BREIN Plans to Move against NZB Sites

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It means nothing.

Remove all the NZB sites (will never happen) and what do you have?
You still have Usenet, lol.

Um, yes it does, because once they do that, then ultimately they will move to the ISP/News Servers...don't give us that tired crap, Newsgroups are on the "radar" if you don't think so, then you are very, very naive

Your statement is so misguided I could write an entire essay on pointing out it's wrongness.

Usenet is not some P2P program. It's not torrents or ed2k.
Usenet is not some upstart thing that is just making it's way to the surface.

In form, function, and legality it is the same the "web" and the providers as your ISP. For all intents and purposes Usenet is the original internet that just never died. Do you think someone is going to shut down the internet because it's possible to Google copyrighted material on the internet, lol?


What your ENTIRE post about is NZB sites.
Are they nice? Sure!
Are they needed? Fuck no. Remove the NZB sites and all you do is make is harder, if not impossible, for the droves of noobs that don't know what they are doing to download files.

NZBs are God's gift to the idiotic masses that dumbed things down enough to make Usenet so easy to use that a brain dead chimp could do it.

Remove every NZB site, all that would be accomplished is... well, nothing.
The content is still there. If you have even a basic understanding of Usenet it isn't even that much harder to find.

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Um, yes it does, because once they do that, then ultimately they will move to the ISP/News Servers...don't give us that tired crap, Newsgroups are on the "radar" if you don't think so, then you are very, very naive

Your statement is so misguided I could write an entire essay on pointing out it's wrongness.

Usenet is not some P2P program. It's not torrents or ed2k.
Usenet is not some upstart thing that is just making it's way to the surface.

In form, function, and legality it is the same the "web" and the providers as your ISP. For all intents and purposes Usenet is the original internet that just never died. Do you think someone is going to shut down the internet because it's possible to Google copyrighted material on the internet, lol?


What your ENTIRE post about is NZB sites.
Are they nice? Sure!
Are they needed? Fuck no. Remove the NZB sites and all you do is make is harder, if not impossible, for the droves of noobs that don't know what they are doing to download files.

NZBs are God's gift to the idiotic masses that dumbed things down enough to make Usenet so easy to use that a brain dead chimp could do it.

Remove every NZB site, all that would be accomplished is... well, nothing.
The content is still there. If you have even a basic understanding of Usenet it isn't even that much harder to find.

You said too much. I have to kill you now.

#1 Rule: don't talk about Usenet, #2 rule: Usenet doesn't exist.

Let them be ignorant and believe what they want. It will keep us out of sight and filter out the unwanted.

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So, you do not think Astraweb or Giganews, or any of the ISP still giving access to usenet are not fealing pressure from and anti-piracy organization? That's ludacris if no one thinks it's been monitored in some form of another...I love my NG access, but it will get pressure eventually.

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No they are not.
They are not selling newsgroups any more than than Timewarner is selling websites.

They are simply selling access to a service.

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I think people don't understand how Usenet is setup. Usenet is basically like the internet, a bunch of servers connected together. Giganews gives access to all other servers that are connected to Usenet. The only pressure Giganews gets is when a user uploads copyright stuff to their servers and that's when they take it down. However, they can't control another server within Usenet.

EDIT: Usenet servers come under "common carrier" laws and regulations, like the phone company. The telcos cannot be sued for what they carry (example: like a bomb threat), or satellite companies (example: Playboy or Howard Stern) as they come under "common carrier" laws. In fact, they are required to carry any and all paid traffic.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Well I remember that they can, remember most places/ISP's dropped newsgroups/news because of the threat of kiddie porn.

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They drop Usenet because they are expensive in both time and money to upkeep and have a relatively small user base.
A good number of ISP still offer Usenet but outsource it to carriers like giganews, because of those reasons.

Those that drop it altogther see few complaints because only a small group of people use them.

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Well I remember that they can, remember most places/ISP's dropped newsgroups/news because of the threat of kiddie porn.

Most ISPs didn't carry those sort of groups.
In fact the majority didn't carry even the warez or mp3 groups.

[SonsOfLiberty]

The don't carry alt.binaries or they are dropping them.

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The don't carry alt.binaries or they are dropping them.

With Usenet every provider is responsible for carrying their own, complete copy of Usenet for their users on their own servers.
These providers mirror the messages, be it binary or text groups, from every other provider.

Because Usenet is somewhat orderly, in where people post things.
A provider can easily exclude groups like alt.binaries from the copy of Usenet they provide, and just carry the groups that are dedicated to text.

ISPs are dropping or outsourcing Usenet not because of legal reasons, but the expense associated with them.
As for them dropping Usenet because of kiddie porn, that's BS... link.
It's all about their bottom line.