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Originally posted by hobbes@16 May 2003 - 20:38
Ok, this thread has become unraveled due to the variable ways in which the word "Chaos" is intended.
Chaos to me means randomness, it does not imply good nor evil
In answering NE1, I was using his definition in that post, which was, "everyman for himself".
So I was discussing how the creation of societies and its protective umbrella helps to protect the individual from this situation.
As time is short for me now, let me address the remaining quote.
I specifically stated that the goal was not to create a master race, but a race capable of surviving if the amenities of society were stripped.
Best examples are Diabetes and Cystic Fibrosis. In the past all these people died, keeping the prevalence in the gene pool low. Now many survive to reproduce, propaging this genetic weakness and increasing it's prevalence in the gene pool.
You create a situation where insulin (for diabetics) is taken away, they all die. So I claimed that the only way to fix this is to find and correct the genetic code, which makes these people susceptable to the disease. So when a disaster strikes, no worries, as all the diabetics have ben genetically fixed.
Pick your favorite lethal disease and add it to the list.
Now as for evolution, what matters? All that matters is that you reproduce. Who reproduces more, the intelligent people with good jobs and the means to support their offspring, or those who are uneducated and living on welfare.
So in this sense, those least able to provide for their young and propagate the species are doing the majority of the reproduction. Devolution. This type of devolution is held in check by all those poor inner city kids shooting each other.
So in conclusion, we are devolving by propaging lethal gene traits, and by letting those lest able to support their young, doing the majority of the reproduction.
Remember, evolution has no "purpose", but rather it is an adaptation to a changing environment.
I think perhaps the thread has become unravelled due to some other factors as well.....but, anyway, Chaos IS randomness, confusion, etc. The points I was talking about pertain to exactly that:
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Interesting points. In terms of chaos and order, which you present in a kind of "good vs. evil" relationship, I see it the other way. Chaos and Order are the two required opposites, or the Yin and Yang of energy forces in our universe, and our bodies and spirituality. Without one, the other cannot exist, and they both have necessary qualities for ALL life to exist, and ALL energy (which IS all life) to flow. These are just two more names for the polarities that have been noted by the wise and spiritual for millenia.
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So in this sense, those least able to provide for their young and propagate the species are doing the majority of the reproduction. Devolution. This type of devolution is held in check by all those poor inner city kids shooting each other.
but I do agree that it is at least a symptom. If you can see this corelation, then you must be able to see what happens when medical science solves these "genetic defects". We receive "evolved" defects. It's the same with viruses (the ones nature created), and other natural "predators".