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Schoolgirl wins Muslim gown case
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/4310545.stm
basically a girl refused to wear school uniform (tunic and trousers) to wear a jilbab (full length gown). religious advisors say that muslim rules say she can wear the uniform.
she says: yadda yadda yadda 9/11 yadda yadda racist yadda yadda free country yadda yadda yadda.
i say: it's nothing to do with racism, sexism or any kind of prejudice. school uniform rules should be followed. (remember muslim advisors said the current uniform is fine). this is just a case of a teenage girl making a fuss for the sake of making a fuss (like teenagers do)
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School uniforms are gay. Get rid of 'em once and for all. :01:
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I must agree with Dave. Wear the fucking uniform or don't come to school.
I wish all schools had uniforms. Usually the only people pissed about it is the children that are still in school.
School isn't a fashion show. It's a place of learning.
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Yup, I have to agree too, if the uniform is approved according to the advisors I can't understand how she could win anything.
However since it is approved, I'd like to see some non-muslim english kids customizing their uniforms to fit their particular creed or ethnicity.
They should wear enormous crosses or something. Just as a protest, like.
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If the school has uniforms it should apply to all, however girls should be allowed the choice of long trousers instead of skirts. That way the modesty issue should be "covered"
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I wish all schools had uniforms. Usually the only people pissed about it is the children that are still in school.
School isn't a fashion show. It's a place of learning.
Nah ill be opposed to school uniforms until I die. And no, I'm not in school anymore. If work dress code is casual (in offices I mean) then why shouldnt the schools be? :unsure:
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Originally Posted by Arm
Nah ill be opposed to school uniforms until I die. And no, I'm not in school anymore. If work dress code is casual (in offices I mean) then why shouldnt the schools be? :unsure:
Schools are a place of learning.
There is already enough distractions. Wtf to wear shouldn't be one of them.
I've already said the pro to school uniforms. What's the con?
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Work dress code in offices here is normally shirt & tie at the very least
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Originally Posted by DanB
Work dress code in offices here is normally shirt & tie at the very least
Dont forget the trousers etc. :)
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Originally Posted by bigboab
Dont forget the trousers etc. :)
boom boom
:helpsmili
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I alternate between not giving a damn and getting pretty pissed off that they are reportedly thinking of suing the school.
AFAIK the changing from the uniform allowed by the school to the jilbab doesn't seem to cover any more of her or really serve any purpose other than it was just her preference, which doesn't strike me as coming under the human rights act.
Also the next logical step is allowing covering of the face isn't it? surely thats gonna make things a wee bit hard on the teacher, or are name badges the way forward?
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Some people sadly just look for issues
The school headmaster is in fact a Muslim and he said she was being a pain.
The carefully prepared and eloquent speeches smack of political/religious activism. In short she is the very thing that give people the 9/11 willies.
I have no problem with headscarf thing - in fact, it can look very attractive. (The ones that look like Daleks just look daft). However, as someone who has an affinity for old Celtic beliefs I know I could not go to a strict Muslim country and do anything Pagan in public - so I wouldn't, I have no desire to offend.
However, people who want their cake and eat it do my head in.
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I would make the school uniform Muslim for everyone. Just to see what, if any, reaction came from the Muslim community.
Does anyone know where I can acquire a new wooden spoon. This one is getting a bit worn. :(
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Originally Posted by bigboab
I would make the school uniform Muslim for everyone. Just to see what, if any, reaction came from the Muslim community.
Does anyone know where I can acquire a new wooden spoon. This one is getting a bit worn. :(
You know very well some people couldn't resist customising those flowing robes.
You know - white, pointy hood etc. :devil:
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Originally Posted by lynx
You know very well some people couldn't resist customising those flowing robes.
You know - white, pointy hood etc. :devil:
I was just hoping they would come back into fashion.
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by bigboab
I was just hoping they would come back into fashion.
:rolleyes:
Although it hasn't stopped you wearing it has it? :shifty:
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Originally Posted by Biggles
Although it hasn't stopped you wearing it has it? :shifty:
Nah! Every since the Mujihadin stopped training in Kilmarnock there has been no need for it. They left because the DSS told them they would have to write 10 letters a week, applying for work. They wrote A to J. I thought their reply to the DSS request was brilliant.
:P
Yes, I did count them on my fingers. :rolleyes:
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Sorry but the decision to allow the girl to wear a different uniform is illogical.
She deserved to be kicked out of school.
Uniforms should be uniform or else it's bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Sorry but the decision to allow the girl to wear a different uniform is illogical.
She deserved to be kicked out of school.
Uniforms should be uniform or else it's bullshit.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
The point of uniforms is so everyone is the same, everyone is on the same field in terms of how they have their education. By allowing exceptions like this, it could possibly open the floodgates of others trying to flout the rules on religious or other tedious grounds.
I would have loved to have seen a Westerner have an education in the Middle East and shout publicly that they should be able to show more skin due to their religion. My guess is that such a person would not have received such consideration on the matter.
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I would have loved to have seen a Westerner have an education in the Middle East and shout publicly that they should be able to show more skin due to their religion. My guess is that such a person would not have received such consideration on the matter.
i'd love to see a westerner do it over here
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Originally Posted by TheDave
i'd love to see a westerner do it over here
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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There are also health and safety issues which would mean that female students wearing the jilbab (sp) would not be able to take part in certain lessons (e.g. science - due to the dangerous conbinatin of bunsen burners and flowing material).
Of course this then raises issues of sexism and the oppression of women (being denied an education, etc, etc)
... and before you know it the legal system / media / religion has opened a whole can of worms, and rather than concentrating on the REAL issues that are going on in this world such as thousands of people starving to death every day whilst the corporations of the world bleed us dry, we end up discussing whether a 16 year old CHILD should be able to wear a long dress or not.
There i'll take a breath now.
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If she`s sixteen won`t she be leaving school in a few months anyway:troublemakers:
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What about the child of naturalists? Do they have an equal right to go to school naked? :whistling
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Originally Posted by brenda
There are also health and safety issues which would mean that female students wearing the jilbab (sp) would not be able to take part in certain lessons (e.g. science - due to the dangerous conbinatin of bunsen burners and flowing material).
Of course this then raises issues of sexism and the oppression of women (being denied an education, etc, etc)
... and before you know it the legal system / media / religion has opened a whole can of worms, and rather than concentrating on the REAL issues that are going on in this world such as thousands of people starving to death every day whilst the corporations of the world bleed us dry, we end up discussing whether a 16 year old CHILD should be able to wear a long dress or not.
There i'll take a breath now.
If they had told her she had to wear the uniform then this wouldn't be an issue.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
If they had told her she had to wear the uniform then this wouldn't be an issue.
They did.
She knew the school rules when she began attendance there 2 years ago, if her regious views were so strong that she felt she could non abide by the rules once she 'became of age' and was 'required' to wear the jilbab, she should have chosen to attend a school that would allow her to wear it - as in fact she does now! rather than costing the tax payer a fortune with this circus she has pointlessly created.
(my wrath is aimed at the situation, not at you Busyman :) )
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Sometimes I feel that belonging to a minority gives people an automatic license to misbehave.
Which makes me very jealous.
I remember the things some blokes got away with in school 'cos they weren't born here. They had such fun calling our girls whores and making derogatory statements about us.
The same blokes also threatened a friend of mine 'cos he had a sticker with a flag on it on his car, which they claimed was a racist symbol, and they got away with it.
For a while there, when I was younger, institutions and private citizens would get accused of racism if they showed our flag in public.
What makes me angry is that the people in power let them get away with it, including the accusations, rather than putting a stop to all the silliness. They tip-toed around the issue. And it seems to me that there has long existed a tendency in our society, and in others like it, to turn a blind eye to the bad aspects and misbehavior of those originally from another culture, as the authorities somehow think that they are avoiding discrimination when they are in fact letting some people get away with things that aren't allowed for those of us without minority status.
Every time I see something like this I feel despair.
I'm not saying that people should not be allowed their own ethnicity, but I don't think they should be allowed to hide behind it, or gain an advantage because of it.
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Originally Posted by brenda
They did.
She knew the school rules when she began attendance there 2 years ago, if her regious views were so strong that she felt she could non abide by the rules once she 'became of age' and was 'required' to wear the jilbab, she should have chosen to attend a school that would allow her to wear it - as in fact she does now! rather than costing the tax payer a fortune with this circus she has pointlessly created.
(my wrath is aimed at the situation, not at you Busyman :) )
What I meant was if theyhad told her after she made a stink about it.
They should have said, "Fuck youz, goes somewheres else then!!!"
The school sold out their ideals behind having the UNIFORMS in the first place.
They shouldn't even dem shits they wear 'uniforms' anymore.
Ifyouagreeclothes. :dry:
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I once had an issue with a neighbour regarding right of access . When we changed to wheelie bins our neighbour wanted to take their wheelie bin through our back garden to their garden. Prior to the wheelie bins there was and still is a place for bins at the front of all the houses. The matter went to the local council. They agreed that we were in the right to refuse access. When I said that our neighbours were 'coloured' the reply was 'That is different. There are different laws for coloured people. You will have to allow them access'.
After consulting our lawyer, a six foot fence resolved the issue. I was not being awkward. My wife spends hours and hours in her garden. Pulling a full, or empty wheelie bin across it would have ruined it. This was not a race issue but the Council was making it one. Equality should mean just that equality. The right to do the 'same' as the residents of your adopted country. Not to change those rights to suit 'your' ethnic or religious bias.
:)
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Originally Posted by Bigboab
'That is different. There are different laws for coloured people.'
That is completely ridiculous. I'm sure the person that told you that was lying - how would any authority pass a law that gave everyone except white people the right to drag a bin across someone else's back garden :blink:
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Originally Posted by manker
That is completely ridiculous. I'm sure the person that told you that was lying - how would any authority pass a law that gave everyone except white people the right to drag a bin across someone else's back garden :blink:
When told that our neighbor was colored. They went and got a different set of rules. Well I think they were rules. I did not see them.
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by bigboab
When told that our neighbor was colored. They went and got a different set of rules. Well I think they were rules. I did not see them.
:rolleyes:
I doubt it.
I wish anyone would drag their shit through my yard.
I think a good rule would be to smack them in the face for trespassing.
That way we both get something out of it.
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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
Sounds like positive discrimination to me boab, I agree it is wrong. One rule for all and so forth.
Hope you get away with that one, I got slated last year for saying something similar. Still, that was a thread about gays, maybe that's what did it.
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Originally Posted by lynx
Hope you get away with that one, I got slated last year for saying something similar. Still, that was a thread about gays, maybe that's what did it.
Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink, Say no more. :rolleyes:
Maybe it was somethig to do with your account name. JP or Biggles will explain. :lol: :lol:
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school uniforms for all :01:
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school uniforms for all :01:
Agreed. :shifty:
Now we want pictures of you in that short gymslip type skirt. :ohmy:
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I don't see a problem allowing people to wear religious clothing in school up to a certain extent. Most schools allow kids to wear simple plain coloured religious clothes if they wish.
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Originally Posted by bigboab
I once had an issue with a neighbour regarding right of access . When we changed to wheelie bins our neighbour wanted to take their wheelie bin through our back garden to their garden. Prior to the wheelie bins there was and still is a place for bins at the front of all the houses. The matter went to the local council. They agreed that we were in the right to refuse access. When I said that our neighbours were 'coloured' the reply was 'That is different. There are different laws for coloured people. You will have to allow them access'.
Sorry to be confrontational, but i don't believe that story. It's patently ridiculous. How much of that reply was real and how much was your interpretation of events?
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Originally Posted by ilw
Sorry to be confrontational, but i don't believe that story. It's patently ridiculous. How much of that reply was real and how much was your interpretation of events?
If you had said I find that difficult to believe the I would have considered you a reasonable person. Instead you have called me a liar. That I resent. You are a moronic imbecile. But I think that is only my opinion.
If you dont want to believe the truth then that is your problem. Why would I 'make up' such a thing. I am not racist. My lawyer said that it was probably not a different set of rules. But guidelines to avoid ethnic confrontation. Why we should have these I dont know. I could quote other instances I have heard, but that would be hearsay.
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Originally Posted by bigboab
If you had said I find that difficult to believe the I would have considered you a reasonable person. Instead you have called me a liar. That I resent. You are a moronic imbecile. But I think that is only my opinion.
If you dont want to believe the truth then that is your problem. Why would I 'make up' such a thing. I am not racist. My lawyer said that it was probably not a different set of rules. But guidelines to avoid ethnic confrontation. Why we should have these I dont know. I could quote other instances I have heard, but that would be hearsay.
Then your lawyer and the legislature that made these "rules" are moronic idiots.
I mean, this an easily defendable thing. There is no way that action taken against your neighbors would be considered 'worng'. :wacko:
I too don't believe this story. It's too ridiculous.
So your neighbors are free to trudge through your yard? Are you free to do the same through theirs?
I also can't believe that you would allow someone to bend you over in such a manner while you just stare in the camara and say.."That's the rules folks".
Maybe it's an American thing but something like this would make news, be appealed or something. I couldn't just sit and watch someone bring their shit through my yard and smile about it. I would literally resort to some street shit, get the person in private and stick a pistol in his mouth or something.
Most things have a simple solution.