Use Logic Or STFU!
But if he shared your views then it wouldn't be questionable? The fook?Originally Posted by j2k4
His standing as a war hero is questionable, Les.
Poor Mr Murtha
You would think after being in politics for so long he would have realised that you are only a respected war hero if you don't upset the people currently in power. All things are relative it would seem
The only truly verifiable fact is he made it home from Viet Nam.
Looking for loopholes
From what I can determine he served in Korea and then volunteered to go to Vietnam for a year in 67. The issue seems not to be whether he served, starting at the bottom and going up through the ranks to colonel in what was a long spell in the military, but whether he deserved all his medals. His biggest critics seem to be people he has defeated in elections (on both sides of the house). With regards medals, much of what goes on on the battlefield is unsung - the obtaining of medals is often a case of being in the right place at the right time.
The fact that he was in Korea and volunteered for more in Vietnam probably suggests he does have a screw loose though.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
Use Logic Or STFU!
Agreed.
en(un)lightened
1. I have never even heard anyone call Murtha a "coward".
2. There are unanswered questions as to his having received such things as Purple Hearts under dubious circumstances.
3. I myself do not question his military service, though my not having served would not constrain me if I saw fit.
4. Apart from the fact ABSCAM should have served to end his political career, I hold no brief against him apart from the fact he is a stupid person, which is not a crime.
In other words, you've wasted your post, insofar as it does not correspond with my own.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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1. jean shmidt did it on the house floor ffs.
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(working on finding the video)"They may be with you for the first few bullets but they won't be there for the last tough battles."-- Karl Rove, on John Kerry and John Murtha, Reuters, 6/13
Cheney said In a clear reference to Murtha, (he was replying to a question about murtha)These are just a few lawmakers and high ranking administration officials. The right wing noise machine (blogs, columnists, radio, fox news opinion shows etc.) is splattered with the "coward" smear"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone -- but we're not going to sit by and let them rewrite history."
[cavuto]Perhaps when you say you never even heard someone call him a coward you mean just people you talk to?[\cavuto]
2. unanswered questions about his purple hearts based on what? Someone suggesting something starting a rumor? The mere fact that he was in combat and wounded is enough. Does it have to be a single handed assault on a machine gun while carrying a wounded child under his arm to safety?. Are soldiers only hero's if they are wounded...Says a lot for the ones that escape injury.
3.
4. ABSCAM - use your standard for rove et al.
Put your ego away....it wasn't made in reply to your post...you might have got a clue if "it does not correspond with your own"In other words, you've wasted your post, insofar as it does not correspond with my own
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it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
May I assume I'm responding appropriately just now?
Again, this time you stated I was your counter, rather than merely implying it.1. jean shmidt did it on the house floor ffs.
another non server
(working on finding the video)
FoxNews, in the heat of ideology, must have overlooked Ms. Schmidt's commentary...
Cheney said In a clear reference to Murtha, (he was replying to a question about murtha)I will assume a liberal prerogative to inform you haughtily that the word "coward" does not appear in the quote you have cited, however I cannot state concretely that Mr. Cheney isn't implying cowardice."The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone -- but we're not going to sit by and let them rewrite history."
These are just a few lawmakers and high ranking administration officials. The right wing noise machine (blogs, columnists, radio, fox news opinion shows etc.) is splattered with the "coward" smear
[cavuto]Perhaps when you say you never even heard someone call him a coward you mean just people you talk to?[\cavuto]
I should remind you that, while Conservative rhetoric will "smear" if overused, only Liberal rhetoric "splatters"; this is attributable to it's extremely high bullshit content.
Oh, BTW-
The latest Liberal scandal is a scientific finding which notes that sources of organic Liberal B.S. were permanently exhausted in early November of 1996, and Liberals have been using a cheap synthetic grade ever since.
The fake stuff has a half-life of eight years, which equals two Presidential terms.
2. unanswered questions about his purple hearts based on what? Someone suggesting something starting a rumor? The mere fact that he was in combat and wounded is enough. Does it have to be a single handed assault on a machine gun while carrying a wounded child under his arm to safety?. Are soldiers only hero's if they are wounded...Says a lot for the ones that escape injury.
Can't honestly say, but then, neither can Murtha...
As to what constitutes a hero, you're the one throwing out definitions, so it's your story.
You tell it.
3.
See above.
4. ABSCAM - use your standard for rove et al.
I was a news-consuming adult when ABSCAM broke, and I remember it well...Murtha figured prominently.
The recovery of his political career was almost otherworldly.
I have heard every little thing relative to criticism of Rove, and if you are referring to the Wilson/Plame affair, any argument you may have tried to make for Rove's involvement was thoroughly nuked and discredited about a month-and-a-half ago; even the N.Y. Times threw in the towel, ffs.
Put your ego away....it wasn't made in reply to your post...you might have got a clue if "it does not correspond with your own"In other words, you've wasted your post, insofar as it does not correspond with my own
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
there is no god
I implied nothing regarding you,
That you thought it was directed at you even though "it does not correspond with your own" suggests either your ego needs a reality check or you are paranoid
The rest just looks like I was arguing with myself (badly)...I mean all those blue words within my "quote"
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
Absent my participation, your posting certainly gives that impression.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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