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What Really Grinds My Gears: AntiTraders
This is part dos of my trilogy of views on bittorrent, I have no idea what part 3 will be, but everyone knows that sequels suck so this one and the next are probably horrific. Also if you post, please keep it on topic and don't threaten others.
Anti-traders really piss me off as much as traders do. Why? Because only people who identify themselves as "anti-traders" have been traders in the past who "have learned from their mistakes" and need things for "free". Spamming trading threads, telling others your not going to get into a tracker by trading, kissing community reps ass, among other things isn't going to get you recognized as a quality member here. Neither is posting colorful links to your "proofs" and what you "need" for "free". I am going to examine this sentence for a second.
I need [placeholder] only for free.
First of all, this is the internet, you don't need anything. What you do need is food and water. Not an invite to a lousy tracker to get stuff that are otherwise readily available for you via other private sites and/or public trackers.
Now onwards towards the word "free". Getting a legitamate invite from a member with giving nothing back isn't called free. Any invite I have ever accumulated from anyone, whether that be from a forum or via IRC, I invest a lot, A LOT, of time chatting and making a name for myself. Now that doesn't mean I chat or hang out to get invites, I just build a trust with other members. Thats called a reputation. And getting a repuation isn't easy at all, hence why you getting an invite for "free" is a null statement.
Another thing, who made up anti-trader. It sounds so negative, its basically a doublt negative. How about the title, "rule follower" or
"repectable user".
People, you don't have to downgrade yourself to traders by labeling yourself the anti of them.
Now back to this sentence "Because only people who identify themselves as "anti-traders" have been traders in the past who "have learned from their mistakes" and need things for "free"."
I say this because users who havent traded, cheated, scammed, etc. don't need to label themselves as an anti-trader of all things. They have no need to make it known in public what they are. On the other hand, any person I see that claims they are an anti-trader have had a trading thread in their post history. These people have to make it public, often in annoying bright colors and incoherent english, that they have learned better. Thus they say they are anti-trade now.
So, to me, all anti-traders are, ironically, people who use to trade but are trying to save their asses. Who knows, maybe one of you did learn from your mistakes, but in the grand scheme of things, you cannot be trusted for that mistake. Deal with it.
Anyway, my two cents on trading and antitrading
part III coming soon;)
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You have gears? You are a robot????
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disconny
You have gears? You are a robot????
from family guy the movie
again, dont post you have nothing funny or on-topic to say
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Who gives a shit what others do, and how they label themselves. Let them do and be damned as long you be yourself. Live & let live.
The ones who should be shot at dawn are scammers, cheaters & fucknuggets, and if you run your own site then traders that deal in your invites & your accounts can be added to your personal shit list of assholes and shot with the rest of them.
Can't wait for Part III, but no doubt like The Godfather I, II & II the third will be the worst of the lot! :P
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SgtMajor
Who gives a shit what others do, and how they label themselves. Let them do and be damned as long you be yourself. Live & let live.
Well crap that was almost word for word what i was gonna say, but anyway i agree.
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SgtMajor
Can't wait for Part III, but no doubt like The Godfather I, II & II the third will be the worst of the lot! :P
This is what I'm thinking too.
But as always, thank you for your views 1080p. They're always interesting to read. I'm just starting to think you take the internet a little bit too seriously.
But to comment about the topic. I also believe that most of the hardcore anti-traders here, were once traders themselves in the past. That was an interesting point you brought up.
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1080p
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disconny
You have gears? You are a robot????
from family guy the movie
again, dont post you have nothing funny or on-topic to say
do u have a torrent link to this family guy movie?
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Funkin'
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SgtMajor
Can't wait for Part III, but no doubt like The Godfather I, II & II the third will be the worst of the lot! :P
This is what I'm thinking too.
But as always, thank you for your views 1080p. They're always interesting to read. I'm just starting to think you take the internet a little bit too seriously.
But to comment about the topic. I also believe that most of the hardcore anti-traders here, were once traders themselves in the past. That was an interesting point you brought up.
haha, I almost never browse the internet, I find time after work and school usually around 9-11, I don't make way to post or be active anywhere for that matter ;)
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What really grinds my gears is that traders trade just to collect and not because they will use the trackers. What really grinds my gears is the stupid WTAW chart! if it didn't exist probably there wouldn't be the need for people to trade.
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1080p
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Funkin'
This is what I'm thinking too.
But as always, thank you for your views 1080p. They're always interesting to read. I'm just starting to think you take the internet a little bit too seriously.
But to comment about the topic. I also believe that most of the hardcore anti-traders here, were once traders themselves in the past. That was an interesting point you brought up.
haha, I almost never browse the internet, I find time after work and school usually around 9-11, I don't make way to post or be active anywhere for that matter ;)
whats your job irl?
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disconny
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1080p
haha, I almost never browse the internet, I find time after work and school usually around 9-11, I don't make way to post or be active anywhere for that matter ;)
whats your job irl?
I'm a computer tech for a petroleum engineering company
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Sorry, I never believed in generalizations because itīs synonym of prejudice and lead to mistakes.
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not really, some generalizations are in place for a reason
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There's no real reason to be anti-trader. I myself won't waste tons of time typing long-winded reasons of why traders are bad for torrenting, but to each their own. I simply avoid inviting traders to the best of my ability, because it could get my invites/account disabled. Besides, I believe most people here don their signature/custom user titles of anti-trader/I hate traders/no trading simply for the preservation of their own self image.
Just as in real life, choices you make on the Internet will affect availability of other choices later on. If you choose to be a trader, your choices will be different (arguably lesser of number or quality) than if you decided not to be a trader.
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I believe the term "anti-trader" originated from traders... ironic isn't it. Non-trader would probably be a better term but it's easier to lay the hate on someone that's "anti" something.
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SgtMajor
The ones who should be shot at dawn are scammers, cheaters & fucknuggets, and if you run your own site then traders that deal in your invites & your accounts can be added to your personal shit list of assholes and shot with the rest of them.
Are you subtly requesting to be shot at dawn? :whistling
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Part 2 of 'The Thoughts of Chairman 1080p'. It must be nice to be so sure (full) of yourself.
Every thought you have doesn't have to be turned into an essay.
Also you start by saying this is part 2 of a trilogy, although you have no idea what part 3 will be. Why not try it the other way round? find something you want to say first and then decide to make a thread about it.
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1080p
This is part dos of my trilogy of views on bittorrent, I have no idea what part 3 will be, but everyone knows that sequels suck so this one and the next are probably horrific. Also if you post, please keep it on topic and don't threaten others.
Anti-traders really piss me off as much as traders do. Why? Because only people who identify themselves as "anti-traders" have been traders in the past who "have learned from their mistakes" and need things for "free". Spamming trading threads, telling others your not going to get into a tracker by trading, kissing community reps ass, among other things isn't going to get you recognized as a quality member here. Neither is posting colorful links to your "proofs" and what you "need" for "free". I am going to examine this sentence for a second.
I need [placeholder] only for free.
First of all, this is the internet, you don't need anything. What you do need is food and water. Not an invite to a lousy tracker to get stuff that are otherwise readily available for you via other private sites and/or public trackers.
Now onwards towards the word "free". Getting a legitamate invite from a member with giving nothing back isn't called free. Any invite I have ever accumulated from anyone, whether that be from a forum or via IRC, I invest a lot, A LOT, of time chatting and making a name for myself. Now that doesn't mean I chat or hang out to get invites, I just build a trust with other members. Thats called a reputation. And getting a repuation isn't easy at all, hence why you getting an invite for "free" is a null statement.
Another thing, who made up anti-trader. It sounds so negative, its basically a doublt negative. How about the title, "rule follower" or
"repectable user".
People, you don't have to downgrade yourself to traders by labeling yourself the anti of them.
Now back to this sentence "Because only people who identify themselves as "anti-traders" have been traders in the past who "have learned from their mistakes" and need things for "free"."
I say this because users who havent traded, cheated, scammed, etc. don't need to label themselves as an anti-trader of all things. They have no need to make it known in public what they are. On the other hand, any person I see that claims they are an anti-trader have had a trading thread in their post history. These people have to make it public, often in annoying bright colors and incoherent english, that they have learned better. Thus they say they are anti-trade now.
So, to me, all anti-traders are, ironically, people who use to trade but are trying to save their asses. Who knows, maybe one of you did learn from your mistakes, but in the grand scheme of things, you cannot be trusted for that mistake. Deal with it.
Anyway, my two cents on trading and antitrading
part III coming soon;)
you dont have better things to do in your life? relax ....
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who then hell cares what you think?
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first of all, fuck off puckface, youve been on my case for absolutley no reason, gtfo of my thread
if you dont like the read either
A post something usefull that isnt the lowest scum on the earth
or
B dont post at all
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1080p
first of all, fuck off puckface, youve been on my case for absolutley no reason, gtfo of my thread
if you dont like the read either
A post something usefull that isnt the lowest scum on the earth
or
B dont post at all
but... but..... it's fun.
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puckface
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1080p
first of all, fuck off puckface, youve been on my case for absolutley no reason, gtfo of my thread
if you dont like the read either
A post something usefull that isnt the lowest scum on the earth
or
B dont post at all
but... but..... it's fun.
exactly what I would expect from a canadian, like I said
fuck off.
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1080p
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puckface
but... but..... it's fun.
exactly what I would expect from a canadian, like I said
fuck off.
Haha, good old Canadian put downs, gotta love em... you are quite clever sir. Actually its just my reaction to self-absorbed people who really think their opinion matters to anyone but themselves. Also, I dont know why you feel the need to curse at me, as you will never find me doing this to you, have some respect for your fellow human beings. But I guess being self-important in your own little world makes you feel good about yourself, I am glad this is the case, so I will leave you be to go on with your meaningless rants and epic posts if it makes you feel better.
No need to respond by telling me to fuck off again. I wont check back.
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1080p
exactly what I would expect from a canadian
That's what I call a generalization !
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maybe part III will be list of countries and what he expects from their people :dabs:
/me can't wait to see what is expected of him.
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squirr3l
maybe part III will be list of countries and what he expects from their people :dabs:
/me can't wait to see what is expected of him.
wonders if fst got big enough servers for that post :lol:
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1080p curses a lot
he also thinks he has power on the internet
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disconny
1080p curses a lot
he also thinks he has power on the internet
I invented the internet.
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puckface
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1080p
exactly what I would expect from a canadian, like I said
fuck off.
Haha, good old Canadian put downs, gotta love em... you are quite clever sir. Actually its just my reaction to self-absorbed people who really think their opinion matters to anyone but themselves. Also, I dont know why you feel the need to curse at me, as you will never find me doing this to you, have some respect for your fellow human beings. But I guess being self-important in your own little world makes you feel good about yourself, I am glad this is the case, so I will leave you be to go on with your meaningless rants and epic posts if it makes you feel better.
No need to respond by telling me to fuck off again. I wont check back.
I curse at you because I think you are a worthless cunt.
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Says the bloke insulting strangers on the internet
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Also if you post, please keep it on topic and don't threaten others
I think you want to practice what you preach.
back on topic, if you have traders, you will get anti traders, if traders went away then anti traders would as well.
but if the WTAW thread keeps harping on about stupid rarity, then there will always be the 2.
Like i have said numerous times on here, who gives a fuck if Member A has a lvl 2 tracker and wants a lvl 9 tracker, and Memeber B has a lvl 9 tracker and wants a lvl 2 tracker.
If they want to use them to actually use them, let them get on with it, the problem is doing it on Public Invite Forums like FST.
You dont know who the hell the other person is, even with fake screenshots and fake speed tests. If you get to know them on another tracker, thats why tracker communities are important, and i would say even more important than FST, then you will get a good member 99% of the time. Doing it on here or others like it, its probably no better than a 50-50 chance of getting a good member, and thats being optomistic.
so i am not a pro-trader or anti-trader, i just think the ways and means of doing it for most users is bollocks.
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stoi
but if the WTAW thread keeps harping on about stupid rarity, then there will always be the 2.
I think that is rather shortsighted. I don't think it is the WTAW-threads that are the reason there are traders and non-traders.
It is completely normal human behaviour imho. Some trackers are easy to get into. But there are trackers that are hard, very hard and almost impossible to get into because they close their doors, disable invite-systems and staff goes scouting themselves for the users they believe are best for their trackers.
If you have a desire to get into a tracker, but you have to wait years to achieve that you are not likely going to trade that account/invite for a tracker that has open signups all the time, or trackers from wich you see GA's whole the time.
People have a tendency to want the quasi-impossible. The harder to get or the rarer something becomes, the more it's 'value' raises. That's a universal rule in economics and can be witnessed daily when observing any stock-market.
So we shouldn't blame it on the people that are giving certain trackers some kind of ranking. It would happen to without these threads existed.
And I also agree with the OP that a lot of the people just put something like 'non-trader' or other things that makes it clear they don't trade because they know they'll have a bigger chance to score an invite.
I don't agree with the name-calling, I believe it doesn't flatter the OP a lot.
Just my humble opinion.
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ok we were lvl 4 closed for months, everyone wanted a BCG invite/account.
We went down to lvl 2, no one gives a toss anymore, we are lvl 2 ewww dont want them, even though we still have a [10] in content, better than most trackers in the 7-10 bracket.
and the amount of times i have seen somome ask for a 7 tracker, with a 4 invite, and they get told to get a life.
hmm why, ok the chances are slim, but someone with an invite to the lvl7 tracker, may actually want the lvl 4 tracker, so who gives a toss.
the WTAW thread is the baine on the Bittorrent community, and its mainly just traders that cant see it. get rid of it, or change it, and Bittorrent private trackers will be a lot better place to be. (same as FST)
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It is completely normal human behaviour imho. Some trackers are easy to get into. But there are trackers that are hard, very hard and almost impossible to get into because they close their doors, disable invite-systems and staff goes scouting themselves for the users they believe are best for their trackers.
so whats the point of them even being listed if the chances to get in are a big fat ZERO
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I think that is rather shortsighted. I don't think it is the WTAW-threads that are the reason there are traders and non-traders.
It is completely normal human behaviour imho. Some trackers are easy to get into. But there are trackers that are hard, very hard and almost impossible to get into because they close their doors, disable invite-systems and staff goes scouting themselves for the users they believe are best for their trackers.
I totally disagree here man. It's the WTAW chart and thread that hypes the rare tracker and makes them popular and wanted and that's why traders exist. If this chart and thread did not exist most people would not know about these rare trackers and most likely the owners of the trackers would even have open signups and people would not value them as they do because I personally don't think they are the best trackers at all.
However thanks to FST and the WTAW thread it's that there are s many traders and anti traders.
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Sorry but in normal circumstances it is just a question of rarity, whether there are levels or not that are clearly defined.
I believe everyone in the BT-community knows F.. or F*** or E**** are far more difficult, if not almost impossible to get into.
So automatically these hard to get ito trackers will be valued more because people cannot get in them.
It isn't just the fault of the WTAW-threads. You people give to much credit to the BT-community users, as if it wasn't their fault they are trading or non-trading, but it's all the WTAW-threads fault.
I said it ... take away the WTAW-threads and the problem will remain.
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change it to the content rating and it will remain, but at least it will make more sense.
i could rustle up a tracker today, have just my staff and uploaders on it, 200 members, keep it closed for 2 years, be lvl 10, woopee, we are lvl 10, but the content etc will probably still be shit. but ppl will still trade their mothers for it.
and im not saying this is the case for every or even most trackers in the WTAW thread, but im pretty sure some of them are only closed to get rarer, and to be more wanted and to get that recognition.
make it more on content and speeds etc, then they may change their attitude and open up and make a better tracker with more members.
I still hate the WTAW thread with a vengeance, its the worst thing that could have ever happened to private trackers.
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Disme
Sorry but in normal circumstances it is just a question of rarity, whether there are levels or not that are clearly defined.
I believe everyone in the BT-community knows F.. or F*** or E**** are far more difficult, if not almost impossible to get into.
So automatically these hard to get ito trackers will be valued more because people cannot get in them.
It isn't just the fault of the WTAW-threads. You people give to much credit to the BT-community users, as if it wasn't their fault they are trading or non-trading, but it's all the WTAW-threads fault.
I said it ... take away the WTAW-threads and the problem will remain.
most people don't know those "higher level" tracker until they come here.