Should The Un Get Involved

[Illuminati]

I agree with Rat Faced here - The people of Iraq must be helped to rebuild their country, but I don't really see the assurance that UN supplies would make their way to Iraq. My honest opinion is that if the UN must get involved, the "alliance" must give full control of the situation (not just parts of it) to the UN with no questions and no quarrels.

As for questioning the role of the UN - The UN is there to aid diplomacy between nations, co-ordinate international help where needed and to prevent unnecessary conflict; not to be the US's lap dog to do whatever the US says. That's Blair's job anyway

[junkyardking]

I knew this would happen, Australia in it's wisdom of kissing arse deployed 2 thousand defence personal from support to SAS soldiers for the Iraq war which made us technicaly a larger contributator than Spain, but of course Australia gets eaisly forgoten if it was mentioned in the first place.

As for the UN they should only get involved if the US cedes power in Iraq which is hardly likley, the coalition made there bed now they have to lie in it. B)

[hobbes]

Originally posted by bigboab@24 September 2003 - 01:05
Yes I agree I hope they all return. I think if they had to go in(And I dont), it should have been swift, without any warning. Instead the Iraqis were given time to prepare for the type of warfare that is now taking place. Not one country in the world has beaten this type of warfare. Remember all this when the elections come along.

Isn't it amazing that we haven't learned this yet, holy steaming feces. I think Mogadishu should have been the extreme lesson. Ambush, retreat, circle around behind, later, rinse repeat.

I think the grand miscalculation was expecting the freed people of Iraq to embrace us and expecting Iraqi exiles to be welcomed.

I am not sure how terribly wrong we were, but without capturing Saddam and all his men, his spectre is still very powerful in the minds of the Iraqi citizens.

If the US left today, I am sure Saddam whould come out of his bunker and assume control again.


Suddenly people seem to see the UN as a shining beacon of equality and goodwill, with a proven record of excellence. Remind me of what they have accomplished? They spent how many years trying to get satisfactory weapons inspections and now we want them to act unfettered to rebuild the nation. I personally wouldn't let the UN change my shoes.

[ilw]

I'm with Hobbes at least partially on this one, the UN is basically useless as a peace keeping force, and splitting military control too much while Iraq is in such a shambles is a recipe for disaster. I have no problem with ceding certain aspects of control in Iraq to the UN e.g. the setting up of the government and ideally the rebuilding of Iraq. However, I severely doubt that the coalition are going to give up all their lucrative contracts when its the only way they can recoup any of their money, so maybe it would be more realistic to offer some contracts on an open market through the UN and the others be split between the coalition nations.
As for financial aid from the UN, I think it will come eventually. France and Germany are both teetering on recession and will be under pressure from their respective populations not to help out the coalition too much, so it might not be a great deal, but they will want to be seen to be helping.

Edit: Realised i didnt' really answer the question, should the UN help out? Yes they should, although it sets a bad precedent where the UN is going to help out countries that defy them, not providing aid wouldn't really be punishing the UK and US, only the Iraqi citizens.

[james_bond_rulez]

I am glad ppl with senses talking here

US and UK went against UN's advice and attacked Iraq without an UN resolution. That right there is illegal in itself, I am so sick and tired of the US bullshit to "free Iraqi ppl", "take down the oppressive regium", "fight global terriosm", "weapon of mass destruction". what a load of crap when in fact US is fighting for its own interests, getting rid of gov'ns that aren't in bed with the US, robbing Iraqi oil, and they expect us to support them? hell NO

I think US and UK should just be a man and suck it up eh? all this mess they made in Iraq (and not to mention all the innocent ppl they "accidentally" killed) and they still want money and troops from the UN.

I am totally disgusted.

*spits on ground*

[james_bond_rulez]

oh yes I was getting high I forgot to say my position on the issue

No UN support until US and UK give up control over Iraq

AND I think there should be financial compensation from the US to help them rebuild Iraq eh? after all they did destroy their country. and none of that rebuild contract to US firms eh? that is just a load of crap.

US expects to make money out of a war torn country?

*spits on ground*