Im Building A New PC

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03-23-2004, 08:28 PM
Peerzy
well iv decieded to build a new pc but because of cash prpblems im going to buy bit at a time over the next few months, Im going to be using some parts from my old pc and buying most of the new parts.

I have a mobo that will take up to a 3000XP, USB2.0,AGPX8 etc and its very new so im going to use that. Its a micro mobo so that will effect the case size.

its going to be a pc for playing the latest games and movies... needs to be powerful

but here is what im going to need:
- CPU
- CASE (I HAVE A 400WATT PSU ALREADY)
- RAM
- GFX CARD
- HARD DRIVE
i think thats all i need, this is the specs i am aiming for:
- AMD 2500XP BARTON
- CASE WITH SIDE PANEL
- 1GB PC 3200 SAMSUNG, KINGSTON OR CRUCIAL RAM
- ATI CARD, 9600 PRO OR A 9700 PRO WHATEVER'S A BETTER DEAL FOR THE MONEY
- 120GB HARD DRIVE (IDE) 7200RPM
- GOOD CPU COOLER FOR OC'ING THE CPU TO 3000XP
the only thing i will bend on is maybe the ram but that is the min spec really....

the case must have a side window and must have room/places to put about 4 fan. i want a fan at the top so it has to have those little grated holes there.

Budget is unsure of yet but i want to see how cheap i could get this.... all deleviered to the UK.

EDIT; on my current pc the cd-rw drive has gone and im buying a dvd-/+rw drive so thats why theres no need for a dvd/cd drive and i already have a dvd rom dirve anyway. i also havea 31/2 floopy so i dont need that, or a moniter, speakers, keyboard or mouse.

:cool2:
03-23-2004, 08:50 PM
lynx

If your old pc is still going to be a runner you could use it as a backup with the floppy and optical drives stripped out - once it is up and running you can load anything new over the network. Just leave it folding 24/7.

Obviously, to operate it successfully you really need a kvm switch like this.

Best purchase I ever made.
03-24-2004, 12:19 AM
Peerzy

I wouldnt have the pc in the same room because of space problems thought. And im going to need to sell the CPU, gfx card and anything else i can sell from it to pay for this new machine. Im a broke student so i need this money to get the new pc.

plus iv tried folding on it before and it took 6 days to get to 23% <_<

On my new pc i will be folding 24/7 anyway.
03-24-2004, 01:04 AM
gungrave

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Originally posted by lynx@23 March 2004 - 20:50
If your old pc is still going to be a runner you could use it as a backup with the floppy and optical drives stripped out - once it is up and running you can load anything new over the network. Just leave it folding 24/7.

Obviously, to operate it successfully you really need a kvm switch like this.

Best purchase I ever made.

errr whats folding? :huh:
03-24-2004, 01:07 AM
Virtualbody1234

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Originally posted by gungrave@23 March 2004 - 19:04
errr whats folding? :huh:

Click the link in my sig.
03-24-2004, 02:03 AM
FlyingDutchman

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Originally posted by peerzyboy@23 March 2004 - 20:28

.........[*]GOOD CPU COOLER FOR OC'ING THE CPU TO 3000XP
.........
the case must have ... room/places to put about 4 fan. i want a fan at the top so it has to have those little grated holes there.
...........

PeerzyBoy, check this thread for a superior cooling solution. You don't need a fan/blowhole at the top of your case.
03-24-2004, 02:31 AM
bigdawgfoxx

Wait for the new graphics cards I would say.
03-24-2004, 03:09 AM
adamp2p

Yes, and might I suggest a move up from the good ol' trusty 2500XP? I think that as soon as the newer chipsets are released this year, much better solutions will be available. Especially when the 64 OS is stable and available. You just might find yourself dissapointed if you spend a lot of money on a 2500XP setup today when in less than six months there will be a 64 Bit Windows XP available.

Just something to think about. I think right now is just about the worst time to get an expensive new computer.
03-24-2004, 05:53 PM
Peerzy

Mmmmmm i already have an AGP mobo though Bigdawgfoxx.

Thing is 64 bit are o much for me at the moment and 2500XP are cheap(ish) are barton corse and very overclockable although i am open to sussgestions on going higher but the price will b impotant.

@FlyingDutchman i checked that thread and its for P4 only im going with an AMD system.
03-24-2004, 07:52 PM
Mad Cat

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Originally posted by peerzyboy@24 March 2004 - 17:53
Mmmmmm i already have an AGP mobo though Bigdawgfoxx.

Thing is 64 bit are o much for me at the moment and 2500XP are cheap(ish) are barton corse and very overclockable although i am open to sussgestions on going higher but the price will b impotant.

@FlyingDutchman i checked that thread and its for P4 only im going with an AMD system.

The average price for a 2500+ is £50, and the 64 3000+ is £120.

With 5%-30% performance on a beta OS with crap drivers, plus a bit more future proofing, I'd probably say it was worth it. Buying a 2500+ now will be a short term solution in my opinion, I agree with Adam.
03-24-2004, 08:07 PM
Peerzy

Well that doesnt seem to bad but i just paid out £60 on my new socket A mobo and getting a 64bit is like the ideal thing i would get but if its gonna b another £60 for a new mobo thats suddenly and extra £150 over a 2500XP :(
03-24-2004, 08:15 PM
Mad Cat

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Originally posted by peerzyboy@24 March 2004 - 20:07
Well that doesnt seem to bad but i just paid out £60 on my new socket A mobo and getting a 64bit is like the ideal thing i would get but if its gonna b another £60 for a new mobo thats suddenly and extra £150 over a 2500XP :(

Think about it like this then, get a 2500+, yes fine ok for a year. But then you find its getting outdated etc, and you have to fork out £160 to buy the 64 3000+ you could have bought a year ago had you not got a 2500+.

Your choice though, a 2500+ will probably suit you well, just depends how far you want to go with it.
03-24-2004, 10:21 PM
tesco

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Originally posted by Mad Cat+24 March 2004 - 15:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mad Cat @ 24 March 2004 - 15:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peerzyboy@24 March 2004 - 20:07
Well that doesnt seem to bad but i just paid out £60 on my new socket A mobo and getting a 64bit is like the ideal thing i would get but if its gonna b another £60 for a new mobo thats suddenly and extra £150 over a 2500XP  :(

Think about it like this then, get a 2500+, yes fine ok for a year. But then you find its getting outdated etc, and you have to fork out £160 to buy the 64 3000+ you could have bought a year ago had you not got a 2500+.

Your choice though, a 2500+ will probably suit you well, just depends how far you want to go with it. [/b][/quote]
I think the 2500+ will be just fine to last a few years if he wants it too. the only problem with it will be if he wants to try out the 64-bit windows...he can't.

btw, does anybody know if longhorn is for both 32bit and 64bit, or if there is going to be two versions of it or something?
03-24-2004, 11:35 PM
Peerzy

okay well how much is a 64bit mobo and 3000XP 64bit gonna cost me (cheapest)?

EDIT: and does it mean i need to get new ram as aposed to usin some from my old pc?
03-24-2004, 11:47 PM
tesco

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Originally posted by peerzyboy@24 March 2004 - 18:35
okay well how much is a 64bit mobo and 3000XP 64bit gonna cost me (cheapest)?

EDIT: and does it mean i need to get new ram as aposed to usin some from my old pc?

motherboard: Gigabyte K8N Pro, nforce 3. $125.99

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ $279.99

Thats pretty expensive, and it's US prices. I couldn't find a 64 3000+ so i used 3200+, but you can find one on a website you like, this just gives u a rough idea of the price.

and yeah you will need some better ram, has to be more than pc2100 or it will really bottleneck the system. I didn't post any because i dont exactly know what kind the 64bit's need.
03-25-2004, 02:37 AM
gungrave

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Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+24 March 2004 - 01:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 24 March 2004 - 01:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gungrave@23 March 2004 - 19:04
errr whats folding?  :huh:

Click the link in my sig. [/b][/quote]
still dont under stand :unsure:

soz if im not talkin about ur pc but i would like to know :rolleyes:
03-25-2004, 02:32 PM
lynx

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Originally posted by gungrave+25 March 2004 - 01:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gungrave @ 25 March 2004 - 01:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@24 March 2004 - 01:07
<!--QuoteBegin-gungrave

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@23 March 2004 - 19:04
errr whats folding?  :huh:

Click the link in my sig.

still dont under stand :unsure:

soz if im not talkin about ur pc but i would like to know :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
It is a computer simulation of how proteins fold up into their active state after they have been formed. It is thought that mis-folded proteins may be the cause of many diseases including cancer, alzheimer's, BSE etc.

Because of the billions of possible combinations it is necesary to get as much computing power as possible to do this simulation - this is called Folding@home. It uses spare cpu cycles on your pc so it doesn't affect your performance.

By joining up you may help to find cures for some of these diseases.
Click the link in my sig to find more details.
03-25-2004, 06:01 PM
Peerzy

.... <_<

Back on topic....

Is this mobo any good, and will it work well with this CPU, and is the CPU any good or should i push for a 3200XP:

Gigabyte GA-k8vt800 S754 VIA K8T800 Sound LAN USB 2.0 FSB800 ATA133 Retail Box

AMD Athlon 64 Bit 3000/512 l2 Cache 754pin CPU OEM

And how much longer is a 64bit CPu gonna last me than the 2500XP?

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03-25-2004, 08:39 PM
Mad Cat

Well since 64 bit allows for around a 33% improvement, and its also a faster rated CPU.

I'm really not sure, but go for the 64 if you can. Your choice in the end, use us as a guideline.

By the way, your old RAM will work. You only need registered RAM for the 64FX and Opteron series.

EDIT: The 3200XP costs as much as a 3000+ 64, the 64 seems the obvious choice to me.
Maybe keep that motherboard in your current machine and go for both when you get a bit more cash. A 2500XP downloading, and a nice 64 games box :P
03-25-2004, 09:10 PM
Peerzy

Well this is what i would get if i was to get a 64bit AMD.

Quote:

AMD Athlon 64 Bit 3000/512 l2 Cache 754pin CPU OEM

£157.36

Gigabyte GA-k8vt800 S754 VIA K8T800 Sound LAN USB 2.0 FSB800 ATA133 Retail Box

£62.91

Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB DDR 8x AGP DVi & TV-Out

£169.70

Samsung 512 PC3200 DDR400 184pin Original Memory Module

£88.71

Western Digital Caviar 80Gb 7200rpm EIDE Hard Drive - OEM

£42.62

Anybody have anything to say about any of the parts (good and bad)

Thinking about it, it will proberly be better to get a 64bit its just the having to buy a whole new mobo that pisses me off after just getting a brand new skt A one :(

All prices from ebuyer.co.uk
03-25-2004, 09:50 PM
lynx

I'm pretty sure that 64-bit Windows will need 1GB memory minimum, the Opteron version certainly does.

And I think you will need two sticks if you want Dual Channel capability.
03-26-2004, 04:16 PM
Peerzy

yeah i know the ram is low but im trying to keep the prices dwon.

Is that gfx card a good on. i might strech to £160 and get a 9800 pro.

More opionins needs plz.

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03-26-2004, 04:43 PM
Virtualbody1234

If you're really trying to keep prices down then don't go 64bit.