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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    This is just a wild stab in the dark as I haven't seen it, but are the plaudits not for good acting, a coherent love story (if you like that sort of thing) and a beautifully filmed movie.

    It could be two girls but if they were pish actresses and the director forgot to take the lens cap off then it might not get such good write ups.
    Good point.
    yet
    Why do you think "Hollywood and the media" are holding this film out? as oppose to how they treated other movie in the past.

    So someone made a film about gay cowboys and by all accounts the acting was good and it was a well made movie.
    gets me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    This is just a wild stab in the dark as I haven't seen it, but are the plaudits not for good acting, a coherent love story (if you like that sort of thing) and a beautifully filmed movie.

    It could be two girls but if they were pish actresses and the director forgot to take the lens cap off then it might not get such good write ups.
    You still need the OMG Factor.

    Would a man/woman love story (even with good acting, a coherent love story and a beautifully filmed movie), get the same attention?

    Not only that, it's quite possible that the acting reviews get bumped a notch by critic because of the subject matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    This is just a wild stab in the dark as I haven't seen it, but are the plaudits not for good acting, a coherent love story (if you like that sort of thing) and a beautifully filmed movie.

    It could be two girls but if they were pish actresses and the director forgot to take the lens cap off then it might not get such good write ups.
    You still need the OMG Factor.

    Would a man/woman love story (even with good acting, a coherent love story and a beautifully filmed movie), get the same attention?

    Not only that, it's quite possible that the acting reviews get bumped a notch by critic because of the subject matter.
    Possibly

    A man/woman love story like, say, Love Story, has been done to death. So I suppose novelty value is an issue. The fact that is well done simply makes it easier to make the award in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    You still need the OMG Factor.

    Would a man/woman love story (even with good acting, a coherent love story and a beautifully filmed movie), get the same attention?

    Not only that, it's quite possible that the acting reviews get bumped a notch by critic because of the subject matter.
    Possibly

    A man/woman love story like, say, Love Story, has been done to death. So I suppose novelty value is an issue. The fact that is well done simply makes it easier to make the award in that case.
    Oh and some were just looking for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    Good point.
    yet
    Why do you think "Hollywood and the media" are holding this film out? as oppose to how they treated other movie in the past.

    So someone made a film about gay cowboys and by all accounts the acting was good and it was a well made movie.
    gets me
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    You're off the mark in this one.
    Biggles speculated.

    You did not.

    It's just that simple.

    I'll try to quickly re-formulate the post to clarify for you, in the interest of fairness, but you must put both feet back on the ground and start fresh yourself:


    There is a movie in the works called Brokeback Hollow, about two women who experience latent urgings and consummate this in the required physical manner whilst ostensibly engaged in a semi-solitary activity; say, seasonal cultivation of a planting of the Midnight Lotus, or some such.

    What would your marketing strategy be?

    Remember, you must win a minimum of, oh...three Oscars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles

    Possibly

    A man/woman love story like, say, Love Story, has been done to death. So I suppose novelty value is an issue. The fact that is well done simply makes it easier to make the award in that case.
    Oh and some were just looking for a reason.
    There is always an element of politics in any award.

    Edit: A bad movie will not win an oscar - but that doesn't necessarily mean the "best" movie will win either
    Last edited by Biggles; 03-01-2006 at 10:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    There is a movie in the works called Brokeback Hollow, about two women who experience latent urgings and consummate this in the required physical manner whilst ostensibly engaged in a semi-solitary activity; say, seasonal cultivation of a planting of the Midnight Lotus, or some such.
    Why man, why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    You still need the OMG Factor.
    Possibly

    A man/woman love story like, say, Love Story, has been done to death. So I suppose novelty value is an issue.
    Okay; confession time-this is basically what I was after, as the point of discussion.

    Love stories have been done to death.

    Was the compulsion to make a love story, and lo, Brokeback... is the first thing over the transom, OR-

    Is the compulsion first and foremost to make a ground-breaking movie about homosexuality, using the "love story" aspect as the vehicle?

    This movie has been in the works for about five years, I gather, and from the point it was a going concern (about four years ago) the relevant chatter was of nothing but Oscar! Oscar! Oscar!

    I don't even have a problem with it winning Oscars, strictly on it's merit, but a careful examination of the whole process seems to reveal the goal was purely to win an Oscar for a movie with this content, rather than to make a great movie with this content in the hope of winning an Oscar.

    Get it?
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    I have seen this movie, and it really is a very good film.

    I also think that if there were an equivilent movie made with two women, it probably would generate a similar response. Perhaps more guys would go see it because of the "hawt lesbos," but the same groups making a fuss over it being two men would make the same fuss over it being two women.

    Guess Who's Coming To Dinner (which won two Oscars) was equally controversial in its time, since interracial couplings were not widely accepted.

    I can't claim to have been following Brokeback Mountain for five years though, and it's had very little marketing up here, so I can't really comment on that aspect.

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    so, he does
    the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
    and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
    the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
    and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
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    Surely the only reason this movie got so much attention is the fact that male same sex experiences are viewed by the majority of half of the population ( I.e., the male part) as out of bounds.

    I can't think of a single girl that has any objections to female same sex activity, whether they be lesbian, bisexual or straight.

    When I speak to any of my male friends, including my boyfriend and a collection of ex-boyfriends most of them found the idea of male same sex activity repulsive. Even the ones I dated that were bisexual, did not want to WATCH any such thing despite having no objections in participating in such actions.


    It's just another taboo out of the way, that's what I say

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