BT Guru

[grimms]

well imo they're both fucked. But when you trade an account you are stealing someone else's identity on the tracker which opens up a whole can of worms. Also it encourages cheating to buffer accounts for a better trade. When you trade an account you are completely severing your ties with that account, therefor you don't care as much who your trading with. If you trade an invite you're responsible for who you invite and hopefully will take a little care with their past and what kind of member they'll become. There's more reasons that have been explained before, perhaps someone else will elaborate on it.

Bingo! Wish i stated that in my novel about four posts prior.

[supper]

well imo they're both fucked. But when you trade an account you are stealing someone else's identity on the tracker which opens up a whole can of worms. Also it encourages cheating to buffer accounts for a better trade. When you trade an account you are completely severing your ties with that account, therefor you don't care as much who your trading with. If you trade an invite you're responsible for who you invite and hopefully will take a little care with their past and what kind of member they'll become. There's more reasons that have been explained before, perhaps someone else will elaborate on it.

well thank you for clearing this but if any one whould like to cheat he will cheat in any way on his own account or on the account he willing to trade ( cheater is cheater ) and any one with seedbox or high speed conaction he will buffer his account by real upload as this will not make any problem or diffrent to him

stealing someone else's identity on the tracker which opens up a whole can of worms

identity ? fist of all its not calling stealing its call tradeing and what is the big deal to get a user name and password from some one he created its not a visa card identity u know and to trade the invites its not any better then tradeing accounts both put the tracker at risk are am i right? and both can let cheaters and hackers get in are am i right? and both are against the trackers rules and the wishes of the staffers are am i right?

i am sorry but relly i am not acting i am just trying to understand some points from a older memeber have a such great experience like u

[krunktastic]

How about this:

1. Make mods happy by allowing them to decide which accounts/invites get traded.

2. Fuck the titles altogether. I don't think any reps really care about their stars. Good members distinguish themselves.

[grimms]

How about this:

1. Make mods happy by allowing them to decide which accounts/invites get traded.

2. Fuck the titles altogether. I don't think any reps really care about their stars. Good members distinguish themselves.

1. Point one would work, if every mod or staff member of a specific tracker, were signed up at fst, unfortunately their not, but the solution would be to ban account/invite trading on every single tracker, where mods and other staff have signed up here and explicitly stated "We do not want any form of trading or giveaway's allowed on this site" and sticky it,

hopefully the list will grow and grow and grow. Easier solution to end all this pointless arguing as far as what to do, as far as account trading is to have an end all agreement. Permanently ban all forms of trading, only allow requests. unfortunately there is no way to know who is doing something bad through pms(Private Messages), but at least if a certain member was caught in public, actions could be taken.

2. More i think about point two, that may be even better. I do feel all tracker staff should have the name of the site they mod, own, or admin at under their avatar though. Especially if account trading becomes extinct once and for all.

[Mister Moo]

so much drama...

[DKre8ive1]

identity ? fist of all its not calling stealing its call tradeing and what is the big deal to get a user name and password from some one he created its not a visa card identity u know and to trade the invites its not any better then tradeing accounts both put the tracker at risk are am i right? and both can let cheaters and hackers get in are am i right? and both are against the trackers rules and the wishes of the staffers are am i right?

i am sorry but relly i am not acting i am just trying to understand some points from a older memeber have a such great experience like u

I think what sears mean is for example you trade an account and the person you gave it too cheats or even worse tries to sell it. Guess what happens next your ip gets banned across any sites that share info on bad users and even thou you have never sold or cheated on a account you end up on the hitlist because of it.

To top it off if you are truly trying to be a good user by keeping your own nick across multiple sites to show your all about contributing to file sharing and not just here to leech. It would suck that because of this member you gave this account too, you now have to start all over.

As for the BT Guru title I am not sure how it would work since it has to be a give in take like it was with the CR title. My question is it the same agreement as there was before since that is my understanding of what was post on the first post.

We also ask our members to respect these members and their site rules.

So does this mean that account trading will still not be allowed as long as we keep our end of the bargain?

[Skiz]

Let me clarify something that I think is being misunderstood.
I don't care about the status. I never cared about having "community rep" above my name.. I've been in my position long enough that status means nothing to me. I'm fine being a normal user here that's not what upsets me.

Long ago I used to disable every single user here who so as hinted at trading an invite, or an account. And I was very good at it. FST made a deal with me in the terms that I would allow invite trading at the cost of them dis-allowing account trading. I bit my lip and took the lesser of two evils. We both benefitted and everyone was happy. Myself, FST staff, and the users.

Now, things are back to the old system where it's a free for all and I'm going to once again be on a rampage of disabling every single user I see so as mention FTN. Part of the reason I agreed to allow invite trading here was because it took a load off my shoulders and gave me more time to put towards being an active member here in a more positive way rather than "The Big Bad Brandon".

What FST has now done, in my case as well as others, is open up the flood gates to a world of hurt. They've turned their backs on us (those of us who followed the agreement) and in turn broke the middle ground we once had established. So now FST is happy, but myself, and the users I'm going to be disabling will no longer be happy. That to me seems like more people will be unhappy than the old system, so we're sort of going backwards in terms of productivity here.

I'm pissed off because A: they broke the truce. and B: now I have devote all my time to disabling users rather than being an active member here.

For anyone who's reading this and wants my help, don't bother. I won't even waste my time reading my pm's anymore. I just don't have the time. I'm sorry, but I no longer have the option to help this community or its users.

This whole thread disgusts me. I'm finished with it and will not be making any further replies to this pathetic bullshit.

You act as if you're so oppressed and have been fucked over. I really thought you were past all this nonsense and would actually talk it out with us. Instead, you terminate our MSN conversation where we are trying to explain why the CR rank was removed and what we are doing to replace it for staffers such as yourself who have been friendly, but you couldn't be bothered I suppose. Instead, you immediately came to the forum and started bad-mouthing me and the staff.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse and repeat it all again (you can read you MSN history for that), but what do you feel you've been screwed on?

We don't owe you anything.

We don't owe any tracker anything.

Our main focus is FST, nothing else. That focus includes helping our members and being an informative resource for file sharing information all-around. The CR rank was all give on our part and required absolutely nothing from you or any other tracker staff member. You should be happy that it lasted as long as it did as you all got what you wanted and didn't have to do anything to get it.

Now we do away with it to protect FST'ers b/c too many staffers were taking advantage of it and all of a sudden we're the bad guys?? The forum is the same as it was last week, but since you don't have us to get rid of account trades at your beck and call, now the forum is reprehensible?? Get real.

Again, you want to know all the reasons, read your MSN history. RealitY and myself broke it down piece by piece.

[Something Else]

We also ask our members to respect these members and their site rules.

So does this mean that account trading will still not be allowed as long as we keep our end of the bargain?

It doesn't look like it.

I can understand why the reps are pissed off.


By handing out invites here (1) and being helpful the community reps have given up a lot of their time and energy.
This was a definite show of respect for this forum and in no way a given.
In return, FST agreed to ban account trades for the tracker that the com.rep was from, providing that they didn't interfere with invite trading. That's how I understand it anyway.

This seemed to work out ok to an extent.
To have this one remaining safety net taken away, after putting that effort in and keeping up the com.reps side of the bargain is a slap in the face to those that acted properly.
In real-life it would be called 'breach of contract'.
People normally get upset over that.

Communication and adequate preparation for this step seems to be the area that could have been and still could be improved upon in my opinion.
If any staff member does become a BT Guru and there are no rules in place to stop these accounts being traded then it will appear to the average person that these staffers are endorsing this vile practice.
I can't imagine any of them wanting to do that.

As it stands, things are unclear. Hopefully in the next few days we will have a clearer picture of what this forum's intentions are.


(1)
Inviting users from here is a two-sided coin. Half the users you get are great and the other half cause you hours of grief.*
*figures correct at the time this was posted. : P

[supper]

I think what sears mean is for example you trade an account and the person you gave it too cheats or even worse tries to sell it. Guess what happens next your ip gets banned across any sites that share info on bad users and even thou you have never sold or cheated on a account you end up on the hitlist because of it.

To top it off if you are truly trying to be a good user by keeping your own nick across multiple sites to show your all about contributing to file sharing and not just here to leech. It would suck that because of this member you gave this account too, you now have to start all over.

As for the BT Guru title I am not sure how it would work since it has to be a give in take like it was with the CR title. My question is it the same agreement as there was before since that is my understanding of what was post on the first post.

well thank you for replay DKre8ive1 u know how much i respact u for the useful posts and the help u always give it to many members here and not many members will disagree with that but

or example you trade an account and the person you gave it too cheats or even worse tries to sell it. Guess what happens next your ip gets banned across any sites that share info on bad users and even thou you have never sold or cheated on a account you end up on the hitlist because of it.

the guy who will trade account or sell account he could be the same guy who will sell invites or trade invite or even he could be a cheater also and he will face the same result and not many traders so stupid to trade account have the same username he useing it on many others trackers thats beside many traders dont use the same username on every single tracker he has for the record i am against tradeing personal accounts even i was a trader but all i wanna say the cheater or the seller who will have the account by trade or by selling he could be the same guy who will have invite by trade or by selling also the bad member still the same bad member its dosent matter if he will trade account or he will trade invite u still can call him trader and the seller who selling invites or account u still can call him a seller so i dont see any diffrent . and i am sure u will ban both of them and i am sure u dont like any trader in ur tracker also any way you are my favourite staffer and i just wanted to understand some points thank you for ur replay

i rest my case ....
and i apologize agien for my english.

[RealitY]

I have discovered is that if you show respect, you tend to get respect.

How does this work?

Well, at FSC we encourage our member to be our eyes and ears. After all, staff are not everywhere. Since many of our members are also members here, that attitude is reflected very much within the invite forums.

I am amazed at how many account request threads are drowned out by pro-FSC members. These people are proud to be members, and work along side staff in an attempt to ensure that account trades are minimised.

This is similar to what I mentioned in a pm message to Brandon and its true. Though he thinks the gates will open with mass threads trading FTN which remains to be proven. Think such threads will be responded to by his members and ours also. Dont think we really need to moderate the section like this. Things have changed and the members educate themselves. Weve watched that section go through multiple changes that members have brought about. Its nice watching the section evolve mostly on its own.

Think theres lots of information in this section and the pins in that section for a n00b to gather before that month comes up and choosing what theyre going to do. Do we really need to tell them what to do. Have we not provided enough. Take a look at that section and compare that to months back. Do you think its evolved and if so is it in the direction you had hoped for. Perhaps and if so the members have mostly done it and not by force. If we force it wont those members go to another site and the chance to enlighten them goes also.

I think that it would be best for everyone to take a deep breath and re-evaluate their positions. I believe it is not too late to reverse the situation.

Well its not like we wanted this. Its unfortunate a couple have taken this the way they have. Though they couldve hashed it out rather than the route they took. As mentioned we arent going to please all. Though we try different things. The whole thing with the new layout isnt even completly defined yet. Actually my initial post was looking for feedback on this.

In a nice warm place could we go back. Where we all sit down and try this again. Well I wish that were possible as we didnt have issue with the way it was. Dont think we need to get into how many times we were fked with regarding CR rank. Well we could complain like those that that are upset but whats the point. Think we simply need to redefine this and move on...