I'm sure we'll find that out, then.Originally Posted by Busyman™
Yes if he thinks he can quit to avoid any federal charges.
It's not as if they'll stop looking...
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I'm sure we'll find that out, then.Yes if he thinks he can quit to avoid any federal charges.
It's not as if they'll stop looking...
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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Much as I am enjoying the whole delay ethics saga I am not convicting him before trial, there is enough ideological dirt for me to play with.
I will however say his defense tactics remind me of the mob..... don't want to face trial.... get rid of the prosecution.
delay leaving helps the repubs. and annoys me..... I wanted to see his smile the day after he was voted out
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
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Count it.Former Illinois Gov. George Ryan, praised by death penalty foes for halting executions but accused of using public office to enrich friends and family, was found guilty on Monday of fraud, racketeering, tax evasion and other charges.
The federal court jury verdict, which similarly found Ryan's friend and co-defendant Larry Warner guilty of all counts against him, is a stern warning that no one in public office is above the law, officials said after the decision.
The jury convicted Ryan, 72, of all 18 felony counts against him, including racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, tax fraud and making false statements to the FBI.
He had steadfastly denied any guilt for the alleged offenses that took place when he was governor, and before that secretary of state. Each count carried maximum prison sentences of between three and 20 years, plus fines, and prosecutors said they will seek $3 million in restitution from Ryan and Warner. They will be sentenced in August.
Warner, 67, a businessman who won lucrative state lobbying deals while Ryan was in office, was found guilty of racketeering, mail fraud, attempted extortion, money laundering and making unlawful currency withdrawals.
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The bulk of the case involved a web of leases and contracts that benefited friends of Ryan, who prosecutors said had hung a "for sale" sign on his office. Prosecutors portrayed him as a big-spender who accepted free vacations, tickets to events and gifts to his family from friends who brokered deals with the state with Ryan's backing.
Evidence presented at the trial depicted Ryan as a man who spent freely from wads of cash but rarely made bank withdrawals during his time in state office. His lawyers said that evidence was circumstantial at best and no witness had testified that Ryan was actually handed a bribe.
Ryan, a Republican who served one term as governor, said he was disappointed by the convictions but was confident of winning an appeal.
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Execute him.Count it.Former Illinois Gov. George Ryan, praised by death penalty foes for halting executions but accused of using public office to enrich friends and family, was found guilty on Monday of fraud, racketeering, tax evasion and other charges.
The federal court jury verdict, which similarly found Ryan's friend and co-defendant Larry Warner guilty of all counts against him, is a stern warning that no one in public office is above the law, officials said after the decision.
The jury convicted Ryan, 72, of all 18 felony counts against him, including racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, tax fraud and making false statements to the FBI.
He had steadfastly denied any guilt for the alleged offenses that took place when he was governor, and before that secretary of state. Each count carried maximum prison sentences of between three and 20 years, plus fines, and prosecutors said they will seek $3 million in restitution from Ryan and Warner. They will be sentenced in August.
Warner, 67, a businessman who won lucrative state lobbying deals while Ryan was in office, was found guilty of racketeering, mail fraud, attempted extortion, money laundering and making unlawful currency withdrawals.
FREE VACATIONS, TICKETS
The bulk of the case involved a web of leases and contracts that benefited friends of Ryan, who prosecutors said had hung a "for sale" sign on his office. Prosecutors portrayed him as a big-spender who accepted free vacations, tickets to events and gifts to his family from friends who brokered deals with the state with Ryan's backing.
Evidence presented at the trial depicted Ryan as a man who spent freely from wads of cash but rarely made bank withdrawals during his time in state office. His lawyers said that evidence was circumstantial at best and no witness had testified that Ryan was actually handed a bribe.
Ryan, a Republican who served one term as governor, said he was disappointed by the convictions but was confident of winning an appeal.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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Another one
House Speaker Dennis Hastert requested Sunday that the Justice Department conduct an investigation into former Rep. Mark Foley's electronic messages to teenage boys - a lurid scandal that has put House Republicans in political peril.
"As Speaker of the House, I hereby request that the Department of Justice conduct an investigation of Mr. Foley's conduct with current and former House pages to determine to what extent any of his actions violated federal law," Hastert, R-Ill., wrote in a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
The White House and Democratic leaders in Congress also called Sunday for a criminal probe. White House counselor Dan Bartlett called the allegations against Foley shocking, but said President Bush hadn't learned of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to a 16-year-old boy and instant messages to other boys before the news broke last week.
"There is going to be, I'm sure, a criminal investigation into the particulars of this case," Bartlett said. "We need to make sure that the page system is one in which children come up here and can work and make sure that they are protected."
Foley, R-Fla., quit Congress on Friday after the disclosure of the e-mails he sent to a former congressional page and sexually suggestive instant messages he sent to other high school pages.
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada called the Foley case "repugnant, but equally as bad is the possibility that Republican leaders in the House of Representatives knew there was a problem and ignored it to preserve a congressional seat this election year."
Reid said the case should be handled outside Congress.
"Under laws that Congressman Foley helped write, soliciting sex from a minor online is a federal crime," Reid said. "The alleged crimes here are far outside the scope of any congressional committee, and the attorney general should open a full-scale investigation immediately."
In his letter to Gonzales on Sunday, Hastert asked the Justice Department to investigate "who had specific knowledge of the content of any sexually explicit communications between Mr. Foley and any former or current House pages and what actions such individuals took, if any, to provide them to law enforcement."
The scope of the investigation, Hastert wrote, should include "any and all individuals who may have been aware of this matter - be they members of Congress, employees of the House of Representatives or anyone outside the Congress."
Hastert also sent a letter to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush on Sunday requesting that he "direct the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to conduct an investigation of Mr. Foley's conduct with current and former House pages."
Hastert maintained at first that he had learned only last week about the e-mails. But Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he had told Hastert months ago about concerns Foley sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy. Reynolds, R-N.Y., is under attack from Democrats who say he did too little to protect the boy.
Hastert acknowledged over the weekend that his aides had, in fact, referred the matter to the House clerk and to the congressman who was chairman of the board that oversees the page program. Hastert's office said, however, it had not known the e-mails were anything more than "over-friendly."
Majority Republicans engineered a House vote Friday that refers the Foley matter to the House ethics committee, but lets that panel decide whether there should even be an investigation.
Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, the House Democratic leader, pressed the committee on Sunday to begin investigating and make a preliminary report within 10 days. She demanded to know who knew of the messages, whether Foley had other contacts with pages and when the Republican leadership was notified of Foley's conduct.
"Republican leaders have admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley's outrageous behavior for six months to a year, and they chose to cover it up rather than to protect these children," she wrote.
Congressional pages, a staple of Washington politics since the 1820s, are high school students who serve as temporary gofers in the House and Senate. The program nearly ended in the early 1980s due to alleged sexual misconduct and drug use.
Republican leaders say it is their duty to ensure House pages' safety, and are now creating a toll-free hot line for pages and their families to call to confidentially report any incidents. They also will consider adopting new rules on communications between lawmakers and pages.
House Democrats said that wasn't enough.
"This should be investigated objectively. I think the Democratic leadership should have been told 10 months ago," said Rep. Jane Harman of California, top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. "I gather that basically nothing was done except that Foley was warned."
Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said the House ethics committee should conclude its work on the Foley case before the November elections, so that voters can "hold people accountable." Doing so, he said, might help restore public confidence, since already "the reputation of Congress under the Republican leadership is lower than used car salesmen."
Foley, who is 52 and single, was co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus. In a statement Friday, he said, "I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the people of Florida I have had the privilege to represent."
Harman was on "Fox News Sunday," Murtha appeared on ABC's "This Week" and Bartlett spoke on ABC's "This Week, CNN's "Late Edition" and CBS'"Face the Nation."
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I wonder if we will find out who knew what, when and what they did or didn't do about it before the elections.
That said they will have to try to remember where the ethics committee room is first.....that could take a while, it's been so long since it was last used.
Last edited by vidcc; 10-02-2006 at 01:52 AM.
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
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It's expected that faux would not be able to report on this without trying to point out that Democrats have "scandals"....they use Clinton's name in every sentence they say Foley's name, as if an extra marital affair between consenting adults is the same as a pedophile. However Rush topped faux and managed to spin this so that Foley is just an innocent victim of democratic smear.
He then blamed the concealing of the e-mails on Nancy Pelosi."The release of all this (Foley's e-mails) was not to save the children. It was not to take a predator off the streets. This was a strategic move to help the Democrats. They could have known it before the Republicans. It would appear so."
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Use Logic Or STFU!
I really don't like Rush. From his remarks about McNabb (who went to a handful of NFC Championships in a row and a Superbowl; overrated?) to what just posted above.
It's expected that faux would not be able to report on this without trying to point out that Democrats have "scandals"....they use Clinton's name in every sentence they say Foley's name, as if an extra marital affair between consenting adults is the same as a pedophile. However Rush topped faux and managed to spin this so that Foley is just an innocent victim of democratic smear.
He then blamed the concealing of the e-mails on Nancy Pelosi."The release of all this (Foley's e-mails) was not to save the children. It was not to take a predator off the streets. This was a strategic move to help the Democrats. They could have known it before the Republicans. It would appear so."
To use some forum lingo....he's a fucktard.
Equating an adulterer to a pedophile? What about equating a pedophile to a drug addict?
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Hannity is blaming the democrats as well right now. He's angry as hell that this has been released 5 weeks before an election.
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
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