France

[clocker]

Originally posted by angellynn26@20 June 2003 - 22:04


I'm sorry, but I cannot have any respect for someone who defends a treasonous man. I mean, come on! Defend your country, defend your political views and party, but for God's sake, don't defend a sadistic man and then have the balls to apply any valid reasoning to it! The man is scum, plain and simple.

Angellynn,
I think you might want to leave room for the possibility that someone equally as intelligent as yourself, with access to the same information as you, has reached the conclusion that Bush is not "treasonous" or "sadistic".
In which case it wouldn't take balls to defend their opinion, just the willingness to express it.
Your post smacks somewhat of "my way or the highway!".

[human_pet]

Originally posted by ShockAndAwe^i^@19 June 2003 - 03:32
Unbelievable!
France is at it again.
This time they are enablers of terror!
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Helping Hamas: French Farce or Fair Choice?
Wednesday, June 18, 2003

A day after President Bush accused the Palestinian militants (search) of sabotaging the Middle East peace process and urged world leaders to take a hard line against them, the French stymied yesterday an attempt by the European Union to blacklist the group's leadership.

"It is in our interest to have Palestinian interlocutors," French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said. "I distrust a strategy based on cutting off dialogue."

The move by de Villepin, whose government also has opposed American demands to shun Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, infuriated British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.

"Hamas has rejected the road map and is literally trying to blow it up," said Straw, who proposed outlawing the group.

Helping Hamas: French farce or fair choice?

A sample of your responses:

The French say they are against terrorism and they support Hamas. The only things that can be assumed are:
Sacrificing your children to indiscriminately blow up buses is not terrorism
Hamas is not a terrorist organization
In the mind of the French, Israelis are the terrorists.
France is working with Arafat and Hamas to kill their very own Road Map to peace.
Jan P.
Bristow, VA

Can you explain to me how it is possible to separate the military wing and political wing of Hamas. During the rise of the Nazi Party, did the world try to separate the military faction and the political faction of that regime. Until the world understands that there is no separation between political and military they will never be able to deal with these terrorist spreading entities.
Margo M.
Southwest Harbor, ME

Their anti-semetic support for Hamas is not suprising. Bush took out the shades of grey and France would rather stand against Israel and America on terrorism issues.
James A.

France really want to talk to Hamas? I don't think so - if the Americans decided they were going to open talks with Hamas then I bet you France would be totally against it. They are just being difficult (as usual). Anyway don't be too hard on them, if it wasn't for the French who else could we laugh at? And another thing, why do you have to make this show so god damn entertaining? I'm supposed to be revising for exams but i just can't drag myself away from the tv!
From the No. 1 foxfan across the pond,
Jonathan
England

This is a really simple thing here. Hamas is a terrorist group. The French are supporting them. We need to put France on our terrorist sponsor list and not do a damn thing to help them and go after them also. You all need to tell the French to get all of the dingleberry's out of their eyes.
Todd C.
Canton, MI

Helping Hamas: French Farce or Fair Choice?
They even went against the EU!
If anyone can find a more in depth article please post it here.

Enable Terror????Are you saying that it is WRONG to help people who want to defend their country,people and property from invaders???

Salam/Peace

[echidna]

Originally posted by clocker+21 June 2003 - 14:20--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 21 June 2003 - 14:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-angellynn26@20 June 2003 - 22:04


I&#39;m sorry, but I cannot have any respect for someone who defends a treasonous man.&nbsp; I mean, come on&#33;&nbsp; Defend your country, defend your political views and party, but for God&#39;s sake, don&#39;t defend a sadistic man and then have the balls to apply any valid reasoning to it&#33;&nbsp; The man is scum, plain and simple.

Angellynn,
I think you might want to leave room for the possibility that someone equally as intelligent as yourself, with access to the same information as you, has reached the conclusion that Bush is not "treasonous" or "sadistic".
In which case it wouldn&#39;t take balls to defend their opinion, just the willingness to express it.
Your post smacks somewhat of "my way or the highway&#33;". [/b][/quote]
i totally understand loosing respect for the blind supporters of certain political forces in my own country these people often seem like traitorous aliens to me, driven by fear, paranoia, media instruction and greed
truth that is inconvenient isn&#39;t important

i would concede that bush jnr is greedy and reckless

[i think must of the world doesn&#39;t believe a word that comes out of washington in regard to palestine, the US doesn&#39;t seem to want peace. it keeps talking about peace but it&#39;s actions speak a very clear and MUCH louder message, and have done for decades]

[Rat Faced]

Shock & Awe, I misread the starting post of this thread and answered incorrectly, in my opinion.

To Clarify:

Hamas cannot BE negotiated with, and I agree should not be invited to the Negociating Table.....See the Israel/Pallestine thread for more in depth of my feeling for Hamas.

Arrafat/PLO/Pallestinian Authority....SHOULD be there, representing the Pallestinian People, for the reasons given earlier in the thread.

Again, read the Israel/Pallestine thread for my distinction between the two different groups.

My Appologise for the confusion, caused by hearing different on our news, to that which you posted....Our news never mentioned any support on the part of the French for Hamas...

Peace.

RF

[hobbes]

i think must of the world doesn&#39;t believe a word that comes out of washington in regard to palestine, the US doesn&#39;t seem to want peace. it keeps talking about peace but it&#39;s actions speak a very clear and MUCH louder message, and have done for decades).

Echidna,

You again make a statement I fail to understand. I infer from your post that the problem in Israel is not the native Jews, nor the Palestineans, but rather the US, keeping the hive angry.

What do we have to gain by continued strife? Are you proposing that the American government is controlled by our Jewsish citizens, who desire the eradication of the Palestineans and not peace? I mean, it is their relatives who are at danger of being killed on any given day. I wouldn&#39;t wish that on my family. As you know, the rest of don&#39;t care about this pitifully laughable drama which has been going on since I can remember.




As for civil war 2, I&#39;m still trying to figure out who to attack, what I am revolting against and why I can&#39;t just vote people out of office instead of attacking Washington.
Even if we did attack and win, who would we put in charge? Who and what do we represent?

Actually, we have a large middle class and in America poor people are fat and own cars, Tv&#39;s and have a phone.


I tend to view the military and government as looking out for my best interests, not a foe to contend with. Guns are sort of ingrained in our history out of necessity. As a fledgling nation, we felt vulnerable to foreign attack and the local man may need to be called to arms at a moments notice (minutemen). Although we eventually developed a formal military, guns remained in the possession of the individual. Today, people here do not have guns to protect themselves from the government and it&#39;s military, we have guns so that poor people can make babies they can&#39;t care for then shoot each other over drugs.


I really think your view of America is skewed, you really don&#39;t have a good feel for the average citizen. I think you need to come visit us for a few months. I would suggest staying with Clocker, as my apartment has only 1 bedroom, and I don&#39;t share well.


Edit: Acknowledging a sweeping statement.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by clocker+21 June 2003 - 05:20--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 21 June 2003 - 05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-angellynn26@20 June 2003 - 22:04


I&#39;m sorry, but I cannot have any respect for someone who defends a treasonous man.&nbsp; I mean, come on&#33;&nbsp; Defend your country, defend your political views and party, but for God&#39;s sake, don&#39;t defend a sadistic man and then have the balls to apply any valid reasoning to it&#33;&nbsp; The man is scum, plain and simple.

Angellynn,
I think you might want to leave room for the possibility that someone equally as intelligent as yourself, with access to the same information as you, has reached the conclusion that Bush is not "treasonous" or "sadistic".
In which case it wouldn&#39;t take balls to defend their opinion, just the willingness to express it.
Your post smacks somewhat of "my way or the highway&#33;".[/b][/quote]
Angellynn,

Although I am not a Bush supporter, I think you comments are harsh.
Please explain why Bush is treasonous, sadistic scum. These are just libelous words, put forth without any clarification of what in particular is angering you so.
Some of us are not brainwashed machines being fed lies, or so we believe.


As for blowjobs, are they counted when we publish unemployment rates? I think it is the obligation of every women to get that rate to 0&#33;

Seriously, I was talking to a friend from Colombia and I asked her what she thought about the whole scandal. She basically said that we must have a great and wonderful country for this to even be an issue. She would love for something that trivial to even hit the public radar screen in Colombia.

Yes, if a bj is a national political concern, things are going well.

[Rat Faced]

Today, people here do not have guns to protect themselves from the government and it&#39;s military, we have guns so that poor people can make babies they can&#39;t care for then shoot each other over drugs.

Off topic i know...but that is a rather sweeping statement

it&#39;s actions speak a very clear and MUCH louder message, and have done for decades

Crap.

It runs in cycles.

10 years ago the USA were instrumental in the Peace Process in Israel/Pallestine.

The USA did not elect the Government of Israel that tore up that agreement and started the whole sorry state of affairs off again.

Much as I hate the present US foreign policy, the USA is NOT responsable for EVERY ill in the world.

Granted that their current policy exagerates the problem...they did not start it.

[clocker]

Originally posted by hobbes@21 June 2003 - 14:36


I really think your view of America is skewed, you really don&#39;t have a good feel for the average citizen.&nbsp; I think you need to come visit us for a few months.&nbsp; I would suggest staying with Clocker, as my apartment has only 1 bedroom, and I don&#39;t share well.

Excellent idea, hobbes.
Echidna you are welcome any time.


Like most Americans (I don&#39;t know what hobbes&#39; problem is), I live in a castle. There are rooms I haven&#39;t been in for months, so plenty of space for you.
When we rise in the morning the paper will be folded on the table and since I only read the comics the boring news and opinion sections will be pristine.

We&#39;ll eat enough food to stun a mastadon and then get on with the day.

Usually I try to get my duties out of the way early, so we&#39;ll burnup my allotment of 20 gallons of gasoline aimlessly cruising around in my inefficient American car.
We have to idle for a while to do our part in destroying the ozone layer, but that time is well spent searching for minorities to oppress or working poor to harrass.

After &#39;work&#39; is done it&#39;ll be naptime.

Then comes dinner and we have to be sure to consume more food than is necessary or it will be shipped overseas to starving Africans.

Later, in front of my big screen TV, semi comatose from the giant steaks we ate, we can watch Comedy Central or the Playboy Channel. I have a dish and get 500 channels, but have never bothered learning how to program my remote.

When you are ready to retire for the evening you will welcome to any of my Honduran house slaves. They are quite accomodating as they fear deportation.

I&#39;m sorry I can&#39;t offer more, but I&#39;m only Middle Class and am only just getting by.

Oh, I forgot the Political Indoctrination Hour, but as a visitor you&#39;ll probably not be required to attend. I&#39;m usually a bit groggy after these sessions, you&#39;ll have to amuse yourself till I come to. Perhaps you would like to wander around my vast collection of Nikes and PS2s.

At any rate, if this sounds educational you are welcome to visit.

Clocker

[ShockAndAwe^i^]

Originally posted by angellynn26@21 June 2003 - 05:04
BTW, what is Plaese?

Typical left wing resopnse.
Attack the typo&#33;

Btw I&#39;m not a blind follower of GB.
He&#39;s just better than all the liberal Democrats that see the DNC flag before they see the Stars and Stripes.
I don&#39;t think this country can afford to have any of them at the wheel at this most dangerous time in history.

[clocker]

Originally posted by ShockAndAwe^i^@22 June 2003 - 14:03


Btw I&#39;m not a blind follower of GB.
He&#39;s just better than all the liberal Democrats that see the DNC flag before they see the Stars and Stripes.
I don&#39;t think this country can afford to have any of them at the wheel at this most dangerous time in history.

I wonder which &#39;liberal Democrats" you could be talking about.

I wish we had someone at the helm at this "most dangerous time in history" who demonstrated a better grasp of world affairs and was able to convince other leaders that he understood the concept of diplomacy.

By being a unwavering lackey to big business and the rich, Bush has already guaranteed himself of a comfy future in corporate America, I can&#39;t believe he&#39;s so stupid as to want to run for a second term.