US petition

[j2k4]

Rose got it, I wonder why you questioned it. Could it be that you really are paranoid and you see everything as a personal attack?

Not at all; I merely wondered why you felt compelled to introduce a link to a cause you apparently advocate by qualifying it past conservatives.

After all, you could have omitted the first sentence in it's entirety without affecting your ostensible intent.

The only other reason for such an opening disclaimer would be in service of an urge to patronize, and I'd rather not believe that you'd do that maliciously, much less out of simple ignorance.

In all honesty, I was so put off I actually forewent my curiouslty about your petition and didn't read it anyway, which, if I am in any way typical of conservatives, renders it (at the very least) an unfortunate miscalculation on your part.

However, if you will humble yourself before me, I will deign to read it; after all, I'm not that big a prick.

[Busyman]

No problem with you clearing up what you meant. A problem with you trying to put boundaries on how people discuss things.

Troll

'Cause he's right?

[Busyman]

Rose got it, I wonder why you questioned it. Could it be that you really are paranoid and you see everything as a personal attack?

Not at all; I merely wondered why you felt compelled to introduce a link to a cause you apparently advocate by qualifying it past conservatives.

After all, you could have omitted the first sentence in it's entirety without affecting your ostensible intent.

The only other reason for such an opening disclaimer would be in service of an urge to patronize, and I'd rather not believe that you'd do that maliciously, much less out of simple ignorance.

In all honesty, I was so put off I actually forewent my curiouslty about your petition and didn't read it anyway, which, if I am in any way typical of conservatives, renders it (at the very least) an unfortunate miscalculation on your part.

However, if you will humble yourself before me, I will deign to read it; after all, I'm not that big a prick.

Well, damn...I haven't deigned to read it. You whatchu sayin'?

[j2k4]

Not at all; I merely wondered why you felt compelled to introduce a link to a cause you apparently advocate by qualifying it past conservatives.

After all, you could have omitted the first sentence in it's entirety without affecting your ostensible intent.

The only other reason for such an opening disclaimer would be in service of an urge to patronize, and I'd rather not believe that you'd do that maliciously, much less out of simple ignorance.

In all honesty, I was so put off I actually forewent my curiouslty about your petition and didn't read it anyway, which, if I am in any way typical of conservatives, renders it (at the very least) an unfortunate miscalculation on your part.

However, if you will humble yourself before me, I will deign to read it; after all, I'm not that big a prick.

Well, damn...I haven't deigned to read it. You whatchu sayin'?

He wasn't trying to patronize you.

You're only black, and have not the slightest idea of the ordeal we (both of us) conservatives face on a daily basis.

[j2k4]

Funny; now the world is divided between "conservatives" and "not-conservatives".

"You're either with us or against us." -- George W. Bush (he's a uniter, not a divider)

not to say that boosh speaks for every conservative. but. you know. he's got some connections.

I'm not going to defend Bush, but the Dems have been much more divisive than he has; they really hate being out of power, and reject every overture.

It's really funny.

[hobbes]

All is fair in love and war.

One may establish a Geneva Convention to allow two foes to establish rules of conduct.

If one decides to chop off heads and make a video and the other feels compelled to give prisoners 3 squares a day and a pleasant cell, I call bullshit.

I am not better than torture for such a foe. That sort of ideologic chatter is for those who have no personal stake in a war and sit in the drawing room sipping brandy and telling people how they should act.

If lives can be saved by turning screws when up against an enemy that has no interest in observing any rules of conduct, then I say, "Git her done".

Above it, no way.

I'll grind their bones to make my bread.

Vidcc, you flip out when a kindergarten teacher tells your child to kick in a simulated karate leasson. Imagine your same child the subject of a torture/ execution video. You will find that your "better than that" dissociated philosophy will desintegrate into a "ride 'til we find them, kill them all" mentality.

"Better than that"? Brandy sipping words from someone who has nothing precious at stake.

[j2k4]

All is fair in love and war.

One may establish a Geneva Convention to allow two foes to establish rules of conduct.

If one decides to chop off heads and make a video and the other feels compelled to give prisoners 3 squares a day and a pleasant cell, I call bullshit.

I am not better than torture for such a foe. That sort of ideologic chatter is for those who have no personal stake in a war and sit in the drawing room sipping brandy and telling people how they should act.

If lives can be saved by turning screws when up against an enemy that has no interest in observing any rules of conduct, then I say, "Git her done".

Above it, no way.

I'll grind their bones to make my bread.

Vidcc, you flip out when a kindergarten teacher tells your child to kick in a simulated karate leasson. Imagine your same child the subject of a torture/ execution video. You will find that your "better than that" dissociated philosophy will desintegrate into a "ride 'til we find them, kill them all" mentality.

"Better than that"? Brandy sipping words from someone who has nothing precious at stake.

Um, yes.

Just so, and all that.

BTW-welcome back to the fray, however temporary your stay.

[vidcc]

It's simple.

If you think torture is ok don't sign the petition. If you think torture is not ok but don't care anyway, don't sign the petition. If you want your lawmakers to know you think torture is not ok sign the petition. If you want your lawmakers to know you think torture is not ok but don't wish to be associated with a left wing group write your own personal e.mail/letter.

Whatever you feel is appropriate just do that.

[vidcc]

'Cause he's right?

no

[j2k4]

Or you could try this...I believe it's Cheney's site.

http://www.tortureisus.org/