How safe is it in Germany?

**iLOVENZB** · 09-25-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by lovejj

hey
plz use private ftp site
u will be very safe

And where do you suppose we find one of those for free?

**Something Else** · 09-25-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Soulxp

>benchez

I see that your avatar reflects your character

say something good or don't

Thanks for pointing out my options. Whether what I say is good or not is subjective, Shirley.

**kahni** · 09-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Polarbear

Originally Posted by kahni

I have to say, that I did't have a problem until now in Germany and I'm downloading a lot from open trackers found over www.torrentz.com. But even if there are chances to get cought, the punishment is still very low.
What I heard (I'm not a specialist in law) is, that you'll only have to pay under 100 Euro, so just go ahead and download

for 100 € a lawyer wouldn't even pick up the phone. fines are much higher when you get caught. expect thousands of euro.

Hey Polarbear,

I might be wrong with my interpretation but §97 UrhG (Copyright Law) says that if you get cought the first time, the aggrieved party has the right to a replacement for their loss. The value of the loss is calculated by how much profit the owner has lost due to the violation of the offender. That should not be that bad as a Movie/Game etc. isn't so expensive.
In §97a it further says, that the amount that you have to pay for the work of the lawyer of the aggrieved party is 100 Euro.

All in all that doesn't sound that bad, does it? But it only applies to the first time you get cought, as an injunktion will forbid you from doing it again.

As I do not have any experiences with the interpretation of laws I migth surely be wrong but I really would very much like to know what will expect me if the time comes

kahni

**Sonnentier** · 09-26-2008, 10:46 AM

The 100 € cap is not valid for "a complete album" or a "new movie".
Also you might trigger many copyright violations without knowing it - the bill might come months after that.