Not Sharing, Good Or Bad? (long)

Ever since I unbanned myself from Napster, I have been afraid to share. I use the regular Kazaa, not Kazaa lite. I share only video files, I created myself. I have 2000+ mp3s but choose not to share them due to the fact that users can get them from other people. These video files are about 300, but what upsets me is this... ...not a single person whos downloaded off of me shares.

Being a non sharer in the past I understand reasons like, "I dont want to get introuble with the law, dont want to get banned, dont like it eating up my bandwith..." But this is what is upsetting me, the fact that NO ONE shares. Those user ratings I went from a 0 low to guru basically overnight.

I wouldn't be so upset if at least one other person shared. ONE. I have an unstable 56k connection with AOL which basically means its a 28k connection. People get greedy and try to download my entire library. Those that concentrate on one single file, are the ones that ever end up completing it.

I hate how nonsharers would leave me messages telling me that I need to get a faster connection. What the hell?!? They are that greedy?!? First they want every file I have plus they want it faster. Be thankful! Most people would just cancel each sorry attempt.

I have been sharing these files for months, and still when I do a search, I am the only one carrying it. If ONE person out of the zillion nonsharers shared, other non sharers could have a faster connection, and when I was offline, they could still continue their downloads.

I am a sick psychotic fanatic that taped every episode of a now canceled series. I get nothing but complaints of speed, never "thanks for ripping" or even "thanks for sharing" If I cancled each nonsharer, there would be no point in sharing period. I have written on each file "please share this file" as a way of suggesting that they dont have to, I wont cancle them like all the mean people, but even if it is just one file, share this one. What should I do? Suggestions? Stories?

Since your a 56k'er, no need to share. Tell the guys who don't compliment you to f*ck off. It's your choice whether to get a faster connection or not. Besides, sharing as a 56K user will eat up your bandwidth.

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Originally posted by UmmYeahOk@18 February 2003 - 00:34
Ever since I unbanned myself from Napster, I have been afraid to share. I use the regular Kazaa, not Kazaa lite. I share only video files, I created myself. I have 2000+ mp3s but choose not to share them due to the fact that users can get them from other people. These video files are about 300, but what upsets me is this...  ...not a single person whos downloaded off of me shares.

Being a non sharer in the past I understand reasons like, "I dont want to get introuble with the law, dont want to get banned, dont like it eating up my bandwith..." But this is what is upsetting me, the fact that NO ONE shares. Those user ratings I went from a 0 low to guru basically overnight.

I wouldn't be so upset if at least one other person shared. ONE. I have an unstable 56k connection with AOL which basically means its a 28k connection. People get greedy and try to download my entire library. Those that concentrate on one single file, are the ones that ever end up completing it.

I hate how nonsharers would leave me messages telling me that I need to get a faster connection. What the hell?!? They are that greedy?!? First they want every file I have plus they want it faster. Be thankful! Most people would just cancel each sorry attempt.

I have been sharing these files for months, and still when I do a search, I am the only one carrying it. If ONE person out of the zillion nonsharers shared, other non sharers could have a faster connection, and when I was offline, they could still continue their downloads.

I am a sick psychotic fanatic that taped every episode of a now canceled series. I get nothing but complaints of speed, never "thanks for ripping" or even "thanks for sharing" If I cancled each nonsharer, there would be no point in sharing period. I have written on each file "please share this file" as a way of suggesting that they dont have to, I wont cancle them like all the mean people, but even if it is just one file, share this one. What should I do? Suggestions? Stories?

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First of all you mention the fact that you are using the original version of Kazaa..you really need to do yourself a big favor and get rid of that program. Go to www.k-lite.tk and download the latest version (2.1.0) of kazaalite,its a far superior program than the one you are currently using,without all that Spy/Adware.. "Spybot: Search & Destroy" is also available at the website..download that as well,and run it before you install the new version of k-lite because you dont want ANY part of the original Kazaa in your new program (this will get rid of it for you) I would suggest that you read the features list for the k-lite version while your at the download center because it contains much more detail about the program than I am willing or desire to write here. The k-lite version features great add-on tools also. (free) You also mention the Participation Level (PL) in the original Kazaa.. in my experience, I can tell you that its totally useless, the parameters it uses "defy logic"..dont even try to figure it out,cause you wont. You also mention that no one is sharing files.. this could be very true, but I have a caveat here for ya, in version 2.1.0 there is a"privacy option" which can disable the "find more files from this user" in the search mode..this was done because it was discovered in the previous version that the function could be used to copy that users media file list.. the drawback to using this option is that YOU can appear to be a leach to other users (while your sharing your 3000 files!!) so be very careful here. good luck.

Yes I have ad aware and pest patrol pro, and never ran the "original" kazaa, since it is a joke compared to k-lite.

If you are on 56kI know that you cannot share at first, do what you gotta do.

**We Understand**

:)

Spend more time with this here community. As FC is fond of saying this is not so much a kazaa site as a p2p site , and if you got the butter files you'll find a way here to get them out.

-SJ™

Yeah thats y people get caught but alot of people are sharing and they havent got caught because there using kazaa lite and those other people who did get caught its probley because they have illegal child porn or something stupid like that

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Originally posted by UmmYeahOk@18 February 2003 - 00:34
Ever since I unbanned myself from Napster, I have been afraid to share. I use the regular Kazaa, not Kazaa lite. I share only video files, I created myself. I have 2000+ mp3s but choose not to share them due to the fact that users can get them from other people. These video files are about 300, but what upsets me is this...  ...not a single person whos downloaded off of me shares.

Being a non sharer in the past I understand reasons like, "I dont want to get introuble with the law, dont want to get banned, dont like it eating up my bandwith..." But this is what is upsetting me, the fact that NO ONE shares. Those user ratings I went from a 0 low to guru basically overnight.

I wouldn't be so upset if at least one other person shared. ONE. I have an unstable 56k connection with AOL which basically means its a 28k connection. People get greedy and try to download my entire library. Those that concentrate on one single file, are the ones that ever end up completing it.

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I figured I'd open a new thread here, as the other was quite lengthly.I can really understand where your coming from because I've been there myself. I used to obsess over things like this. Unlike yourself,I am on a broadband connection that I leave open 24/7 I would allocate 15 upload slots at 1 simultaneous upload per user at a time before I went to bed. I have to tell you that it used to royally piss me off when I would get up in the morning and find that literally several hundred files where uploaded to users that shared no files..not ONE. yeah..its wrong,this is not what p2p is supposed to be about. but you know what, you cant do anything about it,so why pull your hair out?? yeah, I had 'Dewey' trying to download several 100Mb. files off me with his lightning fast 0.13Kb/s connection !! and then get mad at me because I cancelled his download ! Hey, I share my files, thats me. You got alot of greedy bastards out there,dont let it get to you. I look at it like this.. what goes around, comes around..eventually. I feel good being ME.. I sleep well at night.

It could also be possible that the people who downloaded the file are one different supernodes, and thus, you would not find them.

Generally I allow 4 downloads and 1 per user, unless it is some of more rare or whatever stuff I have like Survivor 5 Thailand or Trigun.

Other than that, I say again, a lot of the time you cannot actually verify the "find more from same user" option since it seems kinda buggy and they DO give users to option to not share lmao.

;)

-SJ™

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I have to tell you that it used to royally piss me off when I would get up in the morning and find that literally several hundred files where uploaded to users that shared no files..not ONE.

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were the people you checked still uploading from you? I have never been able to browse a users files unless they were either uploding or downloading from me at the time. I leave my connection open while I'm asleep as well, and found that i couldn't browse the files of completed upload users. Is it the same for everyone, or is this a problem with my version?

Its like this, I like using regular Kazaa. I like the idea of people knowing who I am, that these are my files, because when I registered every info I gave them was fake. All they can do is ban me, which proved to napster pointless, cuz I can just get a new account. I also have ad-aware, and cracked their little spyware, no ads, nothing. I did this long ago, had I known a year or two back, I would have switched.

Also, sometimes I do try to reply to the comments, explaining the unfairness of someone downloading off of me has a great connection and chooses not to share, where as me, sucky connection, being so damn generous. However, how many of you actually messaged a person and had a reply? whenever I try to reply, theyre no longer on.

I know I am the only person with these files. So the second I stop sharing is the second these tv series die again.

An no offense to any of you, oviously non of you have DLed off of me, because I would say differently... ...but I dont like kazaalitusers., or even defaultusers for that matter, those are the majority that DL off of me... and guess what? NONE OF THEM share. Infact, the only reason I'm here is because a nonsharer called "www.k-lite.tk_Improved_Kazaa" downloaded off of me. And guess what... ...a nonsharer. Other boards on other sites talk about these people. Course they are all retarded and believe that because of one name, they are one person, and downloading everything. Therefore, I heard that some of them cancle them regardless of if they're sharing or not.

UmmYeahOk, you aren't gonna get away from it. I'm a 56k'er and I share 1400 files +. It got up my arse to start off with, but the farther you go, the easier it gets. No point worrying mate, it's been a bone of contention for ages. Smile and share :D

yeah ..its been a problem in this p2p netwrk ..tht is a question of importance ...tht if u wanna share or not ..but for me ..i share abt 12 gb of data includin files softwares and MP3's (...they rule ..lol)...im on a broadband ..so i can and other who have "always open" can do it too but for a 56k'er its a pain in the ( u all know where ..lol) ...sorry guys too much laffin ..but seriouslty its upto on one's wish ..its a free world man ..but one quote" ur freedom ends where another's starts"....off the topic ..dont take me as tht ..but one's wish ....btw ..SHARE SHARE AND SHARE ..thts wat P2p all abt guys ...sorry for my bad english ...;)

I guess I have no choice but to keep sharing then. Sharing mp3s is cool cuz its a quick way to boost your level, and you end up seeing a lot of people downloading off of you sharing even more. Being an ex-nonsharer, I understand all the reasons for not doing so, and feel that it is your right to share or not. But I still wish that out of the the hundreds that download off me each day, that one, just one, would share. Its find to be stingey, its your right! But if everyone in the world was, we would never have things like a red cross, or a salvation army.

Heres a sick story: ...one person shared... ...He had a file, well two, I wanted. He had tons, especially tons of my own. I know, cuz I label them weird. I start downloading, then I noticed that he was continuing to download more files off of me. I was all like, yes! this is how it should work. Then he decided to allow one file to be downloaded at a time. Which was fine, I do it too. Plus it made completing one a lot faster. Then he stopped sharing at all. Couldn't check his library, or anything. He wasn't offline, how could he? He was still downloading off of me. Being a 56ker, this always happens I get a file, regardless of what size, needing a MB or two. Trying to resume for months, but never completeing cuz they found out how to stop sharing. That was the one time I actually considered cancleling the creep.

In the past we've had ratio sharing, upload the server an mp3, get one in return. But with a dial-up isp connection, you always got kicked off before you got to download. Without a constant IP, the server didn't recognize you, and you were screwed, only chance you had was to upload again. Because of my history with ratio servers I know forcing people to share is wrong. But from what Ive learn from all the filesharing progs from the past, is that this is the only way the system can work

One interesting thing I've noticed is that people lie, face to face, about whether or how much they're sharing. I've checked on it.

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Originally posted by UmmYeahOk@18 February 2003 - 15:09
I guess I have no choice but to keep sharing then. Sharing mp3s is cool cuz its a quick way to boost your level, and you end up seeing a lot of people downloading off of you sharing even more. Being an ex-nonsharer, I understand all the reasons for not doing so, and feel that it is your right to share or not. But I still wish that out of the the hundreds that download off me each day, that one, just one, would share. Its find to be stingey, its your right! But if everyone in the world was, we would never have things like a red cross, or a salvation army.

Heres a sick story: ...one person shared... ...He had a file, well two, I wanted. He had tons, especially tons of my own. I know, cuz I label them weird. I start downloading, then I noticed that he was continuing to download more files off of me. I was all like, yes! this is how it should work. Then he decided to allow one file to be downloaded at a time. Which was fine, I do it too. Plus it made completing one a lot faster. Then he stopped sharing at all. Couldn't check his library, or anything. He wasn't offline, how could he? He was still downloading off of me. Being a 56ker, this always happens I get a file, regardless of what size, needing a MB or two. Trying to resume for months, but never completeing cuz they found out how to stop sharing. That was the one time I actually considered cancleling the creep.

In the past we've had ratio sharing, upload the server an mp3, get one in return. But with a dial-up isp connection, you always got kicked off before you got to download. Without a constant IP, the server didn't recognize you, and you were screwed, only chance you had was to upload again. Because of my history with ratio servers I know forcing people to share is wrong. But from what Ive learn from all the filesharing progs from the past, is that this is the only way the system can work

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Someone else could have taken your upload slot and maybe you couldn't reach his list due to some obstacle. But then again, he may have turned into a leecher.

Ratio Sharing :shudders: ;)

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Originally posted by MagicNakor@18 February 2003 - 03:42
It could also be possible that the people who downloaded the file are one different supernodes, and thus, you would not find them.

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Yup. However, at that particular time I was running WinMX v3.31 and it had a pretty neat feature in it called "whois".. by highlighting a username from a drop down menu it would instantly tell you how many files that user was sharing, the number of upload slots available, and their "connection type".. a very handy little option used mainly for getting rid of leachers, but basically this is an excercise in futility, because you could sit there all day long.. and it had an easy work around, all that user needed to do was change his name, since it wasnt a "unique username." :angry: Just out of curiosity, I monitored my uploads for a week.. I added 512 users to by block list (the limit at which it stops counting) There is no easy fix.. I just dont let it bother me anymore.

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Originally posted by MagicNakor@18 February 2003 - 03:42
It could also be possible that the people who downloaded the file are one different supernodes, and thus, you would not find them.

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If you are speaking specifically about k-lite, I had no problem finding the user.. he was just not accepting any messages. The scary part of this is that it was a 83Mb. file that I got using a multi-point download (13 users) That would suggest that, at THAT point at least 12 other users got the same corrupt file.. multiply that by X number of users downloading that file over a period of time, and then multiply that by X number of users that downloaded the file from THEM because they didnt delete the file from THEIR library after they discovered it was corrupt.. now you have a major problem.. and this is just ONE file.. Ohhhh, my aching harddrive !

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Originally posted by RPerry@18 February 2003 - 04:54

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I have to tell you that it used to royally piss me off when I would get up in the morning and find that literally several hundred files where uploaded to users that shared no files..not ONE.

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were the people you checked still uploading from you? I have never been able to browse a users files unless they were either uploding or downloading from me at the time. I leave my connection open while I'm asleep as well, and found that i couldn't browse the files of completed upload users. Is it the same for everyone, or is this a problem with my version?

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The comment I made here was in reference to a post by "UmmYeahOk" I was relating an experience I had about people not sharing any files.. I wasnt using Kazaalite at that time.. I was using WinMX v.3.31 with the "whois" option..if you are referring to that program.. you can only browse user lists if you are uploading to OR dowloading from that user if they have selected that option in their privacy settings, as long as they are online, and havent changed networks. By unchecking the "clear all completed uploads" in the options menu.. it will compile a list of all users and the files they uploaded from you. If you have added users to your block list you can still check their status and browse their lists (if online) in "realtime" by highlighting their names in the block list and selecting the "whois" option I have done this several days later only to find that these users are still not sharing..or their sharing the same 1 or 2 obscure files MINUS anything they took from me. This, would be a great feature on Kazaalite,however,now with the advent of the "privacy option" in 2.0.1.. you simply dont know. In order to make the program work correctly, it would require a "unique username".. THAT would require another database, which would be very impractical.. because as soon as the record/movie industry became aware of it..they would seize it.. and you would be finished. :angry:

Too many other things to get worked up about than non-sharers. Like the high levels of child poverty in supposedly "First World" countries, which are setting aside billions in currency to remove one dictator, and probably kill thousands of Iraqi children along the way :angry: Leechers, consider my bandwidth your own!

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Originally posted by RPerry@18 February 2003 - 04:54

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I have to tell you that it used to royally piss me off when I would get up in the morning and find that literally several hundred files where uploaded to users that shared no files..not ONE.

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were the people you checked still uploading from you? I have never been able to browse a users files unless they were either uploding or downloading from me at the time. I leave my connection open while I'm asleep as well, and found that i couldn't browse the files of completed upload users. Is it the same for everyone, or is this a problem with my version?

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Sorry RP.. I posted alot more information in my reply to you than I normally would..this was done for the benifit of those that never used that program,so they could get an idea of how it works..and how I came to the conclusion that people were taking files (alot of them) and not sharing any.

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Originally posted by TIDE-HSV@18 February 2003 - 20:53
One interesting thing I've noticed is that people lie, face to face, about whether or how much they're sharing.  I've checked on it.

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That could be very true.. but heres another consideration, alot of people (such as myself) post under one name and share under another.

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Originally posted by UmmYeahOk@18 February 2003 - 09:18
Its like this, I like using regular Kazaa. I like the idea of people knowing who I am, that these are my files, because when I registered every info I gave them was fake. All they can do is ban me, which proved to napster pointless, cuz I can just get a new account. I also have ad-aware, and cracked their little spyware, no ads, nothing. I did this long ago, had I known a year or two back, I would have switched.

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Its certainly your right to do what you want.. but why not take advantage of all the add-on tools not available in the original version? No matter what version you use people are still going to see your files.. you have the option of showing your media file list (or not showing it) I too have several hundred "unique" files because I obtain them from sources other than p2p programs, from sources that most people dont have access to. They see 'em because they're being uploaded by the hundreds each day. :) :)

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Originally posted by Fatal Error+19 February 2003 - 11:23--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fatal Error @ 19 February 2003 - 11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--RPerry@18 February 2003 - 04:54

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I have to tell you that it used to royally piss me off when I would get up in the morning and find that literally several hundred files where uploaded to users that shared no files..not ONE.

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were the people you checked still uploading from you? I have never been able to browse a users files unless they were either uploding or downloading from me at the time. I leave my connection open while I&#39;m asleep as well, and found that i couldn&#39;t browse the files of completed upload users. Is it the same for everyone, or is this a problem with my version?

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Sorry RP.. I posted alot more information in my reply to you than I normally would..this was done for the benifit of those that never used that program,so they could get an idea of how it works..and how I came to the conclusion that people were taking files (alot of them) and not sharing any. [/b][/quote]
NP Fatal Error. I would still like an answer from someone though. Can anyone bowse a users files on K-lite without them being connected to you?( upload or downloading at the time) I really think this causes confusion when people try to browse files :huh:

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Originally posted by RPerry@19 February 2003 - 12:22
Can anyone bowse a users files on K-lite without them being connected to you?( upload or downloading at the time) I really think this causes confusion when people try to browse files :huh:

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I dont think this is possible without you being connected to them. I dont think you can do this if your not sharing the same Supernode either... Not positive here. oooh Paul..

File sharing is good Karma.............The only problem with thinking that..... Is what if Karma is bullshit?.........the only problem with thinking that..........Is What if Karma is real?............and so on.......and so on....just let your mind rest and still the littel inner monkey of yours child ;) ......1

If you have the means to share than do it.
If you dont have the means, dont worry about it.
It&#39;s simple.

Most things are(simple) We have a choices to make.
Make the right ones in life.
I share because I am thankful for the P2P community,and the files they provide.
I mean damn people dont you love the freaking fact that you have all this for free&#33; :) :) :) :)
I figure it this way. I share because I want files from other users,and they want them from me.
What&#39;s more simple than that.

Im not going to be a hyprocrite and say Lets Share than decide to cut off someone elses download,because there not Sharing.

Besides If your like me .....I bet you you would rather just masturbate or take out the trash,or anything else than waste your time arguing with a selfish person whos dead set on being right <_<


Peace brotherdoobie

just to add my 2 cents...

I use my girlfriends broadband (NTL) connection (as I am now) and I leave it on as long as she will put up with...&#33; I also have my own dial-up connection, but as you can appreciate I don&#39;t have to use it much. But use it I do, and I use Kazaa (lite) on that too.

On this comp, I am sharing about 4gb of stuff. I don&#39;t really know how much that is in the long run, but I thought it would be okay... I mean, one of them is a 1.4gb version of LOTR, the Fellowship screener - maybe that isn&#39;t worth having on there as others are about and no-one has ever tried for mine, and if they did I would be the only one with it... Other stuff I share includes about 10 music videos (mostly Muse), one Southpark, 4 Simpsons, the UK ITV Digital Al & Monkey adverts, 50 (320mb) mp3&#39;s - some music, some spoken word comedy) and some applications (a few DVD rippers, utilities & such like).

What does anyone think of that? I mean, is that respectable? The thing is, I only made this PC with a 20gb HDD - and it soon fills up&#33;

When I am using my Dial-up, I share about 50 mb of stuff - some videos, some mp3&#39;s and a few essentials (winzip serial keygen, etc) - half populars and half rare stuff that I want to spread. I figure that that is not too unreasonable - I hope&#33;

It does get a bit annoying when, using original Kazaa (on dial-up), I would get no or 0.25k D/L&#39;s but my uploads would always get 4-7kb/s of my bandwidth... most users seem to share though. I have only ever cancelled people that don&#39;t have any shared files. Maybe if you are on a 56k connection, it is an idea only to share small files, but a fair amount of them.

The other business about being unlawful I&#39;ve never really thought about before - although I am a bit now. The mp3&#39;s I&#39;m not too bothered about, but stuff like Cracked apps and keygens, along with DivX&#39;s - what is the legal standing / chance of a bollocking?&#33;

later all

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Originally posted by geprobert@19 February 2003 - 21:30
The other business about being unlawful I&#39;ve never really thought about before - although I am a bit now. The mp3&#39;s I&#39;m not too bothered about, but stuff like Cracked apps and keygens, along with DivX&#39;s - what is the legal standing / chance of a bollocking?&#33;

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Unless individual companies want to make an example of someone then I personally believe there&#39;s little chance of legal trouble. At most you would probaly recieve a letter telling you to remove the offending article. The one to watch is your ISP as they have the power to disconnect or limit your service. i.e. block the ports that filesharing apps connect on or disconnect your service entirely. I dont worry too much&#33;