Pros and Cons of Usenet

[SonsOfLiberty]

why thanks for the insight.. iv got plenty of experience here also

over any site and the content movie wise will, well smoke whatever your thinking.

sure thing matey

I can get exactly the same stuff from p2p and trusted sources....so it's maybe you who's not looking hard enuff

i dont need to look hard, usenet is easy to find everything im looking for .. and i didnt say "YOU" couldnt find what "YOU" were looking for..

Don't believe me

its not a matter of me believing you, its a matter of me not agreeing with that your saying.

use Google Maybe you should use something else besides Ares?

i worked for google contracting for a while so im pretty sure i can use it just fine

Well then why be such a smartass about it then? I've been using emule for as long as it's been around, and millions and millions obviously think it's good to

I use usenet for all the new hot files, that way I don't have to worry about my ISP contacting me, but for almost everything else is P2P.

Oh, ok, think about this for a second, on eMule, files are shared for as long as the file keeps hoping from user to user, as with Usenet, it's only available for 365 days, unless someone reposts...for longevity and rare/old movies P2P is SO much better, but for quick downloads on newer stuff, Usenet is the way to go. But if you want quality rips (AFR) and the like , eMule is the way to go.

[hugoblank]

So much for a "friendly" discussion!

I hope you don't think I'm a smartass just because I don't agree with you.

I've been using emule for as long as it's been around, and millions and millions obviously think it's good to

To me this could be considered a CON not a PRO. C'mon now, your making it too easy for me to comment on this point. That's not fair. I won't even go there. Sorry, I could never use that argument

I use usenet for all the new hot files, that way I don't have to worry about my ISP contacting me, but for almost everything else is P2P.

I don't understand why your ISP would contact you. Can you d/l as much as you want from usenet? If you can't that might explain your affection for P2P.

for longevity and rare/old movies P2P is SO much better

Couldn't disagree with you more. Almost all my usenet activity is with movies. Maybe what you consider rare/old movies is different from me. For me DVD's from the Criterion Collection might be considered classic/old movies. I'm d/l a 1964 Japanese classic film (Criterion)that I requested just 2 days ago from a newsgroup that just posts CC movies. Now to me thats service!

But if you want quality rips (AFR) and the like , eMule is the way to go.

To me a "quality rip" is an oxymoron but then again I don't know what you mean by AFR. Especially today there's no reason for me to not go for a full DVD5/9 only.

To me, the fact that you said you're worried about being contacted by your ISP when you're using usenet explains everything.

Regards,
Hugo

[zot]

To me a "quality rip" is an oxymoron but then again I don't know what you mean by AFR.

AFR stands for Advanced Filesize Regulation, which is a recent DVD-rip standard that relaxes the traditional 700MB file size standard, so you can burn several of these AFR files onto a DVD-R without having empty space left over. I don't think AFR is used outside of the hardcore ED2K community.

I just realized that this month marks my eight-year anniversary since I began using edonkey.
(But since SR, SC, PD101/DD and SL shut down, I've largely dropped out of the ed2k 'scene')


When Bittorrent started getting popular, I rarely used it, since I could use newsgroups for big files (and fast downloads) and recent and popular material, and I used ED2K for all the rest. Over the past 4 or 5 years, ED2K has declined, while Bittorrent and usenet have grown tremendously in both popularity and available material. And then "one-click" file hosting sites like Rapidshare have literally exploded.

As far as releasing files go, I somehow always seemed to feel safer releasing files on ED2K than posting them on usenet. When releasing on ed2k, it's easy to just share the file for a day or so, then unshare it and move on to something else. With Usenet, though, I was always aware that I was identifiable from the article header info, which remained for as long as the file was available. With ed2k releases, it was very easy to disappear into the crowd (and then out of the crowd), making it difficult for any possible investigator to figure out who the original releaser actually was.

Another thing is that some for-pay NSPs (warning to all Highwinds users!) mark every post of an account with a unique code, making it possible for anyone to trace all your posts (and find every post you ever made) regardless of how many times you changed your details such as name, email, or IP address.

[hugoblank]

Thanks Zot for the info about AFR.

I think you make a good point about the "flexibility" a P2P poster has and the more permanent nature of usenet postings and security. I think (hope) that usenet is not under as much scrutiny as P2P is right now.

I think that originally P2P was targeted at a mass market of folks that either thought that usenet was too complicated or were new to the whole thing. And since that time P2P operators have tried to be more discriminating, i.e. private sites, etc. I think that this change is related to security issues more than it has to do with sharing ratios and leeching concerns.

Ironically. a few posts before this one, someone was boasting about the the millions and millions of ED2K users. It seems to me that it would be easier and more fruitful to "go after" the millions and millions of those folks, than to bother with the thousands and thousands of others.

For me, outside of what I see as the pro's of usenet, I think there is an advantage to not being apart of the millions and millions who sign up for the "simple, anyone can do it" plan.

IRC and Usenet have been around for a really long time and I think there's a reason for that. Kazaa, and other P2P's haven't survived long at all and, there's a reason for that too.

Regards,

Hugo

[Sonnentier]

@hugoblank

It's not like eDonkey doesn't have classic movies, there's plenty of japanese CC content available.

[hugoblank]

@hugoblank

It's not like eDonkey doesn't have classic movies, there's plenty of japanese CC content available.

I'll check my post again but I don't think I said or implied that. I thought I was just giving an example. Maybe you got a little rattled and read "in between the lines". That's OK, it happens.

I'm really not trying to take away your donkey. I'm sure there lots and lots and lots of "quality rips" on Edonkey. I'm sure it has everything YOU could ever want. Why else would you be so quick to defend it. I'm happy for you. You're one of the millions and millions of folks that just love your donkey.

Believe me, what you don't get is I really, really want YOU to continue to like your donkey so much that you never feel the need to roam. Trust me, I don't think YOU would like usenet. Its kind of complicated and definetly overated! Stick with eDonkey, its better.

Regards,
Hugo

[SonsOfLiberty]

I use eMule and Usenet, the ed2k base has more of a community, it needs that. As with usenet it's just a server that at anytime can be shut down, why do think ISP's dropped their "newsservice" well most anyway not all. I'm not defending it, it's another alternative, and yes ed2k users are as much watched as torrent users. This is why usenet is still under the radar, which is why if you decide to download lets say "Watchmen" you would be a major target. As with usenet, only you and you news provider know. So if usenet went the way of Napster and was shutdown, then P2P will still be here..as long as I/You/Community share the file it will be around for along time. As for movies I'm saying this....fileheaven.org has archive more than 250,000+ movies from any year and ever genre. Most of those movies you can't find on usenet, noir even buy them. There are tons and tons of ed2k sites out there and they all have great content, and so does usenet. I'm on a shared connection and as I'm not putting the bill I've been in the ed2k community for almost 10 years, so maybe that's why I'm biased, but if usenet wasn't a pay for service it would be the only thing I use, as I was saying about retention, certain games I wanted that were more than 2 years old I couldn't find on usenet, they were well seeded on torrent and ed2k. I'm sure every user runs into that. Like I say I roam, depending on what network the file is on that I want. I see more pressure be applied to usenet in the coming years more than ed2k, because ed2k is now serverless (Kademlia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kad_Network

But if your saying that I'm a P2P nut job I'm not, I use all forms of Filesharing, torrent the lest, emule next, and then usenet. I guess my whole point, ed2k sites have a tight knit community, requests, good shares, rare movies, but then again, I've been at the site since it' been open, 2001 or something. I like usenet, but it's only so long till it's starts getting heat.

[QUOTE=zot;3166344]

I just realized that this month marks my eight-year anniversary since I began using edonkey.
(But since SR, SC, PD101/DD and SL shut down, I've largely dropped out of the ed2k 'scene')

No snap, former ShareLive, and Pleasuredome101, ok and DrunkenDonkey, wow...that's the early days I tried starting SL back up again, the website is open source, and I never could get it to run, so I left it, but I've began trying again, doubt I'll get far

And speaking of Usenet heat, BREiN is going after NZB sites, uh oh
http://www.slyck.com/story1840_BREIN...inst_NZB_Sites

[hugoblank]

But if your saying that I'm a P2P nut job I'm not, I use all forms of Filesharing, torrent the lest, emule next, and then usenet. I guess my whole point, ed2k sites have a tight knit community, requests, good shares, rare movies, but then again, I've been at the site since it' been open, 2001 or something. I like usenet, but it's only so long till it's starts getting heat.

I don't think you're a nut job at all. From what you're saying you have experience with a lot of different sources. So to me you have a perspective on things. Its the dopey kid that has never used anything but torrents but runs to defend his toy that is comical.

And speaking of Usenet heat, BREiN is going after NZB sites, uh oh
http://www.slyck.com/story1840_BREIN...inst_NZB_Sites

This is a good article. "But there's little denying that once the newsgroups have you hooked, all other methods of file-sharing seem a bit juvenile."...."There’s the news server at the heart of the newsgroup community, and with the ISP safe harbor provision protecting these entities, the newsgroups will be around long after their P2P contemporaries have vanished."

I've never understood why the Dutch are so in to the scene. You can't go anywhere on usenet and not find FTD or nl somewhere. It figures that their own government is looking into it.

I still think that the more popular the file-sharing spot the more vulnerable. Let's just hope that we all stay under the radar.

Regards,

Hugo

[Sonnentier]

Staying under the radar is relative. It's a long time ago when Usenet really was a secret.

When I was in France on vacation last year, I already saw it in the press:



There also has been a lawsuit from the music industry against usenet.com.
Now this wasn't about the newsgroups per se, but obviously public awareness about this method increases.

On FST, viewers in Newsgroups seem to catch up those in BitTorrent.

[CarpeNoctem]

Well then why be such a smartass about it then?

whoops sorry, didn't know having an opinion other than yours makes me a smart ass, i'll think twice about having opinion next time