Philosophy

[Lamsey]

Lamsey & Co. - facetious, tongue-in-cheek remarks a speciality!

[smellycat]

Both thought and language are mediums of our perception of reality.

Thought is internal.
Language is about communication, and therefore external.

Language is the visible/audible representation of thought.

Thought "Objectifies" reality. eg:
book, chair, table, love, philosopy, kazaa, self
Forms a framework of how we fit in with reality.

When a race has several words for the word snow, then
their view of snow is different from mine.

Does an aboriginal child, when forced to learn English,
have a different percepion of reality to his elders?

Does someone who was born deaf, dumb and blind think?
They may have brain activity reponsive to outside stimuli
but do they think? Or do they just live in some black
foggy dreamworld?

[Z]

Originally posted by stg1123@4 June 2003 - 18:41
@Z
ok. A perfect society is in truth a synthesis between the good of the group existing in a balance with the good of the individual. So the individuals rights are affected when a government can take any actions form an "at all costs" perspective. I have an old line which says that a governments job is to make sure the trash is taken away and our toilets flush propewrly through a decent sewege system. When they get that right they can start with health, eduaction, welfare, etc. If the government are running the country correctly (see it like a business) then they should be in profit like any well running company and then they wouldn't need "all costs" to ensure wealth and stability.
another point. Stability is a personal thing, you could argue that it has nothing to do with the govt. and that man's stability is dependant on a variety of personal and interpersonal factors.
Hope that helps a little

thanks for the help. i think the point "maintain stability and PROSPERITY by any means necessary" is a good point for the other side though. to help a society prosper, you are helping them, giving to them. so "by any means necessary", this is not necessarily a bad thing. how can i object and argue this?

ok, my main point must also object the fact that the govt's #1 priority is making the society stable and prosper. essentially, the govt's main objective should be to help the citizens, ie with healthcare, education, jobs, etc, keep a good economy with international trade, etc. keeping its society, culture, and people stable and prosperous is good, but not first priority. do you think this is a valid point?

[Assultsniper]

Well Ladies and Gentelmen heres the meaning of life: Be nice to others,respect yourself and every one and everything,eat as much as you need to and kill only for self defence or if you need the food.

It's as simple as that the human brain is still not capable of understanding the reason of its existance, it's just not meant to be. I dont belive in any religion but I belive that People should be good to each other no matter what and people should treat animals the same.

What a deep subject.

[chalice]

Philosophy is the love of knowledge. Nothing more or less. The Greeks coined it. That's their definition and it's good enough for me.

[imported_stg1123]

ok, my main point must also object the fact that the govt's #1 priority is making the society stable and prosper. essentially, the govt's main objective should be to help the citizens, ie with healthcare, education, jobs, etc, keep a good economy with international trade, etc. keeping its society, culture, and people stable and prosperous is good, but not first priority. do you think this is a valid point?

Yes I think that was what I was trying to get to. Prosperity is nice obviously and helps a lot but doesnt mean Jack if the people are depressed and unhappy. etc...

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Assultsniper@7 June 2003 - 00:33
No! the meaning of live cant be explained by humans so instead the meaning of live is these rules to people.


Do you have to comment to everything?

Not everything.

However I feel strangely compelled to comment on the fact that your last post was drivel.

[JPaul]

That was me as well, the chap who started it.

[eatchocolate]

@Z
ok. A perfect society is in truth a synthesis between the good of the group existing in a balance with the good of the individual. So the individuals rights are affected when a government can take any actions form an "at all costs" perspective. I have an old line which says that a governments job is to make sure the trash is taken away and our toilets flush propewrly through a decent sewege system. When they get that right they can start with health, eduaction, welfare, etc. If the government are running the country correctly (see it like a business) then they should be in profit like any well running company and then they wouldn't need "all costs" to ensure wealth and stability.
another point. Stability is a personal thing, you could argue that it has nothing to do with the govt. and that man's stability is dependant on a variety of personal and interpersonal factors.
<p>Hope that helps a little

A perfect society cannot be described.
Our intellec, knowledge, opinions are only a reflection of our experiences in life!
You describe this perfect society based on what you've been taught!
I would say it cannot be described with a human brain! A perfect society would have to include "pure" people. "Pure" in its whole meaning!

But a good society could be a communist place (like someone said earlier on). Where every one is equal, everyone has been "brainwashed" to be in complete agreement with his governors rules, ideals.
This means no place for freedom of thinking. Instore a way of thinking in each one of us to follow the rules with a complete natural. The exact same way we don't kill people today. Or in a more obvious situation, where having certain thoughts about some minorities are considered as "bad".
I am not saying be racist... But if the twat next to me wants to express his thoughts about white, blacks, jews, etc. why can't he? So that there is no chance to be persuaded he is right!!! After all, if he says "I hate jews", where's your freedom of making your own choice in agreeing with him or not?

Originally posted by Kid1A@5 June 2003 - 00:23
A ? for you Philisopical people

To What Extent Can Thought Develop Without Language?

tricky one....

thoughts often are more images then anything else....but language helps you to develop urself....

I think thought without knowing language are more pretty limited

Develop is not the right word here my friend! How could you possibly develop thoughts with sound?! You can only express them!

Well Ladies and Gentelmen heres the meaning of life: Be nice to others,respect yourself and every one and everything,eat as much as you need to and kill only for self defence or if you need the food.

It's as simple as that the human brain is still not capable of understanding the reason of its existance, it's just not meant to be. I dont belive in any religion but I belive that People should be good to each other no matter what and people should treat animals the same.

What a deep subject.

I agree with you, The human brain is not capable of understanding the reason of its existance! IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE!
I do believe in GOD. And our aim is not to understand how everything started (in a scientific way). Even if it is an interesting subject.


Anyway, to put GOD in this question of "why?"
One thing I want you to think about:
Define small and large. You will find out that you can't do so without going all the way to infinity!
So now, what is infinity? Where does it begin? Where does it end?

[Mr JP Fugley]

One thing I want you to think about:
Define small and large. You will find out that you can't do so without going all the way to infinity!
So now, what is infinity? Where does it begin? Where does it end?

It starts in Croy and ends in a small motorway services just outside of Guildford.