What.Cd's Lack of Seeders

**1000possibleclaws** · 01-22-2008, 07:24 PM

alot of people dont understand that seeding over 1:1 isnt helpful in this kind of situation. with no gifted upload or bonus system, to keep the site healthy everyone must seed 1:1, not greater. the people with seedboxes or really fast upload will seed the torrent you downloaded 10 times while you've seeded .5 times. It just fucks over the rest of us. then they also think they're a great help to the community with a ratio of 200 and 25 gb uploaded.. I've only passed 1:1 on 3 torrents, and i've been seeding over 30 for the past month and a bit.

please stop your torrent after you pass 1:1, unless there's a lack of seeders

**chicus** · 01-22-2008, 07:25 PM

Hum I think that they just make good ratios with windows or mac apps, and then hit n run on music torrents.

**1000possibleclaws** · 01-22-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by chicus

Hum I think that they just make good ratios with windows or mac apps, and then hit n run on music torrents.

actually this makes sense... i never thought about it that way.

**slimdogp** · 01-22-2008, 09:06 PM

Its all about the hit and runs. Take this torrent for instance..

Lil Wayne - The Mixtape (Mixed By DJ Medi Med) [2008/MP3/195kbps/Scene]

This was a scene release torrent that was pretty popular on most sites and spread fairly well. It got 9 snatches on what.cd, now there are zero seeders. Now.. did every user have < 1.0 ratio? No, of course not.. a few probably had good ratios on the torrent, and the rest hit n ran.

The crazy thing is that this torrent is only TWO DAYS OLD! On Oink you would probably have had at least an 80% retention rate after two days. Plus people would have been downloading the album from elsewhere and trying to seed it on Oink to make ratio.

I was a member when they handed out 10GB upload credit, so my ratio isn't really a problem. I try to snatch stuff whenever I need anything.. but that isn't that often. I have maybe 20 albums downloaded since the site opened. That being said, I am still seeding EVERYTHING I'VE EVER GOTTEN FROM THERE.

I have albums from as far back as 11/14/07 seeding. In order for a site to achieve like oink or bitmetv with good speeds, LONG torrent lives, people have to make a commitment not to do the bare minimum.

Oh I've reached 1.0? I'm gone...
Oh its been 3 days without a snatcher? Well that alleviates me from being a hit n runner.. I'm gone..
Oh I have 10GB buffer from when they gave it out? I'll seed for 24hours then I'm gone..

Members need to think of the health of the torrents, regardless of their personal statistics. If/when we can get 20,000 people doing that in unison, what.cd may start to remind you more and more of oink..

slim-

P.S. I hopped on and am seeding that lil wayne if anyone needs it

**Grind$oFine** · 01-22-2008, 09:23 PM

I agree with a lot of the things people said in this thread so far.

Multiple things are causing this.

1.) People upload as much music as they possibly can, a lot of old releases that many people snatched on OiNK already.

2.) Upload credit gifts/freeleech, and other times that have given people large buffers have given people really little reason to seed. On OiNK I seeded everything I downloaded for WEEKS before deleting it. My overall ratio was ~2. Most people seeded things for a long time, and their ratios remained ~1 to 2.5ish. Since the beginning users were given 10GB of upload credit. When you have 10 extra GB of upload credit, what reason do you have to seed for months?

So now people who snatched the torrent aren't seeding because they don't need to. The uploader may not be seeding anymore because it's been snatched already, they shouldn't have to seed it, it wasn't their personal rip and they probably care slightly less, and they also don't really need the upload credit anymore either.

So now we have this situation, new people come in, and they don't want to download because they're worried about their ratio. And they should be worried about it, but it's that mentality that is causing the problem in the first place.

AND in result, the seeders that stuck around stop seeding because no one is downloading.

It's a terrible cycle, and it seems whatcd needs to do something to sort it out, because it really could take some time for it to sort itself out. It grew too much too fast, and you have to be really careful with that.

**kostnkost** · 01-22-2008, 09:40 PM

I would be downloading if they didn't boot me like everyone else.

O' Well I like Waffles anyways.

**ScreaminJay** · 01-22-2008, 10:55 PM

Well, OiNK had 180k users... it's only normal it had more snatches and seeds.

However, I still had the same problem with some of my uploads there. They'd get 1-2 snatches and then get deleted for inactivity. Even while I was still seeding them, they were innactive for too long according to their rules that requested something like one snatch every 45 days I think.

Give it time, it will need a way larger userbase if it's gonna support as many torrents as OiNK. If there is 100k torrents for 35k members... it's certain some of them won't be snatched much.

**1000possibleclaws** · 01-22-2008, 11:19 PM

why do you guys think waffles and what are cutting their users down by so much? is it their servers load, cause i cant imagine the situation getting better if the users keep getting disabled.. it just puts more weight on existing users to keep torrents alive

**fOrUmAs** · 01-22-2008, 11:28 PM

i think when they set up that new gazelle code they will im sure do some major changes at site again,and also they will maybe change rules again abouth how many hours they need to seed and all that..untill that we have to live in that pigy system