Vote for reformation of the WIAW thread

[krunktastic]

I didn't want to be the one to do this; I am a community rep, mod on a few trackers, know a couple people and am pretty busy in school right now. However, I think it's time for serious change. The WIAW thread attracts unnecessary attention to the trackers that choose to remain secret, draws potential traders and high-risk sharers to more comfortable sites, and jeopardizes the security of trackers who wish to remain anonymous. The WIAW thread attaches a subjective value to a Bittorrent tracker, not based on it's content or community or any other effective component but simply on the difficulty of acquiring invites. I truly believe that it is time, like SgtMajor said, to revoke the status quo and push for reformation or elimination of the WIAW thread, and push for a new mentality comprised of a different perspective on what makes a tracker valuable. No longer should a tracker be rated solely on the difficulty of acquiring an invite, but the quality and quantity of the content it provides, the reach and effectiveness of the staff, and the community that provides locomotion for the tracker. We as FST members should push to reform this thread to make not only invites available for all, but to eliminate the way things have been headed and direct attention to the things that matter in a tracker. This is for the benefit of all. The trackers you work so hard to be a part of will not be as alienated by FST once the subjective and meaningless "rankings" are eliminated.

-Krunktastic

[1000possibleclaws]

except that quality is ALOT more subjective than rarity...

[WTAW]

But i would lose my JOB!!

It has been discussed to death in the past, the WTAW thread isn't going anywhere.

I don't want to debate on this once again

[krunktastic]

But i would lose my JOB!!

It has been discussed to death in the past, the WTAW thread isn't going anywhere.

I don't want to debate on this once again

Your "job" is not what is debatable. Your "job" is based on a trivial topic that deserves attention whether you in particular like it or not. Neither is it up to you to decide that "rarity" should be the basis of trading. Whoever you are hiding behind that identity, you should know that there are other things such as content, community, quantity and quality of torrents, and staff that make a tracker valuable. You, of all people, should know that rarity has the least importance of all those components and yet you still lay stress on those factors. Your comment was entirely irrelevant to the topic.

Likewise, the community is what creates a tracker, not the other way around. FST forums are no exception.

[Sanka113]

You can always work as a wal-mart janitor.

[grimms]

Krunk it will not happen. I would report all this to Reality. He and the adminstrators are the only ones who has the authority to rid it even though it is highly unlikely. I do share some of your frustrations but, what the'll probably tell you is to deal with it or do not continue to be a member of FST. I think there is some good but most traders and bad users hinder what otherwise is a very useful thread for informational purposes. But of course you always have people that take advantage of things.

[Nemrod]

This time I disagree with you.
The problem is not the rating, the problem is that people don´t understand what the rating means.
I am very clear about that, it´s stated that the level is based only on rarity. Who does not understand that, it´s his problem. Besides, the makers tell crystal clear other facts, like pre-times, speeds and others, it´s the info in brackets.
If people don´t care about knowing that things, or if they know but prefer the challenge of getting in X site because it´s very hard, sacrificing quality for snobbery, again: it´s their problem.
For example: I don´t deny Norbits can be an excellent tracker, but is pointed for Norwegian and Nordic users, why the hell somebody who does not understand a single word of those languages, that even has not a PAL TV could desire one invite to that tracker?. I was trying to get in it, until I was noticed about those facts, if tomorrow some friend offers me an invite to Norbits I will gently decline the offer, because although I know is an excellent site, it´s worthless for me, and I won´t give it the use that deserves.
And at the end, that level thing it´s not something exclusive of FST, every forum, blog, cave-site and bandits refugee in the web has the ranking, I don´t know if copied from here, but if tomorrow staff avoids it, for sure the ranking will remain.
I wouldn´t say it´s an info issue either, because the info and the explanation are there, for whoever wants to read it, the thing is that many people simply don´t care about that. "It´s hard, I want it... what for?... I don´t know, because I need it"
The odious e-penis word it´s definitely a great invent.

[krunktastic]

This time I disagree with you.
The problem is not the rating, the problem is that people don´t understand what the rating means.
I am very clear about that, it´s stated that the level is based only on rarity. Who does not understand that, it´s his problem. Besides, the makers tell crystal clear other facts, like pre-times, speeds and others, it´s the info in brackets.
If people don´t care about knowing that things, or if they know but prefer the challenge of getting in X site because it´s very hard, sacrificing quality for snobbery, again: it´s their problem.
For example: I don´t deny Norbits can be an excellent tracker, but is pointed for Norwegian and Nordic users, why the hell somebody who does not understand a single word of those languages, that even has not a PAL TV could desire one invite to that tracker?. I was trying to get in it, until I was noticed about those facts, if tomorrow some friend offers me an invite to Norbits I will gently decline the offer, because although I know is an excellent site, it´s worthless for me, and I won´t give it the use that deserves.
And at the end, that level thing it´s not something exclusive of FST, every forum, blog, cave-site and bandits refugee in the web has the ranking, I don´t know if copied from here, but if tomorrow staff avoids it, for sure the ranking will remain.
I wouldn´t say it´s an info issue either, because the info and the explanation are there, for whoever wants to read it, the thing is that many people simply don´t care about that. "It´s hard, I want it... what for?... I don´t know, because I need it"
The odious e-penis word it´s definitely a great invent.

So, concurring with you, why doesn't the WTAW thread, which particularly promotes the "worth" of trackers, promote the worth instead on a 1-10 basis and put the rarity in the brackets. The problem is not an absence of information but rather an incessant reconstruction to accurately represent the rarity of an invite. The point is that this just doesn't make sense and causes far more harm than good. I understand that traders want to trade, and I'm fine with that. Traders will be disappointed when they arrive at their "dream" trackers like FTN, FSC, and FTWR, because they assume because these trackers are hard to get then they must be worthwhile. I will never use FTN, nor FSC, nor any other tracker that is ranked about "level 7". It's a shame that this is what is important in the FST community; not sharing, but moving up the imaginary ladder.

except that quality is ALOT more subjective than rarity...

How? Explain.

Krunk it will not happen. I would report all this to Reality. He and the adminstrators are the only ones who has the authority to rid it even though it is highly unlikely. I do share some of your frustrations but, what the'll probably tell you is to deal with it or do not continue to be a member of FST. I think there is some good but most traders and bad users hinder what otherwise is a very useful thread for informational purposes. But of course you always have people that take advantage of things.

Not to be too serious or anything, but when people want change they shouldn't sit back and wait for it. If people want to change the way invites are perceived and eliminate that imaginary bounty on your invites, this is the way to do it.

You can always work as a wal-mart janitor.

win.

[Nemrod]

If the things go about getting in, the logic indicates that the primary fact to take in consideration is the difficulty level that any given site has.
And people... what they want is get in. FST tells how difficult or how easy is that. Nothing more, nothing less.

[1000possibleclaws]

if you rank over quality, there's just gonna be lots of bitching about "OHHH Torrentleech is better, cuz its got wayy more torrents than Sct" "WHAT RU TALKING ABOUT SCT IS FASTER PRETIMES, LALALALA..."

everyone is going to have their own opinion on how good their trackers are, and theres gonna be chaos and confusion, or alot of angry users.

rarity on the other hand is relatively debatable. in broad terms, it goes up when the invites are closed for a long period, and goes down again when the sites opens reg.

trust me theres no way rating 'quality' is ever gonna happen. it's just gonna be a bitchfest, except instead of 1 person bitching (you), its gonna be every single trader at fst.

im sorry if i was offensive to you, i'm not trying to be. im just trying to get the point across to you