So America is withdrawing from Iraq

[lamuller]

Some people like skizo said that terrorists have to lay low for a while till we are gone... actually u guyz dont leave the middle east... u can interrupt anytime u want even if terrorists show off there...U guyz had 520000 soldiers in saudi arabia probably still do..... still have an base in UAE and in other various countries...So Nothing big can take place in the iraq... only minor bombings


You guyz went Iraq for various reasons... the ones i can count...
1)The aggressive behaviour of Saddam to endanger the middle eastern countries which could rise the price of oil dramatically... u wanted to put an end to this...
2)Kinda to save the shii people from the totalitarian sunni dictatorship (sunnis was minority yet ruling class...)
3)Because of Al qaeda and Saddams support for Anwarul islam who was in touch with Al qaeda...

Impacts of this withdrawal?
1) U guyz kinda gave Bin Laden and people like Mullah Omer the right to praise themselves off this withdrawal. Mobilization will be easier...
2)Shii movements in the region might get higher and some Shiis might start to call others to stand up and fight... leading the shiis in the saudi arabia to be separated from saudi arabia...
3)Wahhabis in the saudi arabia will try to wahhabize the iraq...
4)Taliban will easily use the black market in the iraq via drugs or other staff... so heroin will be easy to find people will be poisoned easily et cetera...

My personal view on the matter on a bigger scale... is that Al qaeda or the similar organizations achieve the desired effect... and get nuclear arms to fight back.... and bring this order into an end... why? because the worlds richest three persons wealth is equal to the gdp of worlds poorest 48 countries... and one more thing... damn law is there to protect the riches of those privilidged.... anyway last part was kinda irrelevant though..

nice to be back... luv this place no matter how they see me...

Only one reason sir, oil....

[j2k4]

Oh, that's rich..."a constant subject of discussion between the media and the Bush administration"...like there was ever an actual give-and-take between the two.
The last time Bush gave any clear indication about how the war was going was his famous "Mission Accomplished" fiasco in 2003.

For the next five years his administration never gave a single concrete example of what the ultimate goal or end point might be.
Rather than define the mission in any clearcut fashion, Bush spent all his energy trying to define those who questioned him as unpatriotic and cowardly.

Bush called someone "cowardly"?

"Unpatriotic"?

When?

Where?

Bush was constantly buzzed by the media for an answer to the question, and gave various answers at various times, given conditions/circumstances/situations.

Don't pretend he never entertained the question.

You are in fact, fond of the same tactic.
Having broadly stated that the Obama financial aid legislation is going to be the biggest disaster in American history, you refuse to provide any metrics by which to gauge it's success/failure.

So, much like Bush- who's war would be over whenever he said it would be- Obama is a failure simply because you say he is.

Okay.

There is no "metric" for that which has never occurred before, so this is how I figure it:

Socialism is counter to capitalism.

Capitalism gave us trains, planes, and automobiles, and a cornucopia of goods and services.

Socialism has given us nothing.

Socialism is in financial straits wherever it is currently practiced; think in terms of the US Postal Service, hitting us up for more cash every year or two, and now threatening to fold their tent on Saturdays to ensure financial viability (until next year...maybe).

Then look at UPS, a private enterprise that kicks ass and takes names - given open and unsubsidized competition between the two, the USPS would be toast immediately.

Socialism is in financial trouble all over Europe, and it's gonna get lots worse, 'cuz B.O. is gonna hack the guts out of our capitalist-funded defense capability, which means the Europeans will have to foot their own defense instead of spending every spare cent on their panoply of social programs, programs that only got off the ground because US defense spending afforded them the leeway.

Gee, though, no more Soviet nuke threat, no more need for our umbrella, and everyone can fly on their own, now (fine with me).

Now, given all that, we're supposed to believe socialism will work here, because B.O. is the man with the plan?

That he's smarter than all who have gone before (and failed miserably)?

Bullshit.

Now comes Gordon Brown, to tout an international "New Deal"?

Bullshit.

FDR's efforts to thwart the depression were an utter failure; WWII ended the Great Depression, nothing else.

If Obama wants to do something, let him figure out a way to make war bad for business.

That'd be something, now, wouldn't it?

[clocker]

Capitalism gave us trains, planes, and automobiles, and a cornucopia of goods and services.

And "socialism" gave the tracks that trains run on, the air traffic controllers who direct the planes and the interstate highways for the cars.
All funded and maintained by the government.

Then look at UPS, a private enterprise that kicks ass and takes names - given open and unsubsidized competition between the two, the USPS would be toast immediately.

Actually, for most things I much prefer the USPS.
So does a friend of mine who's wife runs a eBay store from home and thus, ships a lot.
He HATES UPS.

Basically, the US has had socialistic programs in place for decades (Social Security, anyone?), so the current outrage from the right seems like mere posturing to me.

[bilkenter]

Some people like skizo said that terrorists have to lay low for a while till we are gone... actually u guyz dont leave the middle east... u can interrupt anytime u want even if terrorists show off there...U guyz had 520000 soldiers in saudi arabia probably still do..... still have an base in UAE and in other various countries...So Nothing big can take place in the iraq... only minor bombings


You guyz went Iraq for various reasons... the ones i can count...
1)The aggressive behaviour of Saddam to endanger the middle eastern countries which could rise the price of oil dramatically... u wanted to put an end to this...
2)Kinda to save the shii people from the totalitarian sunni dictatorship (sunnis was minority yet ruling class...)
3)Because of Al qaeda and Saddams support for Anwarul islam who was in touch with Al qaeda...

Impacts of this withdrawal?
1) U guyz kinda gave Bin Laden and people like Mullah Omer the right to praise themselves off this withdrawal. Mobilization will be easier...
2)Shii movements in the region might get higher and some Shiis might start to call others to stand up and fight... leading the shiis in the saudi arabia to be separated from saudi arabia...
3)Wahhabis in the saudi arabia will try to wahhabize the iraq...
4)Taliban will easily use the black market in the iraq via drugs or other staff... so heroin will be easy to find people will be poisoned easily et cetera...

My personal view on the matter on a bigger scale... is that Al qaeda or the similar organizations achieve the desired effect... and get nuclear arms to fight back.... and bring this order into an end... why? because the worlds richest three persons wealth is equal to the gdp of worlds poorest 48 countries... and one more thing... damn law is there to protect the riches of those privilidged.... anyway last part was kinda irrelevant though..

nice to be back... luv this place no matter how they see me...

Only one reason sir, oil....

that is the most known one how could i kinda not remember? yet they already have oil for security agreements all across the region so... i dont consider it is done for oil at least not significantly...

[Rat Faced]

Socialism is in financial straits wherever it is currently practiced

Main "Socialist" Country is China (although I can't think of many less social places..).

The Chinese economy grew a whopping 9.9% in the first three quarters of 2008..

Portugal is also Socialist, and has been hit less hard than most of Europe in the current downturn. Although it started off at a disadvantage, it was a couple of years ahead of clearing all of its international debt too.

[Rat Faced]

Hooray! I say. Now the rest of you clever clogs can explain the impact of this. Proceed.

Truthfully?

Civil War within 3 years in Iraq.

Edit:

Qualifier: Unless someone takes control of the Country that is as big a bastard as Saddam was.

[Rat Faced]

Well, the staunch work of the troops from several nations has made that part of the world a better place to live for it's inhabitants.The recent election results confirm the natives approval.

What I don't understand is giving a specified date for extraction (Aug. 31, 2010.). Now the remaining terrorists simply know they need to lay low for the remaining 18+/- months until we're gone.

Lets wait for the report from your State Department next week huh?

It's expected to show a 30% in terrorist attacks worldwide in 2006 to more than 14,000..

Considering the number was a 423 high in 2000, 346 in 2001 and 199 in 2002, there must be something that happened to create such a "surge" in the last few years..

[j2k4]

And "socialism" gave the tracks that trains run on, the air traffic controllers who direct the planes and the interstate highways for the cars.
All funded and maintained by the government.

None of that is true.

Now, if you had said, 'funded by the American taxpayer', or 'built by private contractors' it would have been closer to the truth, but Socialism has had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

And Ike was a Republican, wtf.

[clocker]

You'll note that I had socialism in quotation marks.
Unlike you, who seems to think that Obama is actually a Socialist.

[j2k4]

You'll note that I had socialism in quotation marks.
Unlike you, who seems to think that Obama is actually a Socialist.

Okay - have it your way.

Obama is a "Socialist".