Iraqi oil to Israel

[torrentt]

Ermm, what efforts would those be, exactly?

yes , i'm really want to know these efforts

if what you saying above is true that will end any try whatsoever
for peace in middle east .
islamic groups in iraq will bomb every pipeline when they know that it carries oil to isreal.
arabian and islamic people will be more than angry that usa gives the arabian oil to fuel the isreali fighters which killed innocent people in Gaza and western bank in daily basis
and let's talk about usa staying in iraq
usa came to iraq to find mass destruction wepeons which they knew it was a big lie and an excuse to invde iraq and took its oil.
now, after 4 years 3000 american soldiers killed more than 20000 wounded
american administration still insists on staying in iraq
i guess if this means anything it will mean that this administration don't care about how many americans got killed they only care how much oil they can have

you have no idea what you are talking about
1) islamic groups (mainly shiites) kill and bomb people and things cos they are insane, they kill non shiites on a regular base, even other muslims. so if the oil goes to israel its just an excuse for bombing usa properties
2) idf does not "kill innocent people in Gaza and western bank in daily basis". if u want to argue about this u may do so, but i guess i won't change your mind.
3) you are islamic so all i just said actually have no point

[lynx]

yes , i'm really want to know these efforts

if what you saying above is true that will end any try whatsoever
for peace in middle east .
islamic groups in iraq will bomb every pipeline when they know that it carries oil to isreal.
arabian and islamic people will be more than angry that usa gives the arabian oil to fuel the isreali fighters which killed innocent people in Gaza and western bank in daily basis
and let's talk about usa staying in iraq
usa came to iraq to find mass destruction wepeons which they knew it was a big lie and an excuse to invde iraq and took its oil.
now, after 4 years 3000 american soldiers killed more than 20000 wounded
american administration still insists on staying in iraq
i guess if this means anything it will mean that this administration don't care about how many americans got killed they only care how much oil they can have

you have no idea what you are talking about
1) islamic groups (mainly shiites) kill and bomb people and things cos they are insane, they kill non shiites on a regular base, even other muslims. so if the oil goes to israel its just an excuse for bombing usa properties
2) idf does not "kill innocent people in Gaza and western bank in daily basis". if u want to argue about this u may do so, but i guess i won't change your mind.
3) you are islamic so all i just said actually have no point

If your comments are correct, why is it that the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is about 4 to 1 (7 to 1 in the case of the deaths of children).

How exactly does building this pipeline help the peace process?
Seems to me like it is a perfect example of the argument that the only intention for the Iraq conflict was to secure oil supplies.

Get your head out of the sand and see things as they really are, don't just accept the propaganda your government feeds you.

[torrentt]

you have no idea what you are talking about
1) islamic groups (mainly shiites) kill and bomb people and things cos they are insane, they kill non shiites on a regular base, even other muslims. so if the oil goes to israel its just an excuse for bombing usa properties
2) idf does not "kill innocent people in Gaza and western bank in daily basis". if u want to argue about this u may do so, but i guess i won't change your mind.
3) you are islamic so all i just said actually have no point

If your comments are correct, why is it that the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is about 4 to 1 (7 to 1 in the case of the deaths of children).

How exactly does building this pipeline help the peace process?
Seems to me like it is a perfect example of the argument that the only intention for the Iraq conflict was to secure oil supplies.

Get your head out of the sand and see things as they really are, don't just accept the propaganda your government feeds you.

look who is talking, u'r from england, i'm from israel
i guess i have a better point of view of things here
u can keep watching bbc/aljazira

[lynx]

If your comments are correct, why is it that the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is about 4 to 1 (7 to 1 in the case of the deaths of children).

How exactly does building this pipeline help the peace process?
Seems to me like it is a perfect example of the argument that the only intention for the Iraq conflict was to secure oil supplies.

Get your head out of the sand and see things as they really are, don't just accept the propaganda your government feeds you.

look who is talking, u'r from england, i'm from israel
i guess i have a better point of view of things here
u can keep watching bbc/aljazira

My information comes from a much more reliable source than any government or news channel. It comes from my uncle, who lived in Jerusalem for some years. Much of his time there was spent attempting to get all sides to recognise that there can be no solution until they stop blaming someone else and recognise that most of their problems are self inflicted.

No doubt you will say that he was biased too, but I can assure you that this was not the case. Had it been so, there is little likelihood that his funeral would have been attended by senior representatives of ALL the worlds major religions.

So when it comes to having a better point of view, I think I may just have a slight edge on you.

[torrentt]

israel call all arabs in all countries for peace, but the last won't recognize in israel's right to be existed. maybe not all the citizens, but their governments, therefor the majority do

[lynx]

What, you mean like Israel's refusal to acknowledge the democratically elected Hamas-lead Palestinian government? You can't have it both ways, by behaving that way your own government has legitimised the action of those why will not recognise Israel.

In any case, the fact that, in Gaza, Hamas is now able to pay the wages of the civil servants and security forces gives grounds for the claim that Fatah was collaborating with the Israeli government in attempting to overthrow Hamas. That's illegal under Palestinian law and constitution, it's illegal under Israeli law and constitution, and it's illegal under International law.

If your own government can't obey it's own laws, how can it expect help and understanding from others?

[torrentt]

do u know what is hamas?
do u know it commits terror acts killing people from all ages inside israel?
do u know they kidnapped a soldier over a year ago and don't even let a video tape out?
not to say he is in a realy bad condition
do you know hamas doesn't recognize in israel's right to be existed?
do you know hamas kill the opposition the fatah with their family?
did you know that when they think someone help israel they will hang him out in the streets without any trial.
its clear to me you are lack with information so i was not mistaken when i said you don't know what going on here as an outsider
and thats the reason israel wants to help fatah, they are less fanatic and less crazy

[lynx]

See, you just don't get it do you.

You can't go around breaking your own laws, then complain when someone else does the same back at you.

In any case, Fatah has supposedly been in charge for almost 50 years, and your governments attempts at a solution, mainly by suppression of the Palestinians, has got exactly nowhere. This is largely because Arafat mistakenly thought that he could persuade the west to put pressure on the Israeli government. All that was ever going to achieve was more suppression of the Palestinians.

Hamas won't put up with that nonsense, which is why your government and the west tried to overthrow them. If they hold their ground your government is going to have to be more realistic and there may eventually be hope of a solution.

Look again at the actions of your own forces, they've killed 4 Palestinians for every Israeli killed, yet you call that justice. I suggest you look the word up in a dictionary, you might be surprised what it really means.

Clean up your own act and the rest of the world might have a little more sympathy for your cause. Your current path of murder, apartheid and suppression can never work, and as more and more truth emerges it certainly isn't gaining you any friends.

[torrentt]

read what i said about your idea for a partner - the hamas
also, i wanna see your army fighting against terror guerilla without innocents getting cought in the middle
our army tries to be as humanity as possible, yet a 100% success can never be achieved
i already said what is the solution and its the discussion table, not terror and get it into your mind

[vidcc]

i already said what is the solution and its the discussion table, not terror and get it into your mind

While I agree with that statement may I ask if you think that discussions should have no preconditions?

I think (certainly with this administration) that discussions are being prevented because of preconditions.

Here's an incredibly simplified summary of the problem

One side thinks Israel sits on stolen land (theirs) and they want it back. They will not sit down "at the table" unless the discussion is about how they are going to get their land back.(which is to say the other side has to yield before the discussion about how they should surrender the land they stole).


The other side says Israel has every right to exist and will not talk "at the table" until the other side concedes this (which is to say the other side has to admit Israel has a right to the land before the discussion about how they should not get their land back because it doesn't belong to them any more).