Freedom In The Usa

[bigboab]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@27 September 2003 - 20:27
Fuck the Bill of Rights.

All I know is I still would not want to be in any other Countrie then where I am now.

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I haven't laughed so many since I was a children at grammar school.

[titey]

Originally posted by bigboab@27 September 2003 - 14:32
My turn for being ignorant.

Oh.... are we taking turns now?

• How congenial!

[bigboab]

Originally posted by titey+27 September 2003 - 20:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey &#064; 27 September 2003 - 20:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@27 September 2003 - 14:32
My turn for being ignorant.

Oh.... are we taking turns now?

• How congenial&#33;

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I think in my case Titey it is congenital.

[nikita69]

razorsharp013, my observation/opinion is NO, the Bill of Rights has been and will continue to be tested to how far can they go from eliminating as much as they can (American Law Makers). but, i&#39;ll leave it to everyone to post their cast and for the one&#39;s who do not live in the US, u can still cast "(Non US person)". Also, the intention of this post is by no means to compare it to other countries, just in the USA.

[razorsharp013]

Originally posted by nikita69@27 September 2003 - 15:45
razorsharp013, my observation/opinion is NO, the Bill of Rights has been and will continue to be tested to how far can they go from eliminating as much as they can (American Law Makers). but, i&#39;ll leave it to everyone to post their cast and for the one&#39;s who do not live in the US, u can still cast "(Non US person)". Also, the intention of this post is by no means to compare it to other countries, just in the USA.

Well said Nikita. Though in my paranoid mind I fear our own government&#39;s - seemingly almost disdain for our constitutional rights, (as flawed as they may sometimes now be), runs even deeper than that.
I now stand aside for others.

[nikita69]

wow, only 16 voted&#33;

[razorsharp013]

Kind of sad isn&#39;t it?

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by razorsharp013@28 September 2003 - 02:35
Kind of sad isn&#39;t it?

more like kind of 2 30 in the morning on this side of the pond not a lot of peeps up, and fewer sober ones. However I would have figured more of the folks from your side would have had an opinion, maybe that is where one of the problems lies, but that is another arguement for another time.

[nikita69]

well, maybe this will help.
The American way of life is based on fairness, justice and liberty for all. All of these virtues are at risk, not just from killers who would massacre innocent civilians, but from the federal government&#39;s rush to place security before liberty. In a world in which the president can simply sign orders creating military tribunals which bypass all constitutional and legal protections, the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are on trial.

[razorsharp013]

Anyone interested in the US governments rape of our civil liberties should read the following:

Bill of Rights Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

US Patriot Act Revision 203: Amends Foriegn Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) by eliminating the need for the FBI to show "probable cause" before conducting secret searches or surveillance to obtain evidence of a crime.

US Patriot Act Revision 213: Authority for delaying notice of the execution of a warrant (AKA "sneak and peak"): Permits the government to search your home with no one present and to delay notification indefinitely. Court may authorize delayed notification "if cthe court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification...may have adverse result.

US Patriot Act Revision 411: Definitions relating to terrorism: Allows Secretary of State to designate ANY foreign OR domestic group that has engaged in a violent activity a "terrorist organization."

Amendment V: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

US Patriot Act Revision: President Bush&#39;s Order Designating "Enemy Combatant": Allows commitee of attorney general, defense secretary, and CIA director to label citizens and noncitizens as "enemy combatants", placing them in military custody, holding them indefinitley, interrogating them, and denying themcommunication with outsiders or judicial review.

Those were just 3 small examples of what the ironicly named Patriot Act has done to the basic freedoms and liberties that this country was fouded upon.

For more info on this, go here:

USPA
and www.infowars.com

And remember dissent is patriotic.