. Most of the leechers are gone within a few hours and they are completely gone within a couple of days. Even when there are leechers available, all the seedboxes in the swarm mean that I don't even get the opportuntity to seed to them. I tried a seedbox myself for a few months and it made seeding things so easy but after a while I simply couldn't afford it.
Obviously a certain number of seedboxes is a good idea, especially for uploaders to get an initial copy out there, but I seriously think they are ruining the private tracker experience. I know retention helps a bit but I really havn't got the hard drive space to keep seeding absolutely everything that I download for months.
I would like to get an idea of what other FST users think of this, especially people in a similar situation to me (using a shite UK ADSL line).
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Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
I only get 50k ul and i love the all the seedboxes. I love getting my stuff fast. You could look into some different trackers which are easier to seed back to (ipt, tl etc) or some fl trackers (f*n, g*t etc).
cheers
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Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
I couldn't agree with you more,
there are alot of rich kids who are doing BT simply to annoy their parents.
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first of all, switch your isp to BE if you happen to be in its good service zone. it gives you better upload speed of 150k/s. dont even think about virgin media's new 'fantastic 50Mb fibre optic broadband'' it's just bollocks, you dont get better upload speed than BE Pro and it's just a matter of time b4 they start a new traffic management.
secondly, keep away from public trackers as well as private tracker like TL which has been infiltrated by anti-piracy groups. you dont want to receive letters from Davenport Lyons or ACS:Law.
a seedbox might give you extra safety and aid to buffer your trackers.some trackers do not require you seedback everything to 1:1 by its rules so you might find it easier on some different trackers. you can also start using those non-ratio trackers so you dont really have to worry about low seeding speed.
as for using a seedbox, you dont really have to keep a seedbox forever if you find it too expensive under the bloody recession, rent a good box and work it hard on your buffers for one month then you can sit back to enjoy for many months after.
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It does make seeding harder for the regular joe using a ADSL connection, but i dont see seebox users going away anytime soon. i also struggled abit on some trackers some years ago, dont really notice it after i upgraded to a fiber optics connection tho.
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I have a seedbox and still agree with the OP.
Having to jump on every torrent that interests me within the first 10 seconds of it being upped isn't my idea of fun ( or how I want to spend my time for that matter).
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Agreed... even though I don't use Bittorrent I understand your frustration.
I was just looking back at a similar thread I started a couple years ago:
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Originally Posted by Skiz
I just uploaded a torrent which has gotten a lot of quick leechers. I saw that 20+ members jumped on in the first 5-10 minutes, so I should get a good amount of upload, right? Wrong.
Current stats:
27 seeders
6 leechers
1.146 ratio
:dry:
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Re: Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?
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Originally Posted by
johhn
first of all, switch your isp to BE if you happen to be in its good service zone. it gives you better upload speed of 150k/s. dont even think about virgin media's new 'fantastic 50Mb fibre optic broadband'' it's just bollocks, you dont get better upload speed than BE Pro and it's just a matter of time b4 they start a new traffic management.
secondly, keep away from public trackers as well as private tracker like TL which has been infiltrated by anti-piracy groups. you dont want to receive letters from Davenport Lyons or ACS:Law.
a seedbox might give you extra safety and aid to buffer your trackers.some trackers do not require you seedback everything to 1:1 by its rules so you might find it easier on some different trackers. you can also start using those non-ratio trackers so you dont really have to worry about low seeding speed.
as for using a seedbox, you dont really have to keep a seedbox forever if you find it too expensive under the bloody recession, rent a good box and work it hard on your buffers for one month then you can sit back to enjoy for many months after.
Short sighted.What you are saying is like "if you are frightened because everyone is carrying a gun then your best option is to carry one also."
The real source of the problem is that while speeds have increased the thinking of the people running trackers hasn't adapted to reflect that change.
With wide variance in what members have available to them steps should be taken to make torrenting a positive experience accessible to, if not all ,then most at least.
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That usually happens when you are the initial seeder. Everybody else will get a majority of the upload because you are simply putting out the data and is there job to spread it rapidly to their fellow peers
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The real source of the problem is that while speeds have increased the thinking of the people running trackers hasn't adapted to reflect that change.
some have
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I'm fed up but not FED UP. But I've got 20/5 fios and a giganews subscription to help.
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stoi
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The real source of the problem is that while speeds have increased the thinking of the people running trackers hasn't adapted to reflect that change.
some have
Yep your tracker is currently the only one that doesn't make me hesitate before starting a download. ;)
EDIT: For those telling me to get a faster connection... I can't. Fastest available here is ADSL 8192/448 which is what I have.
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stoi
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The real source of the problem is that while speeds have increased the thinking of the people running trackers hasn't adapted to reflect that change.
some have
Thought of you and FSC,that makes two .;)Any others?
My personal opinion is that trackers basically list ratio stats (and have userclasses ) to bend people's arms into being more active than they might otherwise be.What would happen if the only stats shown were total download( so people could still get an idea of activity) and whether you had a positive or negative ratio?
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What about the freeleech trackers.
and on BCG everyone should have a positive global ratio (actual ratio not so much).
But this is why we are working on the acheivement table for us, its something a little bit different, its just taken an age to code the classes into it.
there are 2 major factors though, epenis and P2L.
Most members like having the top rank, and a huge buffer so they dont have to worry (this doesnt work on BCG but on most trackers it does)
then you have P2L the more seedboxes there are, the more members struggle to keep a ratio, = the more members that pay for upload to stay on the site.
Obviously with that one you can have to many seedboxes, but even then, even if everyone on the tracker has a seedbox, there will still be some that cant keep a 1:1 ratio.
Seedboxes are both good and bad, on BCG i am like tripping, i can download anything i like without having to worry, and its not even a staff perk, every member can. but if i did join a global ratio tracker, i would be scared shitless to download anything, hence why i am not a member of anywhere else.
PS: I dont use a seedbox
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Well i think the bigger picture is the mentality that seedboxes have created which has been detrimental to trackers in general. While i do appreciate seedboxes as some use them responsibly, they have become so prolific that on many sites you need one to stay on. The mentality of instant gratification is now prevalent throughout torrents, examples of which are the lack of retention on many sites, the widespread acceptance of P2L/I, the preference of Free Leech on trackers as mandatory, the lack of appreciation for uploaders, the general "Me 1st" mentality which was not so wide spread before cheap servers.
The funny thing is i get requests for invites where the 1st thing they mention is the fact that they have 2-5 seedboxes, and it actually turns me off to inviting them as i think a good torrent user has other interest besides torrents and having that many seedboxes is a bit obsessive and speaks to there mentality. Sadly most seedbox owners tend to think that the answer is throwing money around, instead of actually taking the time to make friends and help build a community. I am glad i am part of a community which does not emphasize that aspect of torrenting.
What i dont understand is the fact that they seem to think they get the rls faster, which is somewhat true unless your actually going to WATCH the rls you downloaded, cuz then its actually seen at about the same time w/ or w/out the seedbox, since most still have to DL to there home via ftp
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I also share yre frustration mate. i was wit Virgin(max 45 kbps up speed), now I m wit Orange(got it free wit my mobile phone contract- max 40kbps) and I can say that both are pants. I m gutted, I cant surf the web while seeding, I have to borrow cds from my mate to keep a decent ratio on what.cd, and I got ratio 1 only after a cople of weex of seeding a xVid film on most of the trackers. At least Orange doesnt throttle the speeds at peak hours.
A few advices, if I may: get on the right trackers, expecially the ones where you shouldn't care about ratios. Also trackers wit seedeng rules(max 3:1) are allrite or the ones with seeding bonuses, just buy upload. I also sugest that you should have more than 4-5 trackers on yre bookmarks, cause keeping more than that will then be impossible. I also borrow my mates seedboxes when I m in trouble. BETHERE seems to be torrent-friendly althought I never tryed it. I ve also heard rumors that you can chip your ruter and ger 1Mb upload on Virgin. You may wanna google that.
As you can see you are not the only one fed up wit his isp and those with super ratios. I for instance cant see how a ratio of 10 and loads of trafic on yre seedbox could help you and the others around you. BT is about sharing between people not sharing beetween seedboxes. I had to stop using SCT for this reason...
Tara
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stoi
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The real source of the problem is that while speeds have increased the thinking of the people running trackers hasn't adapted to reflect that change.
some have
yes, some do.
but those, just like you, are a dying breed in the BT world.
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well if you have a slow connection...the best thing to do is just get a seedbox for a month or two get a pretty nice buffer and don't worry about it anymore...because its only going to get harder as time goes on...
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You are member to some fine trackers tippertime as I can understand from your sign
Except bcg and ScT that I'm not member in all the others what do you need the big buffer?
I'm with an average home connection and I really thank all the seedbox owners for downloading fast what I want, but I can't understand the need of buffering your account .
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tippertime
well if you have a slow connection...the best thing to do is just get a seedbox for a month or two get a pretty nice buffer and don't worry about it anymore...because its only going to get harder as time goes on...
What so seed my ass off for a couple of months so that I can just hit and run on everything after that? Not really the solution I am looking for. :lol:
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sez
I couldn't agree with you more,
there are alot of rich kids who are doing BT simply to annoy their parents.
Most seedbox users I know aren't "kids". Torrenting is normal for kids, it's not rebellious in any way.
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brightsid
You are member to some fine trackers tippertime as I can understand from your sign
Except bcg and ScT that I'm not member in all the others what do you need the big buffer?
I'm with an average home connection and I really thank all the seedbox owners for downloading fast what I want, but I can't understand the need of buffering your account .
We were not talking about buffering our accounts but keeping a decent ratio maty. Cause downloading wit 1.2Mbps and then uploading with max 10kbps(peak) aint grate at all
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Well with a 10kbs up connection probably I would have a problem in downloading what I want also :P . But I was talking about huge buffers I notice around
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This is right up there with the stupidest thing ive ever heard.
In those trackers where pre times and speeds are in demand i dont thing its going to work.
If any tracker im in and decides do limite uploads ill start to delete or just let it die period.
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What so seed my ass off for a couple of months so that I can just hit and run on everything after that? Not really the solution I am looking for.
Actually that's the only viable solution for you atm.Plus you don't necessarily have to hit and run(though nothing is off the table once the system has you off the radar :P)You can choose to leave your torrents on the client for upto at least the minimum seed time,that way whether they upload or not you would have at least done your part and you wont have to worry about losing your account due to low ratio unlike now(in essence you will have a ratioless tracker at least for a while if you aren't the heavy leecher type :yes: )
hope you get the solution you are seeking though.You do got brainz no doubt ;)
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Most seedbox users I know aren't "kids". Torrenting is normal for kids, it's not rebellious in any way.
That's outta context T.S.O.L<-and just curious is that "the sons of liberty"?
and by kids i didn't mean babies,if you read it as a metaphor it woulda made alot more sense.
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Most seedbox users I know aren't "kids". Torrenting is normal for kids, it's not rebellious in any way.
That's outta context T.S.O.L<-and just curious is that "the sons of liberty"?
and by kids i didn't mean babies,if you read it as a metaphor it woulda made alot more sense.
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Originally Posted by
Cokeman
If any tracker im in and decides do limite uploads ill start to delete or just let it die period.
Ya neva...
I bet yre one of there gheezas staring at the screen waiting for the latest torrent to come out o maximize yre seedbox speed... Do ya actually get to watch/listen/play/read the things you download/seed?? I bet not
I agree that seedboxes are all about speed but if there are 5-6 seeders per torrent you will easily get a decent download speed even is none of them uses a seedbox.
Anyway this is one of them who was first chicken or the egg threads. One thing is clear: seedbox owners make it harder for the rest of us to seed 1:1.
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Naw it's not sons of liberty, thats our news poster :P and I wasn't referring to babies either. Most ppl I know that use seedboxes are adults with jobs.
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get a seedbox
buffer your account
profit ?!!?
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stoi
What about the freeleech trackers.
My only bone of contention is that requirements for higher user classes are still based on upload.
Any idiot with a seedbox can make the highest userclass and still contribute next to nothing to the site(speaking from experience).
If you are going by such stats why not make progression dependent on download instead( as long as you are >1 of course).That at least takes away the advantage of speed over activity.
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Well they ARE spending their money to help others, so the rest don't have to all reach 1:1. I'm happy with them getting their "superhero" rank while I don't spend a cent and get my content fast and without a requirement to seed all the way back. Win-win.
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stoi
What about the freeleech trackers.
All no ratio trakers I m a member of still request a 1:1 ratio per torrent or, off course, 2-3 days total seeding time. And again we go back where we started, hard to seed 1:1.
A while ago I got in to bitseduce. I ve downloaded/seeded a couple of books an audiobook and a few other things. After 3 days my ratio was something like 0.0XX. Gutted. Asked a friend for help he offered my his sb, i ve only seeded one torrent (less than a gig, I dont know what it was, who cares?!?1?) and uploaded about 30 GB in a couple of days. Now my ratio was 15 something. And of course I ve quit seeding those other torrents, I couldnt see the point in doing it. Now I m asking: all you seedbox owners are doing the same? I hope not cause this is not the best way to help a tracker... not in my eyes anyway.
Cheers
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TrueSounds
Well they ARE spending their money to help others, so the rest don't have to all reach 1:1. I'm happy with them getting their "superhero" rank while I don't spend a cent and get my content fast and without a requirement to seed all the way back. Win-win.
I don't seem to be wearing the rose coloured glasses as you TrueSounds because I don't perceive the average seedbox owner as owning one in an effort to help others.
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lol @ rich ppl trying to piss off there parents
but yea real men dont use seedboxes :)
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If you pay for torrents, then why not just pay for Newsgroups, stuff pre's sometimes earlier than torrents and sometimes a few minutes later (depeding on the tracker....example, GhostBusters The Video Game pre'd and then it got released on Usenet less than 5 mintues later.), your downloads will be twice as fast (if not maxed out) and best of all you don't have to upload (seed).
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IdolEyes787
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Originally Posted by
TrueSounds
Well they ARE spending their money to help others, so the rest don't have to all reach 1:1. I'm happy with them getting their "superhero" rank while I don't spend a cent and get my content fast and without a requirement to seed all the way back. Win-win.
I don't seem to be wearing the rose coloured glasses as you TrueSounds because I don't perceive the average seedbox owner as owning one in an effort to help others.
It's true, I bet tons of ppl abuse it and download anything with big filesizes on the no ratio trackers, and then dump them when the initial leechers die off for the next big torrent. They do this just to get l33t ranks. I just don't look at someone with a huge upload count and see them as any better than a regular user. Maybe just eliminating classes like BCG did is the next step in progression. I don't know though, I mean FTN just introduced some crazy high req for those new ranks. It's really not a big deal to me at the end of the day. Doesn't affect me at all.
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ovisan
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Originally Posted by
Cokeman
If any tracker im in and decides do limite uploads ill start to delete or just let it die period.
Ya neva...
I bet yre one of there gheezas staring at the screen waiting for the latest torrent to come out o maximize yre seedbox speed... Do ya actually get to watch/listen/play/read the things you download/seed?? I bet not
I agree that seedboxes are all about speed but if there are 5-6 seeders per torrent you will easily get a decent download speed even is none of them uses a seedbox.
Anyway this is one of them who was first chicken or the egg threads. One thing is clear: seedbox owners make it harder for the rest of us to seed 1:1.
Dont DL music, games or books.
Just movies and tv series, unless im asked to get some.
Now of what i DL i watch about 75%, the rest i store it.
I only wait for torrents when tv season is up...
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IdolEyes787
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Originally Posted by
stoi
What about the freeleech trackers.
My only bone of contention is that requirements for higher user classes are still based on upload.
Any idiot with a seedbox can make the highest userclass and still contribute next to nothing to the site(speaking from experience).
If you are going by such stats why not make progression dependent on download instead( as long as you are >1 of course).That at least takes away the advantage of speed over activity.
The problem is with basing it on download, someone may just download 1 huge pack, or 10 360 games, or 1000 NDS games. what i am trying to say is, just because someone has downloaded 60 gig it may just be 1 torrent, or it could be 10, or it could be 1000 torrents.
so download doesnt really take into activity either, even though it is a bit better than just upload, but its not the ideal solution imho. but then i dont know what is lol
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IdolEyes787
The real source of the problem is that while speeds have increased the thinking of the people running trackers hasn't adapted to reflect that change.
This.
A 10 mbps connection is introduced in the tracker which can upload as much as 10-40 normal users, and things become worse. Whose fault do you think it is?
Can it ever hurt having a seedbox seed on public trackers?
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SonsOfLiberty
If you pay for torrents, then why not just pay for Newsgroups, stuff pre's sometimes earlier than torrents and sometimes a few minutes later (depeding on the tracker....example, GhostBusters The Video Game pre'd and then it got released on Usenet less than 5 mintues later.), your downloads will be twice as fast (if not maxed out) and best of all you don't have to upload (seed).
I'm guessing because there's no e-penis involved with newsgroups, and that must be a huge turn off to a lot of bittorrent users. These types would rather pay twice the money or more to rent a server and get soopa 1337 ratios on their tracker accounts.
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Seedboxes help and do not help the BT community. Fact.
firstly, I agree with the OP. Giving away invites at other forums and occasionally here, I get profile links/ratio proofs you wouldn't believe. Just how many people are there at TL with more than 1TL uploaded?!
I've seen a lot of 15-17 or so year olds, with 2-3 seedboxes going at it at TL. It seems to be some sort of magical path to the harder toget trackers. You buy 2 seedboxes, you beg for a TL invite, you buffer up your newly required account and then start begging for harder to get sites. Maybe if you don't get there quick enough you start trading....
Of course we all know what seedboxes do for a normal user (me). It's harder to seed (but only on a few sites it's impossible to keep a ratio without one), thus you're actually afraid of downloading stuff. And that's very far away from the spirit of file sharing. Also, seeding to someone, who's obviously using a seedbox just doesn't feel right to me.
The good side of seedboxes, however, is the speed you get. I don't have to pay anything to get a TV pack from ScT/SCC at full speed. The best thing is that these packs are freeleech and that they're well seeded allmost without exeptions. I tend to miss a lot of great TV shows so this is where I really benefit from seedboxes, again without paying a dime. This I appreciate.
To the people applying for FSC / molesting the staff, lol: do some research. I know very little about the site, but from what I've gathered here (and I haven't been asking about FSC, it just comes up during discussions) FSC is community driven. The fact that you have 5 seedboxes and are willing to donate may be OK, but don't expect them to invite you just because of that. You'll get there if your personality, etc. ( tbh, I don't know what they're looking for in a member, I'm speculating) is the right one.
to conclude, reading is a virtue. :lol: